"Bob was sort of this kind of rock and roll philosopher right like he was very dionan he certainly knew how to turn a phrase reality is what you can get away with only the madman is absolutely sure we'..."

"with yet another infinite Loops today's guest is shares a passion with me my guest today is Gabriel Kennedy the author of Chapel perilous the life and thought crimes of Robert Anton will Wilson and I ..."

"also why why the urge to write about Bob the man because a lot of his writing like he he's really an open kimono uh with a lot of his own life story but I will tell you I loved your book and I learned..."

"a place where um all this crazy stuff is happening and we're not quite sure if it's the product of uh some Supernatural event or you know uh our own imagination but regardless um there's crazy things ..."

"or most interesting human in the last you know 50 years if you will and um and because of that you know he was a person that produced over 30 books and over a 40-year career hardly ever having any ins..."

"Technologies and you know essentially you know cameras uh we see images and people see us more than ever before but a byproduct of that as I said could be paranoia and Wilson really really uh does a s..."

"so preent in so many regards that uh we have an inhouse Ai and essentially what I did was I had it dump virtually everything I have on Wilson in there and and you can map it it's it's usually a 30 to ..."

"know your existing beliefs when you enter Chapel bar peralis really start to unravel under the weight of paradox's inexplicable experiences kind of a Lial Zone again a Lial Zone we we use term now and..."

"know arthan Legend um you know which is uh you know this exploration of uh the the kind of magical mindset of the you know if you will the quote unquote Western mind right like uh um you know King Art..."

"know Wilson is so you know such a fan of modernist poetry that that he he you know recognizes this this uh this amazing metaphor that exists here that there's this space where a person you know must t..."

"gets this you know piece of clothing of course before he gets it he faces all these Horrors and terrible things within this you know a perilous chapel and um he is able to heal his fellow Knight when ..."

"maybe Young in Psychology uh theic Magic you know or you know the Western esoteric tradition uh Zen meditation high doses of psychedelics uh which is what Wilson was doing all at the same time in the ..."

"book Cosmic trigger volume one and um I after sort of examining his life and uh in the end of that book you know he he he's a nice he's a great writer so the end the book is a happy ending he exits Ch..."

"wonderful uh person to study when it comes to that then right um when uh exploring these Realms of human potential um Bob's voice is a is a nice one to hear and so um yeah just the way way that he exp..."

"going on and of course other presidents believed in sort of you know magic or you positive and new thinking so um Wilson made it his mission to explore this as well and he and he did so wonderfully an..."

"people of Chapel perilis is an interesting thing to me CU because Bob would say that like look it can either make you incredibly anxious and paranoid uh because it's going to manifest a you know chron..."

"his notion was if you are literally certain that your current map of reality reflects all of reality as it really is um well you're probably incredibly mistaken uh but but more importantly you're also..."

"uh information Hing our perception filters um we organize those and and make sense of them and create our own reality tunnel he had that great quote where you know the sad man lives in a sad world the..."

"books at the Tower Records and not really in the bookstore too much right and which uh you know all added to what made Tower Records cool you know uh Bob was sort of this kind of rock and roll philoso..."

"the South Shores of Brooklyn you know uh and um he had he was born at two years old he contracted polio and then he never really received a cure from polio he was born and got the disease virus before..."

"you know and I I say that not as a poetic metaphor but I believe you know the heart is the second muscle excuse me the heart is the second brain uh there's s there's you know many books on that today ..."

"words through his whole being when he was writing as uh people who he enjoyed like people like Henry Miller right that's someone who I enjoyed I should say but um you know the these are writers who gr..."

"here and um it's it it takes place uh finans WG takes place in a dream state you know whereas Joseph Campbell described it uh that's a non- Arista tilian State uh you know the the rules of uh a ration..."

"our aspects of ourselves right so um we are always in a limal state right so um in order to really move through say the chapel peralis with this uh state of mind looking at the world uh through uh a f..."

"fact it is not and and thus that gave birth to uh Bob's insistence on um you know vanon nyman's thirdd category of maybe right maybe it's this way but we really need to ask questions another thing tha..."

"first to see that a lot of emotional plagues I call them mind viruses uh are are always acting on us right and and yet the only way for people to understand that is to understand that there are these ..."

"his suggestions for uh getting free of it for sure yeah Jim uh great points you just raised especially I love that story too with the uh the story of the supposed thief and the you know the farmer see..."

"myu uh Teachers College for a brief amount of time I mean he did go to college he definitely you know he only left uh that teacher College after he met arand and started his family in the late 1950s a..."

"right and some of the other contemporaries too especially John C ly I think there's some confusion in in on the web these days about John C Lily um and uh but Robert Anon Wilson you know um you know a..."

"all of his books and scientific equipment destroyed uh because the FDA uh you know said that he broke the law by sending you know equipment through the mail that said that it could you know heal cance..."

"great book um well you know that was that was reich's approach in a way that like our subconscious existed within our our physical body so if you could heal that you could heal parts of your subconsci..."

"like I guess look at your own stuff right without a to cast a colder eye right to to not get too wrapped up in The Narrative of how hard it is but and just observe it everything like a scientist which..."

"you are aware of your awareness right you see how powerful it is and um you know many people report having psychedelic experiences where they become come very aware of how their you know the the how t..."

"have to make a choice you're either going to stay in the street or you're going to move and uh Wilson I think you know he's very clear he's asking people to develop a more nuon state of mind but you'r..."

"is right uh but and the point but only some of them could literally see the ships because they never seen a ship before and so this is seemingly impossible how could this thing exist and so if that st..."

"uh they use the term critical activation period uh imprinting is associated with uh Conrad Conrad Loren who was the you know the ethologist or the biologist uh some kind of olist who studied you know ..."

"counterculture education which was a cooler understanding of things and and Wilson wasn't just blowing proverbial smoke I mean this guy could hold his own with uh major thinkers of his day um and uh a..."

"document that he was able to be a voice for that he was at least I get that from him I'm sure you get that from him he's an inspiring voice to get you going in the chapel perilous right he's very clea..."

"why he is an agnostic Gnostic uh that's why he is a you know an ultra skeptic and like an open eyed believer in you know the most positive uh projection of humanity I mean he he he liked to explore fo..."

"his work into my book uh and and to to present it you know in the vein of of Wilson and you know which is like to be as iridite as imagistically uh uh uh you know focused as possible you know get to t..."

"an a Very analytical mind said Wilson right like uh my mind was more artistically inclined Wilson's mind is like an engineer and uh that's why he's like well so before I go much further uh to to to ju..."

"your perception in the moment um you know again it's just the way that Wilson writes is so appealing to me um you know and the way that he's able to you know the Thinker and the prover uh it's not eve..."

"that mapor attributing people as he's writing but then making it his own because what he does with the Thinker and the prover is just brilliant because uh he's able to kind of elucidate this uh this a..."

"in doing that in seeking to find patterns we always want to make predictions right and uh and we're you know again Wilson is clear like we're we're constantly evolving you know homo sapien sapien like..."

"without sounding like a new AG like fool you know like because the there's a real you know uh discussion going on and to learn that is essential right and um and I think Wilson inspires uh he he can i..."

"reads Wilson in in that regard and I that's the way I love reading Wilson I think it makes sense if the first encounter with Wilson is quantum psychology because he really is in the groove at that mom..."

"fighting because he understands the greater the greater good of it all and that's the message that Wilson is putting out there I think he he reaches for that as as a writer as a thinker he's always tr..."

"describe what's going on in this world another way is how Bob said it he's like I look at me and my friends as we are the you know the change agents if you will we're the ones that are going to make t..."