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Mark Cuban is a businessman, investor, star of TV series Shark Tank, long-time principal owner of Dallas Mavericks, and founder of Cost Plus Drugs. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Listening: https://listening.com/lex and use code LEX to get one month free - Cloaked: https://cloaked.com/lex and use code LexPod to get 25% off - Notion: https://notion.com/lex - Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings - Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial TRANSCRIPT: https://lexfridman.com/mark-cuban-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Mark's X: https://twitter.com/mcuban Mark's Instagram: https://instagram.com/mcuban Cost Plus Drugs: https://costplusdrugs.com Shark Tank: https://abc.com/shows/shark-tank Dallas Mavericks: https://www.mavs.com PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ Full episodes playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 Clips playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOeciFP3CBCIEElOJeitOr41 OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 0:54 - Entrepreneurship 15:48 - Shark Tank 26:13 - How Mark made first billion 52:24 - Dallas Mavericks 57:49 - DEI debate 1:33:42 - Trump vs Biden 1:36:04 - Immigration 1:45:37 - Drugs and Big Pharma 2:01:38 - AI 2:05:49 - Advice for young people SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
Mark Cuban discusses the influence of algorithms on information control and personal perspectives. He emphasizes the importance of diversifying sources of information to avoid being manipulated by a single platform's algorithm, highlighting the broader implications for society and individual autonomy.
"the person who controls the algorithm controls the world right and if you are committed to one specific platform as your singular source of information or Affiliated platforms then whoever controls th..."
Cuban shares his insights on the qualities that define a successful entrepreneur. He emphasizes curiosity, adaptability, and the ability to sell as crucial traits, explaining how these skills contribute to business success and the importance of understanding customer needs.
"cubin you've started many businesses invested in many businesses heard a lot of pitches privately and on Shark Tank so you're the perfect person to ask what makes a great entrepreneur somebody who's c..."
Mark Cuban reflects on his early experiences selling garbage bags and how he views selling as a form of helping others. He discusses the importance of empathy in sales and how understanding customer needs can lead to successful business relationships.
"what do you mean by selling selling is just helping I've always looked at it about putting myself in the shoes of another person and asking a simple question can I help this person can my product help..."
Cuban elaborates on the skills required for effective salesmanship, emphasizing the need for curiosity and the ability to analyze business needs. He shares personal anecdotes about his journey in sales and how he developed his approach to understanding and meeting customer demands.
"what's what's the trick to selling garbage bags let's go back there 12 years old what I mean is it just your natural Charisma I guess a good question to ask are you born with it or can you develop it ..."
Mark Cuban reflects on the life lessons he learned from his father, who worked in upholstery. He discusses the values of hard work, kindness, and the importance of education, sharing how these lessons shaped his approach to business and life.
"sure there's a skill thing to it too in like how you solve the puzz of communicating with a person and convincing them yeah I mean there's skill from the perspective that I read like a maniac then lik..."
Cuban opens up about his early leadership style, admitting he was more aggressive and impatient than he would have liked. He discusses the difficulties of managing people and the importance of patience and understanding in leadership roles.
"if you're not a voracious consumer of information then you're not going to be able to keep up and no matter what your sales skills or ability are they're going to be useless what did you learn about l..."
Mark Cuban shares his struggles with firing employees, highlighting the emotional challenges and the fear of admitting hiring mistakes. He discusses the importance of surrounding oneself with partners who can handle difficult decisions in business.
"nice that said you also said that you when you were first starting a business you were a bit more of an asshole than you wish you would have been absolutely yeah yeah because I was more of a yeller I ..."
Cuban discusses the critical moment of starting a business, sharing his personal experience of being fired and the lack of downside that motivated him to take risks. He emphasizes the importance of preparation and confidence in making the leap into entrepreneurship.
"was hard yeah for sure because you know there it's obviously a failure somewhere in the process you know what did we do wrong and when I would interview people for jobs I mean 99% of the people I've e..."
Mark Cuban reflects on the cultural factors that drive entrepreneurship in America. He discusses the allure of starting a business, the risks involved, and the importance of being prepared to face competition in the entrepreneurial landscape.
"was like look I'm I'm a lousy employee um I'm going to just start going to some of my prospects that I had in my my job and asked them to front the money that I needed to install some software and fou..."
Cuban emphasizes the necessity of preparation for aspiring entrepreneurs. He discusses the importance of saving money, learning about the industry, and being proactive in seeking funding to ensure a successful business launch.
