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The Secret To Loving Your Work with Bruce Daisley | E66
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This weeks topics: 0:00 Intro 01:52 Your take on this new remote working culture? 12:11 What causes burn out? 29:03 What kills and causes creativity 42:43 How do I know when to quit? 45:53 Childhood trauma in the elite 52:54 The Trump Twitter ban 01:01:34 Where does social media go from here? 01:08:44 Whats next for you to keep joy in your work? 01:11:32 Whats the one thing you'd do to make work enjoyable for everyone? Bruce: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brucedaisley https://twitter.com/brucedaisley Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX My book pre-order: (UK, US, AUS, NZ Link) - http://hyperurl.co/xenkw2 (EU & Rest of the World Link) https://www.bookdepository.com/Happy-Sexy-Millionaire-Steven-Bartlett/9781529301496?ref=grid-view&qid=1610300058833&sr=1-2 FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsor: https://uk.huel.com/ https://www.fiverr.com/ceo
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The Joy of Work: An Introduction
Bruce Daisley, author of 'The Joy of Work', discusses the importance of work in our lives and how it can be both joyous and miserable. He shares insights on the shift to remote working culture and the need to understand what makes work enjoyable, especially in the context of the pandemic.
"you were the vp of twitter obviously donald trump has just been booted off twitter permanently what do you think about that there's a 70 year long study out of yale university looking at what the the ..."
Remote Work: A Double-Edged Sword
Bruce Daisley shares his initial reservations about remote work, emphasizing the importance of human connection and laughter in the workplace. He discusses how the pandemic has forced a shift in work culture and the need to adapt to this new reality while maintaining a sense of community.
"so without further ado my name is stephen butler and this is the director ceo i hope nobody's listening but if you are then please keep this to yourself bruce you were you wrote a i feel like that's a..."
The Shift in Work Dynamics
Daisley highlights the changing dynamics of work, noting that many employees prefer a hybrid model of working from home and the office. He discusses the implications for businesses and how firms are beginning to rethink their office spaces in response to employee preferences.
"so i think at the outset i shared some of your reservations brony brown talks about this thing which is collective effervescence and it's a it's a good way she's she's coined to turn for something you..."
The Cost of Community
Bruce Daisley reflects on the financial implications of maintaining an office versus remote work. He shares personal experiences of how the pandemic has affected employee morale and the sense of community within organizations, leading to a significant loss of talent.
"so working through those things that the number one thing we know uh 91 of people say they want to continue working in some capacity when you look at the numbers of that people say broadly say they wa..."
The Buzz of Good Workplaces
Daisley discusses the concept of 'buzz' in workplaces and how it contributes to employee satisfaction. He emphasizes the importance of feeling part of a community and how the lack of in-person interactions can lead to feelings of isolation and burnout.
"so broadly all of the evidence suggests actually the experience of it has been at least unbalanced positive so then you look at the the other side and i guess it's firms and it's really growing eviden..."
The Reality of Burnout
Bruce Daisley addresses the rising issue of burnout in the workplace, particularly during the pandemic. He explains how the shift to remote work has exacerbated feelings of exhaustion and disconnection among employees, leading to increased turnover rates.
"resonate with that i think even for our organization we realized how much money i'll be honest how much money we could save by not having an office because it's not just the rent it's the the cleaning..."
Understanding Burnout Causes
Daisley explores the causes of burnout, referencing a popular article that discusses millennials as the 'burnout generation.' He emphasizes the importance of recognizing our energy limits and the dangers of overworking without adequate breaks.
"an exodus of our employees because now they're sad at home they're looking at their to-do lists and that they're now thinking the remuneration or the value i'm getting from this job is this amount of ..."
The Impact of Mood on Work
Bruce discusses the concept of 'affect' and how our mood influences our work performance and creativity. He highlights the negative impact of the current work environment on employee morale and productivity.
"evidence that when people feel part of something bigger than themselves it's transformational so i've been i'm writing something about resilience at the moment a book about resilience and what you dis..."
The Contrast of Work Experiences
Daisley explains how the contrast between pre-pandemic and current work experiences affects employee satisfaction. He notes that companies with strong cultures may suffer more from the loss of community than those with less emphasis on culture.
"and the uh creativity and our sense of collaboration so scientists talk about positive affect and negative affect and positive affect best way i can sort of frame uh positive affect it it suggests tha..."
