"were you nervous coming here today I didn't know how in depth we were going to go if I knew the questions I don't think go to slept last night but you were pathological liar Billy McFarland he is the ..."

"[Music] how are you doing it's been crazy uh a little less than three and a half months since my sentence ended and really just been a whirlwind of finding the right people finding the right opportuni..."

"why did you want to create your empath and prove that I hear this word proving a lot throughout your story like a desire to prove yourself right and prove yourself to others it comes up over and over ..."

"going back into a story it's you know I was reading through all of the sort of entrepreneurial endeavors you you did as a as a young man even before the age of like 15 years old you'd started companie..."

"reoccurring theme yeah um I mean I see that throughout your childhood and then internally into early sort of twenties yeah that that um that I guess ambition and that sort of constant inspiration you ..."

"and from what I was reading um this is the when one of the first big lies was told which was around the success of fire mobile app I read this I think I can't remember where I saw it might have been t..."

"are you a pathological liar this is a claim that I've I've heard leveled at you by the judge in your case by other people that were working on fire Festival um people in the documentaries yeah I think..."

"the documentaries no the first prison I was at or like when they appeared when they came out the uh the guys got like a USB stick with both the documentaries and watched them and I was like I literall..."

"million dollars now that alone is not an easy thing to do you know lying yeah definitely aided that for 100 but even if people were lying even if someone was just purely lying there's still an element..."

"tickets for two weekends at fire Festival yeah I mean everyone remembers the orange tile campaign and the use of influencers and we had Kendall Jenner Bella Hadid Haley Baldwin Emily ratatowski and yo..."

"about that urgent payment sheet you just said that you'd wake up like yeah wake up on days look at the Urgent payment sheet that you should you'd be like oh [ __ ] now I've I've sat here with um the C..."

"um are you this was the question I was putting as I was reading about your story is like what are your insecurities because a lot of this seems to be driven by some kind of like deep insecurity to lik..."

"well publicized scene where you're stood on a crate on the day of the festival you've got all of these party goers around you kind of screaming and asking questions and some of them a little bit drunk..."

"wake of fire Festival what happens you eventually fly back to New York one of the scenes that really did get me in the documentary on an emotional level was watching that wonderful Bohemian lady talk ..."

"you leave the Bahamas off to that event you come back to New York you come back to a shitstorm yeah I mean the people that have given you what 26 27 million dollars in cash yeah must be pretty mad for..."

"um the criminality doesn't stop though does it no this is the bit honestly yeah that really got me in the doctor because I was like oh man you know some could say young kid negligent inexperienced his..."

"um your your ability to be so comfortable with lying at that point in your life is terrifying yeah it's one could almost say it's like it's kind of it's kind of I don't even say this but kind of lucky..."

"that day when the FBI come knocking yeah you know this is before you put on bail what is it like tell me because I'm [ __ ] terrified of the FBI I've never met him you know I'm just so scared of them ..."

"genre was your co-founder um did he throw you under the bus I think he did what most people would have done in that situation so which was well yeah I think he certainly uh I mean he's got a lot of ta..."

"so you go to jail yeah there's this lawsuit where you were sued for 100 million dollars but you go to jail you get six years in jail yes and you'll a few things in in your sort of um your sentencing y..."

"in terms of lasting memories that Joe had on you and lasting impact take me to what is the what are the what is the worst thing that happened in jail that will stay with you for life the worst thing y..."

"really while you've been inside over the last five years the topic around mental health is has really emerged in culture what has your journey been like with your own mental health have you experience..."

"out what's the plan you start writing books in jail I had all of these things what's the plan when you're looking forward at your life with your ambition what are you thinking I'm gonna get out and I'..."

"the stress is there and it's literally been three and a half months right and it's like how do I deal with this I think one of the toughest things for me when I first got out of jail I was in like a h..."

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"podcast everywhere the last guest yeah asks a question for the next guest without knowing who they're leaving it for so they didn't realize that they were leaving it for you okay interesting question ..."