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Hitler put Russians on Death Ground - Sarah Paine
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Full Episode: https://youtu.be/YcVSgYz5SJ8 (October 2023) Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/sarah-paine Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sarah-c-m-paine-how-xi-putin-think-maritime-vs-continental/id1516093381?i=1000630184469 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/073V9sl5GLf7R0JlMSFdK7?si=Z3Eu2BZiQiCe1rDINzCZDQ Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp
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The Resilience of Russia
Sarah Paine explores why Russia was able to withstand the German invasion during World War II despite immense losses. She discusses the concept of 'death ground' and how the dire circumstances forced the Russians to fight back, contrasting their situation with that of the Ukrainians who initially welcomed the Germans. This segment delves into the psychological and strategic factors that contributed to Russia's resilience.
"why was Russia so robust against not initially but eventually so robust against pushing back against the Germans despite losing tens of millions of soldiers the government doesn't collapse like the Za..."
Forging National Identity Through Conflict
In this segment, Paine discusses how war can forge national identity, using the example of Ukraine's evolving identity in response to Russian aggression. She reflects on historical parallels, including the American Revolutionary War, and how external threats can unify disparate groups. The discussion highlights the irony of Putin's actions inadvertently strengthening Ukrainian nationalism.
"ukrainians initially welcomed the Germans why because Stalin and friends had imposed the uh terrible Famine of the early 1930s on them and they couldn't imagine that anything would be worse than that ..."
Unconditional Surrender: A Different Approach
Paine contrasts the unconditional surrender strategy employed by the United States during the Civil War and World War II with the brutal tactics used by Germany and Japan. She examines how the lack of genocidal policies in the U.S. prevented the same morale issues faced by the Japanese and Germans, leading to different outcomes in their respective wars.
"in the United States uh we start out with our 13 colonies and they're all very different after the Revolutionary War that starts forging a national identity and by the time you get to the end of the C..."
Cultural Factors in Military Morale
This segment delves into the cultural differences that influenced military morale in Japan during World War II. Paine explains how the Japanese sense of obligation and loyalty to their ingroups made surrender unthinkable, even in the face of overwhelming odds. She discusses the psychological impact of their military culture and the eventual exhaustion that led to Japan's defeat.
"leadership had self- put themselves on death ground by where the basically the problem for Tojo hiedi is if he backs down on anything he's out of office and then he doesn't know what happens after tha..."
The Tragic Consequences of War
Paine reflects on the tragic consequences of Japan's militaristic choices and the potential alternate history where Japan could have allied with Nationalists to combat Communism in Russia. She discusses the implications of such a scenario on global history, emphasizing the catastrophic outcomes of the choices made by Japan and the resulting impact on millions of lives.
"the atrocities got even better when there were wounded Japanese soldiers their commanders ordered their fellow soldiers to execute them because they didn't want cripples going home they couldn't deal ..."
The Ethnic Cleansing Dilemma
In this concluding segment, Paine contemplates the horrific potential of a world dominated by Hitler and the consequences of ethnic cleansing in Europe. She discusses the moral implications of such a scenario and the tragic loss of life that could have been avoided had different alliances and strategies been pursued during the war.
"thinking about war they're not thinking about Grant strategy they're thinking about operational success so the moment you as a soldier start losing a battle instead of in the west where you can Retrea..."