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Mellody Hobson, president of Ariel Investments, sits down with Ben Horowitz during a16z's 2015 Tech Summit for a wide ranging conversation on investing, the state of markets, and how Hobson began her career in finance. Oh, and Star Wars!
Ben Horowitz introduces Mellody Hobson, highlighting her impressive career as president of Ariel Investments and her roles on various boards, including DreamWorks and Starbucks. He shares anecdotes about her reputation in the industry, emphasizing her expertise and the respect she commands from notable figures like Quincy Jones.
"i am ben horowitz andreessen horowitz and i'd like to thank you all for coming we have a really exciting and thrilling guest tonight Mellody Hobson and I'm going to give a brief introduction since we ..."
Mellody Hobson explains the significance of Ariel Investments' logo, a turtle holding a cup, symbolizing their investment philosophy of patience. She discusses how this approach allows them to navigate market volatility and focus on long-term value, emphasizing the importance of independent thinking and deep expertise in niche areas.
"turtle holding up a cup and I thought that's a quite an interesting logo and how does that reflect the firm's investment philosophy ariel has a turtle as a logo we've had it since our inception 32 yea..."
Mellody shares a case study of Ariel's investment in Madison Square Garden during a challenging time marked by an NBA lockout and renovation issues. She explains how they recognized the long-term potential of the asset despite short-term market fears, leading to a successful investment strategy that capitalized on future opportunities.
"give me an example of like how that might play out on an investment like what's an investment that you've made where the world had turned on it in the short term a simple one that I think works for th..."
Mellody discusses the evolution of mutual fund investment behavior, noting how the average holding period has decreased significantly over the years. She highlights the impact of technology and trading practices on investor behavior, emphasizing the need for patience in a fast-paced financial environment.
"public shareholders how do you so you're a long-term but they're not always there yeah they're not always and they do tend to be prone to panic and you know on Madison Square Garden the NBA lockout ki..."
Mellody reflects on advice she received early in her career about making decisions not based on money. She shares insights from her mentor about valuing time over money and how this philosophy can lead to better career and investment choices, illustrating the importance of aligning decisions with personal and professional values.
"our firm john started a firm when he was 24 years old when 24 year olds didn't start investment firms and go to pension funds and ask for money and he had an unusual way of coming to be just a an obse..."
Mellody explains Ariel's approach to determining the intrinsic value of businesses, focusing on private market value and the importance of buying at a discount. She discusses how this strategy allows them to identify strong investment opportunities, even in challenging market conditions, and the significance of understanding a company's true worth.
"and then is there an application of that to investments themselves as well or is it is it more of a management life philosophy or is it also an investment philosophy like are their investment decision..."
Hobson shares insights on McCormick Spice Company and its unique position in the market. She explains how the company’s performance can be counter-cyclical, thriving even in economic downturns as consumers opt for affordable seasoning options. This segment showcases the strategic thinking behind investing in resilient businesses.
"how he sold that how do you predict that or how would you think about it's hard to predict like really is a you know you're you are in our situation we are literally looking we do scenario analysis if..."
Mellody Hobson recounts her early career and how John, her mentor, identified her potential at a young age. She reflects on the significance of mentorship and how early recognition of talent can shape a successful career path. This segment emphasizes the importance of nurturing talent in the finance industry.
"down and they sold it to rouse which was another one of our companies okay so you said you said two things earlier that I know that a lot of our portfolio CEOs are thinking is extremely interesting on..."
In this segment, Hobson discusses the importance of networking and relationship-building in her career. She shares anecdotes about how she facilitated introductions for her mentor, John, and the creative strategies they employed to connect with influential figures in the industry. This highlights the value of personal connections in business.
"was 17 now I wasn't your typical 17 year old I was very driven very focused for a whole host of reasons and I was a summer intern at Ariel when I was 19 years old when I was 20 John sent me to be an i..."
Hobson reflects on a pivotal moment when John predicted her future success as president of Ariel Investments. She discusses how this vision motivated her and the impact of having a mentor who believes in your potential. This segment underscores the role of mentorship in career development.
"read an article about dick Parsons who was running time savings and loan he was featured in The New York Times Magazine section and he said melody get us in to see dick Parsons so dick Parsons in the ..."
Mellody Hobson shares a challenging experience she faced while leading Ariel Investments and how her mentor guided her through it. She emphasizes the importance of problem-solving and resilience in leadership, illustrating how effective leaders empower their teams to tackle challenges head-on.
