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a16z Podcast | High Growth in Companies (and Tech)
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with Elad Gil (@eladgil) and Chris Dixon (@cdixon) There's a lot of knowledge out there -- and networks of talent (especially in Silicon Valley) -- on what to do in the early stages of a company, going from 0 to 1, and even in going from 1 to 100... but what about beyond that? It's not as simply linear as merely doubling or tripling resources and org structures; it's actually much more complex on many levels, communication to coordination. Because with great scale comes great complexity... and many, many more places for things to break down. So how should founders/CEOs of growing tech startups think about everything from hiring (including key executives) to product management (what is it, really, beyond common myths/misconceptions around the role?) to thinking about late-stage financing, M&A, and other key aspects of building a company? This episode of the a16z Podcast shares both specific answers to -- and general mindsets for thinking about -- these questions. Chris Dixon, general partner on a16z crypto, interviews Elad Gil, investor/advisor to numerous tech companies; co-founder of Color Genomics; formerly of Google and also co-founder and CEO of Mixer Labs (acquired by Twitter, where he also became a VP). He's the author of the new book, The High Growth Handbook, on scaling companies from 10 to 10,000 people. But the two also explore the growth -- and evolution -- of market and tech trends, including the continuation of mobile/cloud; machine learning (and silicon); crypto; and finally, longevity -- both in the near term and further out in the future. Should people -- and even companies for that matter -- really live longer?
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Introduction to High Growth Challenges
In this segment, Chris Dixon introduces Elad Gil, the author of 'The High Growth Handbook,' and outlines the podcast's focus on the complexities of scaling startups. They discuss the transition from early-stage success to the challenges faced in later stages, including executive hiring and product management.
"hi everyone welcome to the Asics & Z podcast today's episode features Chris Dixon now a general partner on a 6 & Z crypto interviewing allod Gil the author of a new book just out called the high-growt..."
From 10 to 10,000: The Scaling Journey
Elad Gil explains the difference between early-stage and late-stage startup challenges. He emphasizes that while early-stage companies focus on product-market fit, scaling to thousands introduces complexities like executive hiring and organizational structure, which require new strategies and processes.
"follows covers everything from executive hiring to product management to late stage financing and more the two alsa then discussed broader market and tech trends ranging from the continuation of mobil..."
Silicon Valley vs. Other Markets
Elad discusses the unique advantages of Silicon Valley in scaling startups, particularly the availability of experienced executives and specialized roles. He contrasts this with European tech companies, which may struggle to scale due to market dynamics and executive experience limitations.
"different things that break if you think about it the surface area of an early-stage company is actually really simple it's don't run out of money don't fight with your co-founder and find product mar..."
Communication Breakdowns in Growth
As companies grow, communication patterns change significantly. Elad highlights how the increase in organizational layers complicates information flow, necessitating new communication strategies to maintain efficiency and clarity within larger teams.
"different about Silicon Valley is there's a whole bunch of people who have done like scaling the one to end phase and so I kind of describe it as like the second stage rocket you know that's sort of t..."
Building a Strong Executive Team
Elad emphasizes the importance of developing a strong executive team as companies scale. He discusses the need for new functions and the challenges of hiring experienced leaders who can navigate the complexities of a growing organization.
"the biggest changes in the company as the organization grows I mean the naive view is you're 50 poised you have a hundred people that's just twice as many and you've got to do some you know more manag..."
Implementing Effective Processes
In this segment, Elad outlines the necessity of establishing lightweight processes for strategic planning and resource allocation as companies expand. He explains how these processes help manage the increased complexity and ensure effective operations.
"and a pretty deep way the second thing is you really have to focus on building out a strong executive staff and not just that you're gonna have entirely new functions that you as the CEO of never deal..."
Hiring for Growth: Key Considerations
Elad shares insights on hiring for executive roles, particularly for founders who may lack experience in these areas. He advises on the importance of understanding what greatness looks like in potential hires and the need for clarity in job roles and expectations.
"with that if you're buying companies you now have to have people who can deal with the integrations of those companies if you're launching multiple product lines how do you think about deprecating the..."
Learning from Industry Experts
Elad suggests that founders should meet with top professionals in their desired roles to gain insights into effective hiring practices. He emphasizes the value of learning from experienced individuals to better understand the qualities needed for success in executive positions.
"of advice do you give for people who are hiring in these roles for jobs I've never frankly even worked maybe with let alone hired for I think there's basically two things that are sort of good generic..."
