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Anne Applebaum has spent decades studying how democracies collapse, how authoritarian systems rise, and why the warning signs are often ignored until it’s too late. She reveals why America is entering a dangerous new phase, and what happens next! Anne Applebaum is a staff writer at The Atlantic and has hosted its Autocracy in America podcast. She is also a senior fellow at the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University and the School of Advanced International Studies. She is also the bestselling author of books such as, ‘Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World’. She explains: ◼️ Why democracies rarely collapse overnight ◼️ Why America may be closer to autocracy than people think ◼️ How elected leaders can slowly take apart the system from within ◼️ Why corruption is one of the clearest warning signs of authoritarianism ◼️ Why Big Tech leaders are bending toward political power ◼️ How America’s allies are already preparing for U.S. betrayal ◼️ Why Russia, China, and Iran are challenging the democratic world order ◼️ Why America may never fully go back to normal after Trump 00:00 Intro 02:10 Why History Keeps Repeating 03:33 Democracy’s Biggest Warning Sign 05:12 Why Democracy Feels So Broken 07:41 The Biggest Threats Right Now 08:52 Why Democracy Is Rapidly Shifting 10:18 Could America Become An Autocracy? 12:05 What A Trump Third Term Means 14:56 Why Autocracy Appeals To People 19:12 Trump’s Wealth Changes Everything 21:27 Why Global Stability Is Collapsing 26:26 Democracy Vs Dictatorship: What Lasts? 27:38 Who’s Happier: Democracies Or Autocracies? 29:04 Would Informed People Choose Democracy? 30:45 How Putin Stays In Power 32:40 5 Tactics Autocrats Use 34:19 Are Tech CEOs Enabling This? 38:11 Can America Ever Return To Normal? 39:27 Why Nations Are Turning Inward 43:57 What This Means For Americans 45:39 The Most Dangerous Part Of Dictatorship 48:49 Why Trump’s Ratings Are Falling 50:48 Ads 52:50 The 2nd Tactic Autocrats Use 57:39 The 3rd Tactic Autocrats Use 59:40 The 4th Tactic Autocrats Use 1:05:58 Should Social Media Have Legal Power? 1:12:58 Can Citizens Really Leave China? 1:14:15 The 5th Tactic Autocrats Use 1:14:48 Why ICE Is Breaking Down 1:17:00 Ads 1:17:32 Is The American Empire Declining? 1:21:32 Is Politics Just Human Nature? 1:24:20 Does Democracy Create Extreme Capitalism? 1:26:27 How Democracies Defend Themselves 1:28:01 Is Mainstream Media Politically Biased? 1:31:42 Why Journalism Matters More Than Ever 1:33:11 How Algorithms Control Your Reality 1:34:19 Anne’s Personal Political Journey 1:40:48 What Regime Change Really Feels Like 1:44:18 Anne’s Toughest Setback Follow Anne: Youtube - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/4pTtMb1 Instagram - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/1GOn8p5 X - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/8M5yUMK Website - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/GGmhcYf You can purchase Anne’s book, ‘Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World’, here: https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/D07471h Sponsors: Stan - Visit https://coach.stan.store/?ref=stevenbartlett&utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=episode5 Wispr - Get 14 days of Wispr Flow for free at https://wisprflow.ai/steven
"This was Trump's net worth when he went into office, $2.3 billion. And this is his net worth now, just two years later. $6.5 billion. >> So, we've never had a president running businesses while in off..."
">> An Apple Bomb, what is it you spent the last couple of decades of your life doing understanding studying and sharing with the world? I started out as somebody who was fascinated by the Soviet Union..."
"now >> are these just election cycles or is there something bigger at play here because you know I spend a lot time reading articles from decades ago or hundreds of years ago and in all times in histo..."
"apart. You know, if you think about democracy, it's actually a very strange system, right? So you win an election and in a democracy you have to preserve the rules so that four years from now your bit..."
">> What is your biggest concern in this regard? >> Well, I have two concerns. Uh, one is that inside the United States, the deterioration of American democracy, I mean, it's already happening, right? ..."
">> There's this map in front of us on the table. I realize some people can't see because they're listening, but there's a map on the table in front of us. Could you just explain what this map shows an..."
">> Do you think it's possible that in our lifetimes the US might become an orth orcratic country? So the US could become a what I think on this map is described as an autocratic gray zone. So you coul..."
">> Do you think he's going to try and get a third term in office? >> I don't think so because I don't think he wants one. >> Um, but I think it's possible that people around him will try to shape and ..."
">> I think when we have these conversations, we assume that everybody agrees that democracy is the better path. >> Sure. >> And that they understand the downsides of an autocracy. So there are differe..."
">> And we have two uh jars of money here. This was uh Trump's net worth when he went into office, $2.3 billion reportedly. And this is his net worth now, just 2 years later. $6.5 billion. Looks like b..."
