"the way I would do it 75% headcount reduction across the board in the federal bureaucracy send them home packing shut down agencies that shouldn't exist resend every unconstitutional regulation that C..."

"Republic that I think would make George Washington proud the following is a conversation with VC ramaswami about the future of conservatism in America he has written many books on this topic including..."

"Swami you are one of the great elucidator of conservative ideas so you're the perfect person to ask uh what is conservatism what's your let's say conservative vision for America well actually this is ..."

"so they tried to blame Donald Trump they tried to blame abortion they blamed a bunch of individual specific issues or factors I think the real reason we didn't have that red wave was that we got so pr..."

"country you think about even the abandonment of the rule of law at the southern border it's particularly personal to me as the kid of legal immigrants to this country you and I actually share a couple..."

"yeah we'll talk about each of those issues immigration the growing bureaucracy of government religion is a really interesting topic something you spoken about a lot uh but you've also had a lot of rea..."

"case for the leftwing view in modern America so what's your criticism of that so my concern with it is even if that's well motivated I think that it recreates many of the same problems that they were ..."

"where if you put 20,000 people in a community where 50,000 people where the 20,000 are coming in don't know the language are unable to follow the traffic laws are unable to assimilate you know there's..."

"vision of group Equity necessarily comes at the cost of meritocracy and so those are be my two reasons for opposing the view is one is it's not meritocratic but number two is it often even has the eff..."

"the name of diversity it actually has been a vehicle for sacrificing true diversity of thought so the way the argument goes is this is that we have to create an environment that is receptive to minori..."

"workplace for all kinds of Americans by focusing only on certain kinds of so-called diversity that translates into actually not even a diversity of your genetics which is what they claim to be solving..."

"deflect accountability can say the same thing with respect to the educational system it's a lot easier to claim that and I'm not the one making this claim but others have made this claim that math is ..."

"many ways bureaucracy I think carves the channels through which much of this woke ideology has flowed over the last several years and that's why part of my focus has shifted away from just combating w..."

"doers don't get to to do uh but like you said bureaucracy is uh a phenomena of both the left and the right this is not it's not even a left or right it's it's it's just transcends that but it's anti-A..."

"right now you're sitting in a on a swivel chair mhm okay who invented the swivel chair Thomas Jefferson yes Thomas Jefferson funny enough he invented the swivel chair while he was writing the Declarat..."

"world view right the Old World Vision was that we the people cannot be trusted to self-govern or make decisions for ourselves we would burn ourselves off the planet is the modern version of this with ..."

"down yeah speaking of shutting most of it down how do you propose we do that how do we make government more efficient how do make it smaller what the diff What are the different ideas of how to do tha..."

"of which risk you're going to take I believe in the moment we live in right now the second risk is the risk we have to be willing to take and we haven't had we haven't had a class of politician I Dona..."

"like video of uh Argentinian president Harry MLA we're on a whiteboard he has all the I think 18 Ministries lined up and he's like he's ripping like dep Department of Education gone and he's just gone..."

"to be but part of that decline is driven by the rise of this managerial class the bureaucracy sucking the lifeblood out of the country sucking the lifeblood out of our Innovative culture a culture of ..."

"smaller and more restrained spending a lot less money to operate it and most people have run a company especially larger companies know this it's 25% of the people who do 80 to 90% of the useful work ..."

"by the way that kind of thing would attract the ultra component to actually want to work in government exactly which you're missing today because right now the government would swallow them up most co..."

"that's the goal of the Department of HHS to set policies or at least to implement policies that best achieve that goal but you can't and maybe that's the right statement of the mission maybe it's not ..."

"whether that's a school whether that's a company whether that's a government and so the way I think about it leex is there's a there sort of a balance of distributed power um I don't mean power in the..."

"creators who are in many ways constrained hamstr strong Shackled In a straight jacket from achieving the maximum of their own potential contributions and um you know I I I certainly feel that myself I..."

"one of the things we've learned is that the school districts in the inner city many of which are predominantly black actually spend more money per student than other school districts for a worse resul..."

"more damage along the way so you asked me to steal man it and can I say something constructive rather than just you know pounding down on the other side one way to think about this is for a lot of the..."

"government rather than today it's a one-way ratchet once you cause it to come into existence you cause new things to come into existence but the old one that came into existence continues to persist a..."

"role of a government what about infrastructure look I think that most infrastructure can be dealt with through the private sector I mean you can get into specifics you could infrastructure that's spec..."

"answer that I just did so if we get government out of Education would you be also for reducing the size of government in the states for educ for something like I here if it goes closer to municipaliti..."

