"Does Stanford need another entrepreneur club? Absolutely not. Right. Right. So, so I'm like, let's just look at the existing landscape. Let's infiltrate, extract the best individuals, recruit those ag..."

"built, they're all built by these polymaths. Well, hello everyone. It's Jim Onessy who Tommy basically said, "How the [ __ ] are you so high energy?" And my answer was because I get to talk to people ..."

"then you went to Austin and and got a better uh thing going there. You are the head of power hour. I love this. The CIA for entrepreneurship, highest signal society for it for college kids in the worl..."

"lemonade stands, selling Girl Scout cookies. I love seeing that because what one does when they're young often is a good indicator for what they're going to turn out like as adults. Uh but give us giv..."

"a Fortune 500 company in in the middle of nowhere. Um, and then uh yeah, from like 12 to to 18 was completely, you know, competitive golf uh around the country. Um, and I love to kind of look for that..."

"because I'm I'm curious even your thoughts on these kind of rudimentary systems and industrial uh age systems. Um but yeah, I I never saw the the value in 8 hours of of school, um 5 hours of homework,..."

"build um and and people in Utah churning churning YC companies. It just kind of shows like are these builders in Utah? Not necessarily. But if you give the time um and allocate the time and resources ..."

"prove true and almost if you can purposefully live very random very nonlinear um I'm curious if I'll be successful with that. Um, so whether that's from ARV, our immersive media research, some some li..."

"like so wow a lot to go on there. Uh we'll get to high schools in a bit because I completely agree with you. They were designed by industrialists essentially with the marching orders. Yeah, we need uh..."

"was rough. They had a little war, you know, called the Napoleonic wars because uh the old system was collapsing, the new one was emerging. And uh everything needed to be changed. And sometimes you can..."

"called synthesis schools which does AI tutors for math and soon to be other subjects. The results you really can't debate them when you look at those kids and what they you know you take kids who you ..."

"what you're thinking about. You should have a lot of free time to explore, to do all of that kind of stuff." We'll get to that in a bit. But I'm also was really interested on the golf angle because yo..."

"town, not my usual scene, but had some good golf background um and some experience there. So, uh kind of cold email 200 real estate agents um to find me a place to stay in in a woman's basement. And u..."

"that I think um I don't know if if it's right to say obviously these people that we just don't know and are kind of unheard of um you kind of have the face of America and these celebrities that everyb..."

"reality, I think it's that I was um spilling coffee on on people that were, you know, more likely to give me a chance, right? And that was that was the whole point. You're bumping into the right peopl..."

"think, of of going going to the Hampton specifically. Um, but yeah, I don't think these people necessarily cared um sometimes, and I I was ignorant to think so. And so you really start to you start to..."

"adventures, too. Yeah. Well, you know, between a yes and a no, there's always a maybe. And that's why persistence helps, right? Because uh you can't tell till you ask. Um I I I think it's interesting ..."

"and they're they're not like they like I really prefer the the kind of crazier. You got energy, Jim. You got energy. Whacking around a ball doesn't make sense. I I guess have you ever seen the movie C..."

"very interesting. Um the reasoning for the film um it's actually really interesting. Uh my good friend was a senior. I was a freshman and the we were very busy people. Um the best way to be friends an..."

"know if my parents were too fond of of the the adventures I was going on for um, I mean, you know, a couple months there, but uh, you know, 7. You're doing what? What are you doing, Tommy? The 7 a.m. ..."

"get the boost. Ironically, all it takes is a shower. It it was it was odd that it's something maybe that simple. Um but but yeah, unique unique experience. Have you read Chris Arnad's book on the back..."

"them. Did you see that? Very much. Um food was not an issue at all. there's two or three free meals. Everybody thinks we actually did, you know, interviews on the streets with just some some random fo..."

"going to learn about you that might conflict with your public persona? Yeah. Um, I think it's I think it'd be very hard to show complete true colors. I think you try to be um as honest and as forefron..."

"things that come often with uh some challenges, right? because as you mentioned, shameless. You've you've got to be uh you've got to be um very willing to disagree with other people in social settings..."

"[ __ ] movie. I mean, like you did have that experience. So, and I love your point about authenticity because like I've had a lot of people ask me, "Yeah, but can you coach me and kind of teach me how..."

"and that's hard sometimes right like a lot of people are like there's a great quote from Jed McKinna where uh he's quoting Socrates and says you know the unexamined life is not worth living and he goe..."

"to the next name and the next name and then everybody's giving this name to a person that maybe didn't deserve it. And so sometimes you have to question all the way back and it's very hard to do so be..."

"community. Um and so the way I guess my my group operates is is less on applications. We don't churn cohorts. um we don't we don't have applications. The CIA model is actually very interesting. I'm no..."

"applications and a bunch of cohorts. They're supposed to supposed to be one community that lives on. Everybody asks who's going to be my who's my predecessor? Who's going to who's going to operate thi..."

