"you're VP of product at Facebook you're director at eBay and PayPal you're on the board of into it you've been the CEO of ancestry now for the past three and a half years this a career path that a lot..."

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"grows strong and and you know tall over many generations and I think sometimes we think oh yeah you know I wish I lived a term life and that is not what we want you want to have enough adversity that ..."

"right this is a my dream job I actually I decided I was going to turn the job I had and the job I wanted and that's a choice right I could have said you know what I can't have that job I could go do s..."

"an area I wanted to spend some time on which is building zero to one stuff within a larger company so from what I can tell you built two billion dooll businesses within a large company Facebook Market..."

"direct response is a vast majority of the ads U revenue for the company but one thing that it was really interesting is that I just you know I really saw my opportunity in Facebook to be somebody that..."

"ads on the platform were brand and we were not even on the ads team so we actually worked on this team called the platform team and we said okay we'll build an ads product for the Facebook feed the ne..."

"know of of building something new is the iteration process it's the failing a lot we actually tested fif like five or six versions of the ads product before we got got it to take off and it took month..."

"don't look at us too carefully uh we don't want to be in the Limelight don't put too many resources on this yet is it just like hey Mark here's what I think imagine it's not as easy as that there's li..."

"too along those lines do you think it's a good career move to do a zero to one thing within a bigger company or is it often a bad idea do you have any advice there for folks it depends it depends on y..."

"doesn't work you can always go back and go back to the core products it's interesting how your strategy here is very similar to a product portfolio strategy where as a team you should have a few big b..."

"so I ended up at PayPal it's working for a guy named Dave Lee who reported to Amy Clement and then you know he left and so she offered me his role I had only managed people for like I don't know 15 se..."

"for you know six months and so I handed my my product to my successor Mike wo and he ended up taking over and he did such a good job I was gone I didn't want to displace him when I got back so I thoug..."

"resigned I said I'm leaving Tech just I'm going to stay home and and maybe start something small and uh he convinced me to hold off and he said I'll find you a job he calls me a week later and he said..."

"came along was organic but also kind of accidental and I see that happen in a lot of careers which is my my story when you look back looks great right it looks like it all worked out but I had almost ..."

"better career and so I do encourage everybody to do this and to think about what does success look like in five years and how far am I from that and am I heading in the right direction what's interest..."

"get there I always tell people you know if you if you aren't sure what your destination is that's definitely where you're going to end up but if you actually aim in the right direction you can shape y..."

"Retreat once and when you're meditating there's this uh kind of guidance of don't try too hard don't don't like push yourself to go into a direction don't like oh this I'm not doing a good job I need ..."

"path and to know that that's her dream and that I could help her a little bit along the way and it also relates very much to your idea of thinking of your career like like a PM thinks about their prod..."

"introverts and how hard it is to be successful as an introvert and that basically you have to learn to be an extrovert as an introvert because in business extroverts are uh most valued can you just ta..."

"business like what you need to change well first I love the book quiet by Susan Kane she talks about the power of introverts unfortunately the world doesn't see the way the world the way she does and ..."

"asked her once I said you know like I notice that you never answer questions when we do these presentations she's said yeah because I'm a processor you know and by the time I processed I feel like you..."

"that fair absolutely not there are a lot of people who are born introverted is it fair that a product manager who isn't EXT in introverted is an extrovert is struggling with that no but that's the wor..."

"everyone can do their best in the post you also talk about like as much as we want to change the way people run their companies and think I love your advice of like you also still have to learn how to..."

"this a lot where people say well you know you wouldn't understand I'm an introvert and I'm like so so was I and but instead I just said okay this is a necessary skill and it's a learnable skill you do..."

"and suddenly she was like oh yeah I never thought about it that way but I think often if you frame it one way it looks like self-promotion I wouldn't want to do that because of self-promotion but at t..."

"and I wish that more product managers feel comfortable that they have something to give to the world I think what you're saying right now will resonate with a lot of people when they see people postin..."

"you you can just hand them and he has a great blog if you haven't read it I just want thinking that is a weird thing for your new manager to say after you had a lot of conflict together before that bu..."

"and I think part of it was just seeing her just put it out there because she is one of the wisest career coaches that I have and managers that I have ever worked with and say like you have so much to ..."

"show notes we'll link to your sub as well please do go subst I want to move in a slightly different direction talk about growth for a little bit you have a really nice perspective on how to think abou..."

"overthink it instead you probably have a hundred ideas and by the way it is absolutely okay if like 80% of them don't work I tell people like sometimes we we overthink as product managers right if we ..."

"to be a top down I treat growth like like let's say a product marketing team right it is an augmentation for a product that works so if you have a core product that works you have a team that's workin..."

"about and this is like completely unrelated to everything we've been talking about mostly which is your 30 60 90day plan so you wrote this post a while ago just like here's a great 30 60 90day plan wh..."

"did a listening tour listen to you know I talked to over 60 people in 30 days and then I summarized you know a state of the union here's what I'm hearing here are the challenges people feel like we're..."

"know mistake or I don't you know I didn't get a chance I'm asking something of somebody but I've never met them and to really you know carve out space because it's really important once you're in it y..."

"a team you know when you enter an organization you're also entering a team and you're part you know you're part of a dance that's going around what role do you play and people are dancing around you a..."

"I tell um I go to speak in a lot of um universities so I speak at Stanford I'm going to speak at Duke and I always tell people especially young people the most important career decision you make is wh..."

"long term it's such a good uh Circle back to one of your first pieces of advice of just most successful people are people that are resilient and don't avoid failure but embrace it and find a way to tu..."

"time towards that I I had similar challenges where I had this pretty real imposter syndrome for a while when I got when I started doing well and a coach is the key was the key for me to help me get ov..."

"piece of advice say they are like oh man I need a coach you have any advice for how to find a coach how to explore that route yes so I actually wrote an article because one of the things I I struggle ..."

"important I'm Le I'm listening to this book are reading a book called listen right now that a previous guest recommended it's a parenting book and it's about just the power of listening and how much t..."

"the book because you know I do have introverted kids I myself am introverted and just to read you know the power of introverts as a reminder that we do have amazing people who don't communicate the sa..."

"so much power even in in silence uh the first book you mentioned Jeffrey feffer he's been on the podcast I think he may have mentioned you in our conversation or I love Professor feffer that was such ..."

"the game it was even better I you know so that is was that super nerdy no I I I've I watched Fallout I I don't know anything about the game but the show itself was really fun just I had no idea what I..."

"okay two more questions do you have a favorite life motto that you often think about come back to share with friends or family find useful and worker in life oh that's a good question I would well act..."

"most interesting thing that you have bought or sold on Facebook Marketplace the best thing I ever sold on there was I sold my minivan on it and it in four days I made my husband do it because I wanted..."