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Tom Brands: Iowa Wrestling | Lex Fridman Podcast #245

Tom Brands: Iowa Wrestling | Lex Fridman Podcast #245

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Tom Brands is an Olympic and World Champion in freestyle wrestling and the head wrestling coach at the University of Iowa. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - FightCamp: https://joinfightcamp.com/lex to get free shipping - InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/lex and use code Lex25 to get 25% off - ROKA: https://roka.com/ and use code LEX to get 20% off your first order - Theragun: https://therabody.com/lex to get 30 day trial - GiveWell: https://www.givewell.org/ and use code LEX to get donation matched up to $1k EPISODE LINKS: Tom's Twitter: https://twitter.com/tombrandshawk Hawkeyes' Website: https://hawkeyesports.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ Full episodes playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 Clips playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOeciFP3CBCIEElOJeitOr41 OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 2:00 - Motivation 16:00 - Mental toughness 20:28 - Weight cutting 22:16 - Olympic dreams 27:11 - 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta 30:16 - Brother 35:27 - Champion mindset 41:28 - Beyond limits 46:28 - Faith 47:58 - Family 52:03 - Brands vs Brands SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman

Segments Timeline

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0:00 - 2:00
2:00 duration306 words

The Heart of Iowa Wrestling

In this introduction, Lex Fridman sets the stage for his conversation with Tom Brands, an Olympic and World Champion in freestyle wrestling and head coach at the University of Iowa. He reflects on the significance of their meeting, the culture of Iowa wrestling, and the impact of the sport on character development. This segment highlights the intensity and kindness of Tom and his family, showcasing the spirit of American wrestling.

"the following is a conversation with tom brands olympic champion and world champion in freestyle wrestling three-time ncaa wrestling champion at university of iowa and one of the greatest coaches in t..."

2
2:00 - 4:43
2:43 duration510 words

Motivation: Hatred of Losing vs. Love of Winning

Tom Brands discusses the driving forces behind motivation for athletes, contrasting the hatred of losing with the love of winning. He shares personal anecdotes about his experiences, including a memorable moment after winning a gold medal at the 1996 Olympics. This segment emphasizes the importance of mental toughness and the relentless pursuit of excellence in wrestling.

"what's the best motivator for you or for your athletes hatred of losing or love of winning for me personally it was definitely the hatred of losing i was not a guy that was about pageantry i was not a..."

3
4:43 - 6:00
1:16 duration234 words

Lessons from Losses

In this segment, Tom reflects on the losses he has experienced throughout his wrestling career and the valuable lessons learned from them. He recounts a significant loss to John Smith in 1991, discussing how it taught him about positioning and the importance of perseverance. This segment highlights the growth mindset that comes from facing defeat.

"question you know i don't know how to answer that so there's no losses that just that eat at you still there's opponents that i have learned a great deal from i mean my loss to john smith in 1991 us o..."

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6:00 - 9:01
3:00 duration524 words

Training Philosophy: Relaxed Yet Disciplined

Tom Brands shares insights into his training philosophy, emphasizing the balance between hard work and relaxation. He reflects on his younger years and how he would approach training differently now, advocating for a more relaxed mindset while still maintaining discipline. This segment explores the evolution of training methods and the importance of recovery.

"knew that i this is what this is about and you know what you move your feet and you don't give up a lace that's so damn tight that it you can't you know feel your calf muscle you know and i got to get..."

5
9:01 - 12:24
3:23 duration648 words

The Value of Repetition in Wrestling

Tom discusses the critical role of repetition in mastering wrestling techniques. He contrasts the effectiveness of drilling specific techniques versus live wrestling, advocating for a disciplined approach to practice. This segment underscores the rarity of athletes who are willing to put in the extra effort beyond what is required, highlighting the importance of self-motivation in achieving success.

"won't do it anymore and so to learn wrestling it's more of a probably a relaxed approach so if you have to choose between two athletes who would dominate competition one who drills 100 000 reps of a s..."

6
12:24 - 13:24
0:59 duration206 words

Going Beyond Expectations

In this concluding segment, Tom Brands emphasizes the importance of exceeding expectations in training and competition. He encourages athletes to go beyond what their coaches ask and to take ownership of their development. This segment encapsulates the mindset necessary for success in wrestling and the drive to continuously improve.

"in my experience what i've seen uh communicating the value of repetition and drilling is a hard thing to communicate it's hard and it's very rare to have somebody that goes in there and will do it on ..."

7
13:02 - 14:01
0:58 duration195 words

Communication and Accountability

Brands emphasizes the role of communication in coaching, particularly in helping athletes understand their responsibilities and the importance of accountability. He believes that fostering an environment where athletes can express their needs and take ownership of their development is crucial for success.

"right i mean you could be a great guy for a for an a for a coach as an athlete and you did everything that coach asked but you did nothing more so you're really looking for the guys that go way beyond..."

