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There are few things as old as financial catastrophe, except maybe finance. But in the latest fiscal meltdown in Greece, people started asking questions about whether newer technology -- bitcoin and the underlying blockchain -- could help. One of those was Wall Street Journal columnist Christopher Mims. In this episode of the pod, Mims and Coinbase CEO and co-founder Brian Armstrong talk about the current state and future possibility of bitcoin and the bitcoin blockchain. When it comes to Greece -- or the next financial snafu -- Armstrong and Mims think there is potential for bitcoin to help, but some education and UI mainstreaming needs to happen first.
In the wake of Greece's financial meltdown, Christopher Mims discusses the potential of Bitcoin and blockchain technology to address economic challenges. He highlights how blockchain could represent exchangeable goods and facilitate barter, emphasizing the need for mainstream adoption and education to realize this potential.
"welcome to the a 16z podcast I'm Michael Copeland there are a few things as old as financial catastrophe except for maybe finance but in the latest fiscal meltdown in Greece people started asking ques..."
Brian Armstrong shares his skepticism about the creation of new currencies on the blockchain, stressing the importance of understanding Bitcoin's true nature. He advocates for investors to own Bitcoin not just as an investment, but as a means to learn about the technology that will shape the future of finance.
"for things with their phone mims is joined by coinbase CEO and co-founder brian armstrong in this segment of the pod for a wide-ranging discussion about the current state and future possibility of Bit..."
Christopher Mims reflects on his journey as a technology entrepreneur and the transformative potential of Bitcoin as a global payment system. He recounts his experiences at Airbnb, where he witnessed the inefficiencies of traditional payment networks, leading him to explore Bitcoin's capabilities.
"Bitcoin Greece and what's next for cryptocurrency on this segment of the a 16z podcast Christopher Mims kicks it off my interest is really as a technology entrepreneur my belief of the world is that t..."
Mims discusses the current practical applications of Bitcoin, particularly in remittances and money transfers. He emphasizes that Bitcoin serves as a conveyance for transferring money quickly and cheaply, and he invites Armstrong to share his views on Bitcoin's potential as a minimum viable product.
"attention it's funny to say that because that my introduction of bitcoins well I feel like people talk a lot about Bitcoin and kind of a misinformed way to look at it is if you don't ask that like gol..."
Armstrong outlines three key categories where Bitcoin can be beneficial: disrupting traditional financial services, providing solutions for the unbanked in developing countries, and enabling new internet applications. He highlights the potential for Bitcoin to create a new generation of financial tools and services.
"yes I think that's a great example it's actually one of several so I kind of more broadly think of it as three major categories where Bitcoin could be the most useful one of them is what an example of..."
Mims and Armstrong discuss the growing developer community around Bitcoin, comparing it to early mobile platforms like iOS and Android. They highlight the increasing number of GitHub repositories related to Bitcoin, indicating a strong interest in building applications that leverage its technology.
"what I call brand-new internet applications where that are uniquely enabled by Bitcoin so by that I mean that it's not disrupting the traditional financial services industry or something like that it'..."
Mims shares his investigation into Bitcoin's relevance to Greece's financial situation, referencing discussions about alternative currencies. He expresses excitement about Bitcoin's potential as a flexible monetary system, capable of adapting to various economic needs and challenges.
"green fields idea yes I mean you know there's let's say division about Bitcoin and the reason that I kept paying attention to was that there felt like this burgeoning developer community you know it r..."
Mims elaborates on the concept of side-chains and how they could address objections to Bitcoin's deflationary nature. He discusses the potential for central banks to create digital tokens on the Bitcoin blockchain, allowing for innovative currency solutions that could emerge from the technology.
"blog also very pocketed former Greed's finance minister who's now suggesting criminal charges for talking about setting up an alternate currency yeah so he you know he said you could create this an ea..."
Armstrong explains how Bitcoin's underlying technology could enable the tokenization of various goods and services, potentially facilitating barter systems. He reflects on the desperation in Greece during its financial crisis and the possibility of using blockchain technology to create new forms of currency.
"to about their coin like oh it's a deflation era currency because there's a cap on how bitcoins can be created become irrelevant because the central bank could say hey you know what we want place the ..."
Armstrong expresses skepticism about the creation of new currencies on the blockchain, emphasizing that Bitcoin will likely remain the primary currency used. He discusses the importance of understanding blockchain technology and the potential for Bitcoin to evolve beyond its speculative nature.
"Greece few weeks ago was at this point where people are getting desperate they're sending people I have used I just said you know why couldn't you represent that with you know the blockchain technolog..."
Armstrong contrasts the current speculative use of Bitcoin with its potential as a payment network. He predicts that as Bitcoin matures, the focus will shift from speculation to actual transactions, highlighting the increasing number of daily transactions on the Bitcoin network.
"doesent route around the damage well Brian I mean I just wanted to ask you you know given um how far-fetched a lot of that discussion is you know what have you seen in terms of discussion or later tha..."
Armstrong discusses the evolution of Bitcoin's use case from a speculative asset to a payment network. He emphasizes the importance of daily transactions over price speculation, suggesting that Bitcoin's volatility will decrease as it becomes more widely adopted for payments.
"they're saying when they say that but I don't know just just from like a more broad perspective of what we think is interesting right now a lot of the focus historically has been on Bitcoin on the pri..."
