"if you give me feedback I'll be like hey thank you so much this is super helpful because people are like oh he actually lacks a feedback now in inside my heart might be melting you know I'm like uh I ..."

"at the craft of building and growing products today my guest is Jules Walter Jules is a product leader at YouTube before that he spent four and a half years at slack where he was their first growth pm..."

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"Jules welcome to the podcast hey Lanny thanks for having me I'm really excited I am even more excited this chat has been a long time coming I've been hoping to get you on this podcast ever since this ..."

"career was actually not in Tech it was in medical devices I was a GM for a company based out of friends and also overseeing West Africa business for them after doing that I moved back to the US launch..."

"years ago I mean at Google I'm a product lead at YouTube where I I'm driving a product called Prime Time channels which actually recently launched in November in the US and in that product we're bring..."

"great mentors I've heard from other people you've been a great mentor to them and you've also just been really successful at a number of really world-class companies and so what I want to chat about i..."

"that phase you know the things that I was working on as I mentioned earlier were things like improving news or Activation so he relies on those skills identifying the opportunities uh running experime..."

"and the other thing I'll say is interviewing can be quite traumatic and difficult for a lot of people you know like even me I mean before I got this job I had interviewed at Google I don't know how ma..."

"coming into a company I've gone into companies like an interview and in the whole panel nobody looks like me I walk into the cafeteria nobody looks like me you know and then you're interviewing and yo..."

"and I've always felt like most interviews like I literally did my words it's just that it was good enough to pass you know you're so stressed out you don't relate to the person Etc got it okay so let'..."

"need to continuously practice it what did you find was the most important EQ skill for your career that helped you in this journey I don't know if there is one that single-handedly was the most import..."

"going to talk about mentorship and how to work with a mentor yeah but let's kind of wrap up this EQ piece so you mentioned with an EQ skills to think about working on communication leadership and mana..."

"different people have different versions of these blockers this episode is brought to you by linear let's be honest the issue tracker that you're using today isn't very helpful why is it that it alway..."

"actually get better at these things and identify these patterns in yourself there's like a bunch of skills we just named so let's also talk about where you think you start as a PM as you're starting o..."

"like okay now let me I call the user researcher hey can we do a research on like people who are signing up or slack you know data analyst let's look at the data what correlates with activation you kno..."

"one tactic you're talking about here is just work backwards from a forcing function you've created for yourself to learn a thing and in this case what was it you're trying to learn you're trying to le..."

"is qualitative so that's a big part of what I do as well where I whether it's it's true for all these things right like so for execution it would be things like me attending another PM's meeting oh I ..."

"yeah something that you touched on here is and I talk about this a bunch that one of the benefits of working at a large company like Google like slack is that you have access to a ton of real examples..."

"someone coming to them I loved your strategy doc tell me all about it I'd love to talk about that yeah and then the other thing I'll say too is a lot of learning happens through the iterations and not..."

"on EQ any examples of how you learn some of those skills that you talked about communication or leadership or management or anything along with lines yeah so on the communication side you know I read ..."

"EQ it was the most frustrating learning for me you know like for the IQ stuff within six months sometimes three months I can see like clear progress right you see enough like documents you know you se..."

"skill so let's say I wanted to learn the strategy right so I'm like okay I'm meeting myself let's say six months so every week I'm gonna do something related to learning strategy it's gonna be maybe I..."

"is there a skill you're working on right now always working on something uh one I can call out is listening so one thing about the EQ stuff too by the way is you hear these words and depending on how ..."

"you they won't give you feedback because it's just they're taking on a risk right especially with constructive feedback and by the way that's also something that's hard about being underrepresented ri..."

"they they like emotional intelligence and they say that in calibration rooms but not in your face so that's also what you want when you hear feedback you don't want just to like hey here's my piece of..."

"like Jewels here's something that's going wrong you can work on this yeah that's an awesome takeaway one other thread I wanted to pull on is you mentioned focusing on strengths and how that ends up be..."

"I'm like semi-introverted so I'm like well I don't know or how come or Jewels everyone or people will tell me hey you have you ask great questions and I'm like I asked basic questions and then I he he..."

"serving here so an example in my case is you know I've talked about I ask a great question but a sometimes I ask a question about context you know I might come across as less knowledgeable right or an..."

"of it awesome this all often comes back to mentors in your life and so I want to get to talking about mentorship and how you find your mentors how you work with them all that kind of stuff something w..."

"for sure okay that's a killer list two questions one what do you look for in a mentor when you're trying to find someone to work with and then two just like how do you actually find these people like ..."

"that's what I look for and in terms of where I find these people it's really everywhere right you know if you look at the list I mentioned earlier right so Bengali I met at an event like we got a recr..."

"initial conversation like how do you get the foot in the door and what I found is you should make the smallest as possible which is the opposite of what 95 of people do 95 of people it's like hey I've..."

"advice it reminds me of Tim ferriss's advice also which is just like don't go up to someone and be like will you be my mentor everyone's gonna be like I don't have time for that instead it's your poin..."

"I had a chat with shishir through cold Outreach wow cool like a very clear question and then he offered to come to Black PMs and share some insights you know those kind of things I've been to but you ..."

"too yeah that works really well anytime I get an email request of hey could we do a 15 minute Zoom or copy chat and I quickly do not have time for that but an actual question that I can be really help..."

"them versus hey I've interviewed for three companies I'm trying to decide among those three you know can I walk you through my thought process and get your feedback right so it's very different so I d..."

"and then the other thing I'll say too is like when I talk to mentors I always take notes like I mean I'm seeing you're even here in this interview right you're taking notes these are like basic things..."

"is so good because to your point if it just feels like you're sharing all this advice and just isn't going anywhere and the note-taking such great stuff this is really good advice and I could see how ..."

"your peers so that's one thing and then the other thing too is really like building muscles like more so for the EQ stuff but even for the IQ stuff you know it's you have to practice it's not just lik..."

"lightning round since we've gone a little long I'm going to keep it just four questions I'm just gonna go through them pretty fast whatever comes to mind fire off you ready yeah what are two or three ..."