"The business you're building, the team you're  building, the way you're operating is the very   bleeding edge of how companies are  trying to operate in this AI era. We have a head of AI operations. S..."

"bundle. With that, I bring you Dan Shipper. This episode is brought to you by CodeRabbit,   the AI code review platform transforming  how engineering teams ship faster with AI   without sacrificing co..."

"Thank you for having me. I've obviously been a   huge fan for a long time and  so it's an honor to be here. It's my honor, Dan. I feel like this is  a podcast that was meant to be. I'm so   happy we'r..."

"I like optimistic takes about AI, so this is  great. And to your point, TBD if this is good   for other countries, but good for the US. What  else? What else you got? What other hot takes? Okay. Anoth..."

"So as a simple way to think about  this, you basically have an agent   on your local computer that can read  your local files and do your bidding. Yes, exactly. And it can do that for long  amounts of..."

"I think they absolutely will. And I also think  probably the model companies are going to start   making this more accessible. I think one of  the things that will just come from Claude Code   and oth..."

"your caregiver. There's no difference between  you and her or you and whoever your caregiver is.  And growing up is this process of being gradually  let down in certain moments where you can handle   ..."

"that will be totally and completely different. For  the student example or the "AI turns your brain   off" example, I think it's really important to  understand that in the history of technology, it  ..."

"to students with these studies in Nigeria and  just how fast people progress. So I think it's   really important, this context you're  sharing that you will lose some things,   but the hope is the gai..."

"how to deal with. And just because you can get a  really good score on a test... It's incredible.   I love AI, it's so incredible, but it doesn't  actually give you an intuition for how difficult   it..."

"for that. And so I was like, "Well, my meeting  transcripts aren't anywhere on the internet.   A lot of what I say is on the internet and  there's some overlap, but it'd be interesting."  And so I ran..."

"Interesting. I imagine you can  build a GPT from that. And then,   instead of having a meeting with Dan now, just  talk to this thing, and he'll make decisions. Yes, definitely. And I mean we do this ..."

"Let's follow this thread. This  is exactly where I want it to go.   I feel like the business you're building, the  team you're building, the way you're operating   is the very bleeding edge of how com..."

"Yes. And this is benefiting  all of us, so thank you.   So first of all, just tell people what the  heck Every is, and then share a few insights   into just how you operate. It's funny that you  laugh..."

"I don't if I can curse on this podcast, but- You can. ... it's the fucking best. Perfect. Excellent use. And you call  those "vibe checks", is that the- Yeah, we call them vibe checks- Vibe checks, lo..."

"Congratulations. Thank you. You can think of it like a chief of  staff, an AI chief of staff for your email. It   helps you manage your email with AI. It's very  cool. We can go into more of it later...."

"[inaudible 00:29:50]. Because everybody wants to learn this. Okay, so share a few ways that you guys   operate. You mentioned that your team doesn't  write any code. What are just some ways that   all..."

"as much as possible. And I think that has been  a big unlock because it's really hard to...  If you're working in a job all day, you're  fighting fires, and you're like, "Okay,   am I going to do this..."

"actually having to take time to do it, which  I think makes it much more likely it happens.  There's always a trick with that, where it's  like you have to make sure it gets used.   So it's basically ..."

"and it will go through anything you're  writing, and copy edit it, which is amazing.  The trick is it's not just building that. You also  have to get Kate to be like, "Did you put this   through the p..."

"And then before that, she worked at Animalz,  which is a content marketing agency, one of the   top content marketing agencies. And they're very  process oriented. And I think the reason Katie is   so..."

"So we're doing this inside of the editorial  org, but there's a lot of copy that goes out   on Cora. And by the way, Cora is spelled  C-O-R-A, so it's different from Q-U-O-R-A,   slightly confusing. T..."

"That is extremely cool. I'm going to take  us on a little tangent. You keep mentioning- [inaudible 00:35:42]. ... Claude, and I'm curious just what is in the  stack of tools that you find yourself usi..."

"So day-to-day, o3, that's my go-to. I think Claude Opus is... First of all,   Claude Code, everyone inside Every,  that's basically what we use.   If you're building something, you're using  Claude Co..."

"judge. So for us, for example, we're working on  a new version of our product Spiral, which does   content automation. You've used that in the past.  And we're doing essentially Claude Code, but for  ..."

"and more people should be building them as  affordances. We use Notion all the time,   and I specifically use their meeting  recording. I think that's mostly the stack. Okay. That was really helpful  ..."

"Let's go back to ways that your team operates.  You mentioned having Kate. Was that her name? Yeah. Okay. What else? What else do you  do that you think other companies   should be doing or will event..."

"you end up spending a lot of time essentially  typing PRDs. Like, "Here's a document with   exactly the stuff that I need to do," right? And  so you could just be like, "Okay, cool. That's   my job no..."

