"the following is a conversation with Brett Weinstein evolutionary biologist author co-host of the Dark Horse podcast and as he says reluctant radical even though we've never met or spoken before this ..."

"as a side note let me say a few words about covid-19 and about science broadly I think science is beautiful and Powerful it is the striving of the human mind to understand and to solve the problems of..."

"let me mention five of the categories of solutions masks at home testing anonymized contact tracing antiviral drugs and vaccines within each of these categories institutional leaders should have const..."

"this conversation with Brett is less about the ideas we talk about we agree on some disagree on others it is much more about the very freedom to talk to think to share ideas this freedom is our only h..."

"Weinstein what to you is beautiful about the study of biology the science the engineering the philosophy of it it's a very interesting question I must say at one level it's not a conscious thing I can..."

"so they exist in isolation and I'm always aware that they do connect but I basically have to step into a module in order to see The evolutionary dynamics of the creature and the lineage that it belong..."

"oyster you can you can figure out what your passion is and then figure out all of the angles that one would have to pursue to really deeply understand it and it is uh it is well worth having at least ..."

"change will throw at challenges that its descendants will not be able to meet so the thing about humans is we are a generalist platform and we have the ability to swap out our software to exist in man..."

"were novel to it how would you do it it would have to look something like this this is a certain kind of magic you're right well the Consciousness being an observer when you play guitar for example or..."

"what I want to do with the with the uh almost as a fun side thing with the the Boston Dynamics robots is to have them learn and see what they figure out even if it even if they make mistakes I want to..."

"I think um your objective is laudable but you're going to realize that the Boston Dynamics folks are right the first time spot poops on your rug I hear the same thing about kids and so on yeah but I s..."

"wouldn't be able to play so you can detect that your conscious mind while very much present isn't there and you can also detect where Consciousness does usefully intrude if you go up against an oppone..."

"I don't exactly know how one would establish this how one would demonstrate it but it must be the case that the human mind contains sandboxes in which things are tested right maybe you can build a pie..."

"of ways yeah yeah I'm not saying that tennis is played consciously and table tennis isn't I'm saying that because tennis is slowed down by the just the space on the court you could you could imagine t..."

"actually uh trust is a big component of that your your conscious mind retains control if you are very uncertain um but when you do when you do get into that zone when you're speaking I realize it's di..."

"but you know the the place where I find gratitude and beauty and appreciation of Life is In The Quiet Moments When I don't talk when I listen to the world around me when I listen to others um when I t..."

"story that's a lovely story I do think this is one of these places and frankly you could map this onto all of modern Human Experience but this is one of these places where our ancestral programming do..."

"hope nothing terrible happens well I think what you will find and believe me I think what you're what you're talking about with respect to robots and learning is going to end up having to go to a deep..."

"events that are major disasters but they're not existential scale yet right they're very serious errors that we can see and I would argue that the pattern is you discover that we are involved in some ..."

"well this is sort of my point about the close calls is that there's a there's a level at which we can't control it right the gigantic asteroid that comes from deep space that you don't have time to do..."

"but we can obviously also say you know we paid a huge price for all of the disasters that I've mentioned and we have to factor that into the equation something can be very productive short term and ve..."

"there well I think we need to do a couple things for it to work um so I've been an advocate for the idea that sustainability is actually it's difficult to operationalize but it is an objective that we..."

"want to ask is um what would evidence for natural Origins look like so one piece of evidence for natural Origins is um that it has happened in the past that that viruses have jumped oh they do jump th..."

"giant piece of evidence that will shift the probabilities in the other direction is the discovery of either a human population in which the virus circulated prior to showing up in Wuhan that would exp..."

"require as you describe selection and the point is selection would leave a mark we would see evidence that in animals or humans both right and we see this evolutionary choice of uh of the virus Gather..."

"is uh engineering viruses so manually adding on the tricks what which do you think we should be thinking about here so mind you I learned what I know in the aftermath of this pandemic emerging I start..."

"determine about about what was done you're opening up my mind about why we should investigate why we should know the truth of the origins of this virus so for me personally let me just tell the story ..."

"of evolutionary driven research gain function research okay but then you started speaking out about this as well but also started to say no no we should hurry up and figure out the origins now because..."

"larger and harder to see um but I also think that there's a there's a clock ticking with respect to SARS cov2 and covid the disease that it creates and that has to do with whether or not we are stuck ..."

"of autopilot in which you you know let's say you're in some kind of a corporation a pharmaceutical Corporation you have a a portfolio of therapies that in the context of a pandemic might be very lucra..."

"hopeful in the sense that actually if we did the right thing now we're not navigating a puzzle about Chinese responsibility we're navigating a question of collective responsibility for something that ..."

"process that license to lie will be used by the thing that captures institutions for its own purposes so my sense is it may be very unfortunate if the story of what happened here can be used against u..."

"this is a very interesting question about whether it's ever okay to lie at the institutional layer to protect the populace I think both you and I are probably on the same have the same sense that it's..."

"is not okay well okay you know there are obviously places where complete transparency is not a good idea right to the extent that you broadcast a technology that allows one individual to hold the worl..."