Defining Roles and Responsibilities
In this segment, Elad discusses the importance of clearly defining roles and responsibilities when hiring new executives. He highlights the need for collaboration among team members to ensure everyone understands the expectations and objectives for new hires.
"like and then I would just ask them what would you look for in a person that would fit my company and what sort of experience would you look for what interview questions should I ask them how should I..."
The Value of Calibration in Hiring
Elad explains the concept of 'calibration' in hiring, where founders are introduced to successful executives to understand the potential impact they could have on the organization. This process helps founders recognize the value of experienced leaders in driving growth.
"last thing is you should figure out how to UM board them effectively and part of that will be working with them closely to figure out what they think their role should be and what the function should ..."
Balancing Experience and Growth Potential
Elad discusses the balance between hiring experienced executives and promoting internal talent. He emphasizes the importance of assessing whether existing team members are the right fit for evolving roles as the company grows.
"are scaling and the CEO role because to your point out the whys that we'll have no idea founders have a bunch of questions about hiring use x-wind should they hire them what should they look for there..."
Managing Old Timers in a Growing Company
Elad addresses the challenges of managing long-term employees as companies scale. He highlights the potential for resistance to change among established team members and the need for effective communication to navigate these dynamics.
"basically show up be incredibly boring and either try to over hire and hire a super senior staff or just turn out second people tolerate good versus great hires for too long and so they'll have a good..."
Navigating Loyalty and Growth
In this segment, Gil explores the tension between long-term employees and new hires during periods of rapid growth. He reflects on the challenges faced by 'old-timers' who may resist change as the company scales, and the importance of balancing loyalty with the need for fresh perspectives and adaptability in a growing organization.
"because they've proven their loyalty to the company they were essential in the early days they have all the cultural contacts they have all the trust of the founders which is really important and valu..."
Embracing Change in Hyper Growth
Elad Gil shares his personal experiences with hyper growth at Google and Twitter, emphasizing the importance of focusing on the big picture and being adaptable. He advises employees to keep their heads down, do good work, and be open to new opportunities as the company evolves rapidly, highlighting the dynamic nature of roles in a scaling organization.
"remember when I joined Google it was about 1,500 to 2,000 people and over three and a half years I grew to 15,000 people and the first time I went through hyper growth I was caught up in all the chaos..."
The Role of Product Management
This segment delves into the critical role of product management in tech companies. Gil discusses the evolution of product organizations, the importance of having experienced product managers, and the challenges faced when technical founders fill the product management role. He emphasizes the need for structured processes and insights to drive product development effectively.
"it was because I just put everything else aside and said where can I help so I think that's a really important thing put aside the angst focus on the big picture and realize that every six months if t..."
Building Great Product Organizations
Elad Gil outlines key strategies for building effective product organizations, drawing on examples from Google. He highlights the importance of mentorship, process focus, and training programs for product managers. This segment underscores how great product managers can significantly impact a company's success by bridging gaps between engineering and market needs.
"keeping that in mind is crucial so let's talk a little about product management what are some of the key learnings that people should know about there there's very few very strong product organization..."
Defining Product Management
In this segment, Gil clarifies the role of product management, distinguishing it from project management and design. He explains the multifaceted responsibilities of product managers, including owning product requirements, mediating between sales and engineering, and synthesizing feedback to prioritize features. This foundational understanding is crucial for anyone involved in tech startups.
"or at Google in the early days so Susan Wojcicki who now CEO YouTube Salar who similarly had run YouTube and before that the ads team Marissa Meyer who became CEO Yahoo see how these people who were s..."
Insights on Late-Stage Financing
Elad Gil discusses the complexities of late-stage financing for tech startups, emphasizing the importance of choosing the right investors. He warns against overvaluation and the pitfalls of complicated investment structures. This segment provides valuable insights for founders navigating the late-stage funding landscape, highlighting the need for strategic capital that supports long-term growth.
"bad product manager from sort of the 90s the tries to encapsulate enterprise product management you know ultimately the role of a product manager is four fold number one is to really own the generatio..."
Unicorns and Market Realities
The conversation shifts to the reality of unicorn valuations, with Gil positing that many companies valued over a billion dollars may not deserve such valuations. He discusses how excess capital in the market can delay the inevitable reckoning for these companies.
"pushed out because of so much capital in the markets and so much liquidity sort of pushing things ahead so there's been big shifts in terms of late stage financing and how you get that done there's al..."
Shifts in M&A Strategies
Gil and Dixon explore the evolving landscape of mergers and acquisitions (M&A) in tech. They discuss how private market valuations are rising and how founders need to adapt their strategies as companies scale from product-centric to distribution-centric models.
