"we tend to undervalue the things we're good at we tend to think work has to be unpleasant and so if something is easy and fun we don't tend to think it's valuable so I think lots of people like gravit..."

"professional growth I always like to spend this time reflecting on what I accomplished the previous year what I hope to accomplish the next year and whether this is the year I look for a new opportuni..."

"[Music] today Sam thank you so much for being here and welcome to the podcast thank you happy to be here a really fun fact about you is that apparently you have the very first Google doc uh file I don..."

"yeah if you made the nft of it that would be more more authentic I think than the document almost it's kind of funny that's amazing and it's amazing that it still works that's a testament to I don't k..."

"is this important to you why do you spend a lot of time thinking about this and then just what are some tools you found to help you and other people think more innovatively more originally it's an int..."

"like an impatient person I'm a creative person I'm a messy person like I just like to create and and explore and find stuff so like disruptive innovation is just seems Seems natural to me but I think ..."

"disruptive technology that's an awesome framework basically if it feels like people sort of like Get Some People mostly people don't care some very few people love it or hate it probably not disruptiv..."

"wrong Tesla is a great example SpaceX is a great example where people are like that doesn't make any sense you know and elon's like well what if you could land rockets and reuse them and they get real..."

"basically question every assumption that stands in the way of making this possible so I think elon's a great like the classic example like you can't talk about first principes thinking without quoting..."

"that equation over my career I wish I had been more open-minded and more more optimistic and more willing to try things and more more focused on Poss possibilities rather than problems and so I'm just..."

"you know going back to this idea of like all the all the um the good ideas look bad at first right so that's okay so that's a that's a first principle like that's a sort of fundamental thing of you're..."

"to like get it on its feet and see how it feels it's like kind of a form of optimism right like you know if you're super pessimistic be like ah even that's not worth it like two days is a waste of tim..."

"completely wrong when you actually try it out and you have this quote I think in one of your newsletter posts talking about building Google Docs you describe it as just around yeah kind of get to the ..."

"this like oh it's not working but why isn't it working well that's kind of interesting like with brok here we've done stuff like that and some of the things the projects I've got going in Microsoft um..."

"wasn't really a lot of business to be built and then things kind of entered winter time is there anything you've learned that gives you a signal that let's keep working I'm going to stay optimistic ab..."

"yeah so I think the lesson there is truly understand if the value is real versus like the sounds really cool or you think a lot of like would you want it I think as a nice exercise there we pick on po..."

"the end user at all and like if there's one thing I've learned about product you know particularly in the consumer space just kind of in general is like people are just lazy about stuff and like don't..."

"what I think of as you're describing this is uh Exel Microsoft Excel had a billion toolbars and buttons and options which allowed Google Docs essentially to come in with a much simpler experience now ..."

"being Google like you know so like they survived it like you know they survived they did a good job surviving the challenge like it's you know um we have all the users now but they have all the money ..."

"you know useful app so it's a I think it's a good little counter example of like that optimistic pessimistic perspective we were talking about like you we could easily have missed that idea easily hav..."

"just not seeing opportunities there's a lot of hard work for sure there's a lot of stuff that you can read about and best practices of doing iteration and user testing and user interviews and really l..."

"still like a creating stuff at the bottom of this linear artifact but the next step that we're working on now is just making that Dynamic where you just like come to something and you talk to it and i..."

"remember it for me and bring it back later and you know all that stuff so that was a long digression but I would just like you know you're kind of asking about features and functionality and I feel li..."

"bare metal in the Dom and there were bugs like when I went to Google like I had to write this um little Network stack at the bottom of of the JavaScript that like in in theory XML HTP you could interr..."

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"engineer you just want to work on interesting things and work on the technology before you find a problem that it's solving it feels like with this example it was you just think this is a cool technol..."

"it's kind of interesting too because like that system already it's produced a bunch of good insights one of them is it's kind of complicated and hard to debug it it's this asynchronous system of stoch..."

"it's just like what the worst thing that can happen even the early days of rightly like the very I mean we had a goal from the beginning the beginning was like can I write a word processor in the brow..."

"perspective sometimes so Sam the renaissance man of all languages add more like it but yeah mention of things I wanted to follow this thread a little further around being good at these what if questio..."

"didn't do extracurricular I was just like a weird nerd at you know having to be good at math and so I think there's that as well like if you're highly curated where you've spent a lot of your life thi..."

"much less of an ability and willingness and skill set about around experimenting to the point of failure like making making fool of yourself like having bad ideas I send like stupid emails to sachcha ..."

"good skill to have like I it's it's a saying I took on this year and I really really like it as my I never had a personal motto before I think it might be my personal motto like virtue from airor amaz..."

"I I feel like I always tell people like I think I mean I I I I pitch this because I've observed myself and thought about like what has been successful in my career it's not it's not a thing everybody ..."

"this but it's super cool anyways right like I think that's the that's the career thing that makes sense to me at least that's what I've done you know who knows like it's all luck sometimes so it's har..."

"often have to make compromises but I still think it's worth paying attention to right when you're working like what makes you happy what is the stuff that you feel guilty for getting away with what li..."

"just going to do the best I can at being a waitress at this place I'm just going to do the best at greeting people entering the Apple Store absolutely yeah I think that's absolutely right like I I thi..."

"I think both of those are are really are really true like I so I'm like what I'm working on is I most of the industry right now is focused on when you talk about somebody who's working in AI it's some..."

"on it hard being hard to distribute information 25 years ago but like you can see this already with things like just images right like you know two years ago if you wanted a piece of digital art you h..."

"spend a lot of time talking to that agent like it's like you know what would you do if you imagine you're like the richest person in the world you've got a hundred of the best people working for you a..."

"new game like fill in start coloring in the blanks right like you know let's go so like I that's that's where I I think we're going and you know that sounded really certain it's probably sounded more ..."

"track of all the stuff that's happening um it's kind of interesting because like I remember going just to pick on just to kick crypto's corpse one last time like there was some tweet like at the begin..."

"you know it's not there's no magic single bullet to learning this stuff you just have to run it's like it's like how how do I run this Sprint without getting out of breath like you don't like you're g..."

"it's like there's you know that that doesn't happen by accident either no drama there by the way I would know anything there I hear it's calm from it as possible honestly most under the radar startup ..."

"exciting lightning round are you ready I probably not great answer Sam what are two or three books that you've recommended most to other people I like weird book like I like there's this book called I..."

"the other one I I recommend to people with some caution is this very intense and disturbing book called The Wasp Factory by in Banks which is um probably the creepiest and hardest book I've ever read ..."

"don't know I I have like absolute junk food taste when it comes to yeah love creepy creepy monsters and bugs yeah I love it science shooty science things that blow up a lot I'm I'm not very deep uh by..."

"do you like fall over and what was the question again just how many zeros are at the end of 100 factorial in in decimal WR and then why did it get banned I think it got known and like you know somewhe..."

"the most right now next question do you have a favorite life motto that you often repeat to yourself find useful share with friends or family either in work or in life virtue from error yeah I think t..."

"called balone which was a like a Artisan salumi thing in the ferry building and so he'd make blood sausage and stuff so there was this wonderful insane Chef back in the day when Google had like really..."