"and so our goal was a natural looking gate it was real it was surprisingly hard to get that to work um and we but we did build an early machine uh we called it pet man prototype it was the Prototype b..."

"when did you first fall in love with robotics let's start with love and robots well"

"let's start with love and robots well love is is relevant because I think the the fascination the Deep Fascination is really about movement and uh I was visiting MIT looking for a place to get a PhD a..."

"body do what it wants to do trying to discover the efficient movement it's definitely more efficient it also becomes easier to control in its own way because the physics are solving some of the proble..."

"don't think it's Unique to robotics I think anybody also who is just pursuing something they love it's easier to work hard at it and be good at it and um not everybody gets to find that I I do feel lu..."

"uh important lesson I think that uh I got from Mark how crazy is the effort of doing legged robotics at that time especially you know Mark got some stuff to work uh starting from the simple ideas oh s..."

"um and that was not something everybody was doing you know at that time now the world's changing now and I I I think the approach is to controlling robots are going to change um but uh and they're goi..."

"been a a principle as well so just the link on that psychologically how do you deal with that because I remember I had uh uh I built a RC car with that some uh it had some custom stuff like compute on..."

"something about um and being a competitive uh athlete there's something about seeing a movement you know a coach one of their greatest strengths a coach has is being able to see you know some little c..."

"uh rain range of conditions and it's uh and it's more beautiful and attractive at the same time so how hard is it to get the humanoid robot Atlas to do some of the things that's recently been doing le..."

"Atlas if you could just like Linger on it what are some challenges of getting good walking so is it uh is this is this partially like a hardware like actuator problem is it the control is it the artis..."

"here that it's uh maybe you can correct me but is it under actuated are you falling under actuated is the right word right you can't you can't uh push the robot in any direction you want to right and ..."

"else and so dealing with all of that interaction does make the humanoid a much more complicated platform and I also saw that at least recently you've been doing more explicit modeling of the stuff you..."

"a quicker process so being able to explicitly model new things that it might need to pick up new type of thing and you know to some degree you don't you don't want to have to pay too much attention to..."

"generation of Atlas and we're probably going to be in the realm of a person can't do it you know with this with the Next Generation you know the robots the actuators are going to get stronger where th..."

"process you learn a lot like a lot of lessons and you keep improving not just how to make the backflip work but everything and how to build the machine better yeah yeah I mean is there something about..."

"DARPA challenges it uh was first with autonomous vehicles and there's a lot of interesting challenges around that and the DARPA robotics challenge is when uh humanoid robots were tasked to do all kind..."

"we provided the robot and some baseline software but we didn't we didn't actually compete as a participant uh where we were trying to uh you know Drive the robot through this maze we were just trying ..."

"multi-purpose robot and that's just darn hard and so some of you know there's these curious little failures like I remember one of the a robot you know the first the first time you start to try to pus..."

"quickly what's the challenge of running things pretty quickly a thousand Hertz of acting and sensing quickly you know there's a few different layers of that you you want at the lowest level you like t..."

"we had you know 10 years ago we had to have pretty simple models that we were running you know at those fast rates because the computers weren't as capable about calculating forward with a sophisticat..."

"the actual robot uh how hard is it to do uh realistic simulation physics-based simulation of of Atlas such that I mean the dream is like if it works in simulation works perfectly in reality how hard i..."

"being able to walk with Atlas in the sand along the beach and us both drinking a beer yeah maybe we can out of a kid maybe Atlas could spill his beer because he's got nowhere to put it Alice could wal..."

"we just uh link on the the robotics challenge there's a there's a pile of uh like Rubble they had to walk over is that's um how difficult is that task in the early days of developing big dog the loose..."

"so you mentioned big dog can you can we maybe take a stroll through the history of Boston Dynamics uh so what and who's Big Dog by the way is who do you try not to anthropomorphize the robots do you t..."

"but it's also can be a bit of a curse because I think people look at these machines and they attribute a level of intelligence that the machines don't have why because again they've seen things move l..."

"personally is very interesting I've been um I happen to have a lot of legged robots I hope uh to have a lot of spots in my possession um I'm interested in celebrating Robotics and celebrating companie..."

"going to be really important and um it's a thing we're we're beginning to pay attention to um we really want to start a differentiator for the company has always been we really want the robot to work ..."

"and more important it wasn't sort of our starting point um you know but now the the robots are really out in the world and you know we have about a thousand of them out with with customers right now t..."

"little bit of Robotics with Sony they had uh IBO the their IBO robot we were developing some software for that that kind of got us a little bit involved with robotics again then there's this opportuni..."

"first one you're the very earliest ones you know it didn't work very well and we would take them out and it was hard to get you know uh you know a go-kart engine driving a hydraulic that's not what it..."

"to carry everything that said that thing was big well I've seen the videos yeah I mean the the early versions you know stood about I don't know belly High chest High um you know they probably weighed ..."

"a whole series of robots so once once we showed to darpan that you could make it like a robot that could work there was a period at DARPA where robotics got really hot and there was lots of different ..."

"so when uh was spot born 2000 and uh 12 or so so again almost 10 years into sort of a run with DARPA where we built a bunch of different quadrupeds we had a sort of a different thread where we started..."

"you know a consumer level product something that would work in your house we didn't think that was the right next thing to do because to be a consumer level product cost is going to be very important ..."

"so what can you say to the almost the engineering challenge of bringing down costs of a robot so that presumably when you try to build the robot at scale that also comes into play when you're trying t..."

