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Mohammed El-Kurd passionately argues against the moral justification of violence and displacement in Palestine. He emphasizes that no one has the right to slaughter people or remove them from their homes, highlighting the ongoing suffering in Gaza and the West Bank. This segment sets the stage for understanding the humanitarian crisis faced by Palestinians.
"regardless of whatever was written in these books that were written thousands and thousands of years ago the fact of the matter is no one has a right to go on slaughtering people removing them from th..."
El-Kurd shares his personal experiences growing up in Sheikh Jarrah, a neighborhood in East Jerusalem. He describes the historical context of his family's displacement during the Nakba in 1948 and the ongoing threats of colonialism and forced expulsion. This segment provides a poignant insight into the lived realities of Palestinians in contested areas.
"tell me about Sheikh jarah the neighborhood in East Jerusalem where you grew up in a way a typical neighborhood despite the despite the Absurd reality the surrounds it it's a typical neighborhood in t..."
In this segment, El-Kurd discusses the legal battles faced by Palestinian families in Israeli courts. He highlights the systemic bias against Palestinians, where their documents are often ignored, and the courts favor Israeli settlers. This underscores the political nature of the conflict, framing it as a struggle for justice rather than a mere real estate dispute.
"you know we had no real pull in the courts the Israeli courts would look at the Israeli documents which we argue are falsifies and fabricated um and they would take them at face value without authenti..."
El-Kurd recounts the traumatic events of 2009 when his neighbors were violently expelled from their homes. He describes the brutality of the Israeli military and settlers, illustrating the harsh realities of life under occupation. This segment captures the emotional weight of displacement and the impact on community cohesion.
"got over 50 expulsion orders in 2009 rifle wielding settlers accompanied by police and Israeli military came over and shoved our neighbors outside of their home around 5 a.m it's like it was the most ..."
Reflecting on his activism, El-Kurd shares how he and his family launched a campaign to raise awareness about the injustices faced by Palestinians. He emphasizes the importance of demystifying the narrative around evictions, framing them as acts of colonialism rather than legal disputes. This segment highlights the power of grassroots movements in challenging dominant narratives.
"began with uh on camera recorded we're not related but we live on the same street in the same neighborhood she was thrown out of her home her husband an elderly man also named was pronounced dead on t..."
El-Kurd discusses the impact of international attention on the eviction orders faced by his family. He explains how global awareness led to the Israeli Supreme Court canceling eviction orders, marking a significant moment in their struggle. This segment illustrates the potential for collective action to influence political outcomes.
"following decade this was I was still a child and I had broken English and I was talking to all of these diplomats and all these journalists who would you know subjugate me um to their subject me to t..."
In this segment, El-Kurd provides context about Jerusalem, explaining its significance and the demographics of its Palestinian residents. He emphasizes the historical connection of Palestinians to the land and the ongoing challenges they face under Israeli occupation. This segment deepens the understanding of the geopolitical complexities in the region.
"global success and I believe it was a global success because finally the the images on the screen matched the rhetoric that was being said it wasn't so confusing or complicated anymore all of this asy..."
El-Kurd critiques the legal framework governing evictions in Jerusalem, arguing that legality does not equate to morality. He discusses the systemic discrimination faced by Palestinians in the judicial system, highlighting the challenges of seeking justice in an asymmetrical power dynamic. This segment raises critical questions about the nature of law and justice.
"region with the evictions with the courts so first of all shakes your eyes in East Jerusalem maybe you can say what is Jerusalem where is it located what are we talking about in terms of regionally an..."
El-Kurd explains the precarious status of Palestinians in Jerusalem, who are often classified as mere residents without citizenship rights. He shares the historical context of this status and its implications for Palestinian identity and rights. This segment sheds light on the bureaucratic obstacles faced by Palestinians in their own homeland.
"we have no other option um we're talking we're talking about how we're talking about Jerusalem we're talking about generations and generations and generations of people who have lived there for the lo..."
El-Kurd critiques how media narratives often misrepresent the realities of Palestinian life, particularly regarding home demolitions and evictions. He highlights the lack of context in reporting and the biases that shape public perception. This segment emphasizes the importance of accurate representation in media.
"what these headlines don't tell you and even sometimes most of the time the substance doesn't tell you that Palestinians seldom ever get building permit applications um in fact recently a spokesperson..."