"99% of the people some people look at that as an opportunity get excited about it some people get terrified because it's okay maybe I'm comfortable maybe I have responsibilities and so whatever your c..."
Mark Cuban talks about the inherent risks of starting a business and the importance of being ready to face challenges. He shares insights on how to manage competition and the mindset needed to thrive in the entrepreneurial world.
"always you know at night on weekends whenever you find time lunch start making the calls to find out if people will write you a check you know or transfer you money to buy whatever it is you're sellin..."
Cuban discusses the cultural shift in how entrepreneurs are perceived in society. He highlights the importance of celebrating entrepreneurial success and the role of shows like Shark Tank in promoting the American dream.
"an entrepreneur can trust that if they pull it off the law will protect them they won't hopefully that's still the case Yeah well yeah there's always uh yeah USS other countries you're right right so ..."
Mark Cuban reflects on the impact of Shark Tank in inspiring young entrepreneurs. He shares stories of how the show has motivated kids to start their own businesses and the importance of showcasing entrepreneurial spirit.
"discussions about what's the right way to do government big government small government what's the right policies what but also culture like who we celebrate one of the things that troubles me is that..."
Mark Cuban discusses the essence of Shark Tank as a platform that celebrates entrepreneurship and the American dream. He emphasizes how the show inspires young viewers by showcasing entrepreneurs from diverse backgrounds, reinforcing the message that anyone can achieve their dreams, regardless of where they come from.
"social media yeah we're trying to figure out how we deal with the with the mobs of people and the virality of it all and um I I think we'll find our footing and start celebrating greatness again well ..."
Cuban reflects on the importance of courage in entrepreneurship, even when business ideas may seem flawed. He shares anecdotes about how the show motivates aspiring entrepreneurs to pursue their dreams, regardless of the outcome, highlighting that the journey and belief in oneself are what truly matter.
"even when the business idea is obviously horrible just just just the guts to step up to be there to believe in yourself to really reach I mean that's what matters I mean cuz like some of the best busi..."
In this segment, Mark Cuban talks about the diverse range of pitches on Shark Tank and how he evaluates their potential. He shares memorable examples, including a missed opportunity with Spikeball, and discusses the criteria he considers when assessing whether a business can scale and succeed.
"like spike ball do you know what spike ball is so it's just rebounding net that you can put on the beach and you have these yellow balls and you play a game of you know it's just a competitive game bu..."
Cuban explains the fundamentals of business valuation, emphasizing the importance of cash flow and potential exits. He outlines how entrepreneurs often overvalue their businesses and shares insights on what investors look for when determining a company's worth.
"that makes the entrepreneur happy but then there's the valuation piece I mean right do do a lot of the entrepreneurs overvalue of course business yeah I mean that's that's the nature of it right I mea..."
Mark Cuban discusses the critical role of the entrepreneur in a business's success. He highlights the need for self-awareness and the ability to sell, as well as the importance of recognizing market realities and avoiding delusions about their business potential.
"how do you know if a company's going to be uh acquired so it's the technology like the patents but also the team is it yeah it could be any of the above right it could be it could be a a super Product..."
In this segment, Cuban talks about the challenges entrepreneurs face in a competitive landscape. He emphasizes the need for agility and continuous iteration in business, especially in the tech sector, where rapid changes can significantly impact success.
"so strongly I mean there's a delusional aspect to entrepreneurship right like you just I I see that that's a great question um do you have to be ambitious and you know set aside reality at some level ..."
Mark Cuban shares the story of how he made his first billion through the creation of Broadcast.com. He recounts the early days of streaming audio and video content, the challenges faced, and the eventual sale to Yahoo, highlighting the innovative spirit that drove their success.
"especially in the beginning hopefully not so you think like in the beginning the product you have should be the thing that carries you a long time yeah because I mean that's that's your riskiest point..."
Cuban elaborates on the technical challenges of building Broadcast.com, including the early days of internet streaming. He discusses the iterative process of developing the technology, the partnerships formed, and the strategies used to attract users and clients without spending on advertising.
"did you make your first billion so my partner Todd Wagner and I um would get together for lunches and we were at California Pizza Kitchen in Preston Hollow in Dallas and he was talking about um how we..."
In this segment, Cuban explains how he capitalized on the media landscape by offering corporations a new way to reach their employees through streaming. He shares insights on how they built a network that transformed corporate communications, showcasing the innovative approaches that led to their financial success.
