"why am i doing this i'm doing this because society wants me to do this i'm doing this because my mates want me to do this it's a [ __ ] that's not going to happen and i think it you showed that little..."

"emotional [Music] what an amazing story what a cruel amazing twisting career my next guest has one of the most fascinating journeys through business and through life that i think i've ever heard she s..."

"about to hear is her brother david miller who was this incredibly sort of highly regarded cyclist british cyclist who had this cruel twist to his career where he got involved in the doping scandal whi..."

"her story is inspiring it's peculiar she went from starting her own business to spending i think 12 years that team sky worked her way up to the very very top and when it became team ineos she became ..."

"are then please keep this to yourself [Music] fran i i've done a lot of stalking of your your history your past your professional career and uh i was stalking your twitter feed the other day and i saw..."

"can you explain why you chose those words oh it's a big opening question um yeah i mean listen my brother was was unease a very talented guy he was we were so when we were about 10 and 12 my parents g..."

"to my mum about it and he was obviously you know he was a kid he was desperate to win the tour de france and to go and fulfill his dreams and he totally fell in love with the sport and he was complete..."

"impact on my life on my brother's life on my life on everything the decisions i've made and everything else i guess that's why i chose those words give me some detail on you talked about the sport bri..."

"to perform to increase physical performance um and it was just a transformative drug it was they couldn't detect it they couldn't test for it and they brought in some interventions like a hematocrit t..."

"basically only racing yourself and so he really stuck to his time trialling because he was like i can do that like with the technology with aerodynamics with focus on my training it's a shorter period..."

"potential they were trying to work out how to get him good enough to make enough money to win you know for them as a business he was a commodity in their business um and i'd like i haven't actually ev..."

"and i remember it being like a week and a half before the tour and he said to me don't worry france um they're still gonna let me ride the tour you know you're like oh it still makes me want to cry be..."

"where you're like this is not how life works i'm gonna end up punching someone in the face so i should probably stop doing that speaking of punching people in the face no um i had it just that felt li..."

"i think is the older i've gotten the more i've kind of explored feminism and explored kind of the sort of female condition the human condition it's like women are judged very differently for for behav..."

"that being aggressive is actually just sometimes being aggressive it's not being assertive and that balance i think i've learned as i've got older but i think it's yeah i think women are judged totall..."

"limit me um and i think it's really interesting that kind of you know being assertive or being being your true self has become a bigger and bigger thing that people talk about and actually being your ..."

"they'll they'll determine the same behavior to be a really negative thing but how do you toe the line between being like direct and firm which is so important in my opinion when you're dealing with te..."

"for aggression and anger and being annoyed in business in your view no not not ever uh well you can you can feel those things but i don't think you can inflict those things on other people no i don't ..."

"but the people who can handle it will develop and get better it's worse to be empathetic and not be honest than it is to be an arrogant [ __ ] and i was like oh that's why there's so many arrogant [ _..."

"that and he he said over and over again you will be whoever you go on to be that's not going to change you are still there you're letting this thing influence all these views about yourself you're let..."

"yeah um because you're right jobs are they're fat friends they're community they are purpose yeah as you say they're your identity um and that's dangerous like that's dangerous you know because actual..."

"is me it's like steven i'm a guy with a bunch of skills and experiences and i can apply these skills and experiences to a bunch of different challenges i'm not social media ceo you know what i mean ye..."

"i wasn't i hadn't like planned to move on so that was in some ways whilst it was quite traumatic sort of three or four weeks of because i literally i got phoned like on the 16th of september and i was..."

"getting at what was the person if i can relate uh i think i felt so i had done what was effectively 20 years in pro cycling it would like you say it was all i knew it's all i'd done i know everybody i..."

"decision there that i was like you know this is a big career decision to me that i'm staying again i told on my mates i was going to leave i was like you know this is it this time this time i'm going ..."

"incredible but it just really made me realize that i was just going through the motions in in the cycling job i was just i was ticking over i was really comfortable i was good at it i loved it i was h..."

"out of here so it was that see it almost identical to me in the sense of something niggling at you and then for me there was like a trigger moment where i was like i was like sent an email yeah yeah y..."

"how did you feel did you find it traumatic or not so i i'd already i'd quit business when i that i was my baby as well when i was i started business 18 quit that one when i was 21 so i'd been through ..."

"has multiplied by a factor of 10 because and this is these singularities not only are they nice people but because i've seen firsthand how much they are non-negotiable about the values of fuel they wi..."

"i was reading about this winning behaviors role you took on which is a very curious title yes it is what was your remit as the head of winning behaviors that team ineos so it was it was when it was te..."

"that comes from a track background that's full of brits who aren't historically that famous for road cycling they were they were signing a kind of you know they were they were adventurers right they w..."