In this segment, El-Kurd discusses the influence of settler activists in the Israeli government and their role in shaping policies that affect Palestinians. He provides examples of how these individuals advocate for further displacement and violence against Palestinian communities. This segment underscores the political dimensions of settler colonialism.
"cave dweller Palestinians have lived for Generations they have cultivated the land um and recently they were expelled from their homes over a thousand people were expelled from their remote small vill..."
El-Kurd reflects on the systemic hate embedded in policies against Palestinians. He argues that the actions of the Israeli government and judiciary reflect a broader culture of racism and discrimination. This segment challenges listeners to confront the realities of hate in institutional practices.
"specifically and explicitly discriminates against them so again it's technically legal the evictions and the demolitions yeah so was Jim Crow was legal also you know when something is legal it can als..."
El-Kurd introduces the Nakba, or 'catastrophe,' which refers to the mass displacement of Palestinians in 1948. He outlines the historical significance of this event and its lasting impact on Palestinian identity and rights. This segment provides essential historical context for understanding the current situation.
"that's hateful so I don't need you know confirmation this is something we see a lot actually you know um Palestinians and people who are pro-palestine and just people who want to make a difference in ..."
El-Kurd explains the Nakba, or 'catastrophe,' which marks the displacement of Palestinians in 1948. He argues that this event was not an isolated incident but a crystallization of a long-standing Zionist enterprise. The segment details the atrocities committed during this period and the ongoing impact on Palestinian society, illustrating the historical context of current struggles.
"don't need this because the material proof is on the ground you see it in the policies that are enacted you see it um in how the country how this regime has behaved for the past 75 years I don't need ..."
In this segment, El-Kurd shares personal anecdotes from his grandmother about the Nakba, emphasizing the human cost of displacement. He recounts harrowing stories of panic and loss, illustrating the emotional and psychological scars that persist in Palestinian communities today. This narrative connects historical events to contemporary realities.
"nakba and you see it in in you see it in silangi state and Hebron and all of these people losing their homes and in many cases time and time again you know I grew up and my grandmother told me the sto..."
El-Kurd discusses the Balfour Declaration and its implications for Palestine, arguing that it facilitated the colonization of Palestinian land. He critiques the historical narrative that erases Palestinian existence and highlights the racist ideologies that underpinned early Zionist thought. This segment provides a critical examination of the roots of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
"it's happening and it has happened in in broad daylight um one piece of context for The Listener who doesn't who is not familiar with the knuckleberry is developer declaration which was a promise quot..."
El-Kurd explores the historical context of Zionism, emphasizing that many early Zionist leaders were not religious. He argues that framing the conflict as purely religious oversimplifies the complex socio-political dynamics at play. This segment challenges common misconceptions about the motivations behind Zionism and its impact on Palestinians.
"recommend is the 100 year the Hundred Years War on Palestine um that's the you know traces the Zionist movement oftentimes in designists own words um and so today what we're seeing is a continuation a..."
In this segment, El-Kurd addresses the conflation of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, critiquing this narrative as a political tool. He argues that opposing a colonialist movement should not be equated with hatred towards Jewish people. This discussion highlights the complexities of identity and politics in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
"celebration um so this is Zionism it's not even through my own words what he said to people that describe Israel as having a historical right to the land so if you stretch out across decades but acros..."
El-Kurd emphasizes the importance of recognizing humanity in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He argues that the policies enacted against Palestinians reflect a broader inability to see their humanity. This segment calls for a deeper understanding of the emotional and ethical dimensions of the conflict.
"keep an entire population of people in a cage which is what's happening to people in the West Bank who have no freedom of of movement which is what's happening in Gaza which is blockaded to water air ..."
El-Kurd discusses the role of anger in the Palestinian struggle for dignity and freedom. He argues that anger is a natural response to oppression and can fuel resistance movements. This segment highlights the psychological aspects of living under occupation and the importance of emotional responses in the fight for justice.
"this is also a human story yeah and uh I feel like at the core of the situation here is um hate is or maybe inability for some group of humans to see the humanity in another group of humans and so it'..."
In this segment, El-Kurd reflects on the dignity found in resisting oppression. He draws parallels between the Palestinian experience and other historical struggles against injustice, emphasizing the importance of standing up against dehumanization. This discussion reinforces the idea that resistance is rooted in a desire for dignity and recognition.
