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Ep.122 — Will Storr — The Status Game
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Will Storr is an award winning journalist and author. His book ‘The Status Game’ transforms our understanding of human nature by demonstrating how our unconscious desire for status ultimately drives our behaviour. Important Links: - Twitter: [https://twitter.com/wstorr?s=21&t=ZdtIqP9eE3_a5qZocDjEXQ] - Website: [https://willstorr.com] - The Science of Storytelling: [https://www.thescienceofstorytelling.com] Show Notes: 00:00 – Intro 02:32 – Main Podcast 09:02 – The strange case of David Irving 16:07 – The fundamental nature of Status Games 17:33 – The Stanford Prison experiment 26:06 – Status games by cults 33:03 – Luxury Beliefs 37:41 – We’re all moral Hypocrites 42:49 – Social and socioeconomic status 50:31 – Human OS 01:04:56 – WW1 humiliation of Germany 01:15:07 – Crazy Beliefs 01:17:56 – The Value of religion 01:20:03 – Trading Status 01:28:51 – You could be 100% wrong about some beliefs And more! - Will’s origin story - The importance of being funny - How status seeking leads to the “very best of human nature” - Loaded magazine - Spreading humility - Why we could be wrong about our closest beliefs Books Mentioned: - The Unpersuadables: Adventures with the Enemies of Science; by Will Storr - The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History; by Howard Bloom - The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism; by Howard Bloom - The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous; by Joseph Henrich - The Science of Storytelling; by Will Storr - Slaughterhouse-Five; by Kurt Vonnegut - Selfie: How We Became so Self-Obsessed and What It’s Doing to Us; by Will Storr - The Status Game: On Social Position and How We Use It; by Will Storr
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The Pursuit of Status
Will Storr introduces the concept that pursuing status is fundamental to influencing the world. He emphasizes that status is not merely about fame or wealth, but about feeling valued and connected within our social groups, which is a core human need.
"here's another one for you if you wanted to rule the world save the world by the world or [ __ ] the world the best thing is to do is to pursue status please"
Understanding Status Beyond Fame
Storr clarifies that the desire for status transcends superficial desires for fame or wealth. He argues that what we truly seek is a sense of value and belonging within our communities, highlighting the psychological impact of feeling unvalued.
"is to do is to pursue status please collaborate on that i love that line yes sir"
The Psychological Need for Value
In this segment, Storr discusses the fundamental human need for feeling valued. He explains how a lack of this feeling can lead to psychological and even physical suffering, underscoring the importance of social connection.
"yes sir so so so yeah i say so when i'm talking about status i'm not talking about i'm not"
Infinite Loops of Thought
Jim O'Shaughnessy introduces the podcast's theme of breaking free from infinite loops of thought. He aims to provide listeners with fresh perspectives on various issues, encouraging nuanced thinking through a multifaceted lens.
"status i'm not talking about i'm not arguing that everybody wants to be famous everybody wants to be rich everybody wants to be good looking although most of us do want to be rich and be looking i'm s..."
Introducing Will Storr
Jim O'Shaughnessy welcomes Will Storr, the best-selling author of 'The Status Game.' He highlights Storr's reputation as a leading journalist and the significance of his work in understanding human behavior and social dynamics.
"this episode of infinite loops jim o'shaughnessy is chairman and"
The Journey to Understanding Human Nature
O'Shaughnessy shares his journey of discovering Storr's work, reflecting on how fear drives human behavior. He connects this idea to Storr's exploration of status and its impact on our lives.
"jim o'shaughnessy is chairman and co-chief investment officer of o'shaughnessy asset management where jamie catherwood is an associate all opinions expressed by jim jamie and podcast guests are solely..."
The Role of Fear in Human Behavior
Storr and O'Shaughnessy discuss the concept that fear is a primary driver of human behavior. They explore how this emotional state influences our actions and decisions, shaping our understanding of the world.
"[Music] well hello everyone it's jim o'shaughnessy with another edition of internet loops my guest today i am excited to tell you is the best-selling author will store whose latest book the status gam..."