"on demand and that's how we started and it started with one one radio station and then it was five then it was 10 then it was video content then it um the laws were different then so we could um liter..."
Mark Cuban discusses the acquisition of his company by Yahoo for $5.7 billion in stock. He explains the strategic importance of multimedia in the internet landscape at the time and how the deal unfolded, highlighting the significance of timing and market conditions.
"technology driven and marketing um the acquisition by Yahoo can you tell the story of that but also in the broader context of this internet bubble this is a fascinating part of human history yeah so s..."
Cuban shares his experience with stock trading after selling his company, detailing how he leveraged his knowledge of technology to make successful investments. He emphasizes the importance of understanding market trends and the role of luck in achieving financial success.
"stock not cash and so I looked at I you know after micro Solutions um when I sold that um I took that money and initially I I told my broker I wanted to invest like a 60-year old man because I wanted ..."
In this segment, Cuban reflects on the dangers of greed in business, particularly during the dot-com bubble. He explains how he strategically protected his investments and discusses the importance of recognizing market bubbles to avoid financial pitfalls.
"manufacturers they went up up up up up and then they came straight down after the hype or somebody just um Lea frogged and so when we sold to Yahoo um I was like I've got a be next to my name that's a..."
Cuban weighs in on the current state of the AI industry, discussing whether it is experiencing a bubble similar to the dot-com era. He highlights the differences in the market today and shares insights on the potential for sustainable growth in AI technologies.
"top 10 trades of all time and what was even more interesting out of that period um my broker at that time was at Goldman Sachs and I had asked him to see if there was a way to trade Vic the vix right ..."
Mark Cuban discusses the role of luck in becoming a billionaire, emphasizing that while skills and timing are crucial, unexpected opportunities often play a significant role. He shares personal anecdotes about his journey and the importance of being prepared for serendipitous moments.
"probably the start of a bubble um but that said my my 14-year-old was bragging about buying Nvidia you know with me in in his Robinhood account he tells me the order I place it and he was like oh yeah..."
Cuban elaborates on the significance of timing in business success, using examples from his career and the tech industry. He explains how being in the right place at the right time can lead to extraordinary opportunities and discusses the factors that contribute to successful ventures.
"life in general first of all I personally think that everything good that's ever happened to me is because of luck I think that's just a good way of being it's like uh you're grateful that said there'..."
In this reflective segment, Mark Cuban shares his personal definition of success, emphasizing happiness and fulfillment over financial wealth. He discusses the importance of enjoying life and finding joy in everyday experiences, regardless of one's financial status.
"have the money available to you because it wasn't like whether it was Google or Facebook you know they raised a shitload of money it wasn't bootstrapping it that got them there and raising money is no..."
Cuban candidly discusses his investment decisions, particularly his missed opportunity with Uber. He shares insights on recognizing potential in startups and the importance of learning from past experiences to make better decisions in the future.
"success by the way thank you how do you reach that success by way of advice to people you you know we talked about my dad U my parents I never looked at my dad and said okay you're not successful he b..."
Mark Cuban shares his experience with Travis Kalanick and the early days of Uber. He discusses the challenges of disrupting the taxi industry, the importance of marketing, and the lessons learned from investing in startups. Cuban reflects on the ambition of entrepreneurs and the risks involved in scaling a business.
"opposed to things you did to you know um the negative but but what can you tell the story of that and maybe it's just interesting because it is illustrative like how to know when a thing is going to b..."
Mark Cuban recounts his journey as the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, detailing how he turned around one of the worst-performing teams in the NBA. He emphasizes the importance of investing in player development and creating a winning culture, highlighting the significance of the fan experience in sports.
"never came back to me yeah I mean there's some lessons there connected to uh what you're doing now we'll talk about a Cost Plus drugs is like looking at an industry that seems like there's a lot of co..."
Cuban explains how he shifted the focus of the Mavericks from just basketball to creating memorable experiences for fans. He discusses the emotional connections fans have with sports and how enhancing the overall experience can lead to greater success for the team.
"about this world like they're inefficient and it just seem like pain I probably would have said no like a lot of people did to Airbnb because I'm like I don't want people sitting my sleeping in my bed..."
Mark Cuban describes the unique energy of attending live NBA games and how it contributes to the overall experience. He contrasts the atmosphere of arenas with that of stadiums, emphasizing the importance of fan engagement and the emotional highs and lows of live sports.
