"sort of thought we had like stumbled on this one giant secret that we had these scaling loss for language models and that felt like such an incredible triumph. I was like we're probably never going to..."

"Sam, welcome to the Z podcast. >> Thanks for having me. >> All right. You've uh described in another interview, you described OpenAI as a combination of four companies. uh consumer technology business..."

"did many years ago in Strictly VC and and sort of early open AI well before TGBT and and they're saying hey what's they're asking what's the business model and you said oh we'll ask AI it'll figure it..."

">> Which bets would you say are enablers of AGI versus which are sort of hedges against uncertainty? I >> think you could say that on the surface Sora for example does not look like it's AGI relevant...."

">> I want to talk about the future of AI human interfaces because back in August you said the models have already saturated the chat use case. So what are future AI human interfaces look like both in ..."

"within the next couple years what will models be able to do that they're not able to do today will be sort of white color um you know replacement at a much deeper level AI scientist uh human humanoids..."

"just broader reflections in terms of what sort of about diffusion or uh development in 2025 has surprised you or what has sort of updated your worldview since chatb came out. A lot of things again but..."

"and you know, of course, the company's in a different position and you have more leverage and these kinds of things, but like how has your kind of thinking changed over the years since you did that th..."

"last few weeks alone, you mentioned AMD, but also Oracle, Nvidia. You've chosen to strike these deals and partnerships with with companies that you collaborate with, but could also potentially compete..."

"sort of evolved your thinking? You mentioned you evolved your thinking on sort of uh you know vertical integration. How have you evolved your thinking or what's the latest thinking on sort of AI stewa..."

"yeah So, well then that that's a segue, but um when you think about well I guess how do you see copy right unfolding because you've done some very interesting things um with the opt out uh and you kno..."

"interpretation of everything to somebody. >> Yeah. >> Who may be or may not be influenced heavily by the Chinese government. Yeah. What about And >> by the way, we see I mean, you know, just to give y..."

">> Yeah. on open. What's what's the latest thinking in terms of monetization in terms of either certain experiments or c certain things that you could see yourself spending more time or less less time..."

">> We've uh we've given meta their flowers. So now I can feel like I can ask you this question which is the great talent war hall of 2025 has has has taken place and open AAI remains intact. Team is s..."

"insight you you had um where you talked about how you know the the next open a mistake investors make is pattern matching off previous breakthroughs and just trying to find oh what's the what's the ne..."