Exploring Belief Systems
The conversation shifts to the nature of belief systems. Storr emphasizes the importance of understanding how intelligent individuals can hold irrational beliefs, and how these beliefs shape their perceptions of reality.
"of our best journalists of ideas from selfie in the history of western self-obsession to the science of storytelling about how narrative shaped human lives and culture is books are just joyfully inter..."
The Complexity of Human Beliefs
Storr elaborates on the complexity of human beliefs, discussing how people construct arguments to justify their beliefs. He highlights the challenges of recognizing when we might be wrong about our convictions.
"what face it wears is the engine that drives humans as individuals and humanity as a species simply put we are primarily emotional creatures and our ruling emotion is fear with a detour through robert..."
The Irony of Intelligent Beliefs
In this segment, Storr discusses the irony that highly intelligent individuals can construct strong arguments for irrational beliefs. He explains how this phenomenon can lead to a disconnect from reality.
"revision of capitalism and joseph heinrich's book the weirdest people in the world how the west became psychologically peculiar and particularly prosperous i managed to get a deep understanding of how..."
David Irving's Case Study
Storr shares the case of David Irving, a historian who became infamous for his controversial beliefs about the Holocaust. He illustrates how intelligent individuals can arrive at misguided conclusions despite their knowledge.
"which will brilliantly details in books such as the unpersuadables adventures with the enemies of science the science of storytelling and the book we will be discussing mostly today the status game we..."
Conviction in Beliefs
The discussion continues with Storr emphasizing the conviction that individuals like Irving have in their beliefs. He highlights the dangers of such conviction when it leads to the spread of misinformation.
"insisted that i didn't play status games and then rob henderson and i were having a conversation and he was he's a young guy he's getting his phd at cambridge and he's like jim you do rick no i don't ..."
The Nature of Belief and Evidence
Storr and O'Shaughnessy explore the relationship between belief and evidence. They discuss how people often seek out information that confirms their beliefs rather than challenging them, leading to a skewed understanding of reality.
"because you you built such a wonderful case when i go through all of your books i am one who is swayed by data who is swayed by you know studies and you are very meticulous in the way you handle these..."
The Challenge of Falsifiability
In this segment, O'Shaughnessy introduces the concept of falsifiability in beliefs. He explains how many beliefs, especially religious ones, cannot be tested or disproven, complicating discussions around faith and conviction.
"you have to pick that one i didn't direct it now in the current action of the book being directed was controversial unfortunately well yeah but i want to start out with your opening to the book unpers..."
Personal Reflections on Belief
O'Shaughnessy shares personal reflections on his upbringing and beliefs. He discusses the influence of his Catholic background and how it shaped his views on faith and skepticism.
"i've noted by reading all of your stuff you just seem to have both an obsession and a passion for finding out what makes us tick as human beings origin story ah or his story is well yeah okay so i was..."
The Nature of Reality Tunnels
Storr and O'Shaughnessy delve into the concept of 'reality tunnels,' exploring how different perspectives shape our understanding of the world. They discuss the importance of empathy and patience in navigating differing beliefs.
"and it always could have baffled me like you know my dad's a smart guy he went to oxford but he still believed in all this stuff which i thought was just it's like kids stories to me you know i rememb..."
Compassion in Understanding
The conversation emphasizes the need for compassion when encountering differing beliefs. Storr and O'Shaughnessy highlight how recognizing different reality tunnels can foster understanding and reduce conflict.
"in this story this crazy story so i think that's the origin story really it was just like absolutely kind of baffled they couldn't because the question isn't why did people believe crazy things the qu..."
Reality Tunnels and Compassion
Will Storr discusses the concept of 'reality tunnels' introduced by Robert Anton Wilson, illustrating how our individual perceptions shape our understanding of the world. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing that others may not share our beliefs, fostering compassion and patience in our interactions.
"hidden rules are built into us and then silently direct our thoughts and emotions and virtually everything else that we do and our behavior i love that opening because it fits so nicely with other thi..."
The Fundamental Nature of Status
In this segment, Storr explains how the pursuit of status is a fundamental human need that influences our behavior and interactions. He argues that feeling valued within our social groups is crucial for psychological well-being, highlighting the deep-rooted nature of status games in human life.