"these diverse perspectives come in rather than just one person being praised within that hierarchial system because they've had the most, you know, money raised, most traction, most results. Um and an..."

"here even the cross country to I was just recently kind of going campus to campus cross country and finding the most intelligent and talented individuals at each of these campuses um SF Boston New Yor..."

"I've sort of expressly said to them, don't go to Stanford. Everyone's already there. Like, we're not going to find anything there. Uh I want you to go to second, third tier universities. Uh because th..."

"So it's like you know the the the obvious the obvious you know acolytes or right college all of that sort of stuff it it will give you a a significant advantage in the beginning right says the guy who..."

"and that's one thing that when I when I ask people um and invite them on this kind of all expenses paid retreat and treat them as such exceptional people. I ask them for maybe one or two people um tha..."

"because it's 9:00 Jim, we have to go to the next activity. You and I would get along at these things, right? And very similar to when to when Nick came out, like I I didn't know what the hell was goin..."

"that's one like very vivid example. Um, and a lot of that happens. It's it's the deep philosophy talk on the couch after, you know, good subset of of of four, five, six hours of of a conversation and ..."

"athlete in them to try to be competitive and win. M that you know that's one of my theories that it's actually harder to get a super intelligent person to abandon a no longer useful mental model. And ..."

"you approach someone in that circumstance because they they do have something to teach you. Um, if anything, those people have more to teach you than some others. Um, and I think that's, you know, ver..."

"you can vet people as well on a very case-byase basis um instead of having to say like, "Oh, this person looks great on paper and and and has a lot of things I really like conversation." No, put them ..."

"amusing to me. You you have you've you've had experience in investment analysis and and let's talk a little bit about that. Just going to ask you actually. I'm curious since you turned more venture. Y..."

"what you're all about. I was very intrigued about because there's a really big difference between the personality and emotional profile of the CEO of a Fortune 500 company and a founder of a uh you kn..."

"to go back to Apple and say okay here's what we got to do to survive in it's just a very very different personality profile skill that etc. in public and private and I just wanted to explore hm all ri..."

"all comes down to we humans, right? And and like in public markets, I always say the last arbitrage left is arbitrageing human nature, right? Like all quant study, we we all use the same data, right? ..."

"opportunity to do the things that are fascinating to us right now. Um, you know, so the way I look at it is life's an adventure and you shouldn't worry too too much about if you get a destination chan..."

"2025. And so, when I see things like that, I just get really excited and like, oo, we get to make this a lot cooler. Um and and so I think that um you've got to be just very very open-minded in your a..."

"good point and I love studying people because it's all emotion I mean that that's the whole point of the study people as well because I thought you know I might I might go into you know investing rout..."

"never overrode one of our models emotionally. And that people kind of look at me strange when I say that, man. When you're in the at the the center of a great financial crisis and people are literally..."

"And it's like, and you previously talked about negativity, too. And how we're we're apt as humans to kind of gravitate on it. It's because of that survival type fight orflight mode. To totally we are ..."

"like the, you know, look at the look at the anti-hero and some of the greatest shows are anti-hero shows. Breaking Bad, you know, like it's brilliant stuff. And so we, you know, it's it is easier to e..."

"crazy um how much money is available. It's the best time to build right now. I think maybe that's the shift in I don't know if that's a shift in money necessarily, but it's there's definitely a shift ..."

"possible out there. Totally agree. Uh so you call yourself a contrarian. What is something that you passionately believe that a majority of very very successful founders say just ain't so? Interesting..."

"utility there. But again, I think that's that's kind of a uh something I might get some some heat for um after this. But uh yeah, that is the the current Our uh thing is to be the dropped out of Stanf..."

"get extra points if you have on uh you open your pitch to us saying yeah I dropped out of Stanford to do this. We're like okay everyone's saying that talk to us about you know your idea your vision wh..."

"metaphorical hook here from my nannies. Um, I've got two more questions for you. Um, fast forward 10 years. What would be the most controversial headline about you that you would be incredibly proud t..."

"might I don't even necessarily I don't think I want it to be a headline. I think I want it to be a photo. Okay. Not even sure I necessarily want text. Um, okay. Just just um just a picture um of of a ..."

"Yeah. I mean what's really funny about that is like the I if you'd asked me that when I was you know your age, I'd say what do you mean long form? I wouldn't even know the difference. Right? because e..."

"You have to live it all. Exactly. Exactly. I love that one. I'm going to steal that from you. Uh because we say uh the way we hire people at OSV, no one is hired immediately, right? We put everyone on..."

"because everyone is sending them now and and and like 90% of them are written by AI and we have AI sensing uh programs because we have an in-house AI. we can tell instantly if something was written by..."

"good. Yeah. All right, Tommy, you're the emperor of the world. You can't kill anyone. You can't put them in re-education camps. But what you can do is we're going to hand you a magical microphone and ..."