"the following is a conversation with avi loeb an astrophysicist astronomer and cosmologist at harvard he has authored over 800 papers and written eight books including his latest called extraterrestri..."

"your new book extraterrestrial you write this book confronts one of the universe's most profound questions are we alone over time this question has been framed in different ways is life here on earth ..."

"sun-like stars formed earlier and some of them already died you know became white dwarfs and so if you imagine that a civilization like ours existed around a typical sun-like star by now if they survi..."

"right without something that to us humans looks like consciousness and there you know there is a sad feeling i have that consciousness too in terms of us being humble is a thing we humans take too ser..."

"well let's uh talk about the probably the most interesting object i've heard about and also the most fun to pronounce can you tell me the story of this object and why it may be an important event in h..."

"let me yes what do you mean by space junk so um i think you know you might ask why aren't they looking for us one possibility is that we are not interesting like we were talking about another possibil..."

"could be very far away yeah we have no clue you said cocoon that and you kind of uh uh paint uh i think in the book i've read a lot of your articles too on scientific american which are brilliant so i..."

"explore all kinds of possible hypotheses but always the pursuit of those the the scientific rigor around those hypotheses is ultimately get evidence knowledge is of of what nature is should be a dialo..."

"you can look for industrial pollution in the atmosphere supply why do i bring this up again to show you the conservatism of the mainstream in astronomy and by the way i shouldn't you know i have leade..."

"the public if the public says i care about this and you say no no that's not sophisticated enough for me i want to do intellectual gymnastics on auntie the sitter space to me that's a crime yes i'd uh..."

"recommend regarding it as an archaeological site yes and looking for objects that are strange maybe it collected some trash you know from interstellar space if we could just linger on the on the drake..."

"because we don't live at a special time so that's you know well of course if we get our act together and we somehow start to cooperate rather than fighting each other killing each other you know wasti..."

"in terms of the durations the civilization the copernican principle so nevertheless this particular signal is likely to be uh human interference perhaps but um yeah do you find the proxima be interest..."

"the point is people didn't get excited about space since the apollo yes uh era and it's about time you know for us to go into space a couple of months ago i was asked to participate in a debate organi..."

"presentation you know the powerpoints presentation about you know our ambitions for visiting the nearest star and that was very surreal to me that [Laughter] oh like our origins in many ways this very..."

"bezos and elon musk that are commercially driven to go to space yes but it doesn't mean that what we will ultimately find is not new worlds you know that have nothing you know much have much more to o..."

"origin of all the bad things that happen yes and i think it's a key it's a key to be modest and to look at evidence and it's not a nuance now you might say oh okay the uneducated person might operate ..."

"gravitational lensing became popular and the idea is that you can deflect light by the force of gravity and then you can put the source behind the cluster of galaxies and then you will get these arcs ..."

"astronomers in their culture had the highest social status they were priests yes they were elevated and the reason was that they helped politicians decide when to go to war because they would tell the..."

"in a way your life and um you know if that happens to be the case a second nobel prize should be given not not for just the discovery of this black hole at the center of the galaxy but perhaps for the..."

"that there's holes and here's the methodology we're using to try to close those holes exactly let's be sincere why pretend so if there were no in a world where there would there were no prizes no hono..."

"explicit about saying you know being aware which is something i also recommend it's like being aware where the scientific community stands and doing enough to get like move along into your career in y..."

"interact with so the problem with the origin of the universe is all you can do is collect data about it right you can't interact with it well you can for example detect gravitational waves that emerge..."

"some small charge but you deal with anomalies by exploring possibilities that's the only way to do it and then collecting more data to check those and searching for technological signatures is the sam..."

"exercise my judgment yes and do the best i can you know turns out that i'm wrong i made a mistake you know that's part of the of the scientific endeavor you know and um it took me a while to recognize..."

"a small detour into uh philosophy is there by chance any books authors whether philosophical or not you mentioned sacha that stand out to you that were formative and some small or big way that perhaps..."

"the best way to corrupt the mind of young people is to tell them that they should agree with the common view you know and uh you know it goes back to the threat that went through our discussion yes yo..."

"but more importantly a sense of modesty because how can anyone be arrogant if they kept at the same time this notion that they are short-lived i mean you cannot be arrogant because anything that you a..."

"and you know it's like many other things in life you enjoy good food okay and you can enjoy learning why because it makes you uh appreciate better where you know the environment that you live in and s..."

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