"description because it it makes you more compassionate about and patient with people and you when you know that you you understand that like wilson said something along the lines of you know if you're..."
Status Games in Global Politics
Storr connects the concept of status to global politics, using the example of Putin's actions in Ukraine. He argues that the pursuit of status is a driving force behind many human actions, including conflicts, and emphasizes the need to understand these dynamics in various contexts.
"suppose in that passage you just quoted what i'm trying to get to is the kind of absolutely fundamental nature of these games we played the status they've put up by the world rule the world whatever i..."
Social Media and Dehumanization
This segment explores the impact of social media on human behavior, particularly how it can lead to dehumanization and tribalism. Storr discusses the Milgram and Stanford Prison experiments to illustrate how social identity can influence our actions and perceptions of others.
"obviously social media has a tremendous amount of problems yeah and primarily because of our again evolutionary it's in our base code to be tribal and first we want to fit in and then we want to stand..."
The Dangers of Dominance Games
Storr warns against the dangers of dominance games prevalent on social media, where aggressive behavior and moral enforcement can lead to harmful outcomes. He contrasts these with more constructive forms of status games that promote knowledge sharing and positive engagement.
"stanford british experiment was that we are all vulnerable to falling into evil behavior if you put into certain conditions that if you put in a bad barrel will automatically become a bad apple so the..."
Success Games vs. Virtue Games
In this segment, Storr differentiates between success games, which drive innovation and positive change, and virtue games, which can lead to moral policing and division. He argues that success games are essential for societal progress and should be prioritized over more destructive forms of status competition.
"so those are the stage games that we want to avoid in the book i call them virtual dominance games because there's blend of there are three ways to two stages there's dominance which is aggression thr..."
The Role of Cults in Status Seeking
Storr discusses how cults offer a structured environment for individuals seeking connection and status. He explains that cults provide clear rules and a sense of belonging, attracting those who feel lost or have failed in conventional social structures.
"of games really being success games you know i i'm a born leicester and i'll die lefty my inherent belief was the virtue games for the games to play just look after everybody and make sure he's okay a..."
The Allure of Cults and Belief Systems
In this segment, Storr reflects on the psychological appeal of cults, suggesting that they attract individuals who are searching for meaning and connection. He emphasizes that many cult leaders genuinely believe in their ideologies, complicating the perception of them as mere manipulators.
"things like the write-ups that you did about the ludicrous and yet like jaw gaping open time in particular california where everyone was a satanist and i honestly read that and i just kept i kept look..."
The Allure of Cults
Will Storr discusses the psychological appeal of cults, particularly for individuals who feel they have failed in conventional social structures. He explains how cults provide a clear set of rules and the promise of connection and status, which can be particularly enticing for those seeking belonging after repeated failures in life.
"people well but you know the argument they're making in the states today is that they are the kind of people that have failed at the game subordinary line so you know there was a psychologist where ho..."
Cults and the Promise of Status
In this segment, Storr elaborates on how cults, like Heaven's Gate, offer their members a sense of status and belonging through strict adherence to their rules. He draws parallels between cults and traditional religions, suggesting that both can create tight-knit communities that promise elevated status and connection.
"you know if you join a comp culture they're really tight religion if you join the heavens gate club they promised you're going to enter what they called the evolutionary level above human you know you..."
Skepticism Towards Cult Leaders
Storr shares his skepticism about cult leaders, reflecting on his research into cult behavior and the manipulative techniques used to recruit and retain members. He discusses the concept of 'love bombing' and how these tactics can create a sense of loyalty and dependency among followers.
"see them as grifters and as you know predators really and when i studied cults you'll love this was pre-internet and i wanted there were some specific reasons that i wanted to understand cult behavior..."
The Paradox of Belief
This segment explores the paradox of belief, where individuals cling more fervently to their beliefs when presented with contradictory evidence. Storr discusses how this phenomenon is tied to human nature and the challenges of changing deeply held beliefs, emphasizing the role of storytelling in persuasion.
"looked into was many of these subgroups that that broke off from those if you did a deep packet on the founder the majority were exponents and so that fed my idea that these were all grifters and your..."