"like these people are brilliant and the fact that they're not utilizing their brain to come up with Solutions uh outside of the conformist line of thinking it's tragic well it is I also think that it ..."

"it's a institutional rationalization mechanism and it's very very deadly and at the point you go from Lab leak to repurposed drugs you can see that it's very deadly in a very direct way yeah I see thi..."

"their mortgage their medical insurance their retirement their connection with the economy is to one degree or another dependent on their relationship with the employer that means that there is a stron..."

"you got a chance to talk with Joe Rogan yesterday yes I did and I just saw the episode was released and uh Ivermectin is trending on Twitter Joe told me it was an incredible conversation I look forwar..."

"talking about the drug itself and I should say we talked uh we had Pierre Corey available uh he came on the podcast as well he is of course the face of the FL Triple C the front line covid-19 Critical..."

"was at Merck a scientist named Campbell they won a Nobel prize for the discovery of the Ivermectin molecule in 2015. its initial use was in treating parasitic infections It's very effective in treatin..."

"if we wished to deploy it first of all the the the meta-analysis is this the uh ivermectin for code 19 real-time meta-analysis of 60 studies or there's a bunch of meta-analysis there because I I was r..."

"given everything you're saying why did YouTube and other places sensor discussion of um Ivermectin well there's a question about why they say they didn't and there's a question about why they actually..."

"even at their best The Who and CDC are not scientific entities they are entities that are about public health and public health has this whether it's right or not and I believe I disagree with it but ..."

"product can only exist in the market if some other product that works better uh somehow fails to be noticed so somehow YouTube is doing the bidding of Merck and others whether it knows that that's wha..."

"they've been wrong there's so much to talk about here so foreign I've heard this many times actually on the inside of YouTube and with colleagues that I've talked about talked with is they kind of in ..."

"what would you do would you take a stand a public stand against the who CDC or would you instead say you know what let's open the dam and let any video on anything fly what do you what do you do here ..."

"of building the right to censor so if I were running YouTube the limit of what should be allowed is the limit of the law right if what you are doing is legal then it should not be YouTube's place to l..."

"emergency well yes it's all worrying in time of emergency to be sure but I want you to notice that what you've happened on is actually an analog for a much deeper and older problem human beings are th..."

"everything is happening at a much higher rate if things are being created they're being destroyed and I can't say that you know I mean obviously we've seen totalitarianism arise many times and it's ve..."

"the immediate aftermath of this major reversal of for lab leak it should have looked at itself and said well what the hell are we doing who are we censoring we're censoring somebody who was just right..."

"reveal that um but there's a line you can cross like there's a comedy where people make fun of others I think that's amazing that's very powerful and that's very useful even if it's painful but then t..."

"implies something so yeah there's a question to be answered but at the moment no at the moment what it is doing is quite literally putting not only individual humans in tremendous Jeopardy by censorin..."

"of Google I remember a sense of Terror at the loss of General search right it used to be that the that Google if you searched came up with the same thing for everyone and then it got personalized and ..."

"any sense for from a company perspective if intelligent people in large amounts are open-minded and are thinking through the the hazards and the benefits of a vaccine a company should should find the ..."

"control agent right so should YouTube direct people to the only claims against this vaccine which is that it's a mind control agent when in fact the vaccine is very safe whatever that means if that we..."

"that it means that the way to get exposure is to generate something fringy if you're the only thing on some Fringe then suddenly YouTube would be recommending those things and that's that's obviously ..."

"game and I think a lot of people observe in this entire system now younger scientists are seeing this and saying okay if I want to continue being a scientist in the public eye and I want to be effecti..."

"some sort of you know let's imagine the world that you propose where YouTube shows you the alternative point of view that has the problem that I suggest but one thing you could do is you could give us..."

"effectively let's say that there was a position that uh I don't know that that a vaccine is a mind control device and you could have a steel man this argument uh competition effectively and the better..."

"with it that's updated for the fact that actually the Steel Man argument's better than I was expecting right so I could imagine something like that where a I would love the search to be indifferent to..."

"great business model to make a happy open-minded knowledgeable better human being it's a terrible business model under the current system what you want is to build the system in"

"what you want is to build the system in which it is a great business model why is a terrible model because it will be decimated by those who play to the short term I don't think so why well I mean I t..."

"willing to get the vaccine how would you compare Ivermectin and the vaccine for coven 19. all right that's a good question I would say first of all there are some hazards with the vaccine that people ..."

"um the other danger has to do with something called antibody dependent enhancement which is something that we see in certain diseases like Dengue Fever you may know that Dengue one gets a case and the..."

"develop so part of the problem here if you if you inoculated a population before encounter with a pathogen then there might be substantially enough immunity to prevent this phenomenon from happening b..."

"they're not vaccinated and with the vaccine as acryl is being deployed that is a quite a likely scenario that uh everything you know the virus will fade away in in the following sense that the the the..."

"we're doing it in a crappy way and using that crappy data to make conclusions that you then twist you're basically collecting in a way that can uh arrive at whatever conclusions you what and the data ..."