"most of us you know we're very hospitable um we're very hospitable even like in the early early correspondence between the mayor of Jerusalem and herzl who wrote the Jewish State you know the generosi..."
El-Kurd shares his experiences as a young advocate for Palestinian rights, discussing the challenges faced when engaging with political systems. He critiques the reliance on youth to represent Palestinian voices in spaces where they are often marginalized. This segment highlights the complexities of advocacy and the need for genuine representation.
"particularly successful because it was honest to what was happening on the ground because it refused to follow the strategy that we have used in our advocacy before where we shrink ourselves and we tu..."
El-Kurd identifies the real sources of anger in the Palestinian experience, focusing on systemic oppression and violence. He argues that the anger directed at the oppressor is justified and necessary for action. This segment challenges the narrative that frames anger as irrational, instead presenting it as a legitimate response to injustice.
"who will not threaten um and who will not you know trigger the biases they have against Muslims and Arab people which Palestinians even though we're not all Muslim are racialized as Muslim um and this..."
El-Kurd critiques the framing of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a religious war, arguing that this narrative obscures the real issues at hand. He emphasizes that the conflict is rooted in land and power dynamics rather than religious beliefs. This segment encourages a reevaluation of how the conflict is understood and discussed.
"fuel for Action absolutely and it has been throughout throughout history it has been how much of this tension is religious in the Practical aspects of the courts and the the evictions and the demoliti..."
In this segment, El-Kurd discusses the distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism, challenging the notion that opposing Zionism equates to hatred of Jewish people. He critiques the political motivations behind this conflation and emphasizes the need for a nuanced understanding of the issues. This discussion sheds light on the complexities of identity and political discourse.
"anti-Semitism of course he said that do you disagree absolutely I disagree what's the gap between um anti-zionism and anti-Semitism those who are against the policies of uh Israel versus those who are..."
In this segment, El-Kurd critiques the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for its historical actions and current role in policing narratives around anti-Semitism. He argues that the ADL's practices often undermine the fight against real hate while perpetuating a narrative that stifles Palestinian advocacy.
"it has been used as a muzzle to silence political opposition um and this stifle political advocacy for the liberation of Palestine and a lot of the time people get caught up in denouncing it and in ju..."
El-Kurd explores the concept of violence in the context of resistance, questioning the double standards applied to Palestinian actions compared to other global conflicts. He argues that the framing of resistance is often influenced by power dynamics and media narratives.
"training uh Department in the country where they train police and uh racial profiling and militarism the fact that they have historically and continued to have engaged in surveillance on on Black Libe..."
El-Kurd critiques the notion of non-violent resistance as a strategy for Palestinians, arguing that historical compromises have not led to peace. He emphasizes the need for a more assertive approach to advocacy and resistance against ongoing oppression.
"people about that there's also uh anti-jewish anti-Semitism sentiment in the United States but also throughout human history what do you make about this kind of um fact of human nature that people see..."
In this segment, El-Kurd identifies key obstacles to peaceful coexistence between Israelis and Palestinians, including systemic occupation and discriminatory policies. He advocates for justice through recognition, return, and redistribution as essential steps toward peace.
"I don't know condemnable you know rotten racist horrible human being that belongs in the depths of Hell obviously that's that goes without without saying but I am allowed um analogy and I'm allowed to..."
El-Kurd discusses the right of return for Palestinian refugees, emphasizing its importance for justice and identity. He shares personal anecdotes about his family's history and the impact of displacement on Palestinian lives.
"you know maybe Netanyahu can send me a manual he's happy with you know so you've spoken about the taking of homes the IDF uh killing civilians killing children uh what about the violence going the oth..."
El-Kurd describes the physical and emotional impact of the separation wall in Palestine, illustrating how it disrupts lives and communities. He shares a poignant story about families torn apart by the wall, highlighting the absurdity of their situation.
"that we we should continue living these in inside these enclaves um without access to clean water without access to to the right to movement without access to building permits without our natural righ..."
In this segment, El-Kurd explains the various legal classifications imposed on Palestinians, which create divisions and complicate their identities. He discusses the challenges faced by different groups within Palestinian society due to these classifications.
