"Pamela Romo quartic she's an author who is written on the history and the philosophical significance of artificial intelligence her books include machines who think in 1979 the fifth generation in 198..."

"grounded day to day science math and engineering to popular stories and science fiction and myths of automatons that go back for centuries through her literary work she has spent a lot of time with th..."

"community today I often don't know where the conversation may take us but I jump in and see having no constraints rules or goals is a wonderful way to discover new ideas this is the artificial intelli..."

"of myth and legend so tell me if you could the story of how you first arrived at the book the journey of beginning to write it I had been a novelist I'd published two novels and I was sitting under th..."

"were people who John McCarthy for example thought it was a nutty idea there were much you know the field had not evolved yet so on and he had some mathematical thing he thought I should write instead ..."

"kicking and able to talk about what they're doing did they sound or feel like founders at the time that they know that they've been found they have founded some oh yeah they knew what they were doing ..."

"conference the so Marvin Minsky was there McCarthy was there Claude Shannon Allen you'll herb Simon some of the folks you've mentioned right then there's the other characters right the would one of yo..."

"paint a picture that stand out to you or memory those people you've interviewed and maybe not people that were just in the India the atmosphere in the atmosphere uh of course the four founding fathers..."

"I had been EDI Gonzalez assistant at Stanford and before that I had worked on a book by edited by Feigenbaum and Julian Feldman called a computers and thought it was the first textbook of readings of ..."

"and that's why you saw that historical but that literary background which i think is very much a part of the continuum of AI that the AI grew out of that same impulse is that yeah that traditional wha..."

"I in fact the final chapter is very wishy-washy frankly I'll succeed the fieldid yeah yes it was there the idea that a AI began with the wish to forge the God so the the spiritual component that we cr..."

"few decades what what are the roots of AI oh they go back so far yes of course there's all the legendary stuff The Golem and the early robots of the 20th century but they go back much further than tha..."

"he doesn't have two crew people to do that the crew man yeah it's it's magic it's robots whoa I thought how interesting so we've had this notion of AI for a long time and then toward the end of the 19..."

"when he ran out of funding the British government finally said that's enough he and lady Lovelace decided oh well why don't we make you know why don't we play the ponies with this he had other ideas f..."

"now you can say yeah but there gonna be some downsides and I say yes there are but blasphemy is not one of them you know there's a kind of fear that feels to be almost primal there's their religious r..."

"reason to fear it but because it can get out of hand maybe you can speak to that fear the psychology if you've thought about it you know there's a practical sort of fears concerns in the short term yo..."

"I almost look almost kind of a kind of mortality so around the time you said you work with it Stanford with Edie phagon bomb mm-hmm so let's look at that one person throughout this history clearly key..."

"outside the human cranium that has intelligence I think it's very hard when you're down at the algorithmic level and you're just trying to make something work which is hard enough just step back and t..."

"did early on or pretty early on what they had but in a different way from how I looked at it the two cognitive psychologists Newell and Simon they wanted to imagine and reforming cognitive psychology ..."

"way it's gonna be but that's the way we're used to it so when we tell stories about AI it's always with this paradigm I thought yeah he's right you know looking back in the classics are you are is cer..."

"you have if we get philosophical for a second do you worry that once we create machines that are a little bit more intelligent let's look at Roomba that vacuum is the cleaner that that this darker par..."

"was changed your own thinking about AI has changed see master McCarthy is uh what about the years at CMU Carnegie Mellon with Joe and was sure a Joe was not in AI he was in algorithmic complexity was ..."

"really Don Don Knuth yes I talked to mrs. Nisa out of all the people yes but you see yeah an AI person couldn't have made that argument he wouldn't have been believed but Knuth was believed yes so Geo..."

"but it was very warm so one summer I said to her you know well my students have all the really interesting conversations I was teaching at the University of Pittsburgh then in the English department y..."

"would work out it didn't matter to me it was so audacious the whole thing being a IAI general yeah and in some ways it hasn't worked out the way I expected so far that is to say there's this wonderful..."

"that feel like both the possibility and the winter that followed slow down ah you know this whole thing about AI winter is to me a crock snow winters because I look at the basic research that was bein..."

"come I just don't believe that it'll be in a year yeah I wish but nevertheless there's I found vehicles is a good example there's a feeling many companies have promised by 2021 by 2022 for GM I basica..."

"can really be killed by not getting proper funding or timely funding I think Great Britain was a perfect example of that the Whitehill report in remembers a year essentially said there's no use of gre..."

"is a huge amount of funding now and there's a concern on the AI side and deep learning there's a concern that we might with over-promising hit another slowdown and funding which does affect the number..."

"just as we were just talking the symbolic AI really kind of dried up and it all became algorithmic I remember a young AI student telling me what he was doing and I had been away from the field long en..."

"the bigger trees the shortsightedness and so on and so on so you mentioned santa fe institute i usually you've written the novel edge of chaos but it's inspired by the ideas of complexity where a lot ..."

"different by chance this was a sabbatical year for my husband and we spent two months at the Santa Fe Institute in two months at Caltech and then the spring semester in Munich Germany okay those two m..."

"people that I was talking to about complex adaptive systems was Murray Gelman and I told Murray what Harold Cohen had done and I said you know this sounds to me like a complex adaptive system he said ..."

"moment I said all too bad I think it would make an interesting book well he was right and I was wrong I wish I'd done it but that's interesting I hadn't thought about that that that was a road not tak..."

"member we're in Santa Fe every summer we bought a house there and I didn't have that much to do with the Institute anymore I was writing my novels I was doing whatever I was doing but I loved the Inst..."

"change the world tomorrow on a timescale do you have a sense of what of the time scale at which breakthroughs in AI haven't I really don't because look at deep learning if that was a Geoffrey Hinton c..."

"we don't necessarily want a perfect servant I don't maybe you disagree with that but there's um I think there's a push and pull with humans mm-hmm a little tension a little mystery that of course that..."

"level bar that people have dreamt of that to touring dreamt of it he had a date time line do you have how of your own timeline evolved on past don't I don't even think about it you don't even know jus..."

"and so forth so when Elon and his pals Hawking and so on came hey I was gonna eat our lunch our dinner and our midnight snack - I thought what and I said to Ed Val oh this is the first gun first these..."

"cognitive now is extremely relevant you and Nancy Ramsay talk about four possible futures right of women in science and tech so if we look at the decades before and after the book was released can you..."

"apart that was a perfect example of the sand pile effect and that made me feel good it didn't change all of society but it really woke a lot of people up but I you in general optimistic about maybe af..."

"many kinds see you've now just finished or in the process of finishing your the book you've been working on a memoir what how have you changed I know it's just writing but how have you changed the pro..."