"so the assets of the business here are the the players the players yeah for sure and then on on the business side the first question I asked myself is what business are we in and I really didn't know ..."
Cuban discusses the impact of television on the NBA and how it connects fans to the game. He explains the financial aspects of TV deals and how they contribute to the team's revenue, while also highlighting the importance of maintaining fan interest during both winning and losing seasons.
"is you're selling the team selling the sport selling the people the idea the all of it like just the well yeah the experience so if you have you ever been to an NBA game yeah Miami Heat you remember w..."
Mark Cuban shares his thoughts on his public exchanges with Elon Musk regarding Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) programs. He discusses the complexities of DEI, the importance of expanding applicant pools, and the potential pitfalls of poorly implemented programs.
"turning a team keeps fans connected look when a team is doing really well it's easy right there's more viewers everybody's more excited um and when you're not it you know there's still going to be har..."
Cuban outlines the benefits and challenges of DEI initiatives in the workplace. He emphasizes the need for proper implementation and the dangers of quotas, while also acknowledging the existence of reverse discrimination and the importance of fair hiring practices.
"know and it's fun to engage but he doesn't really engage you know he just comes back with snark comments which is you know his choice yeah you in your comments well you do a bit of snark too but yeah ..."
Mark Cuban discusses the challenges of addressing criticism within organizations, particularly regarding DEI programs. He reflects on the dynamics of corporate culture, the fear of backlash, and the importance of open dialogue in fostering a healthy work environment.
"in the way that we discussed regardless of the size of the company and it also I think depends on where you're having the discussion so when I'm in a different group of people off of X the feedback is..."
Mark Cuban discusses the contentious topic of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) in the workplace. He questions whether individuals truly feel coerced into adopting DEI ideologies or if these are simply business choices made by companies. Cuban highlights a disconnect between personal perceptions of job performance and actual evaluations, illustrating how this relates to the broader DEI conversation.
"ideology of Dei I'm like did they force you did they coer you did did you lose control of your company no it's not me it happens to other people then I talk to other people same thing so I get you kno..."
In this segment, Cuban reflects on a Wall Street Journal study revealing that many employees who were fired believed they were performing well. He draws parallels to the DEI debate, suggesting that feelings of discrimination may stem from a disconnect between self-perception and actual performance evaluations. This raises questions about how DEI initiatives are perceived in corporate environments.
"being an analogist to all this you know this huffing and puffing about um reverse discriminations and conservatives not being able to speak up because 40% of people who have been fired don't believe t..."
Cuban acknowledges the noble intentions behind DEI initiatives but critiques their implementation, particularly in universities. He argues that while the goals of DEI are commendable, the execution often falls short, leading to inefficiencies and rising costs in education. This segment emphasizes the need for a more effective approach to DEI in academic settings.
"the positive progress that's been made in the positive version of the word woke in terms of correcting some of the wrongs done in the past so but that said you know if you ask people in Russia [Music]..."
Mark Cuban explores the concept of 'woke ideology' and its implications in society. He discusses how both sides of the ideological spectrum can misuse power and how the narrative around wokeism often overlooks positive progress. This segment delves into the complexities of ideological discourse and the challenges of navigating these conversations in today's climate.
"with Dei I haven't waited into Dei and Universities at all so it's mostly focused on companies 100% right because that's where where I exist but at the same time like I read Christopher ru's book wher..."
Cuban critiques the role of corporations in the ongoing ideological battles, particularly regarding DEI and wokeism. He argues that while companies may face pressure to adopt certain ideologies, the reality is often more nuanced. This segment highlights the tension between corporate responsibility and individual beliefs in the context of societal expectations.
"on so uh says it all right well there's a mention there so yes but both can be abused right both positions of power can be abused there's power in Dei and there's shitty people that can crave power an..."
In this segment, Cuban discusses the intersection of artificial intelligence and ideological bias. He reflects on how AI systems can reflect the biases of their creators and the challenges this poses for companies like Google. Cuban emphasizes the importance of transparency and accountability in AI development to mitigate these biases.
"sure I'm here to help you Le there's an example in the AI world of uh a system called Gemini everybody was black or whatever people the color George Washington black Nazis were black so why why is it ..."
Cuban shares his experiences with technology companies and the challenges of maintaining trust in their products. He recounts issues with misleading advertisements and the difficulties in correcting misinformation. This segment underscores the importance of accountability in tech and the implications for consumer trust.