Luxury Beliefs and Moral Hypocrisy
Storr introduces the concept of 'luxury beliefs,' where individuals espouse beliefs that may not align with their actions. He discusses how people often act against their self-interests and the moral hypocrisy that arises from this disconnect, using examples from political behavior and personal choices.
"fervent they fervently they cling to the belief which also you cover in scientific storytelling and maybe it's because this maybe it's motivated reasoning on my uh because one of my beliefs beforehand..."
Reality Tunnels and Social Conditioning
In this segment, Storr examines the idea of 'reality tunnels' and how different life experiences shape our beliefs and perceptions. He contrasts the perspectives of individuals from privileged backgrounds with those from less fortunate circumstances, highlighting the impact of social conditioning on belief systems.
"i understand that we will have the iphone but he will have a can of coke and there's no better kind of but there are tesla cars and you know rare champagnes you know yeah you know it's funny you bring..."
The Disconnect Between Beliefs and Actions
Storr discusses the disconnect between what people say they believe and how they actually behave. He uses examples from societal norms and personal relationships to illustrate how individuals often prioritize social acceptance over their stated beliefs, leading to moral hypocrisy.
"from them because they're much other more important beliefs about things like immigration so so i think people act against their own self-interests often that you know that because beliefs aren't her ..."
The Power of Storytelling in Persuasion
This segment highlights the importance of storytelling in effectively communicating ideas and persuading others. Storr emphasizes that engaging narratives can resonate more deeply than facts alone, making storytelling a crucial tool in influencing beliefs and behaviors.
"in the united states and the stats on foster care are just stunningly bad he got out he joined the air force he's a very bright guy so he got scholarships and one of the way he made the case to me in ..."
Performing Virtue in Society
Storr explores the concept of 'performing virtue' in social contexts, where individuals feel compelled to present themselves as morally upright. He discusses how this performance can lead to a culture of superficiality, where actions do not always align with professed values.
"that marriage they you know they do all these things so so they're saying one thing and doing quite another and so you know like jung said that you are what you do not what you say you will do yeah an..."
Reframing Perspectives for Success
In this segment, Storr shares insights on the importance of reframing perspectives to achieve success. He discusses how understanding motivations and the ability to reframe narratives can significantly impact personal and professional outcomes.
"the performance you know all of that stuff becomes predictable yeah i used to say to people if you really want to know three things that will get you ahead the first thing you want to know is follow t..."
The Role of Humor in Persuasion
Storr concludes with a discussion on the role of humor in persuasion and communication. He highlights how humor can disarm audiences and create a connection, making it a powerful tool for influencing opinions and fostering engagement.
"this i went to an obstacle debate i was interviewing a very well-known climate changer who ended up being part of the uk which was the brexit thing after but anyway he was debating a bunch of academic..."
Class Systems and Status
In this segment, Storr explores the implications of educational backgrounds on social status, particularly focusing on the overrepresentation of Oxbridge graduates in high-achievement categories. He reflects on how class systems influence opportunities and status dynamics in society.
"extraordinary is an extraordinary powerful skill to that to have and i think that they must still have a web teacher here at those kinds of schools in the uk because it seems to be this kind of this w..."
The Role of Socioeconomic Status in Choices
Storr shares insights on how socioeconomic status limits choices for individuals, particularly young men from deprived backgrounds. He discusses the allure of gangs and criminal activities as a means to achieve status when legitimate pathways are unavailable.
"people who knew them and i had a friend tell me in new york we were having lunch and he noted that many of the people who work for this podcast are from india and i'm like yeah like the world is now t..."
Understanding Youth Behavior Through Status
This segment delves into the motivations behind youth involvement in gangs and crime, framing it as a search for status rather than inherent malice. Storr emphasizes the need to understand these behaviors within the context of societal limitations and the quest for identity.
"i think he's i think he's less so now i think that cut glass british accent is actually a negative lots of these games played back in the uk these days and you'll find watch people dropping their t's ..."
The Prison System and Status Dynamics
Storr critiques the prison system, arguing that many incarcerated individuals are simply seeking status through entrepreneurship in the drug trade. He discusses the cyclical nature of crime and punishment, highlighting the failures of rehabilitation efforts.