"given this conversation uh what do you think of elon's proposal of the Department of government efficiency in in the uh Trump Administration or really any Administration I'm I'm uh of course biased be..."

"this conversation but I think we would continue to have this conversation is where does it rank on our prioritization list because there's always going to be a trade-off if you have a different policy..."

"more moreover it is a it's an assault and a crusade on the nanny State itself and that Nanny State presents itself in several forms there's the entitlement State that's the welfare state presents itse..."

"entitlement State the regulatory State and the foreign policy in any state once we've done that we've revived the Republic that I think would make George Washington proud so you mentioned Department o..."

"and I think that it was easy for many people from the neocon school of thought to caricature My Views with the media at their side but actually my own view is if it's in the interest of the United Sta..."

"again might as well you know take the Gamble and see where I end up at the end of a war versus the restraint that that imposes on the decision-making of those allies so now let's bring this bring this..."

"people that says oh we decrease versus increase National defense spending we're not spending it in the right places the number one place we need to be spending it is actually in protecting our Nationa..."

"entrusted with supposedly enforcing the law are actually behaving with utter blatant disregard for the law itself that's unamerican it's not tenable in the United States of America but thankfully we n..."

"State I think that's the next step but I do think there's this broader project of dismantling The Nanny state in all of its forms the entitlement State the regulatory State and the foreign policy in a..."

"going on there's one other Factor so so so you're right to point I mean the legal backdrop is is a valid understandable excuse in reason um I think there are other factors at play too so I think there..."

"president but if you have a Century's worth of mistakes that have accumulated with the overgrowth of the entitlement state in the US I think it's going to take you know probably the better part of a d..."

"have for dismantling that bureaucratic class and you know I think that I'm also open about the fact that it's going to take this is a long run project but we have the next step to actually the next st..."

"certainly in my lifetime but I do think that there are going to be competing schools of thought where some will say okay well we want to create a right-wing entitlement state right to shower Federal s..."

"full-time and it's not it's not only full-time in terms of actual time it's full-time psychologically because you're walking into a place unlike a company like Twitter an already successful company in..."

"country okay I'll give you an example that's really difficult tension given your priorities immigration there's an estimated 14 million illegal immigrants in the United States you've spoken about Mass..."

"property rights there's a lot else most of what the government's doing today both at the federal and state level is something other than those two things but in my book those are the two things that a..."

"you look at the number of people who are looking after the Border it's not even 0.1% of the federal employee Base today so 75% isn't 99.99% it's 75% which still leaves that it would still be a tiny fr..."

"treat human beings in particular separation of families for example uh tearing families apart um and the other is just like the logistical complexity of doing something like this how do you answer to ..."

"rule of law we enforce laws that has costs that has trade-offs but it's who we are so that backdrop is and the easiest fact I can cite is 350,000 or so mothers who are in prison and did not take their..."

"country of origin or at least what is called a safe Third Country so safe Third Country means even if somebody's claiming to seek Asylum from political persecution will move them to another country th..."

"or Refugee status there was a case actually even the New York Times reported on this Believe It or Not of a woman who came from Russia fleeing Vladimir Putin's intolerant LGBT anti-lgbtq regime she wa..."

"well to expand every sphere we talk about from the military-industrial complex to the rise of the managerial class to a lot of what our government's covered up about our own history to even this quest..."

"is built on honesty identify what the objective is we could debate the objectives we might have different opinions on the objectives some people may say the objective is the economic growth of the Uni..."

"our immigration system and the reason is because the law says you only get Asylum if you're going to face bodily harm or near-term risk of bodily injury based on your religion your ethnicity or certai..."

"implement that we require acknowledging what the goals of our immigration system are in the first place and there we have competing Visions on the right okay amongst conservatives there's a rift some ..."

"VC uh she said well maybe maybe you but not people like you so that whole kind of approach to immigration I think is really anti- meritocratic even anti-American anti-American yeah so I want to confro..."

"contexts than in the United States so that's the first re American exceptional becomes impossible the second is there's all kinds of contradictions that then start to emerge if your claim on American ..."

"movement goes in the future uh quick pause bath break yeah let me ask you to uh again steal me on the case for and against Trump so my biggest criticism for him is uh the fake elector scheme the 2020 ..."

"well now that being said that's just a philosophy okay that's a personal philosophy you asked me to to do something different and I'm always a fan I one of the things that the standard I hope that peo..."

"relationship with the truth and knows what truth is what is true and what is not true and moreover I want a person who doesn't play victim like you said who focuses on winning and winning big and if t..."

"term that he wasn't able to for one reason or another you know Co you could put a lot of different things on it but in that first term now I think the facts of the backdrop of the election actually li..."

