"if you have a democratic style of governance you are entrusting people with one of the most awesome and radical of responsibilities and that's saying that you're going to pick the people that are goin..."

"Destiny I don't know if you watched me watching your yay interview yeah thank you so much for I'm so curious when you're navigating a conversation like that are you how intentional is the thought proc..."

"cuz my my preferred style of conversation is like I'm going to talk and the second I say something you disagree with then let's iron it out right like like I thinking like syllogisms like okay here's ..."

"become a stickler to um you might have your favorite terms that really bothers you people don't agree on those terms begs the question you mean raising the question yeah I usually just won't people sa..."

"McDonald's you worked at a casino you uh did carpet cleaning what was the the lowest point definitely the carpet cleaning really absolutely why why was it the lowest point that's when you were just fl..."

"through class to yeah so you're you're able to soak in information integrate it quickly take notes generally I think I'm pretty good at that yeah what what uh you do this a lot when you stream you're ..."

"lot of that if there's like a topic that I'm doing specific research for um so like a vaccine related stuff is a big one uh the Ukrainian Russian conflict is a big one that I'll break out a not um I'l..."

"somebody sent me an email a while ago with great words um there's a specific way to navigate a conversation where you can kind of like contribute to a negative event but you're not really the one resp..."

"that prior to the invasion in 2022 I don't think the United States was contributing to Russia invading that country um I know there arguments given that like the expansion of NATO you know has has som..."

"with the countries that have uh that have nuclear weapons and what's our responsibility are you allowed to do anything you want to countries that don't have nuclear weapons that's a really tricky disc..."

"war we're not going to do a fly zone there's not going to be US troops on the ground in Ukraine but we are going to send a whole bunch of money and a whole bunch of arms and a whole bunch of Intel to ..."

"difficult conversations yeah I mean I can handle really difficult conversations between like two people um leaders of countries though you're there's so much that you are representing in that conversa..."

"context to then the answers about what do you want in this war because the answers about what you want in this war will be political answers of it's like it's like a game that's being played again wit..."

"mean it's always going to be on stream it'll be like I didn't push back hard enough or I didn't know like a certain fact for a conversation um these are usually the they're going to be on these like v..."

"trying to change their mind on things I'm going to be stepping into their world and I'm going to try to be working through that framework really good example might be um we'll say like uh when it come..."

"enhancement aspect so the same way we ban performance performance enhancing drugs that involve increasing of test testosterone in that same way would be unfair essentially yeah so what's the case uh a..."

"know you look at like Michael Phelps as a classic example of a guy whose torso is like so long his body is built for swimming and I think there are some trans people that will look at that or some B a..."

"them to uh the uh oh man dude the a have you seen the AI art yes that's a of course I'm an AI person oh okay then yeah yeah that's a uh that's always been like uh what's going to happen when uh when r..."

"that's a really scary thing philosophically to deal with because we feel like we're very special right we we own the planet we make computers and the idea that you can start to get these robots that c..."

"like being artists and doing creative Pursuits and here is like oh shit if the art if the creative Pursuits are also being automated then what are we going to gain meaning from what are the activities..."

"thing whether that's a game of Go or whether it's the human natural language or if it's images and video or um audio and even actions and different video games and actions of Robotics and so on and th..."

"really cool there is a um I don't know it's probably azab or something there was some science fiction writer that it had a short story and it was like an alien that had landed on Earth and it was desc..."

"adapt to the environment like that resilience to the physical world it seems like running the whole earth over again the whole evolutionary process over again is uh might be the only way to do it so t..."

"protein folding like huge cloud computing probably ml stuff that's like working on doing all that stuff and it'll run like trillions and trillions of simulations you know every second and stuff maybe ..."

"physical world in a way that's safe to humans and interesting to humans MH cuz there's also the human factor the human robot interaction to me that's like the most interesting problem to figure out ho..."

"casino is a place of magic there's a lot of I don't I say magic but there's a lot of other worldly stuff going on there's characters there's and uh the I had an interaction with the waitress that was ..."

"I didn't really understand it even though I heard terminology for papering somebody out the door but after that point I started to get written up for like a lot of little random things like I'll come ..."

"like yeah nobody believed I got fired it was just insane yeah so if you look back if you were allowed to not just to look back to your own memory but actually watch yourself like somebody you record a..."

"have you know yeah so you got fired SL left that job uh and that took you to the the job that would be the lowest point yeah there was a huge downgrade in Pay I went from getting like I think at the c..."

"schedule would suck cuz sometimes I'd show up at I I think we had to be in the shop at I think it was 7:00 a.m. we show up at the shop at 7:00 a.m. first job might be at 8 or 9 but that job might be l..."