"i mean i didn't go to university but i had you know there was some choice there you know i went to work in the record shop and started a fantasy and got to journalism so you know i climb way up these ..."
The Nature of Human Behavior and Status
In this thought-provoking segment, Storr examines the innate tribal and xenophobic tendencies of humans. He discusses how these instincts shape societal behaviors and the challenges of overcoming them, advocating for educational reforms to foster empathy and understanding.
"to have status yeah brilliant and i completely agree with you when you see the world through these lenses it makes terrific sense and because it's same here in the united states we have incarcer so i ..."
Education as a Tool for Change
Storr argues for the importance of teaching children about human nature and the complexities of status dynamics. He believes that understanding these concepts can lead to greater empathy and a reduction in tribalistic behaviors, ultimately fostering a more inclusive society.
"me that there is so much great research your work included that that shows us that this is not so and it seems to me that like at least we should try and i'm gonna do my bit but you know who am i i'm ..."
Biology and Status: A Deeper Look
This segment explores the biological underpinnings of status dynamics, referencing studies on animal behavior. Storr discusses how these findings can inform our understanding of human social structures and the instinctual drives that govern status-seeking behavior.
"all of that do you think it could actually change any actual behavior well i think you're always working against violent and by nature with tribal by nature is xenophobic you know that that's why you ..."
The Pecking Order in Nature and Society
Storr draws parallels between animal hierarchies and human social structures, discussing the implications of status competition. He reflects on how understanding these dynamics can help us navigate our own social interactions and the inherent challenges of status games.
"dangers are about being human and we're going to teach you that now and but we don't do that you know right there's human os lessons you know for children between the ages of nine and you know sixteen..."
Status as a Biological Drive
In this segment, Storr argues that the desire for status is a fundamental aspect of human biology, often misunderstood as purely negative. He emphasizes that status-seeking behaviors can lead to significant societal advancements, such as medical breakthroughs and charitable actions, challenging the notion that status is solely linked to greed and competition.
"ideas like your own that because this seems to be biology right yeah that is biology it's not necessarily a bad state that's the that's the main thing that i'm pushing against the state is gay and tha..."
The Role of Scientists in Status Games
Storr discusses the motivations of scientists, particularly in the context of vaccine development, suggesting that their drive for status can lead to remarkable achievements. He reflects on the balance between curiosity and the desire for recognition, arguing that these motivations can coexist and contribute to the betterment of society.
"that we make is by thinking of status as our most common pathetic sad component of human nature but it's yes these are terrible things undoubtedly in a wrong space in the book but it also relates to t..."
Fear and Reputation in Human Behavior
Exploring the emotional underpinnings of human behavior, Storr posits that fear of ostracism drives many actions. He draws parallels between historical events and personal motivations, suggesting that humiliation can lead to destructive behaviors, both on an individual and societal level.
"can happen but i also wanted to ask you because we were just on kind of the scientists and there's a story that i found fascinating and it concerns the persecution of the well-known physicist david by..."
The Consequences of Humiliation
Storr examines the historical implications of humiliation, particularly in the aftermath of World War I and its role in the rise of Hitler. He discusses how the humiliation of nations can lead to dangerous narratives and societal unrest, emphasizing the importance of understanding these dynamics in contemporary conflicts.
"emotional creatures and the emotion that drives us is fear specifically fear of ostracizing being ostracized being thrown out of the tribe because in the in when we were hunter-gatherers being ostraci..."
Reputation Destruction in the Digital Age
In this segment, Storr highlights the impact of social media on reputation and status games. He argues that the ability to destroy someone's reputation online can have devastating effects, equating it to a form of violence that undermines individual identity and societal cohesion.
"i said earlier it's like a murder because because that's who we are that's really who we are you know we have to take a physical form and when we get physically sick and physically injured it's painfu..."
Lessons from History: Avoiding Humiliation
Storr discusses the importance of learning from historical mistakes, particularly regarding the treatment of nations post-conflict. He emphasizes the need for a balanced approach that avoids humiliation while addressing power dynamics, drawing lessons from the aftermath of World War II.