"far as cov2 to Extinction is such that it's an acceptable number but I would point out that that actually does not make any sense and the reason it doesn't make any sense is actually there's several r..."

"exercise not hurt immunity and the last thing I'm sorry I don't want to prevent you from jumping in here but the second reason in addition to the fact that we're exposing people to Danger that we shou..."

"but in the end I was confronted with a hypothesis that would explain a great many features of the way mammals and indeed vertebrates age but it was inconsistent with one result and at first I thought ..."

"because it functions as a kind of chemotherapy so the reason the chemotherapy works is that dividing cells are more vulnerable than cells that are not dividing and so if this mouse has effectively had..."

"number of times most famously with vioxx which turned out to do conspicuous heart damage why do you think this paper on this idea has not gotten significant traction well my collaborator Carol Grider ..."

"profile right this made things look safer than they were and I believe a lot of profits have likely been generated Downstream so to kind of play Devil's Advocate it's also possible that this particula..."

"was that she was a Leading Light in the field of telomeric studies and because of that this question about whether the model organisms are distorting the uh the understanding of the functioning of tel..."

"um I what I'm really troubled by in this story is the fact that as far as I know the flaw with the mice has not been addressed and actually Eric did some looking into this he tried to establish by cal..."

"uh will have told me a bunch of ideas that I'm already thinking about the point is taking that idea see this is different because the idea has more power in the space that we're talking about here in ..."

"frankly I think are bigger I think there's a lot of good to be done and it would be it would be a waste to get overly narrowly focused I mean there's so many ways through the space of Science and the ..."

"Dawkins can illustrate that one can make contributions to the field without using journals as the primary mechanism for Distributing what you've come to understand then it's obviously a valid mechanis..."

"valuable and Richard Dawkins is a good example of somebody that does that in book form that he kind of walks the line really interestingly you have like somebody who like Neil deGrasse Tyson who's mor..."

"that's the thing is people don't understand that the two things aren't the same right peer review is an anonymous process that happens before publication in a place where there is a power Dynamic righ..."

"best version of themselves and particular aspects of a particular field are in need of a revolution and part of me wanted to point that out versus doing the hard work of publishing papers and doing th..."

"the um the ego thing as you put it so I I I'm completely the same except instead of the pets I would put robots but so it's not it's the Eureka it's the exploration of of the subject that brings you J..."

"me realize that enjoying the fight ing the powerful and idea that you believe is right is a kind of um is a kind of optimism for the human spirit it's like we can win this it's almost like you're uh t..."

"a good one for me to have it you know the externalities of it are positive so I don't feel too bad about it yeah that's funny so yeah our perspective on the world are different but they rhyme like you..."

"hoping you're right I'm expecting me to be right but back to Eric because he had a wonderful conversation in that conversation he played the Big Brother role and he was very happy about it he was self..."

"which is sort of an echo of Eric's style of thinking but applied to the very far complexity he's uh overpoweringly argues for the importance of physics the fundamental of the fundamental he's not here..."

"right about the AI and I guess you said I like figuring stuff out is there something that you disagree with aricon they've been trying to convince them and you've failed so far but uh you will eventua..."

"it's it's more even than some will imagine um but yeah we have um you know there are things I say that drive him nuts right like when something you know like you heard me talk about the um what was it..."

"this drives Eric nuts um because he is very focused on the people I think he's focused on the people who have a choice and make the wrong one and anyway he made a question of the ratio as a distractio..."

"hell yeah hell yeah and you know I'd love him if he was just my brother but he's also awesome so I I love him and I love him for who he is so let me ask you about uh back to your book Hunter gatherer'..."

"you know I think about a little bit in this modern world which is monogamy so I personally value monogamy one girl ride or die there you go right or no that's exactly it but that said I'd I don't know..."

"largely poligenous but it is also the case that most of the people on Earth today belong to civilizations that are at least nominally monogamous and have practiced monogamy and that's not anti-evoluti..."

"it could be argued to be in would be the very small number of males at the top who have many partners and everybody else suffers is it possible to make the argument if we focus in on those males at th..."

"yeah I think there is uh getting to the fundamentals of the emergent I feel like there is some kind of physics of love so one we there's a conservation thing going on so if you have like many partners..."

"transcend the biology Transcendent evolutionary biology forces that have to do much more with survival and all those kinds of things it can transcend to take us to to a richer experience which will ha..."

"is there advice outside of love that you can give to young people you were a million years ago a professor is there advice you can give to young people high schoolers college students about career abo..."

"and friends and so on and I think that's a good way to see if you go to grad school as um as a opportunity to explore intersections of fields even if the individual Fields seem useless yeah and useles..."

"took that course and you know lo and behold Suddenly It's front and center and wow my glad I took it but um anyway yeah useless courses are great and actually Eric gave me one of the greater pieces of..."

"opportunity and a lot of people don't have opportunity right they get to be human but they're too constrained by keeping a roof over their heads to really be free but being a free human is fantastic a..."

"much as possible yeah you sum it up that way spread The Awesomes spread those so that's the fourth Frontier and if that fails if the fourth Frontier fails the fifth Frontier will be defined by robots ..."