Armstrong encourages individuals to invest in Bitcoin not just for financial gain but to understand the technology's future impact on finance. He draws parallels to the early adoption of desktop computers, suggesting that owning Bitcoin can help people engage with the evolving financial landscape.
"metric to focus on other than price is actually number of daily transactions on the Bitcoin network and that's gone from about 50,000 a day to 100,000 a day in the last 12 months don't realize that th..."
Mims highlights the ongoing challenges of making Bitcoin accessible to everyday users. He discusses the need for user-friendly interfaces and integration into popular payment systems to facilitate broader adoption beyond tech-savvy individuals.
"being something much less volatile we've seen volatility drop every year for the last three years that ends up being a little bit more like a commodity like gold but does the average person really car..."
Armstrong outlines the steps needed to bring Bitcoin into the mainstream, emphasizing the importance of simplifying access and usability. He discusses the potential for Bitcoin to become a default payment method as technology evolves and user familiarity increases.
"Bitcoin or something like that but should every investor own maybe one Bitcoin yes I think I think they should and the reason is not so much as an investment it's to start learning about this technolo..."
Armstrong highlights the ongoing challenges of making Bitcoin accessible to everyday users. He discusses the need for user-friendly interfaces and the importance of integrating Bitcoin into mainstream financial tools like Google Wallet and Apple Wallet to facilitate broader adoption.
"the things they talked about in my article for the journal was look you know Bitcoin doesn't make you know like I'm different to two people in Greece right now yeah and I think the ongoing challenge f..."
Armstrong addresses the security concerns surrounding Bitcoin, noting the industry's evolution in safeguarding assets. He explains how companies like Coinbase have implemented robust security measures to protect users' funds, which is essential for Bitcoin's acceptance as a legitimate financial tool.
"how to safely store it on a thumb drive in a fire throughs box and all that well I mean certainly our approach has been to try to make it easy to use for the average person so it wasn't that long ago ..."
Armstrong shares his perspective on the gradual process of Bitcoin becoming mainstream. He suggests that adoption will occur through small, incremental changes rather than a sudden breakthrough, driven by real-world needs and crises that prompt people to explore Bitcoin.
"services as well like security audits and financial audits and all sorts of things so I think those things will all help but is there gonna be some moment where Bitcoin just suddenly is mainstream no ..."
Armstrong reflects on how financial crises, like the one in Greece, can significantly increase interest in Bitcoin. He notes that during such times, people seek alternative financial solutions, leading to a surge in Bitcoin inquiries and transactions across Europe.
"transactions per day it's roughly doubled in last year but it's been a pretty steady thing there wasn't there wasn't a moment where suddenly it doubled in a week or something like that the one the one..."
Armstrong discusses the broader usability challenges facing digital currencies, including Bitcoin. He emphasizes that for Bitcoin to gain traction, it must solve significant pain points compared to existing payment methods, which are often more convenient.
"on the usability challenges around Bitcoin I mean I feel like it's still very unapproachable topic for some people and that they feel like it's it's complicated or they still don't quite understand Bi..."
Armstrong and Mims explore the concept of user frustration with current financial systems. They discuss how Bitcoin can address high pain points, particularly in regions with limited banking services, making it a viable alternative for those in dire financial situations.
"MasterCard but they're not even allowed to you know give you a discount if you use cash so we have this pretty good payment system in place so the usability problem is I mean this is what people alway..."
Armstrong concludes by highlighting Bitcoin's potential to provide financial services to unbanked populations and facilitate microtransactions. He argues that for those facing significant challenges with traditional banking, Bitcoin offers a unique solution that can empower individuals globally.
"if you're talking about winning on usability the easiest place to go is people who have high pain points around their current options or another way to put it would be their their next best alternativ..."
Armstrong explains how Bitcoin can serve as a viable alternative for individuals facing significant financial challenges, such as those in regions with limited banking services. He emphasizes that Bitcoin's unique properties can address the needs of users who are willing to navigate usability challenges for the sake of accessing financial services.
"have like the whole banking model really doesn't work in those in those demographics with like a checking and like a bank branch in the corner you also have things like micro transactions which just a..."
The discussion shifts to sidechains, with Armstrong explaining their potential to enhance Bitcoin's functionality. He describes how sidechains allow for experimentation and innovation while maintaining a connection to the main Bitcoin blockchain, which could lead to improved transaction speeds and capabilities.
"we talked a little we touched a little bit earlier on sidechains I thought it might be interesting to talk about that just for a couple of minutes because I think it could have a big impact you know I..."
Armstrong expresses optimism about Bitcoin's future, particularly regarding its ability to evolve through sidechains. He contrasts this with the skepticism surrounding government-issued digital currencies, arguing that centralization undermines the core principles of cryptocurrency. He believes Bitcoin's adaptability will ensure its longevity.
"of exchange you know my perspective is giving people people the experiment is good the same way that you know letting people build all of these protocols on top of the original protocols we've been ab..."
In closing, both Armstrong and Mims reflect on the current moment as a turning point for Bitcoin. They discuss the growing interest from banks and the importance of deeper journalistic coverage in understanding Bitcoin's potential beyond its price fluctuations. They encourage listeners to pay attention to the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency.
"will survive the test of time well Brian lemme just exactly you say thank you for your time and your thoughts on this I'm a journalist I'm a little sad this is going to be public because I feel like t..."