"that that kind of actually who are we what do we stand for what do we expect from people what do we need to be able to do to be the best in the world of this needed codifying and it needed it needed a..."

"high pressure so that was my job effectively helping dave create the behaviors in the first instance with the whole team and then helping keep them alive within the business what were some of those yo..."

"and then team was all about the impact that you have as a team member you know i think people kind of think teams this kind of static thing that you create a great team and that's it it's like as you ..."

"i am you don't do a lot of public speaking right you used to haven't done it for a while now actually yeah but like white collar crime i think sometimes but yeah so i i sort of i used to love doing it..."

"him you know he's unrelenting you know anyone who's working he's difficult you know like all geniuses are he's a he's a tricky guy he's why um how maybe is a better question in all kinds of ways you k..."

"they're constantly trying to be better but they just can't do it that's yeah you talked a lot about when we were talking about winning behaviors about this important about high work ethic and you've e..."

"get lonely or do you not worry and i'm like no i feel like i should because it would make you all feel better but and you know about five or six years ago because everyone was on at me all the time i'..."

"yeah it just never yeah i did a little bit but it's not it's i'm not looking for that and i think if i'm looking if i if i wanted if i wanted to get married if i wanted to get into a relationship i co..."

"if i was going to become wildly successful then it would just be me and my louis vuitton bag set up inside of my house and i and then and then i started to change my perspective and thought steve you ..."

"of a companion for me right now you know i'm not saying not forever but i'm not sure that bit for me is something that i need and i think that it's that there's a difference there because i do agree w..."

"point where people think it's rude to ask if you're going to have kids because they're like can you still have kids okay right fine you get to that age right but but certainly all through my 30s when ..."

"amazingly high energetic scream for seven hours a day without flinching and i watched that as a kid growing up my dad sat there this passive english man who didn't say a word ever and this african wom..."

"literally didn't know who her mom and dad was she was kind of picked out of an orphanage by my grandparents um and never hadn't until she had david and i had never met anyone who looked like her you k..."

"so the idea of having a companion or children or anything else in the mix of that didn't really ever appeal to me in interest i mean i was i was engaged to be married when my brother got uh served his..."

"any idea why no and i'm fascinated by it because i feel very blessed because of it because it's like i say i think it's it given me a freedom that a lot of people don't have had you wanted it had you ..."

"terms of your focus i don't like compromising i yeah i probably am obsessive makes it sound a bit like it's it's i'm not in control of it i'm in control i'm aware of what i'm doing but it's a bit like..."

"don't worry about it like don't worry about [ __ ] up don't worry about making mistakes let's get on with it what would you tell me though that i had to have in terms of my qualities would you say oka..."

"it's not easy fran it's the stress of your job it must be pretty intense you're running now um a big company that's you know in the process of like sort of turning themselves around and kind of reinve..."

"this is incredible because i hadn't spoken to him about it at all it was all via sort of you know determined in the business and he just he just replied and said fran the only thing i can ask you to d..."

"it's like i think you can burden yourself with all this responsibility and all these kind of negatives and actually it's like we just want an opportunity why don't you try and flip it try and see the ..."

"rash decisions you know wait get up get a proper plan but give it you know the kind of 100 days piece and initially i was like i don't need to do that and actually you just really do you know so i've ..."

"thinking about the changes with in retail i mean god i'm so early to it you know but i mean i think like anything it's just i think it's accelerated what was happening anyway right like the high stree..."

"a big play over the next few years this is a morbid question but i like to ask it sometimes i think sometimes are you scared of dying no no are you no i was when i was religious up until about 18 year..."

"and i got like i mean for some reason whenever i crashed my back i landed either my face or my head and i landed on my head towards your brains it's just i wish and um our team doctor at the time was ..."

"this he means heroin she's like oh yeah no no we've never done heroin um and so and she was asking all these questions and so basically i had about a year period where they weren't sure what it was th..."

"literally felt quite freeing it was like great this is this is good because i think a lot of people would get that kind of diagnosis and be like right [ __ ] what do i need to do differently and i did..."

"decisions am i living true to myself um and i wrote a little article about that called deathbed thinking which pretty much says the same thing which is that giving you that perspective of from your de..."

"me i'm i'm sure it will be a laugh it'll be fun everyone else seems to need a plan no that's that's five year plan three year plan don't get me wrong i used to have five year plans but they're all hil..."

"i spend all the money i earn doing stuff with the people i love give me an example uh took my sister-in-law to dubai for her 40th birthday with my best mate we stayed on the palm with an amazing time ..."

"and none of my mates can afford to go to the hotels i go to so i was like well i'll just pay because i don't want to stay in a rugby showtime so i can relate well listen thank you so much for all of y..."