"Philadelphia with me yeah so we fly to New York to write the train to Philadelphia we get on the train and Jack Bogle is like you know industry legend you know invented Vanguard and it was a senior th..."
In this final segment, Hobson discusses the culture at Ariel Investments and the importance of employee retention. She explains how the firm values patience and loyalty, attracting individuals who are committed to long-term success. This segment highlights the unique workplace environment that fosters dedication and growth.
"knew to do that but he did Wow and I assume he didn't tell other people they were going to be President so he just needed that for you and there were you know there was one person who had a problem wi..."
Hobson addresses the difficulties of retaining talent in a hyper-competitive environment, particularly in technology. She highlights the importance of finding committed individuals who are willing to invest time in their roles rather than jumping ship at the first opportunity.
"John always says even with CEOs that were looking at where we're investing he said there's nothing worse than the person who is that some people move just in time yeah and we all know those people rig..."
Ben Horowitz and Mellody Hobson discuss the transient nature of technology companies compared to traditional industries. They explore how the rapid pace of change in tech makes it challenging for companies to maintain longevity and stability.
"people take them and I think that more often than that they're gone in two years so it's interesting as I've often thought you know from my glimpses at your world and times that I spend on the group o..."
Hobson shares insights on the risks of going public for tech companies, emphasizing the pressure from public investors for short-term results. She advises waiting as long as possible before going public to ensure long-term strategic planning.
"product cycles are so short sure it's actually that's a good segue into you know one of the big memes that we have in technology is it's a bad idea to go public because public investors are all just t..."
In this segment, Hobson discusses the significance of long-term strategy over short-term gains when engaging with public market investors. She emphasizes the need for companies to focus on sustainable growth rather than immediate financial performance.
"repeated and repeated repeated and so how would how would you advise us on that given your position as a public market investor so on which piece there well on that life we should go public because pu..."
Hobson explains the dynamics of investor relations, particularly how Ariel Investments approaches meetings with management teams. She highlights the importance of discussing long-term strategies and building relationships over time.
"leading up to it with some of the filings you have to do obviously there transparency there when you get over certain number shareholders but it is a transparent existence and I think it at times if y..."
Mellody shares her approach to asking follow-up questions during investor meetings, emphasizing the importance of reading nonverbal cues and understanding the nuances of communication to gauge a CEO's confidence and the company's direction.
"have a meeting you know what would I expect in a meeting like that and what are the kinds of questions that you want to ask me so we're not gonna ask you about a quarter we're not gonna ask you about ..."
In this segment, Hobson discusses the importance of trust and alignment between investors and CEOs. She outlines the qualities she looks for in leadership, including ownership stakes and fair compensation practices.
"organization called BIA associates business intelligence advisors ex-cia agents who help us in in and they littering the light they are unbelievably great they literally train you to understand and kn..."
Hobson provides a detailed analysis of Bristow, a helicopter company servicing oil rigs. She discusses the company's unique business model, challenges, and the strategic considerations behind investing in such a volatile sector.
"yell at people you want them to feel aligned with you and we are they we are in it together with them we are owners of their business with them we often own varied we are often the largest shareholder..."
Mellody Hobson discusses the unique financial dynamics of helicopter companies, particularly in the context of search and rescue operations. She explains how the depreciation of helicopters affects their market value and the implications for investment decisions, emphasizing the importance of understanding asset longevity in the aviation sector.
"like the people who died in the oil rig fires no or it could be search and rescue for anything so in this in the country of Britain they are the outsourced provider for search and rescue for the count..."
Hobson shares her insights on what makes a strong leader in the companies she invests in. She highlights the importance of alignment with shareholders, capital allocation, and the ability to articulate a clear vision, especially when facing challenges. This segment underscores the critical role of leadership in investment success.
"five years okay so that's already baked into the price yeah so we do all that math and say right this makes a lot of sense okay so when we have those conversations with them we are going to add the is..."
In this segment, Hobson emphasizes the value of honesty in leadership and the need for transparency in business dealings. She contrasts 'truth tellers' with those who hype their companies, advocating for a realistic assessment of challenges and opportunities in investment scenarios.
"something has not gone well if we're interested in your company right right so it seems like melody shows up I guess you probably are they probably already know they have problems so yes no but they l..."
Hobson explains her investment philosophy of maintaining a concentrated portfolio, where quality trumps quantity. She discusses the rigorous selection process for stocks, emphasizing the importance of rejecting options that do not meet their stringent criteria, which ultimately leads to better investment outcomes.