"Facebook did it and so the traditional model is you buy stuff and you distribute it to your channel and you realize you're also just Bhushan company and I think that a lot of folks today have less of ..."
The Importance of Distribution
The discussion highlights the need for tech companies to recognize their role as distribution entities. Gil emphasizes that successful companies often acquire others to enhance their distribution capabilities, a mindset that some current founders may lack.
"like they basically broke they traditionally incumbents would have sort of salary bands and that was one reason sort of to leave and then they would also then they could resource a laries at companies..."
Corporate Development and Strategic Acquisitions
Gil points out the lack of corporate development personnel in early-stage companies, which can hinder strategic acquisitions. He cites Coinbase as an example of a company that has successfully made multiple acquisitions by having a dedicated person to drive this function.
"and social as three separate waves you actually saw companies subsequently buying talent for those areas I remember when Twitter bought my startup back in 2009 shortly thereafter there was a big wave ..."
Emerging Trends in Tech
The conversation shifts to the future of technology, with Gil identifying four key areas of interest: the continuation of cloud and mobile trends, the rise of crypto, advancements in machine learning, and innovations in longevity and anti-aging technologies.
"coinbase is a good example where over the last you know 12 months I think they've made five or six acquisitions and in part that may be driven by them hiring Emily Choi to come in and you know really ..."
The Next Wave of Innovation
Gil discusses the potential for new billion-dollar companies to emerge by addressing repetitive tasks in Fortune 500 companies. He emphasizes the importance of mobile-first services and the ongoing evolution of crypto as significant areas for future innovation.
"super interesting third area is the sort of systems and semiconductor layer of machine learning so if you look at Nvidia and NVIDIA GPUs are really the primary basis for a lot of sort of performant ma..."
Crypto's Future and Market Dynamics
The discussion delves into the current state of the crypto market, comparing it to the late 90s internet boom. Gil highlights the need for infrastructure and scalability in crypto projects, noting that many will fail while a few will succeed, similar to the early days of the internet.
"about wave - I think there's two or three components of wave to you that are really interesting number one is on the south side I still think there's a dozen billion dollar-plus companies to be create..."
Lessons from the Internet Boom
Gil draws parallels between the current crypto landscape and the internet boom, discussing how speculative projects will likely fail while foundational technologies will thrive. He emphasizes the importance of infrastructure in enabling successful applications, much like the evolution of companies like Amazon and Netflix.
"gonna go to zero and so in the early days of the Internet you needed PayPal to be able to buy things you needed to be able to start doing commerce Amazon and eBay and some of the early sites you had y..."
Lessons from the Internet Boom
In this segment, Gil reflects on the lessons learned from the early internet era, where speculative bubbles coexisted with genuine value creation. He cites examples like Amazon and Google, illustrating how infrastructure developments were crucial for the success of applications like Netflix and YouTube. This discussion underscores the importance of building robust infrastructure to support the next wave of technological advancements.
"then ended up becoming a major you know to your point about earlier it said you had to have both apps and infrastructure in that case the infrastructure was things like broadband and mobile phones and..."
Machine Learning and Custom Silicon
Elad Gil delves into the intersection of machine learning and silicon technology, discussing the potential for custom ASICs to revolutionize performance in machine learning applications. He highlights the importance of specialized hardware for both training and inference, and how this could lead to significant advancements in various fields, including self-driving cars and robotics. This segment emphasizes the evolving landscape of machine learning and its implications for startups.
"crypto where there's all these ideas that are early and there's no infrastructure and in 15 years are gonna be amazing and then the third category is machine learning is a silicon machine like that's ..."
The Science of Longevity
In this segment, Gil explores the scientific advancements in longevity research, discussing evidence that aging can be modified through various interventions. He highlights caloric restriction, genetic modifications, and the potential of FDA-approved drugs like rapamycin and metformin to extend lifespan. This discussion sheds light on the biological processes of aging and the emerging opportunities in the biotech sector focused on longevity.
"that require specialized hardware that's a great point inference side of machine learning will have its own specialized chips potentially and if you look at the companies in the market they often segm..."
Societal Implications of Longevity Technology
Elad Gil examines the profound societal implications of developing longevity technologies. He discusses potential ethical dilemmas, the impact on power structures, and how extended lifespans could alter personal life choices, career paths, and social mobility. This segment raises critical questions about the future of society in a world where people could live significantly longer, prompting a reevaluation of traditional life milestones.
"interesting opportunity what do you think about the societal implications of if we do develop longevity technology the societal implications are massive and I think there's all sorts of ethical conund..."