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14:01 - 15:03
1:02 duration162 words

Direct Conversations for Growth

In this segment, Brands shares his approach to having direct conversations with athletes about accountability and performance. He stresses the importance of honesty and the need for athletes to recognize their own shortcomings in order to grow and improve.

"differently just let exactly so letting letting athletes uh be part of their own development communication to me is is is letting them know what their what they need to do to get themselves in content..."

9
15:03 - 16:10
1:07 duration227 words

Training Mental Toughness

Tom Brands discusses how to cultivate mental toughness in wrestlers by placing them in challenging situations that test their limits. He explains that mental toughness is developed through repetition, accountability, and the willingness to confront difficult circumstances head-on.

"that understanding and that's has to do with symptoms that you see in the wrestling room there's something where the father is not doing with mental emotional spiritual physical everything everything ..."

10
16:10 - 17:06
0:55 duration164 words

The Role of Discipline in Wrestling

Brands talks about the discipline required in wrestling, particularly during weight cutting. He explains that while the process can be uncomfortable, it is essential for success and emphasizes the importance of hydration and energy management during this challenging time.

"something that maybe you or maybe even iowa in general is a little bit known for so how do you train mental toughness as a coach you train metal toughness by putting them in situations that they're wi..."

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17:06 - 18:11
1:05 duration204 words

Understanding Weight Cutting

In this segment, Brands shares his insights on weight cutting, discussing the balance between discipline and comfort. He highlights the importance of proper nutrition and hydration, and how these factors contribute to an athlete's performance during competitions.

"better every day so mental toughness too is a matter of repetition so that's mental toughness it's a matter of repetition and having an open mind and being extremely accountable and and not only accou..."

12
18:11 - 19:19
1:08 duration232 words

The Mindset of Overtraining

Brands addresses the concept of overtraining and burnout, suggesting that these issues often stem from mental distractions rather than physical limitations. He emphasizes the need for athletes to maintain focus and commitment to their training regimen.

"think peaking and burnout are frames of mind or burnout as a is a like you let things probably get to the point where you could have arrested them with a good frame of mind but peaking is a frame of m..."

13
19:19 - 20:07
0:47 duration166 words

The Importance of Focus in Training

In this segment, Brands discusses the significance of maintaining focus during training sessions. He argues that distractions can hinder performance and that athletes should prioritize their training environment to achieve their best results.

"the thing is is we we have to accomplish what we need to get accomplished and get better every day you can't kind of accomplish what you need in companies you have to accomplish it and when when you'r..."

14
20:07 - 21:05
0:58 duration171 words

Discipline as a Lifestyle

Brands explains that wrestling is not just about making weight or showing up for matches; it's a lifestyle that requires ongoing discipline and commitment. He emphasizes the need for athletes to embrace this lifestyle to succeed in the sport.

"eternal the only thing that's eternal is death you know there's nothing sometimes guys come in there and they wig out oh it's an hour and 25 minutes and or an hour and 45 minutes oh yeah you have to b..."

15
21:05 - 22:02
0:56 duration179 words

The Journey to Olympic Gold

In this segment, Brands reflects on his journey to becoming an Olympic champion, sharing how his early experiences in wrestling shaped his mindset and dedication to the sport. He discusses the influence of competition with his twin brother and the drive to excel.

"once you break that sweat your energy depletion goes away that's a fact i've practiced that you come in and you're yawning and you're you know you're starting to shrink your body down and it's that ti..."

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22:02 - 23:00
0:58 duration183 words

The Twin Dynamic in Wrestling

Brands elaborates on the unique dynamic of competing with his twin brother, Terry. He describes how their rivalry fueled their passion for wrestling and contributed to their success, highlighting the absence of a dominant 'alpha' in their relationship.

"know it's not just go and show up for the match i mean it's not about just making weight either you got to be able to make weight that's part of the warm-up that's part of the process getting ready to..."

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23:00 - 24:12
1:11 duration231 words

The Early Signs of a Champion

In this closing segment, Brands recounts the pivotal moments in his childhood that ignited his passion for wrestling and his aspirations for Olympic glory. He shares a memorable incident that solidified his determination to succeed in the sport.

"both a lot of twins there's a dominant twin oh a lot of them very few times is there a situation where you're gonna i'm gonna win every time and everything and then he's thinking the same exact way an..."

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24:28 - 26:06
1:37 duration318 words

Fighting for Dreams

In this segment, Brands recounts a pivotal moment from his childhood when he faced ridicule for expressing his Olympic dreams. He emphasizes the emotional impact of doubt from others and how it fueled his determination to succeed. This narrative illustrates the significance of overcoming negativity and maintaining belief in oneself amidst adversity.