">> Do you spend much time thinking about what's going on in the Middle East, the wars in Iran and what in Venezuela and the bigger picture here of what's happening and how this might link back to what..."
">> Through history, which lasts longer, democracy or autocracy? >> Oh, autocracies. >> They last longer. Well, look, if you look back in history, most human societies in most times have been what you ..."
">> I don't know if you have the answer to this question, but where are people happier on average in a democracy or in autocracy? >> So, I have to tell you, I know a little bit about happiness surveys,..."
">> If that is true and this is why I asked the question if it's better for the people and at some degree I think if informed people would choose it which I think is and I say the word informed because..."
">> It's almost hard for me to understand how the people in Russia are okay with the fact that their the leader has been there for several decades and isn't moving. But it's hard for us to understand b..."
">> I've heard you say that there's five core tactics that autocratic leaders use to dismantle a democracy. Could you walk me through the five tactics and maybe also link them to things that are happen..."
">> Is that what we're seeing with all these big tech CEOs that seem to be going frequently to the White House and saying wonderful things about him and his support and having dinner with him and none ..."
">> Is this just another 3 years of this sort of you know unusual behavior before we resume business as usual in in in our democracies. >> I'm I'm asked this by Europeans all the time and my sense is t..."
"US now thinking about their own defense and themselves more. Is that a pattern that you're seeing? just from my observations of you know we're we're sat here in London at the moment but my observation..."
">> If you're an American, is this good news or bad news that the rest of the world is hedging? >> It's very bad news. >> Why? because a lot of America's prosperity in the post-war period has been base..."
">> Coming back to this point about the war in Iran you said that Trump sort of misestimated what would happen here. Yes. Obviously flew into Versa and took Madura out of bed >> and that seemed to go f..."
">> The midterms are coming up and um I was reading that Trump's approval ratings are at an all-time low. It's the first time I've seen people that were sort of devoted supporters of his like Tucker Ca..."
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"When you begin to see attempts to corrupt and shape elections, this is when you know your democracy is in trouble. When the rules of the election are challenged. when um there there begin to be argume..."
">> What's the third one? >> Personnel. Well, we talked about this one a little bit already. >> Oh, the civil servants. >> This is civil service in a modern democracy. So in a 21st century democracy, g..."
">> The fourth one is >> information. >> Okay, >> all dictatorships seek to control information. You know, in China, the entire internet since the 1990s has been constructed so that the government can ..."
">> I think from what from what I've observed, it happens on both sides, but in different ways. I remember was it was it Elizabeth Warren talking a lot about um the section 230? M which I think protect..."
">> I was wondering, as you were speaking about this earlier, if I'm in China, can I just get up and go? >> Can I just leave? >> Where would you go? And could you get a visa to go there? >> Good questi..."
">> So, what's number five on our numbers? >> Uh, you've you've used the word power. >> Okay. control over power ministries and the use of violence. Most autocracies sooner or later want to create some..."
">> like ice. So, ICE is not supposed to be that. ICE is supposed to be an immigration enforcement institution. Um, but the way it's been used is well beyond the way any immigration institution was use..."
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"Do you think this is um potentially the decline of the what one might call the American empire? I was um I was looking at how long empires tend to last and I was before you came and there's this 2000 ..."
"this downstream from something that doesn't change, which is human nature. And therefore, if we understand human nature as the constant, then one can almost predict these dare I say the word again, cy..."
">> Is there a link between democracies and sort of rampant capitalism? So, in a democracy, I don't know much about this stuff, so I'm just asking the question. But in a democracy, does it tend to be t..."
">> If we don't believe in inevitabilities, then what is it we have to look out for as those living in a democracy? We talked about the five things there, but are there anything is there anything comin..."
"are politicized? Do you think there's political bias in the mainstream media like the big titles? >> You know, some of them have business models that are that are biased. So Fox's business model is to..."
"what's real. >> I agree. And I think those people are incredibly important, which I think people think podcasters won't say cuz I think sometimes we're positioned as being like the rebels or radicals ..."
"fears is that the the algorithms with AI are becoming better at knowing what to serve me in order to make me dwell and therefore it creates more ad dollars for the companies. And so I might not just b..."
"Do you know what this is? >> It looks like a very old newspaper. >> Very old newspaper from a long time ago. And you're in it. >> Gosh. Oh, it's Wow. Uh, that's a um that was that took a lot of resear..."
"important thing we haven't talked about that we should have talked about? Um, >> what would regime change really look like >> in our countries? >> Oh, in the west? >> Yes. >> Isn't it just electing a ..."
"what is the most challenging setback you've experienced and what's the lesson you want to pass on to others? I suppose the most I mean the most challenging things I've experienced have been political ..."