"you know we sell out tickets about it we make games about it but if it's without a uniform it's if it has a thick accent if it has a beard you know that's that's condemnable that's wrong that's terror..."
El-Kurd reflects on the resilience of the Palestinian people despite systemic oppression and fragmentation. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining national identity and the ongoing struggle for justice and liberation.
"effective for the Palestinian people we've turned the other cheek uh generation after generation there is this Zionist Trope that that is used against us they say Palestinian rejectionism they say tha..."
Mohammed El-Kurd discusses the stark differences in mobility and rights between Palestinians with different IDs. He highlights the severe restrictions faced by those in the West Bank, including the inability to move freely due to military checkpoints and settlements, and the dire living conditions in Gaza, which he describes as an open-air prison. This segment emphasizes the fragmentation of Palestinian identity and the ongoing struggle against colonial barriers.
"Visa because you have an Israeli citizenship but you know they battle National and race or they battle um crime in their own communities because of police negligence they they battle land conference l..."
El-Kurd reflects on the impressive resilience of the Palestinian people in maintaining their national identity despite 70 years of oppression and violence. He argues that the ongoing violence and military actions against Palestinian communities only serve to strengthen their resolve to fight for their rights and dignity. This segment underscores the deep-rooted connection between identity and resistance in the Palestinian experience.
"so forth who routinely get bombarded every few years um is like two hours away from my house it feels like an absolute far away planet because it's so isolated from the rest of the country so imagine ..."
In this segment, El-Kurd discusses the cycle of violence in the West Bank, particularly in Jenin, where military incursions have led to civilian casualties and destruction. He recounts the traumatic experiences of Palestinians during these raids and emphasizes that violence begets violence, arguing that the Israeli military's actions only perpetuate further resistance and suffering among the Palestinian population.
"violence cracking down on refugee camps bombarding refugee camps is only going to bring about more violence so West Bank is a large region where a lot of Palestinian people live and then there are set..."
El-Kurd shares a poignant story about the historical displacement of Palestinians, linking past events in Haifa to current experiences in Jenin. He highlights the ongoing trauma of forced displacement and the impact of military actions on Palestinian families. This segment illustrates the deep historical roots of the Palestinian struggle and the continuity of their fight against oppression.
"refugee camp and um those who stood on the left side of the street were forced to board uh boats that took them to Lebanon to become refugee camps refugees there last month we saw the Israeli Army inv..."
El-Kurd critiques the media's portrayal of violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, arguing that it often fails to acknowledge the context of occupation. He discusses the double standards in how violence is perceived and reported, particularly regarding Palestinian resistance. This segment calls for a more nuanced understanding of the complexities surrounding violence and resistance in the region.
"continue to live is is unbearable I mean in my case my grandmother was removed from her home in Haifa in 48 and then she moved from Sydney City and then in 2009 she saw half of her home taken over by ..."
In this segment, El-Kurd emphasizes that the violence in Palestine is a direct result of the ongoing occupation. He argues that the Israeli military's presence in Palestinian territories is illegal and that the violence inflicted upon Palestinians is a response to their oppression. This discussion highlights the critical need to understand the root causes of conflict in the region.
"article is a little bit more uh you know careful than other than other media that came out recently about Janine I think you know I was listening to our Reuters radio show and they failed to ever ment..."
El-Kurd articulates the Palestinian struggle as one of survival rather than aggression. He discusses how the Palestinian people are often mischaracterized as violent, while their actions are rooted in a desperate need to defend their existence against a powerful military. This segment sheds light on the human aspect of resistance and the moral complexities involved.
"you know the thousands of Israeli soldiers that raided the camp that day that traumatized an entire generation they think they will quell that generation they think that with such Bloodshed and such b..."
El-Kurd addresses the glaring double standards in how violence is perceived in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He contrasts the glorification of violence by Israeli forces with the demonization of Palestinian resistance. This segment critiques societal narratives that normalize violence from one side while condemning it from the other.
"they don't do this because you know of machismo or because of uh heroic Tendencies it's because this is about survival so the degree there's violence it's about survival absolutely absolutely I think ..."
In this segment, El-Kurd discusses the media's role in shaping public perception of the conflict. He highlights how narratives often focus on individual acts of violence by Palestinians while ignoring the broader context of military occupation. This critique emphasizes the need for responsible journalism that accurately represents the complexities of the situation.