"presidential election that was election interference of the highest order so I think that that's just a hard fact that we have to contend with and I think a lot of what you've heard in terms of compla..."

"Stone elections and fake ballots and I think the fact that you see resistance to that proposal which is otherwise very practical very reasonable nonpartisan proposal I think the fact of that resistanc..."

"Democrats suppress that information to lift up Republicans if there was an instance that we know of government bureaucrats that were ordering technology companies covertly to silence information that ..."

"one is bias in reporting one is censorship of information so bias in reporting I felt certainly the recent presidential debate moderated by ABC was biased in the way that it was conducted but that's a..."

"interference in the election let's do a thought experiment here let's suppose that Russia orchestrated that what would the backlash be let's say the Russian government orchestrated the US election was..."

"by doing another wrong you can't just if there's some shitty Shady stuff going on in the media and the censorship complex you can't just make up you can't do the fake fake elector scheme and then do a..."

"that military alliance with China in return for that able to provide Russia some things that are important to Russia we'd have to have a reasonable reasonable discussion about what the territorial con..."

"no joint military exercises no military collaborations these are monitorable these are monitorable attributes if there's cheating on that we're going to immediately have consequences as a consequence ..."

"Russia as part of that deal right because it's it's not a zero sum game alone with Ukraine on the losing end of this I think reopening economic relations with the West would be a big win for Russia bu..."

"peace is that not everyone's going to be happy about every attribute but I could make a case that a an immediate peace deal is also now in the best interests of Ukraine let's just rewind the clock we'..."

"continuing to die without any increased leverage and actually getting the outcome that they want so I think there's an opportunity for a win-win-win a win for the United States in the west more broadl..."

"of this particular Nation right so you want to not just stop the death of people and the destruction but also provide a foundation on which you can rebuild the country and build a a flourishing future..."

"contrast to situation where there's only one thing that matters for each side then I can't tell you that there's a deal to be done there's definitely a deal to be done here and I think that it require..."

"so the first thing I want to make sure we avoid is a major conflict between the United States and China like a World War level conflict and the way to do that is to bring down the existential Stakes f..."

"our own military as a side note I believe that means not just onshoring to the United States it does but if we're really serious about that it also means expanding our relationships with allies like J..."

"has Hypersonic missiles and missile capabilities that are ahead of that of China's if Russia's no longer in a military alliance with China that changes China's calculus as well so that's kind of I thi..."

"clear I think that that hard red line I was clear during my campaign on this so I'll say it again is I think that we have to have a clear red line that China will not and should not for any time in th..."

"priorities are we're also dependent on CH on Taiwan right now for our own semiconductor supply chain so China knows that's going to draw us into serious conflict in in that circumstance so against the..."

"result in major conflict with China here it's going to require real leadership leadership with a spine and you don't have to judge based on international relations Theory to form your view on this fou..."

"why I ran for president on a campaign centered on national pride it's also why I'm not only voting for but actively supporting Donald Trump because I do think he is going to be the one that restores t..."

"mean that's a long time from now and I'm most focused on what I can do in the next chapter for the country I ran for president million things that I learned from that experience that you can only lear..."

"but uh the next step is not running for president the next step is what happens in the next next four years and that's why over the next four weeks I'm focused on doing whatever I can to make sure we ..."

"we I would love nothing more than to see that in 2028 who do you think so for me I would love to see in some kind of future where it's you versus somebody like Tim Walls so to Tim Walls maybe I'm lack..."

"you know foresee him running for president but you I had a debate last year when I was running for president with Rana who say what you will about him he's an highly intelligent person and is somebody..."

"give yourself the space to reflect to reenter yourself on the why had I done that I think I would have been even more centered on the the mission the whole time rather than you know you get attacked o..."

"psychology of being able to be calm through all of that which you seem to be able I enjoy debate and for me I think just in ordinary life forget about like a formal debate setting whenever I've receiv..."

"beautiful about America right because it's part of the culture of this country more so than you know other countries you know China or India you know Asian cultures even a lot of European cultures are..."

"the heat I love the Heat and I'm a curious person so I'm kind of I'm always curious about what's actually getting the other what's motivating the person on the other side that Curiosity I think is act..."

"should lean into that you're a curious person I know this podcast is basically born of your curiosity I'm sure and so I just think we need more of that in America that kind of you when I talked about ..."

"Concept in America but uh it's certainly something that is important to me and this year it's been kind of cool after leaving the campaign I've been doing I've been doing a wide range of things right ..."

"the private sector has actually given me a renewed sense of of energy to you know get back into driving change through Public Service well it's been uh fun watching you do all these fascinating things..."