"other people yeah and what's interesting is the broad applicability of this right because humiliation as you rightly point out i think is if you humiliate someone entirely and you don't finish them of..."
The Psychological Impact of Humiliation
Delving deeper into the psychological effects of humiliation, Storr connects historical events to individual experiences of shame and resentment. He argues that these feelings can lead to dangerous ideologies and actions, illustrating the need for empathy and understanding in addressing societal grievances.
"find out it was the work of richard evans which was my major source for that chapter you find out how unbelievably successful germany was before the first world war they were just chilling crushing it..."
Navigating Status in Modern Conflicts
Storr reflects on current geopolitical tensions, particularly regarding Russia, and the implications of status and humiliation in international relations. He discusses strategies for addressing power dynamics without perpetuating cycles of humiliation, advocating for a more constructive approach to conflict resolution.
"think it's interesting that we're seeing with the current war in europe there's an active debate about the extent to which it's wise to humiliate putin i mean i can't answer i certainly don't think it..."
Personal Vulnerability in Storytelling
Storr reflects on his own vulnerabilities and how sharing personal struggles enhances the authenticity of his storytelling. He notes that listeners often feel a connection to him because of his willingness to disclose his own challenges. This segment highlights the power of honesty in building rapport and trust with an audience, making the narrative more relatable and impactful.
"nasty important thing what went wrong you know the first world war ended and we just punished and punished and punished and i think that was the error you know you really i cannot say enough i you als..."
Adventures in Gonzo Journalism
Will Storr shares anecdotes from his early career in gonzo journalism, detailing risky assignments that shaped his approach to storytelling. He recounts experiences such as door-stepping mafia members and engaging in dangerous stunts, illustrating the lengths he went to in pursuit of compelling narratives. This segment emphasizes the thrill and unpredictability of journalism, as well as the personal stakes involved.
"troublesome but you i think you're doing that simply to to say look me too and so if you're worried about you know how you're coming up how you're presenting etc well take a step back so you know i'm ..."
Navigating Controversial Interviews
Storr discusses the challenges of interviewing controversial figures, such as Holocaust deniers, and the importance of maintaining objectivity. He reflects on the difficulty of separating personal beliefs from professional responsibilities, emphasizing the need to allow subjects to share their stories without bias. This segment explores the ethical dilemmas faced by journalists when engaging with extreme viewpoints.
"from these kind of crazy stunts are loaded so so that that's the tradition i come from where you kind of go out and get the story so so that's why in the heretics without persuading horses in the u.s ..."
Understanding Extremism
In this segment, Storr delves into the psychology behind extremist beliefs, particularly focusing on individuals who hold controversial views. He expresses empathy for those who have been misled, highlighting that many are not inherently evil but rather victims of their circumstances. This discussion sheds light on the complexities of belief systems and the human stories behind them.
"interview and i think one of your great talents is that you are willing to let them tell you their story and how do you do that i mean like i and i honestly mean this how are you able to get all of th..."
The Impact of Family Legacy
Storr reflects on the influence of family history on personal beliefs, particularly in the context of individuals with Nazi connections. He discusses how these legacies shape identities and the internal conflicts faced by those trying to reconcile their heritage with societal perceptions. This segment emphasizes the nuanced understanding of identity and the struggle against inherited beliefs.
"got his courage from this that and the other so it was all true it was all true what i said to him there was no lie there but of course uh i know and then as i've already said david's stupid i mean in..."
The Complexity of Moral Narratives
Will Storr examines the moral complexities surrounding historical narratives, particularly in relation to World War II. He discusses how individuals often seek to justify their beliefs in the face of uncomfortable truths, leading to a distorted understanding of history. This segment highlights the importance of acknowledging multiple perspectives in moral discussions.
"life the person that suffered the most david evans beliefs is david irving he's been imprisoned he's had his reputation taken from him you know engaged so i i i i as unfashionable as it is to say thes..."
The Value of Religion in Society
Storr shares his evolving perspective on religion, recognizing its role in providing meaning and connection for many individuals. He contrasts his earlier anger towards religious institutions with a newfound appreciation for the comfort and community they offer. This segment discusses the significance of religion in human experience and the potential dangers of dismissing it outright.