"through it all the well or no you can push back on the ego yeah no I I understand I totally get what you mean um I had a really close friend growing up whose name was Chris and I think we probably met..."

"think psychologically the low point was that um as I'm doing this carpet cleaning job uh driving around my city there's like this feeling of I guess for a lot of people it's probably college but there..."

"had strength is there is there anything you can give by way of advice from people that For Whom the wave function collapses as it does for many of us like holy fuck the the world is not full of opport..."

"everything's going to be built on yeah 100% so first of all it does seem that the liberating aspect of being young is like anything you learn so working hard at learning something will pay off in like..."

"never get a chance to do that again and maybe not even textbooks like reading straight up reading I think I think if you read this is the one time in life you get a chance to read really read like rea..."

"going but nobody really teaches you that they're like go to school this from this time to that time that you're shut up you this is just what you do eat your broccoli I think is like there's two huge ..."

"now all that kind of stuff but people hate hearing that anyway absolutely I think the joke that I always say is that like if I could literally step into a time machine and I could come back out and se..."

"growth I've been lucky that in the time that I came up on the internet I was able to learn these lessons because if I was trying to learn those same lessons today I would have been completely destroye..."

"past um so I should actually just as a small tangent yeah go for it and this is what I'd like to explore with you mhm there's a ruthlessness to the language in uh the gaming world and there's differen..."

"not taking the ideas of evil seriously and I don't know what it it reveals something about human nature that you can let go the moral relativism that can happen when you do that kind of stuff at the s..."

"the most part most well compared to back then compared to 20 years ago the internet is way cleaned up now there are still going to be boards you can go on or parts of the internet where you see that t..."

"are funny Give an example yeah go it's from your subreddit oh boy no that made me laugh and and I felt wrong about it oh no so this is uh I I already know what this is yeah yeah so this is a trolley p..."

"when you ask even more like what are the ethnic backgrounds it's like that's even worse to say that you know so I feel like that's like the type of there's a way that you can engage with dark humor wh..."

"almost like a a satire of society when they are faced with tragedy they will maximize trying to think of a word that's not fun but entertainment maximize the entertainment yeah this is a big criticism..."

"do but that takes us back to the nword with a hard R sure why for the particular examples that I was giving for the particular conversations that I was having if you're going to have challenging conve..."

"that human being and you're part of that problem Stephen don't I don't agree I understand I understand the thought process um but I don't know if using certain words within different contexts is going..."

"bitch is is different than stupid bitch bad or something is different than yeah of course way different sure I think it speaks to a bigger sense of Civility and respect for human beings that are not l..."

"calling you out that I I think using our word for me personally as a fan that that believes in your mission it just makes you look ineffective and bad and uninspiring to young people that look up to y..."

"trying to be cool with the young kids so a lot of the reason young kids look up to you is like you also know the language of the internet yeah but I mean it doesn't that's not an excuse to use words t..."

"tell yourself that like you're still kind of fighting political correctness by using it a little bit when you say it no I don't think so I think I'm try I'm trying to think in terms of like where is T..."

"course like who gets to say I don't know but I'm saying somebody who admire like I admire effective conversations and I admire great humor dark humor wit to me often times the use of the RW in the way..."

"out and I think it and I straight up think it's wrong but that's my own that's my you think it's wrong cuz it's hurting people without any benefit to you whatsoever when you say hurting people do you ..."

"word could feel like a collateral damage to those people um and then there's other categories of words so like if I say that like um this person is like they it's a stupid fucking Republican right the..."

"and so on so it's a tricky thing but um the whole skill of discourse just like it is with dark humor is walking that line I just feel like it's uh overuse of the RW and I don't want to die in that gro..."

"sounds good to everyone but there are probably certain notes that like if you got rid of them everybody's still going to like it about as much and you don't really lose anything there's a whole other ..."

"person it's like a different person for sure it's it's weird it's also hard too with the internet today I'm going to be aist again but like now all of the people are thrown together you know whereas l..."

"there is so much misogyny in the streaming community and how can you fight it cuz you you've shown a lot of interest in fighting it trying to decrease or eliminate misogyny from your community I think..."

"gendering versus the positive because there's a lot of positive to the the tension the dance between the different genders and so on maybe in this particular moment in history it's not but it's not tr..."

"potentially yeah there's been a lot of interesting um talk about like women integrating into male groups and how do you do this in a way where everybody is happy with the outcome and there's not like ..."

"to have my my boys over here um and then you've got like these environments where they're a little bit more warmer and it's like oh cool we're going to bring this woman into our environment and we're ..."