"end of the world but uh Google's so much uh dependent on trust that trust a Google search has as objective as possible um channel into the world of information and so that brand is really important fo..."
Mark Cuban envisions a future where numerous AI models coexist, each reflecting different ideologies and perspectives. He discusses the potential for a decentralized approach to AI, where users can choose models that align with their values. This segment highlights the evolving landscape of AI and the implications for individual choice and diversity in technology.
"for anybody to realize it meaning that there's a lot of Technology problems that are hard to fix they're super complex and we could talk about it forever with with social media the criticism towards G..."
Cuban reflects on the ideological divides present in society and the importance of dialogue in bridging these gaps. He emphasizes the need for open discussions about free speech and the potential dangers of ideological extremism. This segment encourages listeners to engage in constructive conversations to foster understanding.
"that resonates with people that's the way neural networks work though right that's why there'll be millions of models because weights and biases putting together you know a neural network but well no ..."
In this segment, Cuban discusses the influence of media on public perception and ideology. He critiques the notion of mainstream media and highlights the importance of diverse sources of information. This segment calls for critical thinking and awareness of media biases in shaping societal narratives.
"after Google bought them you used to be able there used to be um different commands you could give it right there were line um prompt commands that you could give it and you could find all the nasty p..."
Cuban concludes with a discussion on the significance of free speech and the challenges it faces in today's polarized environment. He warns against the dangers of suppressing dissenting voices and advocates for a culture that values diverse opinions. This segment reinforces the need for tolerance and open dialogue in a democratic society.
"and now it's it's become very um War your politics on on Twitter but again as you extend that and and Things Grow you as AI models become more efficient and trainable on less for a lot less money or e..."
Mark Cuban discusses the influence of algorithms on information control and societal discourse. He emphasizes that the person who controls the algorithm essentially controls the narrative, particularly in the context of media and public perception. Cuban highlights the importance of diverse sources of information to avoid being trapped in a singular viewpoint.
"going to be dead if you disagree right now God help us if we ever get to that point here but the person who controls the algorithm controls the world right and if you are committed to one specific pla..."
Cuban addresses the controversy surrounding gender transition, particularly in relation to Dylan Mulvaney and the conservative media's focus on the topic. He argues that the majority of discussions about gender transition are driven by conservative outlets and critiques the notion that social media influencers like Mulvaney have a significant impact on youth transitioning.
"again fun with Jordan Peterson about this that's the guy whose name I couldn't think of yeah so the topic there was the gender transition and Dylan moaney can you can you explain the nature of the bee..."
In this segment, Mark Cuban expresses concerns about the potential for trends in gender identity to influence young people. He discusses the complexities of transitioning and the importance of careful consideration before making life-altering decisions, particularly for minors. Cuban emphasizes the need for a thoughtful approach to gender identity issues.
"holds I don't know how many kids were following and you can look at the followers list it's not like it's hidden right back then if they had 250,000 followers and now we're on Tik Tok um you know wher..."
Cuban critiques the idea that medical professionals involved in gender transition for minors are corrupt or acting without due diligence. He argues that there are significant safeguards and processes in place to ensure that decisions are made responsibly, and he challenges the narrative that suggests widespread malpractice in this area.
"like I don't remember what the numbers were that I read but I do remember that the latest numbers that came out in terms of transitioning were from jamama which is a medical association that said um 2..."
Mark Cuban reflects on human nature and the capacity for individuals to commit atrocities in times of crisis. He draws parallels between historical events and current societal pressures, suggesting that the environment can lead people to act against their better judgment. This segment explores the complexities of morality and decision-making in challenging circumstances.
"that well not corrupted but you know people uh it's back to the Dei thing there could be pressure and we are pressure to operate so think about all the people who have to be complicit yeah to do an op..."
Cuban discusses the importance of leadership in addressing societal issues, particularly in politics. He critiques both major political parties for failing to take accountability for their mistakes and emphasizes the need for leaders to own up to their errors. This segment highlights the role of effective leadership in fostering trust and stability in governance.
"atrocities without really speaking up the point I want to make is that when you're in this situation where everybody is around around you is committing an atrocity you can be sort of the the good Germ..."
In this segment, Mark Cuban compares the leadership styles of President Biden and former President Trump. He points out the differences in cabinet turnover and loyalty among advisors, arguing that Biden's stability contrasts with Trump's tumultuous relationships. Cuban emphasizes the significance of team dynamics in effective governance.