Understanding Errand Paralysis
Bruce Daisley discusses the concept of 'errand paralysis,' where high-performing individuals struggle to complete mundane tasks after a long day of work. He explains that this phenomenon is not about avoidance but rather exhaustion, emphasizing the importance of recognizing our finite energy levels to prevent burnout.
"she's thinking i'm feeling something i wonder if i could capture it and she was thinking is there such thing as errand paralysis so what she means by that is that she was getting to the end of like th..."
The Science of Ego Depletion
In this segment, Bruce elaborates on 'ego depletion,' explaining how our mental energy is limited, similar to a phone battery. He shares personal experiences from his time at Twitter, highlighting how back-to-back meetings can lead to feelings of burnout and the necessity of managing our energy effectively.
"than the infinite broadband that we we normally deal with so your brain's sort of got a certain amount of charge in it and when you use it and so the way you'll you'll witness this is maybe you walk i..."
Burnout and Control
Bruce explores the relationship between burnout and the sense of control in our work lives. He discusses how feeling a lack of control can exacerbate feelings of burnout, using examples from various professions, including nurses and fast-food workers, to illustrate how choice impacts our mental well-being.
"but maybe it's five or six really good hours and then you know other stuff is dealing with email or dealing with with phone calls it i suspect it would change the way you made decisions and you see ev..."
The Importance of Community
This segment focuses on the significance of community and connection in preventing burnout. Bruce shares research showing that individuals who feel part of a community have better health outcomes and discusses the challenges of isolation during the pandemic, emphasizing the need for social interaction.
"resonates with me as well to some degree like if i've ever got close to feeling unmotivated or quote unquote burnt out it was when i was doing things alone pre-social chain on my own just for money we..."
Loneliness and Its Impact
Bruce highlights the detrimental effects of loneliness, comparing it to smoking 15 cigarettes a day. He discusses how the lack of genuine connection during the pandemic has led to feelings of flatness and energy depletion, stressing the importance of nurturing relationships for mental health.
"now the challenge go on i was just gonna say i was gonna say um actually there's a lady that sat in your in your chair yesterday anna hemmings and she's an 11 time or 11 time world gold medal world ch..."
Finding Connection in Isolation
In this concluding segment, Bruce reflects on the challenges of maintaining connections in a world increasingly reliant on technology. He shares insights from research on long-distance relationships, emphasizing that emotional connection is crucial for resilience and well-being, especially during isolating times.
"right now and for all of these things that we've tried to sort of create these artificial intel alternatives zoom quizzes and all manner and things like that they just don't have the same connection o..."
Creativity Beyond the Office
Bruce Daisley reflects on the environments that foster creativity, noting that many people find their best ideas come when they are not actively working, such as during walks or in the shower. He discusses the neuroscience behind creativity and the importance of disengaging from focused tasks to allow ideas to flow.
"hour flight so they did a piece of research 40 000 couples living distant relationships and they wanted to know so these were unmarried so they wanted to know the ones who made it through a year what ..."
Rethinking Work Environments
Daisley emphasizes the need to rethink how we approach work and creativity. He suggests that traditional office settings may not be conducive to creative thinking and advocates for incorporating more flexibility and downtime into work routines to enhance productivity and innovation.
"overwhelmed with these performative zoom calls right now where he's sitting there with like a celebrity squares a blanky blank uh array of faces in front of you i know and i wonder if it's that sense ..."
The Balance of Work and Imagination
Bruce Daisley draws on the example of Charles Dickens, who balanced his writing with long walks, to illustrate the importance of allowing time for imagination to flourish. He argues that modern work culture often neglects this balance, leading to diminished creativity.
"gone but anyway moving on creativity something you've talked about at length and um for me i've i've always believed that i'm least creative in the office i've always thought i'm more creative in the ..."
Creating a Conducive Work Environment
Daisley discusses how to design a work environment that fosters creativity and engagement. He suggests that smaller teams can enhance camaraderie and productivity, and emphasizes the importance of giving employees a sense of agency and responsibility in their roles.
"that neuroscience worked and it's only the last 20 years that brain scans have had any degree of sophistication but what they've discovered in like the time that they've had brain scanners is some of ..."
Engagement and Disengagement in the Workplace
Bruce Daisley presents alarming statistics about employee engagement, revealing that a significant portion of the workforce feels disengaged. He highlights the importance of fostering a positive work culture where employees feel valued and connected to their work and colleagues.