"even need to linger on it well the double standard is glaring but I also think the glorification of violence is questionable there's a balance to be struck of course but yeah I mean I don't what I don..."
El-Kurd provides insights into the complexities of Palestinian governance, discussing the roles of Hamas and the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). He reflects on the disconnect between these entities and the Palestinian people, emphasizing that neither truly represents the interests of the population. This segment explores the challenges of leadership in the context of occupation.
"the line it says a lot it says a lot about whose violence is normalized is accepted is institutionalized is glorified event right yeah and you walk around Tel Aviv and you see all of the plaques plast..."
El-Kurd analyzes the power dynamics between the Israeli government and Palestinian leadership, suggesting that both Hamas and the PLO are constrained by the overarching Israeli occupation. He argues that the real power lies with the Israeli state, which controls the situation on the ground. This segment highlights the complexities of governance and resistance in an occupied territory.
"a cage that they have no access to clean water they have no access to basic rights no access to uh Imports no access to anything that they can't leave they're living in a densely populated Enclave tha..."
In this concluding segment, El-Kurd reflects on the future of Palestinian resistance and the ongoing struggle for justice. He emphasizes the need for a broader understanding of Palestinian humanity beyond the narratives of victimhood and violence. This discussion calls for solidarity and recognition of the Palestinian people's rights and aspirations.
"a full spectrum of humanity which in includes raids which includes uh the sustain which includes happiness and joy and laughter which includes celebration which includes um all of these things but we'..."
Mohammed El-Kurd discusses the complex power dynamics between Hamas, the PLO, and the Israeli government. He critiques the incentives for violence among those in power and expresses concern that neither Hamas nor the PLO genuinely prioritize peace or justice for the Palestinian people. El-Kurd emphasizes the need to focus on those who truly hold power in the situation.
"um again I don't think it's like the best strategy moving forward but I refuse you know to be uh you know criminalized for a little sentence but to linger on those in power so one of the criticisms to..."
In this segment, El-Kurd reflects on the governance capabilities of Hamas and the PLO, questioning their legitimacy and effectiveness. He argues that the real power lies with the Israeli government, which controls the situation on the ground, and critiques the notion that Hamas is equipped to govern effectively. He envisions a world beyond the current state of power hierarchies.
"these two entities virtually have no power even Hamas um Yani there is you know the the context that Hamas is permitted through by international law uh to use armed resistance blah blah blah does that..."
El-Kurd shares his vision for a world that transcends borders and militarization, expressing hope for a future without violence. He acknowledges the intrinsic nature of violence and power struggles in humanity but believes in the possibility of moving beyond them. This segment captures his desire for a peaceful existence free from the constraints of nation-states.
"well the you know how do you do a better world they actually if you just Linger on that like what the politically speaking geopolitically you have to have representation of the people you have to have..."
El-Kurd discusses the feasibility of a one-state solution versus a two-state solution in the context of Palestine and Israel. He argues that the geography and current realities make a two-state solution impractical and emphasizes the need for land restitution and the return of refugees as part of any future solution.
"definitely definitely well if we look a little bit more short term people speak about a one-state solution a two-state solution what is your hope here for um for this part of the world do do you see a..."
In this segment, El-Kurd addresses the concept of existential threats faced by Israel, critiquing the narrative used by the Israeli government to justify military actions. He argues that the real insecurities faced by Palestinians are often overlooked and emphasizes the need for a more nuanced understanding of security in the region.
"is like a possible situation for two people to live side by side let's ask two questions let's say you you lived in a house with a person your roommate you just had a roommate who constantly beat the ..."
El-Kurd highlights the injustices faced by Palestinians, including the killing of civilians and the lack of accountability for Israeli forces. He critiques the Israeli military's narrative of self-defense and discusses the broader implications of these actions on the Palestinian population, emphasizing the need for recognition of these injustices.
"uptick many of them leave and I wonder I would like to see I wonder what would happen in on state solution well okay so you've spoken eloquently about the Injustice of the evictions the demolitions th..."
El-Kurd critiques the fear-mongering tactics used by the Israeli government to justify military actions and expand its power. He discusses the historical context of these narratives and their impact on the Palestinian struggle for liberation, arguing that the focus should be on addressing the injustices faced by Palestinians rather than perpetuating cycles of violence.