"if we just stick on Biden and Trump for a sec uh what's your intuition why Biden would make a better president Trump look at if at the basics right if you look at the people he's hired um there hasn't..."
Cuban addresses the contentious issue of immigration and its implications for election legitimacy. He refutes the idea that illegal immigrants can vote and discusses the importance of maintaining trust in the electoral process. This segment delves into the narratives surrounding immigration and their impact on public perception.
"never miss a mistake and the list is long what do you think about the immigration situation a lot of conservatives are using that uh sort of the the the theory is that the reason it's happening is bec..."
Mark Cuban highlights the contributions of immigrants to American society and the economy. He argues for the importance of maintaining a welcoming stance towards immigrants, particularly those who contribute positively to the nation. This segment underscores the value of diversity and the need for a balanced approach to immigration policy.
"to be checking because they know Trump is going to sue the shit out of him when he loses you know and so again and that's where you know people will take those self-preservation steps to keep their jo..."
Cuban discusses the prevalence of hyperbole in political discourse and the challenges it poses to understanding reality. He emphasizes the need for clear communication and accountability from leaders across the political spectrum. This segment explores the impact of sensationalism on public perception and the importance of distinguishing fact from exaggeration.
"probably keep the people that are like already been in this country for a while and they're killing it like PhD students and all this it's like that's not what Donald Trump wants though he wants to sh..."
In this segment, Cuban examines the role of social media algorithms in shaping public discourse and perceptions. He discusses how algorithms prioritize certain types of content and the implications this has for political engagement. Cuban calls for greater transparency in how these algorithms operate and their impact on societal narratives.
"fundamental problem it's not about the ideology of woke it's not the no leadership yeah leadership and yeah there's it's it's whatever systems we've created it's it's really frustrating that uh if you..."
Mark Cuban stresses the importance of data and evidence in political discussions. He critiques the reliance on anecdotal evidence and calls for a more scientific approach to understanding societal issues. This segment highlights the need for rigorous data analysis to inform public policy and political debates.
"about Elon you're not and you're not following him yeah you're not you're not going to have an influence he's not going to have influence when you get a break just create a burner account on Twitter a..."
Mark Cuban addresses the lack of transparency in the healthcare system, which leads to a breakdown of trust. He introduces Cost Plus Drugs as a solution aimed at restoring trust through complete transparency in drug pricing.
"often than not all right so as I mentioned Cost Plus drugs there's so many questions I can ask here but uh what's the big question what's broken about our healthc care system there's no transparency t..."
Cuban explains how Cost Plus Drugs operates by showing the actual cost of medications, their markup, and additional fees. This transparency is positioned as a revolutionary approach to drug pricing in America.
"uh the system that cost plus drugs is trying to solve so the thing we're trying to solve for is trust and the way we feel we get there is through complete transparency so when you go to cplus drugs.co..."
Cuban critiques pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) for prioritizing profit over patient care. He discusses how their lack of transparency allows them to manipulate drug pricing, ultimately harming consumers and independent pharmacies.
"priced in in America today and it's led to you know research being done comparing our pricing to CMS um and ours being cheaper you know then even the government is negotiating etc etc etc and so just ..."
Cuban elaborates on the rebate system used by PBMs, explaining how it leads to inflated drug prices and disadvantages for consumers. He shares an example of how companies can be misled by PBMs regarding drug pricing.
"parts of the system too corre seeing the business of it but uh what do the so-called middlemen companies so the the pbms pharmacy benefit managers thank you CVS care Mark signas Express Scripts and Un..."
Cuban highlights the disconnect between CEOs and their understanding of healthcare costs. He argues that many CEOs are unaware of how their healthcare spending is structured, leading to inefficiencies and unnecessary expenses.
"with one of those big pbms it says you can't disclose any of this and the fact that you can't be disclosed means they could tell Lex's company that um they're being you know they're getting a great pr..."
Cuban suggests that companies should have healthcare experts to manage their healthcare costs effectively. He emphasizes that understanding healthcare is crucial for the financial health of a business.
"doesn't know any better because there's no way to know the markup is not transparent the cost isn't transparent the markup isn't transparent you know and you know there's different things you know lik..."
Cuban shares insights on the pricing of medications, contrasting the costs of brand-name drugs with their biosimilars. He illustrates how consumers can save significantly by choosing more affordable alternatives.