"unintuitive thing because it's like well a woman appears wow she's really cute it seems like a nice comment you're being nice you know she looks cute or whatever but it's like that's not at all the po..."

"outside of your own it well maybe some people there might be some people that can do it I can't there's a lot of stuff that I had to learn women are half the population but they're women they're total..."

"issues that came up was harassment and gaming against women and I was one of the big Debaters against that saying that like sure women might get harassment but everybody gets harassment if you're a wo..."

"was actually starting to feel triggered like every time the game started I was like can you just like talk so we can get over like the stupid fucking jokes it's so fucking stupid and you hear the same..."

"after getting these experiences I learn this afterwards if I tell you that there's another guy in a room and you need to think of the worst insults ever for that person without ever knowing anything a..."

"accepted we were all computer Gamers nobody had sex to play video games back then okay people don't remember that there wasn't the Big Bang Theory you were just a loser that was stuck you guys didn't ..."

"like you've never felt like that before so you're now in a leadership position uh Grand Grandpa Destiny so that's a lot of people look up to you for that M for that sort of Pathway to empathy yeah Han..."

"being a guy but like if it's a woman and she's typing saying like oh did your boyfriend type that for you or like what are you even doing here like don't you shouldn't be trying to find a husband or l..."

"voice in general I I love having women on the podcast the female voice I feel like is under heard on the internet for sure and I would love the internet to be a place where women feel safe to speak al..."

"whatever there's like an emergent thing that happens there there's a capacity there's a possibility of that yeah a possibility sure things could go really wrong there could be a cannibalistic tribe th..."

"decisions about our lives right I don't know anything about how to like build like a combustion engine but I know that when I push the button on my car it's going to drive around and the fumes aren't ..."

"bureaucracy is there some aspect when at scale different Dynamics come into play than they do when there's two people together two people that love each other the birds and the bees m is there some as..."

"mechanism government does not always and so that's the criticism of government of Institutions where it can grow without a significant mechanism that says there's a cost to bureaucracy that's not bein..."

"do a sick loop-de-loop and you know half the population gets nice call back there's a lot of people that that will listen to you say that the Democracy in the United States is working pretty damn well..."

"government by the people and for the people yeah this was very good good Steel Man and good question how can you how can you how can you tell that they're not just politicians that care more about con..."

"any any popular opinion that the American public has that the government is unresponsive to is there some big piece of legislation or policy or whatever that people want that the government isn't doin..."

"people think around certain ideas yeah go we you're right you're right you're right you're right that polls the way you ask the polls really matters but when you ask should the government be in charge..."

"would have gone for it but um post Iraq Iraq was for a while popular and then became obvious viously deeply unpopular Iraq and Afghanistan and I think you could see that influence other foreign policy..."

"broad consensus opinion when or yeah go ahead I'd like to believe that I mean just to lay my cards on the table I have uh faith in the power of Effective Government MH I just have um a lot of concern ..."

"it still feels like it still feels like politicians are going to politici yeah they definitely play their games that is true there's probably always going to be that meta narrative over like governanc..."

"divide in people do you think that divide we have a perception of a large divide between left and right do you think that's a divide this in this country narrow the language what do you mean by real d..."

"gets highlighted more because it's like the internet and a lot of the internet spaces have a lot of left laning people so you see like the crazy communist and the crazy progressives and the crazy Cent..."

"it feels like for sure just Center and then like do like a random walk among the policies around that I don't know what that mechanism is I mean it makes people like me not feel good MH being in the c..."

"not what she told me last night why are you like this I'm sorry man okay I'm glad I can glad I can bring that I'm glad you feel like this is safe space like I said people non judgmental if you want to..."

"those good criticisms because they're too like obsessed over like just trying to have the anti-establishment answer and that is what is upsetting me the most like I think there are good conversations ..."

"general population versus Joe ran fan who do you think is more likely to be antivaccine do you have data on this are you just guessing yeah just guessing yeah I think you are actually judging I am I t..."

"feeling versus just the vaccine I mean I've seen the vaccine and other things being a thing that broke people all the Corona virus that whole one or two years broke a lot of people there's a lot of em..."

"too I love Sean Caroll because there I hate this divide between like your either stem or your like philosophy arts and all that other stuff and the Two Worlds can over cross and I love that he was so ..."

"like people should be able to do that more and more but with vir virology and oh boy that's a tricky one that's a really tricky one I wish that people could have honest conversations like I attack a l..."

"we should have good you should be sorry yeah I'm not sorry actually I get to ramble here okay I'm here for a long time I resend my apology okay I actually resend my apology um we should be able to hav..."