"that actually the world is wrong when their mums and dads were nazis weren't bad people it's all a lie and actually they literally do anything wrong they'll just stick it out for german whatever so so..."
Changing Perspectives on Status
In this segment, Storr reflects on how his views on status have shifted throughout his career. He discusses the importance of recognizing the value of status in human interactions and how it can foster connection rather than competition. This insight encourages a more compassionate understanding of social dynamics.
"this changing my mind about this i think well i think generally speaking is it over the course of my career it's you know when i began in my my writing career i was very angry and very angry specifica..."
The Trade-Off Mindset
Storr introduces the concept of the 'trade-off mindset,' advocating for a perspective that sees social interactions as negotiations rather than competitions. He emphasizes the importance of acknowledging the complexities of differing viewpoints, particularly in contentious debates like abortion. This segment encourages listeners to adopt a more empathetic approach to discussions.
"we want status and that's what religions give people millions billions of people around the world that give some meaning and you know i'm very lucky you're really lucky you know we live lives in which..."
Empathy in Discourse
Will Storr discusses the necessity of empathy in conversations about divisive topics. He highlights the importance of listening to all sides of an argument, including those who may feel marginalized. This segment reinforces the idea that understanding different perspectives can lead to healthier discourse and reduce societal toxicity.
"to others and it is inexhaustible right and i really loved that thought because it's just so easy right and if you want to get people playing positive some games and you know not lashing out at one an..."
The Complexity of Choice
Will Storr discusses the nuanced nature of choice in the context of abortion, emphasizing that while it's the woman's body and her choice, it's essential to acknowledge the emotional and societal implications for men involved. He argues against the binary view of good versus evil, advocating for a more complex understanding of interests and trade-offs in societal debates.
"because it's the woman's body but i also think it's wrong that when we see it as good versus evil we then are driven to deny that man's pay and deny and say you just shut up we don't want to hear from..."
Preference Falsification Among Generations
Storr shares insights from his interactions with millennials and Gen Z, highlighting the phenomenon of preference falsification where individuals hide their true opinions to fit in. He recounts a conversation with a physical therapist who expresses frustration over conforming to groupthink, illustrating how societal pressures can lead to internal conflict and anger.
"idea of seeing trying to think about the world as groups negotiating trade-offs rather than kind of fighting over good and needle i actually think you're explaining it very well and i have the same vi..."
The Dangers of Suppressing Opinions
In this segment, Storr warns about the societal risks of suppressing diverse opinions. He argues that prohibiting the expression of non-violent, differing views can create a 'time bomb' effect, pushing individuals towards extreme beliefs. He emphasizes the importance of allowing open discourse to prevent negative societal outcomes.
"that on me and you know it's one of these public knowledge private knowledge games that you know the more you try to prohibit people from expressing opinions that are not violent opinions that that do..."
Embracing Humility in Beliefs
Storr reflects on the importance of humility regarding personal beliefs. He discusses the possibility of being completely wrong about deeply held convictions and encourages listeners to recognize their biases. This segment emphasizes the need for self-awareness and the acceptance that everyone can be mistaken.
"going to incept so the two best ideas in the world well that's the big because it's just two big questions i think what the world needs now is just some humility you know i think one of the ideas that..."
The Fragility of Human Nature
In this thought-provoking segment, Storr explores the fragility of human nature, asserting that everyone carries a dark story within them. He highlights the duality of human emotions—capable of both love and hate—and stresses the importance of recognizing this complexity in ourselves and others.
"so that's that that's the first idea what would the second idea be i suppose a related idea is just this and it's something that i still struggle with and still occurs to me even though it should to t..."
Seeking Self-Reflection
Storr concludes with a powerful quote from Tony de Mello about self-reflection. He encourages listeners to examine what bothers them in others as a mirror to their own faults. This segment encapsulates the theme of introspection and the importance of understanding our shared humanity.
"could be you know further out there they are just that basic understanding as hard as it is to process that it's entirely possible that you are wrong about your dearest most passionate bully i i love ..."