"when they compared what was contracted for to what they actually got they were getting underpaid every single year they just don't care right they'll take products there's there's a drug called Huma r..."
Cuban discusses the challenges faced by community pharmacies due to the reimbursement practices of PBMs. He explains how these practices threaten the viability of local pharmacies and the accessibility of medications.
"month you can go to get um your doctor to prescribe that bio simler you simmer and you pay $594 but those big three pbms won't allow their clients to um get youim because they don't get a rebate on yo..."
Cuban critiques the government's role in the healthcare system, particularly regarding Medicare and its impact on community pharmacies. He argues that the current system contributes to the decline of independent pharmacies.
"you uhhuh Phil blando with with the usual language that so deeply exhausts me but I I was wondering if there's TR any truth to it employers unions health plans and government programs work with CVS KA..."
Cuban explains how Cost Plus Drugs aims to support independent pharmacies by providing transparent pricing and fostering partnerships that benefit both consumers and local businesses.
"whole lot of nothing so they they are not transparent no no call them up you go to Cost Plus drugs we'll give you our price list of every all5 200 plus drugs the actual cost the actual cost and what w..."
Cuban emphasizes the importance of transparency in healthcare contracts. He discusses how Cost Plus Drugs plans to share pricing and contract details to empower other companies and improve industry standards.
"so like when we moved away from them we wanted to get what our claims data was to understand what we were going to be facing they won't give it to us until like six months later I forget the exact amo..."
Cuban advocates for companies to appoint healthcare CEOs to oversee healthcare spending and strategy. He believes this could lead to significant cost savings and better health outcomes for employees.
"me to understand how I'm paying for my healthc care for my employees and their families and the first thing I looked at was a lot of these companies use employee benefits consultants and turns out I w..."
Cuban reflects on his own journey to understand healthcare costs within his companies. He shares how this knowledge has led to better decision-making and cost management.
"us with and I took a list of this was early on in Cost Plus drugs list of the generic drugs that we sold that cost more than $30 that the Mavericks also had purchased right we were able to get that cl..."
Cuban discusses the complexities of insurance and how it affects healthcare access. He highlights the challenges faced by employees in navigating insurance requirements for necessary treatments.
"use the network that they put together for us you know providers hospitals or whatever and I'm like all right are there companies that won't charge us to put together these networks turns out there's ..."
Cuban explains how PBMs influence drug approval processes, often requiring patients to try cheaper alternatives before accessing the medications their doctors prescribe. He criticizes this practice for prioritizing profits over patient care.
"other drugs in what's called Step Up therapy right to see if these other cheaper drugs work or they're not even necessarily cheaper they may just be um being pushed because they're getting a higher re..."
Cuban calls for a reevaluation of how healthcare is managed within companies. He argues that a better understanding of healthcare costs and practices can lead to improved outcomes for employees and reduced expenses for employers.
"dealing with the claims but they spend most of their prescription drug related time or healthcare related times trying to get pre-authorizations approved so you know your kid breaks their arm or you h..."
Cuban emphasizes the connection between employee health and company performance. He argues that addressing healthcare issues is crucial for maintaining a productive workforce.
"what I'm saying is one the smartest thing to do is to get a healthcare CEO at every company with over let's say 500 employes that focuses on all these things you'd save a shitload of money and two hea..."
Cuban shares his motivation for entering the healthcare industry, driven by a desire to address inefficiencies and lack of transparency. He discusses the potential for significant improvements in the market.
"fascinating so so the mo most companies uh Outsource offload sort of the expertise on the healthcare side when they really should be internally there should be an expert that because it's the wellness..."
Cuban recounts the founding of Cost Plus Drugs, inspired by a desire to create a transparent and efficient drug pricing model. He reflects on the initial challenges and successes of the venture.
"to get authorization for a surgery or medication it's insane what made you decide to step into this cartel like situation uh where so much is opaque so I got a cold email from a Dr Alex hansy who's my..."
Cuban discusses the challenges of operating outside the traditional healthcare system, which he describes as a cartel. He explains how Cost Plus Drugs aims to disrupt this system by prioritizing transparency.
"they were sending the pharmacy bro Martin scr to jail and so I was reading up on that and he increased the price of this drug der Prim I think it was like 7,5% or increased a lowcost drug to $7,500 on..."
Cuban shares his vision for the future of Cost Plus Drugs, focusing on expanding access to affordable medications and fostering partnerships with independent pharmacies to enhance community health.