"anybody can just walk into my house and this is just and I'm lucky and privileged as a Palestinian journalist there are many Palestinian journalists who lose their lives this is like that's real insec..."
In this segment, El-Kurd articulates his vision for Palestinian liberation, emphasizing the need to end the ongoing injustices and atrocities faced by his community. He argues against the notion of ethnic cleansing and stresses the importance of recognizing the rights of Palestinians to their land and homes.
"we're scared of you know it's like fear-mongering what do you mean any who has the nukes some of it is fear-mongering but uh some of it is true I don't think it's true I don't think it's true I think ..."
El-Kurd discusses the possibility of coexistence between Israelis and Palestinians, emphasizing that it should not come at the expense of justice for Palestinians. He critiques the idea of Jewish supremacy and advocates for a future where all people can live without fear and discrimination, highlighting the need for a balanced approach to justice.
"the Palestinian people meaning how many people are there that want Israel to be gone but what does it mean for Israel to be gone uh what it means is for people who think of Israel as an occupier who s..."
El-Kurd outlines his priorities for Palestinian liberation, focusing on the immediate needs of refugees and those suffering under occupation. He argues that the concerns of settlers are secondary to the urgent need for justice and restitution for Palestinians, emphasizing the importance of addressing the root causes of the conflict.
"all of this other stuff about what happens to the settlers and like uh you know we want to kill all Jews and all of this I think it's bullshit and I think it's ridiculous and I think you know um fixat..."
In this closing segment, El-Kurd shares his vision for a peaceful Jerusalem, reflecting on the historical coexistence of different communities before the establishment of the Israeli state. He emphasizes the need for a future where all people can live together harmoniously, free from the divisions and conflicts that currently plague the region.
"the least of my concerns do you want the low hanging fruit the obvious injustices to end yeah but still the long-term vision of existential survival of a of Israel which is the concern of its governme..."
Mohammed El-Kurd discusses the tragic case of a disabled Palestinian man shot by an Israeli soldier, highlighting the systemic injustices within the Israeli military and judicial system. He critiques the Israeli Supreme Court's complicity in upholding these injustices, emphasizing the irony of protests in Tel Aviv aimed at preserving a court that perpetuates oppression against Palestinians.
"again Israeli military has no business being there or jurisdiction whatsoever he was shot and killed by an Israeli soldier who was trigger happy because again again they have this like um Siege mental..."
El-Kurd critiques the perception of the Israeli Supreme Court as a progressive institution, arguing that it actively participates in the oppression of Palestinians. He points out the court's role in legalizing the withholding of Palestinian bodies and dispossessing entire villages, revealing the limited political spectrum in Israel that hinders a vision for peace.
"Palestinians be it you know legalizing and upholding the withholding of slain Palestinian bodies who were killed by the Israeli military to be used as bargaining trips with Israeli militaries be it ma..."
In this segment, El-Kurd reflects on the historical coexistence of diverse communities in Jerusalem before the establishment of the Israeli state. He challenges the narrative that frames the conflict as a religious war, advocating for a return to a more inclusive vision of Jerusalem that acknowledges its rich, multicultural history.
"Israeli Supreme Court so they're like the real the the real tension that exists is the lack of diversity on the Israeli political spectrum that makes the vision for a future so limited because those o..."
El-Kurd emphasizes the importance of understanding Palestine's history, countering the narrative that it was barren before Israeli settlement. He shares personal anecdotes about his grandmother's experiences with Jewish neighbors, advocating for a nuanced understanding of Palestinian history that recognizes the coexistence of different communities.
"Jerusalem looks like with a peaceful coexistence of people you know as it looked like before before the Israeli State emerged I mean we should be reading our history here um when you read like Europea..."
El-Kurd discusses how the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been framed as a religious war, arguing that it is a manufactured conflict driven by European settlers with political agendas. He critiques the role of Christian Zionism and the historical actions taken to encourage Jewish migration to Israel, highlighting the complexities of the situation.
"Hundred Years War on Palestine it's it's really an excellent synopsis of the history but this whole idea that this is like some kind of war between two religions is so misleading because what's happen..."
In this segment, El-Kurd explains the implications of the land registry process in Israel, which threatens Palestinian property rights. He describes the challenges faced by Palestinians in proving land ownership and the fear of losing homes due to biased legal frameworks that disregard historical documents.
