"it seems like Google has all the ingredients to just be the dominant AI company in the world why isn't it do you think open AI in 2016 was comparable to Google in 1999 when you joined it are you a bel..."

"start off with well I think one thing people don't often realize is that you've been thinking about AI for a long time and that Google itself was kind of an AI company can you tell us more about that ..."

"did you join Google Paul can you talk a little bit about what Google was like when you joined uh yeah so it was June 1999 so that was uh let see 25 years ago a little more um and so yeah it was a very..."

"Weights now yeah and the history of like neural Nets is kind of weird um the first thing was when they invented the perceptron which was like a single neuron and it was very hot for a short time until..."

"magical features that we added was the did you mean uh you know the spell correction and so that actually comes from originally just my inability to spell I've never been very good at spelling my my b..."

"other 20% gave sort of mediocre answers but then there was this like one guy who gave a really really good answer um it's just like he was ahead of where I was already so I was like we have to hire hi..."

"outsider I think a lot of it kind of happened especially around the time of the transition to alphabet when you know the company was no longer really being run by the founders so much and especially y..."

"were restrictions on what you could put out they had a version of um Dolly called image gen and it was prohibited from making human form so even internally the researchers weren't allowed to to genera..."

"around at that time originally it was uh YC research right so you know again kind of going back to the early teens we were just tracking the progress of this technology and that was where we started t..."

"actually build the AI and um you know that way we're able to influence the direction that it goes um but AI was still at that time something that we didn't really know what the time frame would be to ..."

"that which you know has in fact happened of course like half our startups now are are building on top of it what are your thoughts uh on now uh open source models so I'm totally in favor of them so I ..."

"version of themselves and so you can think about that in terms of you know how much what would it look like if everyone had a 200 IQ or whatever right like instead of just having all of that power con..."

"history of open AI like the the the real story of how open AI got started is it's actually not welln um you know like like many companies the the founding story as it gets retold and retold becomes so..."

"YC at the time and originally this was like a subsidiary of YC called YC research right so the original the original concept I think was that it was actually be part of this thing that we were calling..."

"who I think likes to ship and likes to move fast you know open AI was the startup version of of AI and but yeah I think if Google were in top form there there there is no way that it would have worked..."

"difference right and so like gpt2 was kind of like I remember Sam just being really excited wanting to show me this thing you know where where it like predicts the next word um and and the next word p..."

"thing we're sort of betting on open source to give us freedom Zak sort of interestingly become like the hero of Open Source and like on the one hand I feel like you could argue it's accidental like th..."

"them being the only ones like I think we have to build a whole Coalition of people who are in favor of freedom and open source and not just sort of bet everything on Facebook saving us well I guess to..."

"unanswering question I mean that that that is like the one of the fundamental concerns I have which is that I think because it's so expensive to build these models yeah it is that is like an inherentl..."

"just think about the amount of computational power to train a human versus the computational power to train like gbt 4 like were evidently much more efficient yeah I think I think I think there's stil..."

"R&D and so you know I think it's you know sort of incredibly smart uh you know sort of seeing around the corner trying to prevent new competitors to meta to it's not that far off like Google releasing..."

"they just announced today they spent a couple billion dollars again not just for models but to buy a large take on luoda who is uh kind of this major brand that owns a lot of the eyeglasses in the wor..."

"the path I think the the key point that happened is we crossed the line where AI went from a research project where kind of put in a lot of money and don't really get much out to a thing where you you..."

"actually talking about it's actually like a national issue is that we need to build uh increase our electric supply to like train the AI right it's become like a national security thing um and so I th..."

"think that it's kind of an incremental thing at this point where we keep kind of tacking on like this thing and that thing and just keeps getting um incrementally better I think the one that um at new..."

"yeah that's certainly what we're seeing in the companies themselves they're spending a lot of time in workflows Chain of Thought multi-agent systems you know you have different steps uh you know what ..."

"path to AGI just like these kind of it's It's a hack for now right it's kind of how totally a hack yeah but over time you know as the system gets more intelligent it takes on more and more of that par..."

"you know Mouse um and the AI can basically watch that person do their job um because it's all just virtual anyway and then pretty quickly learn their patterns and essentially deep fake that employ and..."

"of that probably there's company building that right now that's just recording all that data and building it yeah the thin edge of the wedge on that Community is uh R antiwork if you can make an AI ag..."

"Central Bank digital currency all those kinds of limitations on individual Freedom um and the opposite direction I think is obviously what I favor which is that we actually move towards giving everyon..."

"you know locked up in their pods or whatever Paul another thing you've been thinking about a lot is GE Politics as this AI stuff starts to become real how is that going to relate to geopolitics and th..."

"species and I think that if we go down the path of control humans basically end up zoo animals um and I I don't really want that yeah one of the funnier things is uh you know some of the uh legislatio..."

"going to want to go near it and they are strongly incentivized to put like really Draconian guard rails in place um that again will limit our abilities in ways that you know we may not even think abou..."

"happened to uh AI Founders in China that they've literally been sort of disappeared and told like you we will hold you personally accountable for the output of uh the llm and models that your software..."

"relatively neutral about being doomers or optimists like do you what are the things that tip them in like One Direction versus the other I do think some people are inherently kind of in One Direction ..."

"ultimately and growth and so the doomers are are are degrowth their lockdown their control versus your freedom growth and and um open source we were uh talking a bit earlier about this I had just watc..."

"yeah absolutely and and again I think that was part of what's so important about um like the launch of chat GPT like even if I would say even if open AI just vanishes tomorrow I I think they've achiev..."