"and you know that was a lesson there's going to be a lot of doubters and one thing we talk about as a staff is our staff has to be lockstep in that hallway in our offices and when you deviate outside ..."

19
26:06 - 27:11
1:04 duration216 words

Unity in the Team

Tom discusses the importance of unity and confidence within his coaching staff and wrestling team. He stresses that everyone must be aligned in their goals and approach, highlighting the detrimental effects of discord. This segment underscores the necessity of a cohesive team environment for achieving success in competitive sports.

"rear end bad yeah and the thing is is we maintain a high level and there's very few programs so oklahoma state ohio state now penn state i mean there's four programs that try to win a national title e..."

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27:11 - 28:40
1:28 duration263 words

Preparing for the Olympic Finals

Brands reflects on his routine and mental preparation leading up to the 1996 Olympic finals. He shares insights into his self-talk and visualization techniques that helped him stay focused and relaxed. This segment provides a glimpse into the psychological strategies elite athletes use to perform under pressure.

"1996 olympic games in atlanta can you take me through the day when you're going for the 62kg what did you eat drink what did you think oh it really doesn't matter um i have a routine that you know i h..."

21
28:40 - 30:15
1:35 duration298 words

The Fear of Losing

In this segment, Tom Brands discusses the role of fear in competition, particularly the fear of losing. He draws parallels to boxing and explains how this fear can be a powerful motivator. Brands emphasizes the importance of channeling fear into a drive for success rather than allowing it to hinder performance.

"you're right that is the hardest bracket i've seen so i've talked to a lot of olympic champions this is the hardest bracket i've seen of any champion so uh maybe i'm confused on this but it seemed lik..."

22
30:15 - 31:57
1:41 duration298 words

The Thin Line Between Winning and Losing

Brands contemplates the razor-thin margin that separates victory from defeat at the Olympic level. He reflects on his and his brother Terry's careers, discussing how fleeting moments can define a lifetime of work. This segment highlights the psychological and emotional complexities athletes face in high-stakes competitions.

"your identical twin brother terry you've been adam like you said your whole life and you're both some of the greatest wrestlers of all time you won the gold medal he won the bronze medal you've mentio..."

23
31:57 - 33:11
1:13 duration202 words

Lessons from Competition

Tom shares insights on how experiences of winning and losing shape athletes' careers and coaching philosophies. He discusses the importance of learning from both successes and failures, emphasizing that true growth comes from understanding and overcoming challenges. This segment encapsulates the essence of resilience in sports.

"can communicate so what control is there can you control everything how big of a role is luck control how you react to an injury control that so you can't you don't have any control over it it's over ..."

24
33:11 - 35:26
2:14 duration389 words

The Balance of Success and Improvement

In the final segment, Brands addresses the challenge of maintaining a growth mindset even after achieving success. He explains the importance of continuous improvement and the ability to learn from victories as if they were losses. This discussion highlights the complexity of athlete psychology and the pursuit of excellence.

"by the way yeah but do you see the the shakespearean tragedy of it all that uh the line between winning and losing so you'd often say that you know winning is everything but it feels like especially a..."

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35:26 - 36:07
0:41 duration106 words

Individual Champions vs. Team Success

Tom Brands explains the philosophy behind developing individual champions within the Iowa wrestling program. He discusses the need for each wrestler to contribute to the team's overall success, emphasizing that a strong team requires contributions from all weight classes. Brands reflects on the challenges faced since 2010 and the importance of pride and commitment in achieving team goals.

"it's a balance you often talk about iowa's focus on creating individual champions like spencer lee can you explain the philosophy of focusing on individuals versus the team i think that we need to put..."

26
36:07 - 37:30
1:23 duration196 words

The Brutal Honesty of Winning

Brands confronts the harsh reality of competition, where only one can emerge victorious. He discusses the discomfort that comes with this truth and how it shapes the mentality of wrestlers. By referencing the experiences of legendary wrestlers, he highlights the importance of finding personal peace with results while acknowledging that not every athlete thrives under the same mindset.

"you know where the coach is on top of it and you know you're not just working on the easy things the glaring things you're working on everything what do you mean by everything so the like there's just..."

27
37:30 - 39:01
1:30 duration263 words

Harnessing Anger in Wrestling

In this segment, Brands explores the role of anger in wrestling, discussing the fine line between using it as a motivational tool and maintaining sportsmanship. He emphasizes the importance of adhering to the rules of the sport while channeling passion and intensity during matches. Brands shares insights on how to cultivate a competitive spirit without crossing ethical boundaries.

"i don't think that that's a bad thing to have that mentality i mean i think a kudukov i remember a story i read about him he comes to mind um you know sargosh i remember when he lost in london and i r..."