"and because they're so invested in what we're doing they're interested in and we'll go work on on those problems as well and so I think we're managing that transition very well in fact I'm really plea..."

"and that's really a reliability test for us so we have these robots programmed to do autonomous missions get up off their charging dock walk around the building collect data at a few different places ..."

"about some of the cost cutting from the from the manufacturer side what what have you learned from the manufacturer side of the transition from r d and we're still we're still learning a lot there um ..."

"these machines we're already thinking about what the next generation of spots going to look like spot was built as a platform so you could put almost any sensor on it and we provided data Communicatio..."

"you know and uh it's a it's an attachable payload um it has you know several Motors and actuators and sensors it has a camera in the end of its hand so you know you can sort of see something the and t..."

"manipulation task that just you can program easily uh with the robot strictly through you know we have a tablet interface and so on the tablet you know you sort of see the The View that spot sees you ..."

"everything in between and it does everything all the coordinated movement of all the different actuators that include the body and it maintains its balance it it walks itself you know into position so..."

"been uh successful for many years of finding a way to make money well in the early days of course you know the money we made was from doing contract r d work and we made money but you know we weren't ..."

"our first deliveries of stretch to customers were DHL and Maersk in January we're delivering a gap right now and we have about seven or eight other customers all who've already agreed in advance to bu..."

"know it wasn't going to have this balance problem and in fact the very first version of the logistics robot we build was a balancing robot and that's called handle and there's that thing was epic oh i..."

"but it was going to have a big long arm so it could reach a box at the top of a truck and it was gonna it needed yet another counterbalance a big tail to help it balance while it was using its arm so ..."

"and so we ended up building stretch which has a big heavy base with a giant battery in the base of it that allows it to run for two two shifts 16 hours worth of operation and that big battery is sort ..."

"them as well can you say how much stretch cost um not yet uh but I will say that uh we when we engage with our customers they'll be able to see a return on investment in typically two years okay so th..."

"of uh social robotics of using spot to connect with human beings perhaps in the home do you see a future there if we were to sort of hypothesize or dream about a future where a spot like robots are in..."

"and so yeah maybe we'll be able to build a smaller spot with an arm that could really go get your beer for you but there's things we need to figure out still how to safely really safely if you're goin..."

"those are pretty complex tasks and so there's there's still work to be done there so to push back on that here's what application I think they'll be very interesting I think the application of being a..."

"we really want to start from that Foundation of utility I think yeah but I I also want to predict that you're wrong on that so which is that the very path you're taking which is creating a great robot..."

"balance between let's build a business that makes money I've been describing that to my own team as uh self-destination if I want to if I want to drive my own ship we need to have a business that's pr..."

"and in fact what we've seen is that uh in addition to Tesla uh we're seeing a proliferation of uh robotic companies arise including humanoid yes oh well yeah so and um interestingly many of them uh as..."

"Eli is also kind of stated that uh you know maybe he implied that the problem is solvable in your term which is a low-cost humanoid robot that's able to do that's a relatively General use case robot s..."

"the end yeah we were trying to show the world that not only can we do this parkour Mobility thing but we can pick up and move heavy things because uh if you're going to work in a manufacturing environ..."

"you know Elon has seen the same thing right he's talking about using the robots in a manufacturing environment we think there's something very interesting there about having this two-armed robot becau..."

"Hyundai are doing pretty well I love it uh so how much so we've talked about some of the low level controls some of the incredible stuff that's going on and basic perception but how much do you see in..."

"an ecosystem of providers doing stuff like that I and I I think ultimately you might even be able to do the same thing with behaviors so this technology will also be brought to bear on controlling the..."

"large language models like gpt4 like everybody else we're all you know I'm I'm surprised at uh how much uh how far they've come um I'm a little bit nervous about the there's anxiety around them obviou..."

"so and again just like in that image there's a fear that robots will take our jobs I just um I took a ride I was in San Francisco I know way more Vehicles than autonomous vehicle and uh I've done it s..."

"transformation and I think the same can be said for a lot of manual labor that we're doing today and on top of that you know look we're we're entering a new world where where demographics are going to..."

"the scary impact I think again uh gbt comes to the rescue in terms of being much more terrifying um the scary scary impact of basically so I I'm a I guess a software person inside a program a lot and ..."

"we authored a letter and then got several leading robotics companies around the world including you know unitary and China and um agility here in the United States and um animal and in Europe and you ..."

"to help force that issue and so we are in fact I have a policy you know director at my company whose job it is to engage with the public to enjoy engage with interested parties and including Regulator..."

"who probably is maybe a better engineer than I am um adaptability you know part of the it's been a great career for me I never would have guessed I'd stayed in one place for 30 years um and the job ha..."

"I understand why you're right they're hiring tens of thousands of people they need a more standardized process so they would sort of err on the other side where they would ask you a standard question ..."

"somebody admires um Jim Keller and he he likes details so one of the ways you could if you get a person to talk about what they're interested in how many details like how much of the Whiteboard can yo..."

"um the most elegant movement done by robots so I I can't wait thank you to uh what maybe other people that built on top of uh Boston Dynamics robots or boss or Boston Dynamics by itself so you had uh ..."

"be a lot better at it as a result um I think it's hard to plan you know don't get too hung up on planning too far ahead find things that you like doing and then see where it takes you you can always c..."

"I think the robots will be ubiquitous and they will be out amongst us um and they'll be certainly doing you know some of the hard labor that we do today I don't think people don't want to work people ..."

"for you well I have to say it's inklings of that already started happening for me some of my best friends are robots uh and I have you to thank for leading the way in in the accessibility and the ease..."