"So I think now we are just truly seeing this unlock where people who who were like really close to problem domain expert and but have been blocked by you know technology barrier to sort of really expr..."

"you have in 8 months since launch 7 million apps have been built with emergent. Walk us through this like incredible growth you're seeing actually when did that hit a real inflection point and how did..."

"actually uh you know started programming when we were age 12. Both of us came to us to do our PhDs. I dropped out of the PhD program joined Google and Maddie went on to uh was in Zenz then went on uh ..."

">> what year was this? >> This was 23 end. Yeah. And and so when we applied to YC like we applied with this idea of automating software testing. Uh that was the first idea. In fact we went to a lot of..."

">> yeah tell us what the landscape looked like like how big was lovable at this point and just >> I mean nobody had started lovable had not started I think kurs was just just getting getting started u..."

"users? >> Yeah. So we actually like once we had this coding agent uh we actually went the enterprise route. That was the common wisdom at that point that hey like go to enterprise build for enterprise..."

"that we have talked a bunch about at YC internally is just um how does first mover advantage versus second mover advantage play out in the AI world. Certainly something that we've noticed like if we l..."

"insight for you. Basically, you went very hardcore in terms of being maximalists in engineering from your experience having run large engineering teams of 300 engineers, having worked on deep learning..."

">> Could we see a demo of emergent? >> Oh yeah, sure. Yeah. So, this is how what emergent interface looks like and uh I'm going to like put a prompt where like because we were coming for this podcast,..."

">> So talking about how you run your team, the way you hire must be very different. I mean you're a very lean and small team. How do you hire for engineering? >> Yeah. So we we actually from from day ..."

">> I'd love to go back to what we were talking about regarding personalized software and what do you think the implications are for SAS in general? Yeah, I guess the provocative question is is SAS dea..."

">> has built 7 million apps with emergent what are all these apps who who are the users and what surprised you seeing what people do with it >> the users who are coming to platform for us are generall..."