28
39:01 - 40:30
1:29 duration272 words

The Legacy of Iowa Wrestling

Tom Brands reflects on the legacy and reputation of Iowa wrestling, discussing the program's impact on the sport. He shares personal anecdotes from his coaching career, emphasizing the seriousness and dedication required to succeed. Brands highlights the unique challenges faced by the Iowa program and the respect it commands within the wrestling community.

"can get dinged for points you can get thrown out of tournaments there's rules with um flagrant misconduct where you're kicked out of the match other team gets the points and then you have to sit the n..."

29
40:30 - 42:15
1:44 duration305 words

Pushing Limits in Wrestling

Brands shares his thoughts on pushing physical and mental limits in wrestling, referencing legendary figures like Dan Gable. He discusses the concept of reaching a 'nirvana' state during competition, where athletes can perform at their peak. Brands emphasizes the importance of balance and relaxation in achieving optimal performance while acknowledging the intensity of the sport.

"intimidating there's a legend to john smith it's the same thing but they can't up for john smith they get up for oklahoma state they get up for penn state my question is okay i'll answer it this way i..."

30
42:15 - 44:59
2:44 duration465 words

Wrestling as a Universal Sport

In this segment, Brands discusses the unique nature of wrestling as a sport that transcends physical limitations. He highlights its accessibility, even for individuals with disabilities, and the profound personal growth it can foster. Brands emphasizes the value of wrestling beyond competition, focusing on the internal battles athletes face and the lessons learned through the sport.

"of you know either you you could go all day long and it doesn't you have to you have to shoot me to stop me yeah but there's a balance because you're not going hard with and holding your breath it's n..."

31
44:59 - 46:59
1:59 duration364 words

The Future of Iowa Wrestling

Tom Brands outlines the future vision for Iowa wrestling, including plans for a state-of-the-art facility. He discusses the excitement surrounding the program and the importance of maintaining focus amidst the buzz. Brands emphasizes the need for continuous improvement and accountability among athletes to ensure the program's success in the coming years.

"so what's the future of iowa wrestling look like with this facility and this momentum you have now and this great group of guys you have now we have a good young group of guys and um you know there is..."

32
46:45 - 47:30
0:44 duration118 words

Faith and Control

Tom Brands reflects on his faith and how it guides him in wrestling and life. He talks about the importance of surrendering control over uncontrollable aspects and finding peace through faith, which helps him maintain a competitive edge.

"the biggest thing for me is i gotta turn over the things that i can't control turn them over to that power and i'm gonna be a lot better off and that's the reason why i'm not in the funny farm because..."

33
47:30 - 48:30
1:00 duration161 words

The Role of Family in Wrestling

Brands discusses the integral role of family in the wrestling program at Iowa. He highlights the supportive culture among parents and the importance of direct communication to foster accountability and success for the athletes.

"platform it's not it's not doing this for my ego we're not corrupt people we're not liars and cheaters and so often uh that gets in the way of a decent person yeah first and foremost you're a good per..."

34
48:30 - 49:30
1:00 duration175 words

Building a Supportive Culture

In this segment, Brands elaborates on the culture of support within the Iowa wrestling program, including the involvement of coaches and families. He emphasizes the importance of teamwork and community in achieving success.

"our program we have great parents we have a culture of parents that that's part of the buzz and this class that you see wrestling right now that's been here a year now lee mirin costello warner and th..."

35
49:30 - 50:30
1:00 duration158 words

Thanksgiving with the Team

Tom Brands shares a heartwarming story about hosting a Thanksgiving dinner for the wrestling team and their families. He illustrates the sense of community and togetherness that defines the Iowa wrestling program.

"problems like i talked about earlier that's part of the family the other part of the family is the coaches are like family the other part of the family is the coaches significant others and wives are ..."

36
50:30 - 51:30
1:00 duration160 words

The Importance of Commitment

Brands discusses the commitment from the athletic department and the importance of having a supportive administration. He highlights how this commitment is crucial for the success of the wrestling program and the athletes.

"it's from the restless to the family it goes back to what i said earlier about our people our people are great ryan morty star is great bobby telford is great bobby telford took over for a guy named b..."

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51:30 - 52:30
1:00 duration167 words

Sibling Rivalry in Sports

In a light-hearted moment, Brands recounts a humorous story about competing against his brother Terry in swimming. He reflects on the competitive spirit and sibling rivalry that extends beyond wrestling.

"to address it quickly and those outliers you know let's solve that problem let's get it out in the open here right and if there you know if it doesn't work out it's not going to work out that's a heck..."

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52:30 - 54:52
2:21 duration463 words

Lessons from Competition

Tom Brands concludes with reflections on competition and accountability, sharing insights about his experiences and the lessons learned from both victories and defeats. He emphasizes the importance of honesty and integrity in sports.

"flinch on that starter block it's a false start you can't twitch a finger and because they would be doing that to get their buddy to move or the guy next to him you know so you have to be rock solid w..."