"response to it is gotcha yeah it's uh well actually let me jump to that be before I continue to with with political discourse um psychologically you are in a lot of heated debates and you're usually s..."

"what are your weaknesses psychologically would you say I still have a problem with projecting I think we all probably do but like my mind onto others it's like if I understand this and I've said this ..."

"negative stuff about Hassan yeah this is my podcast I get to get you to force you to say positive things what do you love I'm All About Love let's go back to Gilling me on the RW word stuff you're goi..."

"too harsh Man Okay the reason I bring that up because I feel like there is a deep Grudge in there somehow so you're the the father now so since you're so old the grandfather of the uh political debate..."

"I think you might have used the phrase first principles earlier um from these kind of like first principles out of that is where all of my political positions are built out of like full stop so if you..."

"he does a really good job at hiding it there are other political figures that I really don't like that I wouldn't say the same thing about so like I don't know if you V written in there I'm like okay ..."

"of stuff there's deep there's emotions deep in there so the gotu is hiding the G the gotu is a is a surface of an iceberg and there's a deep ocean underneath that you yourself have not explored I disa..."

"political discourse versus I think what underlies it some jealousy and so on with you get this many follow I just want to make sure you're clear to your AUD everybody has to your audience I'm sure you..."

"bump up against a few kind of political disagreements like this and an annoying thing is happening in my community where Hassan is like the serious political figure cuz he's from The Young Turks and I..."

"sometimes politics would come up and Hassan would kind of try to explain something and there was another person one time on the show that made the joke it's like instead of Hassan taking 10 minutes to..."

"let's step back one other super interesting aspect of your worldview is your big supporter of Biden can you explain what you love about Biden do you love Biden more than Sean Carroll or less Sean Caro..."

"the point is you never say something like that listen like that you you've spoken about the Bosnia speech which is your favorite of his yeah I went back to and listen to it before I move to that just ..."

"talking about but I guess if you're have an emotional response to it I can understand the emotional response but there's a lot of people I don't have an emotional response I just don't like I think uh..."

"that that he's probably going to win no way did I say that somewhere he's probably going to run okay uh who knows who will win but I think um I feel like the incumbent Advantage is so strong you reall..."

"okay there you go good job um but yeah obviously really dumb really crazy off-the-wall tweets um but that account got banned but then I made another account called I can't believe I'm giving you a his..."

"there's like one dude at Twitter HQ who's like constantly looking for yeah my new accounts and they get me yeah yeah anyway yeah so post post Trump World um do you think okay I mean this oh should he ..."

"in my community if somebody comes back after like a year like I mean did you just compare yourself to the president of the United States no I compar myself to Twitter Banning the president of United S..."

"Speech within reason so what's the within reason so I mean not you can't post like child porn or something on Twitter people try to get you on that stuff or like direct calls to violence or probably n..."

"this effect where the quiet voices at the back of the room are silenced yeah so like that that's what you usually don't talk about like if you let one annoying loud person in that's actually censoring..."

"that's the natural of course it's a bny you're not a destructive force you're just no I'm a posit I'm a Force for good that's why all my accounts only get banned for bading Ving I don't get banned for..."

"the politics I do like travels or talk about relationships talk to my audience basically um you're from that part of the world right Sweden ex so did you escape from prison and they didn't that was No..."

"yourself but that said you came here and you were you put yourself in front of the camera and became a streamer yes do you understand how weird that is for my friends in Sweden you I just talk about m..."

"you able to actually have deep political discourse while playing a video game at the same time I have a really good chat room in terms of like the way that people engage in conversations like I was on..."

"conversation or like that people always joke in my chat like oh no the notepad came out if it's a really challenging conversation I'll get rid of the game and I'll bring out a notepad and I'll start w..."

"guys meet each other you're currently married yes to each other yeah yeah to each other yeah just making sure we're on the same page all right cool how' you guys meet I was watching his YouTube stuff ..."

"past their Prime just just so well I mean my Prime is still it was around it was probably around the time where were getting a lot of left days through your community and you were really like thinking..."

"you were holding the sjw flag yeah uh to what to what degree do you still hold it like what's the best what's the Steelman case for sjw I mean like I'm still very much that sjw from 2018 2019 but the ..."

"so you guys met from what's your from your perspective is that did she she she telling lies is it accurate No it's pretty accurate accurate okay when did you guys actually meet I flew out in 2019 19 y..."

"happens that's what said and I was like and I thought hey I thought so let's still ran uh we said Trump getting banned from Twitter is that what we were talking about before oh yeah hey you agreed to ..."