"very hard for some people to understand yeah no question and so like of the companies you look at like how often are they truth tellers versus hi people we are avoiding trying to avoid the high people..."
Hobson outlines her strategy of avoiding investments in commodity businesses and new ventures without a proven track record. She stresses the importance of investing in companies with established brands and competitive advantages, which provide greater confidence in long-term success.
"concentrated portfolios Rupal Bhansali who runs our international and global portfolio you know she's looking at thousands of Sakshi eliminates two-thirds of them right off the top first process is on..."
Reflecting on past investment decisions, Hobson shares a story about a missed opportunity with Mandalay Bay during the financial crisis. She discusses the importance of understanding debt management and cash flow in investment decisions, illustrating how misjudgments can lead to significant regrets.
"where you don't you can't see any history or track record so that's not to say we won't buy an IPO we usually are buying cold IPOs but we're buying IPOs that the company's been in business for enough ..."
Hobson recounts the inspiring story of George Lucas and the challenges he faced while making Star Wars. She highlights his negotiation skills and foresight in securing merchandising rights, showcasing how belief in one's vision can lead to monumental success despite skepticism from others.
"then he just misunderstood there or he didn't weigh his own principle the core business hardened nothing I think he felt he was discouraged by the debt piece but the debt piece was manageable because ..."
In this segment, Hobson discusses the unexpected success of Star Wars merchandise and licensing deals. She explains how Lucas's foresight in negotiating these rights transformed the franchise into a multi-billion dollar empire, illustrating the importance of strategic thinking in entrepreneurship.
"believed in and what do you learn from that knowing him and who he is and do you look for that sometimes in companies well your facts are close but a little over corrected the original Star Wars budge..."
Hobson reflects on the qualities of successful investors, drawing parallels between George Lucas's approach and the mindset of great investors. She emphasizes the importance of long-term thinking and the dedication to craft over immediate financial gain, highlighting how passion can drive success.
"years but you know was a big mess yeah but it was to make their quarter that they made that trade but knowing that story that you have an entrepreneur like that who's got the confidence in himself to ..."
In this segment, Hobson shares insights into the intricate world-building of George Lucas, detailing how every planet in Star Wars has its own binder filled with lore. She draws parallels between Lucas's meticulous attention to detail and the dedication required from entrepreneurs in their startups, emphasizing the importance of thoroughness in creative endeavors.
"again taking the long term view George was in it for the long term he will tell you he did nothing to make money he did he was practicing his craft and he happened to make money but he ended up being ..."
Mellody Hobson reflects on the genius of George Lucas, discussing his innovative use of technology in filmmaking. She recounts how Lucas's creative process involved leveraging technology to enhance storytelling, illustrating the synergy between artistic vision and technological advancement in the film industry.
"amazingly intricate like one of the things that that that we tech people love about it is just like the just sheer force of imagination to create that whole thing with all those all that stuff well it..."
Hobson explains how George Lucas viewed art as a process intertwined with technology. She highlights his contributions to the film industry, such as the creation of THX sound and advancements in animation, showcasing how technological innovation can elevate artistic expression.
"mean fanaticism and detail so you pull out Tatooine language clothes plates silverware terrain like it's this big Wow every every planet hoth same thing you know he'd go you go on and on you said see ..."
In this segment, Hobson discusses her role at DreamWorks and the balance between governance and creativity. She emphasizes the importance of diverse perspectives in decision-making and how robust discussions lead to better outcomes, reflecting on her experiences with influential figures in the industry.
"there that has been very his brain and the brains of his friends they work in a completely different way probably more similar you know a lot of everything he did was tech based so you know he sold Pi..."
Mellody Hobson shares her approach to challenging conventional thinking within DreamWorks. She discusses the importance of asking critical questions and fostering an environment where diverse viewpoints are encouraged, ultimately leading to innovative solutions and better decision-making.
"representative of shareholders in your fiduciary my job is not to be the creative force at DreamWorks right my job is not to even create critique that you know we watch a lot of movies in our board me..."
Hobson concludes by reflecting on the value of diverse perspectives in board discussions at DreamWorks. She highlights how a mix of backgrounds and experiences contributes to richer conversations and more effective governance, underscoring the importance of collaboration in the creative process.
"decisions for the company I know that that may sound counterintuitive but it really is something like if you have an independent board in there you want to make sure that your own point of view doesn'..."