"They call you the godfather of AI. So what would you be saying to people about their career prospects in a world of super intelligence? Train to be a plumber. Really? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to become a..."

"Jeffrey Hinsson, they call you the godfather of AI. Uh yes they do. Why do they call you that? There weren't that many people who believed that we could make neural networks work, artificial neural ne..."

"in this season of your life. What mission are you on? My main mission now is to warn people how dangerous AI could be. Did you know that when you became the godfather of AI? No, not really. I was quit..."

"As we sit here today, what are the big concerns you have around safety of AI? if we were to to list the the top couple that are really front of mind and that we should be thinking about. Um, can I hav..."

"they're not designed to deal with most of the threats. And in particular, the European regulations have a a clause in them that say none of these regulations apply to military uses of AI. So governmen..."

"There's cyber attacks. So between 2023 and 2024, they increased by about a factor of 12,200%. And that's probably because these large language models make it much easier to do fishing attacks. And a f..."

"you're doing to protect yourself from cyber attacks at all? Yes. It's one of the few places where I changed what I do radically because I'm scared of cyber attacks. Canadian banks are extremely safe. ..."

"thing is using AI to create nasty viruses. Okay. And the problem with that is that just requires one crazy guy with the grudge. One guy who knows a little bit of molecular biology, knows a lot about A..."

"corrupting elections. So, if you wanted to use AI to corrupt elections, a very effective thing is to be able to do targeted political advertisements where you know a lot about the person. So anybody w..."

"these two echo chambers by organizations like YouTube and Facebook showing people things that will make them indignant. People love to be indignant. Indignant as in angry or what does indignant mean? ..."

"people in general. So once you get to a situation where in order to make more profit the company starts doing things that are very bad for society like showing you things that are more and more extrem..."

"that's a that's a plausible argument there. Yes it will. But you have to decide, do you want to compete with China by doing things that will do a lot of harm to your society? And you probably don't. I..."

"Lethal autonomous weapons. That means things that can kill you and make their own decision about whether to kill you, which is the great dream, I guess, of the military-industrial complex being able t..."

"There is a a risk I often hear that some of these things will combine and the cyber attack will release weapons. Sure. Um you can you can get combinatorily many risks by combining these other risks. M..."

"So you're telling me that if I'm Pablo, my French bulldog, I need to figure out a way to make my owner not wipe me out. Yeah. So we have one example of that which is mothers and babies. Evolution put ..."

"possibility, how do you feel about your life's work? Because you were Yeah. Um, it sort of takes the edge off it, doesn't it? I mean, the idea is going to be wonderful in healthcare and wonderful in e..."

"One of your your students we talked about earlier um Ilia Yep. Ilia left OpenAI. Yep. And there was lots of conversation around the fact that he left because he had safety concerns. Yes. And he's gone..."

"So, coming back to this point of the possibility of destruction and the motives of these big companies, are you at all hopeful that anything can be done to slow down the pace and acceleration of AI? O..."

"We've gotten to the autonomous weapons part of the risk framework. Right. So the next one is joblessness. Yeah. In the past, new technologies have come in which didn't lead to joblessness. New jobs we..."

"thinking the sort of industrial revolution played a role in replacing muscles? Yes. Exactly. And this revolution in AI replaces intelligence the brain. Yeah. So, so mundane intellectual labor is like ..."

"biggest investment I've ever made in a company because of my girlfriend. I came home one night and my lovely girlfriend was up at 1:00 a.m. in the morning pulling her hair out as she tried to piece to..."

"the difference between what we have now and super intelligence? Because it seems to be really intelligent to me when I use like chatbt3 or Gemini or Okay. So it's already AI is already better than us ..."

"it's very hard to intellectually you can see the threat but it's very hard to come to terms with it emotionally. Yeah. I haven't come to terms with it emotionally yet. What do you mean by that? I have..."

"inequality issue here that will will arise from this? Yeah, I think in a society which shared out things fairly, if you get a big increase in productivity, everybody should be better off. But if you c..."

"earlier about it surpassing or being superior to human intelligence. A lot of people, I think, like to believe that AI is is on a computer and it's something you can just turn off if you don't like it..."

"things. So, it knows it will essentially know everything that humans know but more because it will learn new things. It will learn new things. It would also see all sorts of analogies that people prob..."

"People are somewhat romantic about the specialness of what it is to be human. And you hear lots of people saying it's very very different. It's a it's a computer. We are, you know, we're conscious. We..."

"them all because people say machines can't have feelings. And people are curiously confident about that. I have no idea why. Suppose I make a battle robot and it's a little battle robot and it sees a ..."

"brought you to Google? You you worked at Google for about a decade, right? Yeah. What brought you there? I have a son who has learning difficulties and in order to be sure he would never be out on the..."

"you leave Google? The main reason I left Google was cuz I was 75 and I wanted to retire. I've done a very bad job of that. The precise timing of when I left Google was so that I could talk freely at a..."

"bad skin. I've had it and I'm sure many of you listening have had it too or maybe you have it right now. I know how draining it can be, especially if you're in a job where you're presenting often like..."

"I'm continually shocked by the types of individuals that listen to this conversation um because they come up to me sometimes. So I hear from politicians, I hear from some real people, I hear from entr..."

"You've lived a a fascinating fascinating winding life. I think one of the things most people don't know about you is that your family has a big history of being involved in tremendous things. You have..."

"When you look back at your life, Jeffrey, we have the hindsight you have now and the ret retrospective clarity, what might you have done differently if you were advising me? I guess I have two pieces ..."

"stick with them. And in your own career journey, is there anything you look back on and say, "With the hindsight I have now, I should have taken a different approach at that juncture." I wish I'd spen..."

"with everything that you see ahead of us, what is the biggest threat you see to human happiness? I think the joblessness is a fairly urgent short-term threat to human happiness. I think if you make lo..."