"it's called the executive attention network so it's the main thing you're focusing on and then you'll know while your executive attention network is watching netflix or while you're writing an email y..."
The Power of Workplace Culture
Daisley concludes by discussing the transformative power of a strong workplace culture. He emphasizes that when employees feel a personal connection and pride in their work, it can lead to higher engagement and productivity, ultimately benefiting the organization as a whole.
"west wing he wrote there was a um there was a film he had on netflix just before christmas called the chicago seven he's written all these big things very famous for zingy dialogue so he wrote the soc..."
The Power of Small Teams
Bruce Daisley discusses the importance of keeping teams small to enhance engagement and productivity. He highlights research showing that smaller teams foster a sense of responsibility and connection among members, leading to higher effectiveness and satisfaction in the workplace.
"teams that love each other but we're we're working on separate goals so keeping things small is really critical and there's lots of evidence of the smaller you can keep things you almost get the econo..."
Understanding Workplace Disengagement
Daisley shares alarming statistics from Gallup about global workforce engagement, revealing that only 13% of employees feel engaged at work. He explains the difference between actively disengaged employees, who wish to see their organizations fail, and those who are passively disengaged, highlighting the challenges of workplace culture.
"majority of everyone else over 50 percent of people are just disengaged they're not actively disengaged they're just passively disengaged so work for most of us is something is something that sort of ..."
When to Consider Quitting Your Job
In this segment, Bruce Daisley addresses the difficult question of when to quit a job. He emphasizes the importance of self-reflection and evaluating whether one feels rewarded and proud of their work, especially in times of economic uncertainty and organizational decline.
"this quite um this quite confounding question which is how do i know when to quit and we talk that we know i think there's so much written about how to start and when to start and starting being the t..."
The Illusion of Career Progression
Daisley explores the concept of career progression and how it can lead to feelings of inadequacy when organizations face decline. He discusses the societal construct of career advancement and its impact on personal fulfillment, suggesting that meaningful connections may be more important than traditional career trajectories.
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The Paradox of Achievement and Happiness
Bruce Daisley delves into the psychological effects of achieving goals and the potential for 'gold medal depression.' He discusses how reaching the pinnacle of success can lead to a lack of purpose and meaning, emphasizing the need for continuous striving and the dangers of complacency.
"i was thinking what are some of the things people really want to know right now one of them i'm sure is like i hate my job i don't have control my boss is an do i quit yeah look you know big questions..."
Childhood Trauma and Elite Success
In this thought-provoking segment, Daisley examines the correlation between childhood trauma and elite athletic success. He shares insights from a study on Olympic medalists, revealing that many top athletes have overcome significant personal challenges, which may drive their relentless pursuit of excellence.
"the whole idea of the career at korea is the invention of the last 40 years you know uh ancestors uh grandparents our great-grandparents never had the idea of a career where i was going to be accompli..."
The Cost of Success: A Double-Edged Sword
Daisley reflects on the complex relationship between childhood experiences and adult success. He discusses how trauma can fuel ambition but also lead to unhappiness, using examples from well-known athletes and entrepreneurs to illustrate the nuanced outcomes of striving for success.
"i think jordan peterson talks about it i know benjamin said a lot about it that you know much of um i was looking at the stats around life expectancy in the uk and the us and over the last two years i..."
The Burden of Success
Bruce Daisley discusses the paradox of success and fulfillment, highlighting how some successful individuals, like billionaires and boxing promoters, struggle with personal happiness and fulfillment. He contrasts their relentless drive with the experiences of others, such as Andre Agassi, who, despite achieving greatness, harbored resentment towards their paths due to childhood trauma. This segment explores the complex relationship between childhood experiences and adult success, questioning whether trauma can lead to empathy or relentless ambition.
"um and he's got there now he's a billionaire but he's not happy at all he's he's you know he's tremendously unfulfilled the same with eddie han i went and eddie holmes on this podcast a couple of week..."
Empathy from Adversity
In this segment, Bruce Daisley examines how childhood adversity can shape individuals in unexpected ways. He shares the story of Joe Wicks, who, despite a troubled upbringing, has become an incredibly empathetic figure. Daisley contrasts Wicks' compassion with the harsh experiences of others, like Donald Trump, prompting a discussion on how different responses to trauma can lead to vastly different outcomes in personality and behavior.