"theory I know it sounds absurd and and you know anytime I like look at my my life from a bird's eye view I think what a circus but it's but it's real and it's it's verifiable Yanni call the fact sucke..."
El-Kurd shares his experiences with the Israeli legal system, likening it to a game of broken telephone due to language barriers and systemic biases. He discusses the importance of building global campaigns to raise awareness and the challenges of seeking justice in a court system perceived as unjust.
"um and that sounds great on the surface but then you look at Israeli law you look at Israeli courts you look at ownership and you see that oh Israelis refuse to authenticate or take into consideration..."
El-Kurd highlights the significance of international solidarity and grassroots movements in advocating for Palestinian rights. He emphasizes the impact of public pressure on global politics and the necessity of amplifying Palestinian voices in the media to effect change.
"fact that they just refuse to look at land ownership documents what is the process of the fighting this in the course look like if you can maybe just comment on it so there's I always make a joke with..."
El-Kurd critiques the United States' role in perpetuating the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through military aid and political support for Israel. He questions the interests of American taxpayers in funding foreign conflicts and discusses the disconnect between public opinion and political actions in Washington.
"our case in our case it was the International Community but in our case also it wasn't just the International Community it was like the hundreds of thousands of people in Palestine and abroad who are ..."
El-Kurd reflects on the impact of Ghassan Kanafani, a prominent Palestinian writer and activist, on the Palestinian liberation movement. He discusses Kanafani's insights into the challenges faced by Palestinians and the relevance of his ideas in contemporary struggles for justice.
"I think it's so impressive you know that we were able to do this without any media backing without any institutional backing without any training without without any budget nothing you mentioned the U..."
In this segment, El-Kurd analyzes Kanafani's identification of three principal threats to the Palestinian nationalist movement: local leadership, regional regimes, and imperialist forces. He connects these historical insights to current political dynamics in the region, emphasizing the ongoing challenges faced by Palestinians.
"are politicians who care more about maintaining a relationship with the Israeli regime that they care about their own districts you've tweeted that 49 years ago gassan kind of funny you can maybe corr..."
El-Kurd discusses the role of culture and literature in shaping Palestinian identity and resistance. He reflects on Kanafani's legacy as a writer and activist, emphasizing the need for cultural expression as a means of political struggle and public consciousness.
"and also could you comment on him as a person yeah I mean what's the kind of funny is a brilliant uh brilliant brilliant writer and uh he was prolific he's authored so much books even though he was as..."
El-Kurd shares his perspective on the significance of using language and literature to advocate for Palestinian rights. He acknowledges the limitations of words in the face of oppression but believes in their potential to influence public opinion and drive change.
"you know a shift in global stance and also in achieving you know an Awakening in the Palestinian generation as well you know there's a very famous uh famous interview of his where he's talking to uh I..."
In this concluding segment, El-Kurd expresses his commitment to bridging the gap between narratives about Palestine in Arabic and English. He emphasizes the importance of changing public perception and the responsibility he feels to use his voice for advocacy, highlighting the role of literature in affecting policy and social change.
"normalization deals that have emerged in recent years the abrahamic Accords have been talked about as though they're like groundbreaking new um phenomenon but many Arab countries have normalized relat..."
El-Kurd highlights the potential for activism and political education among Palestinians in the diaspora, particularly in the United States. He notes a growing awareness among Americans regarding their government's role in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the importance of leveraging this awareness for change.
"also believe that literature culture the public sphere changing the public opinion changing the narrative is important to affecting policy to affecting change affecting material change you know I'm no..."
In this segment, El-Kurd shares his thoughts on the upcoming 2024 U.S. presidential elections and the global implications of American politics. He expresses a desire for more inclusive voting rights and discusses the influence of U.S. policies on the Palestinian situation.
"um in the American public and more and more American people are concerned where their tax money is going or concerned what their politicians are invested in more and more American people are saying no..."
El-Kurd narrates the story behind his poetry book 'Rifqa,' detailing its themes of displacement and personal history. He reflects on the significance of poetry as a medium for expressing complex emotions and experiences, particularly in the context of Palestinian identity.
"I don't you know I saw Cornell West on CNN I don't think you know I don't know if he's Gonna Go Far with his campaign Cornelius is running with the green party and I don't think he's going to achieve ..."
