"the following is a conversation with Alex garland writer and director of many imaginative and philosophical films from the dreamlike exploration of human self-destruction in the movie annihilation to ..."

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"where I'd come down said going further deeper into that direction you've also described that world as psychedelia so on that topic I'm curious about that world on the topic of psychedelic drugs do you..."

"the movie first of all incredibly original view of what an alien life would be and she said in that sense it's a huge success let's go inside your imagination did the alien that alien entity know anyt..."

"understand what Newton is saying about the way the world works with a few years of dedicated thinking they would be able to understand that the sort of principles he was laying out I don't think that'..."

"feels to me so so what I do is I try to make myself open so the people that you're implying maybe I would influence it to me it's exactly the other way around these people are strongly influencing me ..."

"this is my best shot at it so so I'm the one being influenced in my construction that that's fascinating of course you would say that because you're not even aware of your own that's probably what Kub..."

"certainly think that's true with 2001 a Space Odyssey I think at its best and if it fails prove that that's true of that it is best it plans something it's hard describe it it inspires the the next ge..."

"importance and role for imagination which they think you know we're in that what were Freud imagine the subconscious we're in that stage of of AI where there's a lot of imagination you didn't thinking..."

"system becomes our offspring and makes us obsolete I mean it's a huge huge subject to talk about I suppose but but one of the things I think is that humans are actually very experienced at creating ne..."

"just see all the good you know broadly speaking the good that can come from it but that that's just my that's just where I am on that anxiety spectrum you know it's kind of there's a sadness so we as ..."

"worse and so a and then it's a question about what constitutes a future generation a future generation could involve people it also could involve machines and it could involve a sort of cross pollinat..."

"that the algorithms have an either conscious or unconscious bias which is created by the people who are making the algorithms and and sort of delineating the areas to which those algorithms are going ..."

"at a guess I'd say there are instances of all those things so so sometimes I think it's naivety sometimes I think it's extremely dark and sometimes I think people are are not being naive or dark and a..."

"it's rabidly capitalistic absolutely rabidly capitalistic and it's rabidly greedy but whereas in the 80s the sense one had of Wall Street was that these people kind of knew they were sharks and in a w..."

"that so as a maybe a devil's advocate term poorly used in this case what if some of them really are trying to build a better world I can't I'm sure I think some of them are I think I've spoken to once..."

"it's the interesting thing about evil which is the I think most people who do spectacularly evil things think themselves they're doing really good things that they're not they're thinking I am a sort ..."

"trying to do good I think it's it's typically the case yeah that that's what people think they're doing and I think that but you don't need to go to Stalin I mean Stalin sure I think Stalin but probab..."

"the target the hope the dangers of AI is that movie yeah right do you ever consider the the impact on those researchers when you create the the work you do certainly not with Xbox in relation to 2001 ..."

"Plato's cave I mean this view really explored you could argue that how sort of space odyssey explores idea of the Turing test for intelligence or not test there's no test but it's more focused on inte..."

"with they're smiling for themselves and that to me was evidence of Ava's true sentience whatever that sentience was but those really interesting she we don't get to observe a ver much or or something ..."

"compare the two but if you could just use your imagination and if Ava sort of I don't know ran the Quran easy was President of the United States also has some power so what kind of world which you wan..."

"of America right and Ava has had a very very distorted introduction into the world so although there's nothing as it as it were organically within Ava that would lean her towards badness it's not the ..."

"her over Boris Johnson so what is a good test of consciousness just can we talk about consciousness a little bit more if something appears conscious is it conscious he mentioned the smile which is see..."

"flipside of that the argument there is because we just attribute consciousness to everything almost and anthropomorphize everything including Roombas the that maybe consciousness is not real that woul..."

"and can't please everyone including myself this is what I first reacted to the film is the idea of the lone genius this is the the criticism that people say sort of me as an AI researcher I'm trying t..."

"you know where the lone lone is the right word broadly isolated but Newton clearly exists in a sort of bubble of himself in some respect such as Shakespearean do you think we would have an iPhone with..."

"actually that interesting of a question but it's brought up so often that I had to ask it because that's exactly how I felt after what you know there's something about there was almost a defense I got..."

"a thought experiment there's you know who cares if there's batteries that don't run out right those kinds of questions that's the whole point yeah but I bits nevertheless something I wanted to bring u..."

"exploration your link is brain machine interface somehow merger of biological and electric systems I'm in a way I'm influenced by that almost by definition because that's the world I live in and this ..."

"trying I was on Easter Island a few months ago which is as I'm sure you know in the middle of the Pacific and and difficult for people to have got to but they got there and I did think a lot about the..."

"the cool kind of demo yeah that's right they're using yes they are using a quantum computer to simulate a nematode pill so returning to our discussion of simulation or thinking of the universe as a co..."

"it would be might that's why I guess so in that sense your sort of sense is that you can unroll the universe forward or backward and you will see the same thing and you would I mean that notion yeah s..."

"I would say Sciences poetry in terms of quantum computing being used to simulate things or just in general the idea of simulating simulating small parts of our world which actually current physicists ..."

"people do you think there has a positive or negative effect on society the the realization that you are not you cannot control your actions essentially I guess is the way that could be interpreted yea..."

"determined I still feel things I I still care about stuff I remember my daughter saying to me wish it she'd got hold of the idea that my view of the universe made it meaningless and she said well then..."

"society so it's it's almost this creation is helping us understand ourselves in the the thing to be said about artificial intelligence so what do you think us creating something like Ava will help us ..."

"the lines of say that that an electron has a preferred state or it may or may not pass through a bed of glass it may reflect off or it may go through or something like that and and so that feels as if..."

"feel you may feel somewhere deep inside you may still create well ok well I'll take I'll take the question in the spirit was asked but very generous gunpoint yeah what what I what I try to do so there..."

"Alex it was truly an honor to talk to you I really appreciate I really enjoy it thank you so much thank you Thanks thanks for listening to this conversation with Alex Garland and thank you to represen..."