"upbringing that lacked empathy from their parents then they'll become an or a serial killer but in the case of joe wicks he was he talked about how he had you know he looked at the doors in his house..."
The Dilemma of Deplatforming
Bruce Daisley delves into the complexities surrounding the deplatforming of Donald Trump from Twitter. He reflects on the moral and ethical implications of such a decision, considering the responsibilities of social media platforms in curbing harmful rhetoric. Daisley discusses the challenges faced by tech leaders in making these decisions and the potential consequences for public discourse and mental health in society.
"the i mean i always felt lucky i worked four years at youtube before twitter and the time that i worked at youtube there was a lot of um mass shootings and there's always mass shootings in the u.s but..."
Navigating Social Media's Responsibilities
This segment focuses on the responsibilities of social media platforms in the wake of controversial figures like Donald Trump. Bruce Daisley discusses the challenges of balancing free speech with the need to prevent violence and misinformation. He reflects on the discomfort felt by tech leaders when making decisions that could have significant societal impacts, emphasizing the need for clear guidelines and regulations in the evolving landscape of social media.
"the people i mean i know jack i know uh the the other person who made the decision and i know that they don't make any of those decisions lightly you know it's like it's really uh weighs on them but t..."
The Future of Social Media Regulation
Bruce Daisley speculates on the future of social media and the potential for increased regulation. He discusses the ongoing debates surrounding the breakup of major tech companies and the implications for innovation and consumer experience. Daisley argues that regulation could lead to healthier competition and better outcomes for users, while also addressing the challenges faced by platforms in moderating content responsibly.
"country and so you know irrespective of anything else for a private company to be saying that we we take an opinion which transcends uh the election result is a really uncomfortable one so i know that..."
Breaking Up Big Tech
In this segment, Bruce Daisley discusses the potential breakup of major tech companies like Facebook and Google. He argues that such actions could benefit consumers and shareholders alike, leading to more innovation and responsiveness in the tech industry. Daisley reflects on the lessons learned from past regulatory actions and the importance of embracing change for the future of social media.
"where does social media go from here i mean it's it feels like it's a really pivotal moment we've got this big case with facebook at the moment in the us where they're trying to you know considering b..."
The Future of Facebook and YouTube
Bruce Daisley discusses the potential breakup of major tech companies like Facebook and YouTube, suggesting that such actions could benefit consumers and shareholders alike. He emphasizes that large firms often miss opportunities for innovation, which can lead to a lack of competition and creativity in the market.
"in the next five years really so you think they'll force facebook to sell whatsapp or instagram or something yeah or both yeah or both yeah really almost certainly i would guess youtube will be sold f..."
The Illusion of Safety in Tech
In this segment, Bruce critiques the notion that safety measures in social media should be proprietary to companies like Facebook. He argues that the advancements in AI for content moderation should be accessible to all platforms, fostering a safer online environment and encouraging innovation across the industry.
"it's really exciting i think in the case of facebook mark mark would respond to that and say we've got 10 years or 15 years whatever it is now of experience moderating terrorist content and you know r..."
Monopolies and Market Influence
Bruce addresses Mark Zuckerberg's defense against claims of monopoly, discussing the nuances of market dominance and competition. He reflects on the implications of having major platforms controlling significant portions of the market and the potential for regulatory changes in the tech landscape.
"bit of deception and a bit of misdirection the other talking point mark zuckerberg would rebuttal you basically because i've looked at his arguments for not breaking up facebook he says well what have..."
Finding Joy in Work
Bruce shares his thoughts on what brings joy and fulfillment in work, emphasizing the importance of connection and relationships with colleagues. He highlights a long-term study from Yale that identifies love and friendship as key components of happiness, suggesting that these elements are crucial in the workplace.
"just the less than microsoft is you lose 10 years of your life by resisting talk a lot about the joy of work we've talked a lot about you know your past experiences at youtube and twitter what is next..."
The Secret to a Fulfilling Work Life
In this concluding segment, Bruce reflects on the essence of work and its impact on identity. He stresses that feeling part of a team and enjoying camaraderie can transform work into a defining aspect of life, reinforcing the idea that joy in work is rooted in human connection.
"will you ever get back into the world of social networking i i really want to avoid doing that so that's why i'm working hard on podcast and writing because if i can pay the bills doing that you know ..."