El-Kurd discusses the role of poetry in Palestinian resistance and expression. He shares anecdotes about his mother's poetry and the challenges faced by Palestinian writers under censorship. He emphasizes the power of poetry to articulate the Palestinian experience and challenge mainstream narratives.
"accompany someone and I I wanted to write about displacement in a way that was beyond what we read about in English poetry has a medium I don't know if I have much faith in it anymore to be honest may..."
In this poignant segment, El-Kurd reflects on the intersection of humor and tragedy in Palestinian life. He shares personal stories that illustrate how humor serves as a coping mechanism in the face of adversity, highlighting the resilience of the Palestinian spirit.
"express uh large ideas in a simplistic way and you know the best example I could give you is one of my favorite poets uh when when the Israeli authorities decided to do the land the land law which cla..."
El-Kurd elaborates on his writing process, emphasizing the meticulous nature of crafting sentences and the challenges posed by current events. He discusses the struggle to write beyond immediate reactions to violence and the importance of finding timeless themes in his work.
"role of poetry that I try to to achieve so poetry ultimately prizes The Power of Words And So It the medium the power of the media of poetry transfers nicely to the any medium that celebrates words so..."
El-Kurd critiques the media's portrayal of Palestine and the challenges Palestinian writers face in conveying their narratives. He discusses the need for more nuanced representations and the responsibility of journalists to accurately depict the realities of occupation.
"speak in English so somebody that cares about the craftsmanship of words in both English and Arabic what can you say about your process uh it's a lot more neat than like this conversation it's like I ..."
El-Kurd critiques the media's portrayal of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, pointing out the failure to acknowledge the occupation and the illegal settlements. He highlights the biased framing of narratives that often omit Palestinian voices and perspectives, particularly in the context of violence and suffering. This segment sheds light on the systemic issues within journalism that contribute to a skewed understanding of the conflict.
"explanations and that's that's heartbreaking and people ought to do better people are ought to you know do better this is not it's not it's not what my uh literature should be limited to it's not what..."
In this segment, El-Kurd reflects on the mental health crisis among Palestinians, arguing that the conditions of occupation lead to widespread depression and despair. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the psychological burden of living under constant threat and violence, and how this shapes the Palestinian experience. This discussion reveals the deep emotional scars left by the ongoing conflict.
"Hospital bombing um a lot of things that a lot of a lot of them are Sinister I have many friends many journalists friends and I've seen many journalists online speak about their experiences when talki..."
El-Kurd expresses his sense of duty to raise awareness about the injustices faced by Palestinians. He shares his perspective on finding strength in community and the importance of using his voice to advocate for change. This segment captures the essence of activism as a moral obligation rather than a choice, highlighting the urgency of addressing the plight of his people.
"contemplate many things many things not just suicide but many many many things and if and if people were to put themselves in our shoes for just one day they would understand um where all of the raids..."
El-Kurd finds hope in the historical context of struggles against injustice, asserting that no oppression lasts forever. He draws parallels between the Palestinian experience and other historical injustices, emphasizing the inevitability of justice. This segment inspires a belief in the possibility of change and the resilience of the human spirit in the face of adversity.
"people and it's just my obligation I have to do it what gives you hope about the future of Palestine what gives me hope about what the future of Boston is taking a look at history and understanding th..."
El-Kurd celebrates the unwavering spirit of the Palestinian people, who continue to resist and thrive despite oppression. He discusses the misconceptions surrounding Palestinian culture and the strength found in community and laughter. This segment highlights the beauty of resilience and the determination to maintain identity and hope in the face of adversity.
"Justice what do you love most about Palestine what are like maybe little things that you remember from your childhood from your life there in each Jerusalem and elsewhere they you just brings a smile ..."
In the closing segment, El-Kurd reflects on the unbreakable spirit of Palestinians and the importance of storytelling in preserving their legacy. He expresses gratitude for the opportunity to share his experiences and insights, leaving the audience with a powerful message of hope and resilience. This segment encapsulates the essence of the conversation, emphasizing the need for understanding and empathy.
"these people are eager to like have sex with 70 virgins in heaven and so on and so forth but that's not the case the whole idea of the occupation when they are killing our children the whole idea is t..."