"get clear on your objective function and one way that I've gotten clear on is like trying to think about it from future me because like five years from now I'm not going to give a if I made the presen..."

"requires me to rethink my priorities today my guest is JM Nichols JM has been a product leader at at weo door Dash and Uber he was also an engineering manager at Groupon and before that an equity Trad..."

"Nichols JM thank you so much for being here welcome to the podcast thank you Lenny thanks for having me I'm thrilled to be here um really appreciate your dedication to helping product managers kind of..."

"leadership piece so just like the the conscious piece then is becoming more aware waking up right to me it's like learning more about my interior world you know what um you know my background is my bi..."

"was it Theodore Roosevelt speak softly and carry a big stick so um yeah I think I've evolved in that department I think when I was younger in my career I thought it was really important that you know ..."

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"parts of that era were like you know Travis was a very great Visionary product leader and we started atg and Elevate and sort of these sort of future forward things and you know the way he would condu..."

"your Uber question yeah the Uber 1.0 was crazy Uber 2.0 was kind of like you know Travis is out the board is feuding there's leaking to Mike Isaac whatever and then Dar comes in and you know kind of T..."

"the thought just allow it you know I like let me show you why it doesn't work I said don't think of a pink elephant what' you just think of and he's like a pink elephant and then now it's hilar to tel..."

"think in the Buddhist lineage around those those Concepts and then the next piece for me once I can take a breath and relax a little bit is coming home to the fact that I uh this is a little more radi..."

"job's presentation you know there'll be another one right like it's okay you know it's and think it it's practice the other thing is like from the fear threat state I'm like uh oh this is a risk alarm..."

"dropped focusing all that because like for my first few years of u i was came out sen year pm and then I finally got my groove and started kind of you know moving through the the product ladder and it..."

"sense of belonging and identity and sort of meaning and from that place it's like I'm just I I've just dropped the kind of kind of egoic self-centered focus on you know whether I did good in the prese..."

"company and the level of seniority right when you're in ic you're probably hopefully doing more actual work and uh you know uh leaders are supporting them and presenting and communicating that work so..."

"had this quote from one of your colleagues Brent Goldman Jam Thinks Big has lots of great ideas will yes and to other people's ideas will inspire everyone around him to be more creative ambitious and ..."

"that's like the the first step so that's where I feel enormously lucky because again like this you know revolutionizing transportation and car ownership and what happens with autonomy and form factors..."

"that's like you know like when ean's like well why does the rocket cost you know gazillion dollars to launch and you know like there's no reason they have to throw away the materials and you know it's..."

"or or is all the space repurpose and actually it's cheaper to live in the city because compact things blah blah blah you know it's not even about having the right one it's more just like kind of devel..."

"I try to think about right like what are the likely things to be true in the future and then how does that lead to a potential kind of ecosystem and strategy around what we might build you know toward..."

"Tailwind or a headwind you know both are overcomable but like having some awareness of of the religious ship between those things is is good yeah and I think like you know Transportation Uber way mod ..."

"first step for me is just getting out of the craziness of day-to-day like to me it's still insane like how many product managers leaders of all kinds right just run the schedule of like back-to-back m..."

"kind of iterate it right like I had some vision of the future and someone points out something that you know is a little bit you know off with it or has a better idea or you know you kind of you're th..."

"streamline Security reviews get $1,000 off vanta when you go to v.com Lenny that's v.com Lenny something I've started to do which is hard but I find really valuable is when I'm driving to not play any..."

"here is there in this meeting that you have this ideation brainstorming meeting is there anything that came out of that that was like really surprising or new from a recent experience is there anythin..."

"and so it was kind of a us around like okay well you know now that we have taxi in the platform and we have Fleet providers and we're starting to add Whos and Crews and other things you know we have t..."

"cited marketplace now that's wild one last nugget I wanted to just reinforce that you shared about how to become better at strategy and vision developing great and interesting and Innovative strategy ..."

"micer that that to me again translates to yeah I don't have a to-do list of 20 things right I try to have a to-do list of three of the most important highest leverage things that could you know kind o..."

"periodically and that's it that gets you most of the way it's crazy I read that book like 20 years ago at this point and there's this like elements that still make things like I leverage and benefit f..."

"it was mind like water that's the one that stuck with me yeah where nothing you need to remember can be in your head it needs to be written down anyway and let's not go into a whole productivity podca..."

"distance rates but also you know we do incenses for drivers where it's like if you drive this many hours a week you get a bonus and there's also sech pricing and like how to tile the systems together ..."

"balance um and it's you know can you can you adjust again it's Dynamic I think there's times where you're in a soul searching sort of what is our product strategy you know we got a pivot maybe you're ..."

"I love that it's a almost a different flavor of I think the Bezos saying of you know he's like I like a crisp a crisp Dock and a messy meeting right the whole Amazon thing if you have the you know the..."

"sense right and so you know for a long time I think Uber kind of took that too far got to the poity like drivers are commodity you know blah blah blah and they had to flip that back and start you know..."

"so it's like there's a trade-off there yeah yeah that's like at everyb andb there's always this should we optimize for host should we optimize for guests and it was always this like this time guests a..."

"you see them driving in fog and rain and puddles and like you know it's like wow that's pretty cool but I think what what what wayo uh was learning and I was trying to help them learn is that you know..."

"and the autonomy so yeah I think these companies will have an interesting question right like do they go alone build their own rer network to capture all the value or do they say well I could just wor..."

"but start with just you know acknowledging it to yourself and so for me the wisdom of emotions is you know fear is something wants to be paid attention to right like there whe there can be the saber-t..."

"he was trying to answer this question of like you know he teaches whatever you know MBA students at at Harvard and U he's like wow all these executives are super successful they like fortunate 500 exa..."

"reached our very exciting lightning round Jam are you ready I'm ready let's do it okay first question what are two or three books that You' recommended most to other people uh in the realm of the soft..."

"definitely recommend first another one more in the content world is um I think you had Nancy dwart on your podcast at one point but love or DW sorry I love her book resonate and then she has some othe..."

"audience at the end is like sweaty palms and like I want to help build that future you know what do you need you need money you need time resources you to join your company like great you know so anyw..."

"there's YouTube videos there's some awesome YouTube videos of him that uh are wor watching we'll L to some of those and then ncy dwarte she shared exactly that lesson on the podcast that she had that ..."

"of that is like if I don't sleep well uh you know didn't get enough sleep or doesn't sleep well like you're already starting off a bad foot so yeah if you haven't checked out eat sleep H great product..."

"very first part of that which is uh he says beyond all polarities I am let the judgments and opinions of the Mind be the judgments and opinions of the mind and you exist behind that awesome so sometim..."

"name kenic kenic Tris kenic yeah yeah I'll share a quick one that's uh short but but sweet hilarious to me maybe what we known um so what we we used to have the Uber office at 1455 Market right and so..."