"Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. I am super excited because friend of the pod who gosh, I don't know when the last time we did a pod was a couple years ago. Couple years ago. Yeah. Bali Shrina..."

"building? So network school is the first node of a network society uh where it serves several purposes. Um but you know the United States was started actually not just with the Massachusetts Bay Colon..."

"I think about it is this is the third type of thing. internet company internet currency, and now internet community. If you go to like ns.com that's you can see what we're doing. If you go to NS prett..."

"suddenly you actually solve a lot of problems. you actually you reinvigorate democracy because when people vote with their feet and move to a location now look at for example Starbase right Starbase T..."

"you have a lot of alignment in the community right? And that aspect of the frontier and the physical world obviously that built America, right? A big part of what built America is you had all these pe..."

"world. Nobody has control of any territory forever. And so, uh, ideally though,, you, want, to, be able, to, do, that today without any wars, without any conflict, right? How do you do without any con..."

"the the network state network school it's, network, school., This, is the, network school. This is the network school. In the network school, you have these buildings that were built and not being uti..."

"Texas and people move to Texas because there's less regulation. So I understand your motivation and other people's motivation create new societies higher function but the individuals coming like great..."

"So these are people can't or won't don't want to go right they think it's over and so on and so forth but they're they're internet first people right so that's how I'd express our ideology internet fi..."

"of progressive values of, you know equality democracy science media I actually believe in those things just on the recent corrupted versions. Got it. So the people who are coming, their motivation is ..."

"know if we thought about early X or early Twitter it seemed like the silliest thing in the world. Why would anybody want to treat their breakfast but it became really important right and so in the sam..."

"these kinds of people there. Yes. Desperately. Desperately. Right. Because most countries aren't rich countries. Most countries are small countries. In fact most countries have actually less than 10 m..."

"example, there's small things. It's actually it's surprisingly hard to get to San Francisco quality coffee. It's not that hard, but it's like harder than you would think, right? and uh other kinds of ..."

"of agency. Like you guys built a gym. Yes. And you guys are building the schedule and you have speakers. So, you know, I I think it's pretty easy to be cynical when people look at it. And I was watchi..."

"so and so even by the way if you're just co-l livingiving forget even you know there's different stages by the way there's like coal living then you might negotiate a special economic zone and then yo..."

"It's 4xed since the Yeah. 50 to 200. Yes. And the thing is I can show you this graph. Well, those are UN member countries. So they were accepted to the UN but they maybe existed as countries. Well, no..."

"Of lots of smaller citystateish like things that used to exist. That's what the world used to be. It used to be like fragmented like that and it got rolled up into these big things for the purpose of ..."

"the weather or the people or the culture. Yeah. More in a different state or I just want a change of pace. I've lived in three different states and four different major cities in my life and I it's on..."

"consider Austin, what you're doing here what I'm seeing in Dubai, in the Middle East, Abu Dhabi, this kind of like a boom spiral. I think that's right. uh where it's kind of working its way up that th..."

"they're of service to you, which is how it didn't feel for a lot of us in California, New York. And that's when this great migration happened. people felt like, well, why am I buying into this society..."

"Yes. And and actually this is a important paradigm shift because essentially um what is democracy? It's the consent of the government, right? And I mean that's you know like the Protestant Reformation..."

"keep getting. You get a 49% 51% this back and forth and the guys who win by 51% try to govern like they've got a 99% majority and that produces backlash and we've seen that back and forth, right? And ..."

"whether people have that can do to add to they're aligned on the goal. Right? So my view is that the thousand city system as opposed to the two-party system is how you get genuine diversity. And, actu..."

"employment passes and so on and so forth and they're hardwork and they deserve all of that, right? And and they'll do a good job with that, right? You know it's this is my first trip internationally. ..."

"my heart the last three days because people were saying, "What? Why don't you why are you doing this to us? Why can't we come to the country? Why don't you want us to come to America on vacation?" I w..."

"right. And the start of the American Empire was arguably 1939. There's this great book called Tomorrow of the World by Steven Werheim that actually documents that the fall of France was actually the m..."

"because they feel that your people are oppressing people around the world which is sometimes true and the right is mad because they feel that your people are bearing a burden of the rest of the world ..."

"fall very rapidly. I don't know how much 50% 90% 99%. But this is similar to happened, after, the, fall, of the, Soviet Union, the ruble hyperinflated. Now, one thing we're actually in the middle of s..."

"of thinking about it is like normal inflation is supposed to be like 2% a year. That works out to like 02% a month. It's an arbitrary figure. It comes from New Zealand. It should really be 0%. But let..."

"that this order is changing, right? And so then what comes on the other side right? My my view is that the future is China versus the internet. And the heirs to American empire, China has the military..."

"is a very dangerous strategy. It's a very dangerous strategy. It's not this time. Well, it's it's like not it's not even like it's like a you know the thing like a nice strategy cotton. Let's see if i..."

"not true. Well, no, I was going to say the the idea that Americans want to rush in and make iPhones in a factory is like so farical. It's not that iPhones can't be made in America. When you bring this..."

"that they can just get out with some sudden move. Right? You cannot get out of 45 years of de-industrialization with 45% tariffs. There's no overnight fix for this right? Two, maybe, yes, blue America..."

"dangerous place to be. Like, perhaps we're overplaying our hand. And absolutely. How important we are to China, how important we are to India, like how important are we? Do they have other customers? ..."

"Okay. So I was operating a clinical lab at that time and uh there was a global shortage of a specific kind of chemical precursor that was used in various biomedical reactions and the price like skyroc..."

"you have heath recently on a podcast Sean Ryan podcast and he said Chinese hypersonics can sync every US aircraft carrier. Our whole power projection platform is aircraft carriers and the ability to p..."

"Anyway, the point is to the predictability part. All these countries, it's even worse than them just trading with each other. They're all reentering around China because it's a global hub for trade. C..."

"all time. Right. And is it just over now? I mean, do you think it's just over now? It's just over is your position or it's it's ending and people haven't marked it to market. Basically, hard power is ..."

"And the problem is that basically it'll be there'll be the version 3.0 know which which is the V1 is sort of the instinctive conservative reaction Chinese Communist Party and so on and so forth right ..."

"history. Right? Okay. Problem is that on the current path when China wins, right? Meaning like the US has its sovereign debt crisis because all these things on the tariff, what are they're doing? They..."

"union that can balance China. Interesting. Let me ask you just as a total aside. It seems like the Bitcoin game that everybody's buying into was based upon it not being centrally controlled. And now y..."

"well let's just go right at the sale okay so absolutely it is. So, you know, I'm actually also like an adviser to one of these Bitcoin treasury companies like Komoto Holdings just came out. Jack Mulle..."

"in the currency and it just goes like this okay now at that moment see remember 2021 when Trump was not allowed to tweet right after Jan 6 right you and I saw the emergence of social media and in in t..."

"You're not a country if you don't have cryptocurrency or maybe gold right I think physical gold is interesting because it's the complement to crypto. It has different failure modes. States will go wit..."

"I'm not a bitcoin maximalist but they don't understand or they don't want to accept this point that there will be other assets besides digital gold. Right. Of course. Yeah. Because you're you know the..."

"Yes. The main issue with with quantum is not that there isn't a solution on the radar for Bitcoin. Because with quantum decryption, you can also have quantum encryption. Sure. The key question is is q..."

"this journey, but it's clear you struck a nerve and I think that you're doing important work as a backs stop against you know, people being cynical and not thinking that new things can't be tried. So,..."