"realized we had a lot of chemistry and think before I left after my two weeks there I was like we need to make sure you get like a ticket to come visit me in the United States cuz it'll be fun and eve..."

"I think when he was about to leave I kind of realized like no I really like him do you guys ever say love to each other like I love you yeah of course yeah okay all right wasn't sure why would you ask..."

"saying that he gambles like with time he's just like I think she will be good later and then just like like an investment yeah yeah that's like what he's doing when this treasury bond matures I'm goin..."

"the middle of that um to where like we've got like long-term friends some of them we hook up with and that's kind of how we yeah it's a delicate dance that uh explodes every six months on itself it do..."

"long term do you guys experience jealousy usually like whenever I feel like he's not spending the like the amount of time that I'm asking for and he spends it on his video games or his stream or like ..."

"might be like being in a cabin watching like fireflies at night going hiking every morning going swimming at the beach because it's like you're taking in like the of nature you're like connected with ..."

"me to like understand more like how he's thinking because it's so different from mine and for him to understand how I'm thinking about things and like what I prioritize in my life I think that's like ..."

"months right now what what do you uh hate about League I never got humans well speaking of which I my participation in League involved on the robot side good cuz that's that's an improvement cuz uh uh..."

"obviously it's the Matrix reference the red pill that you take is when you realize what dating standards and Norms really are in the world that men are providers and have to become some great thing to..."

"politics whatever people say stuff like that yeah okay cool and then there's like the manosphere that's all the similar type of stuff and Andrew Tate is somebody that represents kind of the figurehead..."

"Community what's the negative I think the analysis on how men and women interact is a way to transa all of like the Romanticism and love and chemistry is totally sucked out of it everything is very li..."

"a lot of them and it doesn't um Inspire them to develop compassion towards the opposite sex which is probably something required to have a meaningful relationship and also like they they seem to compl..."

"um they're just playing a part of the game instead of trying to find a woman that doesn't look for those things and that are looking for not those things yeah I actually would love to have like straig..."

"very adversarial which I think is always disappointing anything that talks about men and women I think it's good to acknowledge differences but when it becomes like adversarial especially when you tal..."

"you want so for instance if you're really worried about like shallow girls like ruining your life like Molina said um it's probably not best to build your entire worldview around trying to get shallow..."

"they're not an island yeah yeah and the kids actually are big part of that too like for most people if you're like a good parent they make you step up somehow in life you have to take responsibility f..."

"value changes completely certainly the stereotypical measures of value contribute to the calculation but it's so much more than that I think uh the chemistry of the whole thing is is bigger uh you've ..."

"alone doesn't mean anything mhm yeah okay well you could meet a guy that's like I just really really like want to fuck a lot of people because it makes me so cool like could you can be someone like th..."

"moment yeah I kind of agree but I can definitely connect the romance with sex boring I'm curious she's a woman see that's where the red pills right exactly we also talked about misogyny which is you'r..."

"spreading it out decreases like um exponentially the the feeling of romance you feel but that I don't know what that could be just like sort of having grown up in the Soviet Union there's a kind of th..."

"sexually and they have like what what did you just use they have like issues to like they can't relax during sex it just hurts for them really nervous vaginis is that what it's called yeah um so like ..."

"would say like like doing open relationship is probably not like we would not recommend it think we would no yeah I recently fasted for 3 days and then ate a chicken breast at the end of that and it w..."

"the worst ones then she being see she just did it she did the massage anything by having some bad women on she's saying all women see well you you know it's true right see but I I disagree with you an..."

"our word in the past when he used nword all of that kind of stuff when he what he used to do I mean no like what do you think about it like do you give them advice to not speak a certain way no like a..."

"Stephen is homophobic or race or any of those obviously so there's a good heart there and a good mind I was just saying he just likes being mean I think well there is some you lose yourself and forget..."

"and like they don't so what I would say is like try to find something that are that's that is important to you it could be anything really like some sort of passion maybe like your friends maybe like ..."

"about maybe streaming is different but YouTube folks too I've interacted with a few and um even in podcasting space people become obsessed about the views and numbers and subscribers and stuff like th..."

"down and then after all the drama start off you're at like 3,000 concurrent viewers now in the macro you went from 1,000 to 3,000 that feels awesome but you actually feel like shit the whole time beca..."

"feel like you as you said like you can definitely see that in like artists for sure I feel like if if you look at like artists like back in the 60s or 70s I feel like things were just so much better b..."

"me all right well my love meter is full from this well thank you so much for joining us for me this is really fun um you guys are fascinating human beings um thank you for existing I'm glad to live in..."