"I think gets you a lot more  leverage in your engineering team.  And so, yeah, we have Kieran and Nityesh.  And Cora, it just became public. It was in   private beta. It had 2,500 active users. And  t..."

"That's an AI Asian product called Friday? Yeah yeah. Hadn't heard of that. Okay, interesting. There's another one called Charlie that they  really love. And in particular, I think the thing   they lik..."

"I think there really is. It's definitely  not one agent to rule them all at all. So interesting. Yeah. Oh, my God. The two people on the Cora team,   what's their background? Are they  both engineers ..."

"I had to go to Barnes and Noble and  buy a book and there was nothing...   I couldn't Google anything about  why this function wasn't working. No Stack Overflow even back then. Yeah, yeah. There wasn'..."

"I sat down with him and told him, okay, here's  how you tell a story. Here's how you think about   a headline. He recorded all of it, put it into a  prompt, and he never made the same mistake twice.  ..."

"So the workflow is they give it, here's what  I want. I refine it using this cool prompts   library that they build on and agents build  code, write the code. Then basically the time   is spent review..."

"how do we do engineering, all that kind of  stuff. And I think that's what makes the   writing... That's why I like doing that  is because the writing that we do from   that I think is really good bec..."

"you had to be able to learn both parts of  the stack. Same thing for C programmers,   when I guess in the seventies C was invented, it  was like you got to be able to write assembly.  And English is j..."

"down from that I think that you could do almost  now. So an example, we were talking about DIA,   the new AI browser from the browser  company. DIA has these things called skills,   which are effectiv..."

"Yeah. Okay. Is there any other way that you guys  operate that is really interesting that   might be worth sharing that helps you operate  really quickly, helps you do more with less? I mean, I would ..."

"lawyer but it would cost me like $25,000. Lawyers  are really expensive and there's a lot more   demand for those services than can be fulfilled  because they're so expensive. And what AI does   is it..."

"can be like, cool, I'm using using ChatGPT for  this. It's really useful for me. And you might   be one of the first people to really notice that.  And then because everybody that works at Every is   ..."

"That is really cool. What I'm hearing is GPT  wrappers are a good idea and are worth building. 100% thank you. GPT wrappers are amazing and  they've been much maligned for absolutely no   reason and p..."

"And so I've always been sort of hesitant to raise  a lot of money because I think it locks you into   having to be that serious thing that's totally  going for it. And there's lots of companies   that..."

"And we did the same thing for this recent  round where we raised up to 2 million from   Reid Hoffman and starting line VC. And we did  it as what I've been calling a sip seed round,   which is basical..."

"I love that you've kind of innovated a  new middle ground way of fundraising,   not bootstrap and not just regular VC. It's a  seed. And I love that this two... If I raised   50 million, it'd be like,..."

"a shape that works for me and that's different  from other people and we'll see how this goes. We'll revisit in a couple years. Seems like it's  going great from the outside. I'm going to ask   about ..."

"started to do that. This is pretty nascent. It's  probably been over the last six to nine months,   but it's a pretty big business now. It'll  probably double this year. Last year we   did about a mil..."

"with a lot of big hedge funds and PE firms and  big companies, all that kind of stuff. To your- Companies, all that kind of stuff. To your  second question, which is, "What separates   the good compan..."

"other really cool companies do is they're doing  weekly meetings where people share prompts and   share use cases. They do a weekly email to their  entire company, being like, "Okay, here are our   us..."

"Yeah. Amazing. And I especially love  this very simple heuristic of,   "If you're a CEO, uses ChatGPT or Claude,  or whatever daily, it's going to work out." Yeah. That is super cool. I know it's earl..."

"Maybe to close out our conversation, I want  to come back to this idea that you referenced,   but I want to spend a little more time on this,  which is this idea of the allocation economy. If   I unde..."

"skills. And those skills are not  broadly distributed right now,   but they will be in the future because it  will be so much cheaper to be a manager. And specifically, I was looking at the  article y..."

"This reminds me, I was talking to my personal  trainer that I'm trying out for a little bit,   and she said that she's a very big vision, kind  of high-level person, and not good at executing,   like ..."

"And I think that's actually exactly how I use it. [inaudible 01:28:55] Wow. It's an  extension of our brains already. Yeah. Last question. I was reading somewhere, where  you wrote that you stopped wr..."

"but I didn't know about that for a while. And so  early on at Every, it was growing really well,   because I was writing a lot, and Nathan was  writing a lot. And when I stopped writing,   the busines..."

"good for the business. And the more I've leaned  into that, doing the thing that ... If you told   anyone that you're starting a business, where  it's like, "Well, we're going to be a newsletter,   an..."

"I think this is going to hit hard with  a lot of people who are listening,   who are maybe founders or want to be founders,  and this resonates with a lot of people that have   been on this podcast sh..."