"for it and it took off immediately I mean you you know you read a press release from a company saying you know they were creating a cost Advantage Program basically pretending to replicate us yeah we ..."
Cuban critiques the influence of big pharmaceutical companies on drug pricing and availability. He discusses the need for reform to ensure fair access to medications for all consumers.
"most dominant control you know it's very insulated and very controlled like you said um we work outside them we won't work with them and so because of that we don't have access to every medication bec..."
Cuban emphasizes the importance of supporting community pharmacies in the face of challenges posed by large PBMs. He discusses initiatives aimed at preserving these vital healthcare resources.
"Medicare or Medicare Advantage and they go to a local pharmacy and they get a drug that cost $600 well in the insurance company that $600 the pharmacy first buys that drug for probably that price minu..."
Cuban reiterates the importance of transparency in healthcare pricing and practices. He believes that increased transparency can lead to better outcomes for patients and a more equitable healthcare system.
"pbms they're not reimbursing them $550 or more they're reimbursing them $500 or less less and literally those Community pharmacies are eating that loss and as a result they're going out of business le..."
Cuban discusses potential innovations in the healthcare industry that could improve transparency and efficiency. He advocates for a shift towards more open practices to benefit consumers.
"business so how does that uh how does that connect to Cost Plus drugs and what we're doing and the big Brands the big Brands know that if all these Community pharmacies are going tens of thousands of ..."
Cuban shares his thoughts on the future of healthcare, emphasizing the need for continued reform and innovation. He believes that a focus on transparency and patient care will drive positive change.
"community and Independent Pharmacy industry is there other aspects of the healthcare industry that could use this kind of yes transparency and revolutionizing yeah so what we're going to do with our o..."
Mark Cuban discusses the importance of open source in the AI industry, emphasizing that while companies like Meta are making smart business decisions by open sourcing their models, it shouldn't be forced. He highlights the collaborative nature of the AI field and how open sourcing can lead to better efficiency and innovation.
"the system because if I can build it up big enough they would just buy me and I'd make you know money and buy a sports team but I don't need that money now uh let me ask you about AI you got a little ..."
Cuban draws parallels between the evolution of AI and the history of computing, particularly the shift from proprietary software to off-the-shelf solutions. He believes that as AI models become more efficient and accessible, the industry will see a similar transformation, fostering competition and diversity in approaches.
"decision yeah it's a tricky one I mean Google is a Pioneer in that with tensor flow on in the AI space that's a tricky decision to is right but go back to historically you know there was digital Compu..."
In this segment, Mark Cuban expresses his optimism about AI, countering fears of catastrophic outcomes often compared to the Manhattan Project. He believes in the potential for numerous AI models to coexist, each retaining their unique expertise, and emphasizes the importance of innovation in the healthcare sector.
"different diversity of approaches uh in how they're implemented deployed what kind of products they create all of that V compared the danger of that to the Manhattan Project that yeah I yeah I'm not b..."
Cuban shares valuable advice for young people, encouraging them to embrace curiosity and explore various interests. He reflects on his own journey of discovering his passion for technology and emphasizes that everyone has the potential to excel in something unique.
"yeah yeah yeah and the expertise evolves and grows and all that kind of stuff and you want to own that growth uh what advice would you give give to young people you have an exceptionally successful ca..."
Mark Cuban recounts his experiences teaching entrepreneurship in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, highlighting the natural entrepreneurial spirit he observed. He discusses the importance of recognizing and nurturing that spark of creativity and ambition in individuals, regardless of their circumstances.
"55 but it can happen one thing to mention is that sometimes it's difficult where your parents people around you might not be U conducive or might not be a of help in finding the thing you're good at i..."
Cuban reflects on the hope he sees in the eyes of young people today, emphasizing their potential to change the world. He encourages them to believe in their ability to innovate and make a difference, using examples from everyday life to inspire a sense of possibility.
"is really important to comment on is in Russia and UK brain uh I think the system kind of suppresses that spark somehow because you said you saw the natural entrepreneurship but there's not the entrep..."
In the closing moments of the podcast, Mark Cuban shares a quote from Oscar Wilde about imagination and humor, encapsulating the essence of creativity and resilience. He expresses gratitude for the conversation and encourages listeners to pursue their passions and dreams.
"the world thank you for that beautiful hopeful message and thank you for talking today Mark you're you're fun uh to follow I'm a big fan of yours but you're also an important person in this world I re..."