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Dr. Shannon Curry is a clinical and forensic psychologist who conducts research, therapy, and clinical evaluation pertaining to trauma, violence, and relationships. She testified in the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Factor: https://factormeals.com/lex50 and use code lex50 to get 50% off your first box - BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off - House of Macadamias: https://houseofmacadamias.com/lex and use code LEX to get 20% off your first order EPISODE LINKS: Shannon's Instagram: https://instagram.com/currypsychgroup Curry Psychology Group: https://currypsychology.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ Full episodes playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 Clips playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOeciFP3CBCIEElOJeitOr41 OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 1:38 - Starting a relationship 5:37 - Couples therapy 12:54 - Why relationships fail 20:11 - Drama in relationships 25:38 - Success in relationships 32:03 - Dating 40:39 - Sex 42:32 - Cheating 51:33 - Polyamory 53:24 - Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial 1:22:02 - Forensic psychology 1:32:12 - PTSD 1:41:47 - Advice for young people 1:44:38 - Love SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
Dr. Shannon Curry discusses the concept of contempt in relationships, describing it as 'criticism on steroids' and 'sulfuric acid for love.' She explains how contempt manifests through behaviors like eye-rolling and mocking, and emphasizes its role as a significant predictor of relationship failure.
"so contempt is criticism on steroids this is what John gottman calls sulfuric acid for love nothing will erode a relationship quicker than contempt contempt is when you are looking at your partner fro..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry reflects on Charles Bukowski's quote about love fading with reality. She explores the initial high of romantic love, driven by chemicals like dopamine, and discusses the challenges of maintaining passion and intimacy over a long-term relationship.
"predictor of a split the following is a conversation with Shannon Curry a clinical and forensic psychologist who conducts research therapy and psychological evaluations pertaining to trauma violence a..."
Dr. Curry addresses the unrealistic expectations placed on romantic love in modern relationships. She contrasts arranged marriages, which often lead to greater satisfaction, with love-based marriages, arguing that feelings driven by chemicals may not be a solid foundation for lasting commitments.
"the Lex Friedman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends here's Shannon Curry Charles Bukowski said that love is a fog that burns away with the firs..."
Dr. Curry introduces the Gottman Method, an evidence-based approach to couples therapy developed by John and Julie Gottman. She explains how couples can cultivate passion and intimacy through learned skills, emphasizing the importance of understanding the rules of maintaining a healthy relationship.
"can't go on like that you will die if you are using these kinds of chemicals all the time all day long so eventually our bodies are sort of made to dial it down we've made it I mean we're evolutionary..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry explains the 'five-to-one' rule identified by the Gottmans, which suggests that satisfied couples have five positive interactions for every negative one. She clarifies what constitutes positive and negative interactions, emphasizing the importance of connection and acknowledgment in relationships.
"the reality is we know based on the re and and I'm also talking about certain Western civilizations here because as you know there are arranged marriages and a lot of times those marriages if we're lo..."
Dr. Curry discusses the concept of 'bids for connection' in relationships, highlighting how partners express their needs for affection and attention. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing and responding to these bids to foster a deeper emotional connection.
"don't think that feeling could be a foundation for a 50-year relationship well I don't think that specific feeling you're having based on drugs is going to be the same feeling you have 20 30 40 years ..."
Dr. Curry shares insights on the significance of vulnerability in fostering positive interactions within relationships. She reflects on her experiences as a therapist and how showing care and vulnerability can strengthen emotional bonds between partners.
"you are sobbing on the floor and tell you we're going to get through it together who's going to know the names of your kids special ed teacher and the process for getting a 504 plan or is it going to ..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry discusses the importance of repair attempts after conflicts in relationships. She contrasts different approaches to conflict resolution, emphasizing that understanding and communication are key to maintaining a healthy partnership.
"that was something I think one of the reasons I got into studying relationships was because I wanted that right so I'm a scientist but I also love art and I love writing and I love literature I wanted..."
Dr. Curry introduces the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, a concept from the Gottman Method that identifies four behaviors predictive of divorce. She explains how criticism, defensiveness, stonewalling, and contempt can undermine relationships and lead to separation.
"relationship you can build you are not just settling for companionship but you can have passion and intimacy and growing love and appreciation but there is a blueprint a set of skills that we were nev..."
Dr. Curry elaborates on the difference between criticism and complaints in relationships. She explains how criticism can lead to a lack of understanding and connection, while healthy complaints can foster communication and resolution.
"so what's the five to one Golden Rule what I read is there's the kind of balance you can achieve of uh how many interactions you have in a relationships that are positive versus negative and I think t..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry discusses defensiveness as a common reaction to criticism in relationships. She explains how defensiveness can hinder communication and lead to further conflict, emphasizing the need for partners to take responsibility for their actions.
"are happier they have better health Etc they are having approximately five positive interactions to each negative and I want to be clear about what I'm defining as positive and negative here so this d..."
Dr. Curry describes stonewalling as a response to feeling overwhelmed in a relationship. She explains how this behavior can create a cycle of disconnection and frustration, particularly in heterosexual relationships, and highlights the importance of addressing emotional flooding.
"show your partner tell your partner something and have them be proud of you it could be wanting to go buy groceries with your partner doing things together hey you want to come with me it could be tel..."
Dr. Curry emphasizes the destructive nature of contempt in relationships, describing it as a behavior that erodes love and connection. She warns that contempt is a significant predictor of relationship failure and encourages couples to recognize and address it.
"husband may not matter to you for instance I mean Ty's bar is so low with me I thank God what defines the positive interaction right like he just wants me once become if if he wants a water when I get..."
Dr. Shannon Curry explains the concept of stonewalling in relationships, particularly how it manifests in heterosexual dynamics. She discusses how men often stonewall when feeling criticized, leading to a cycle of criticism and withdrawal. This segment highlights the emotional flooding that triggers stonewalling and its impact on communication in relationships.
"Stonewall I also am someone who stonewalls but it's where you just sort of Disconnect from the conversation you shut down you turn away you can physically even turn away kind of arms cross but you're ..."
Curry delves into the destructive nature of contempt in relationships, describing it as 'criticism on steroids.' She emphasizes how contempt can erode love and connection, using John Gottman's metaphor of 'sulfuric acid for love.' This segment underscores the importance of recognizing and addressing contempt to maintain healthy relationships.
"contempt all right so contempt is criticism on steroids this is what John gottman calls sulfuric acid for love nothing will erode a relationship quicker than contempt contempt is when you are looking ..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry discusses the importance of maintaining a positive perspective in relationships. She introduces the idea of 'wearing rose-colored glasses' to appreciate a partner's strengths and beauty, even amidst flaws. This perspective can help couples navigate challenges and deepen their connection.
"change you start to notice beautiful things and then let uh the things that annoy you yes like just you're exactly right you're touching on some really important things so in relationships we actually..."
Curry explores the concept that all humans have unique flaws and that successful relationships involve accepting and working with these differences. She discusses how understanding each other's backgrounds and values can help couples navigate their differences and strengthen their bond.
"almost become I mean our lives intertwine and we grow those oak trees so she by the way this is a line I read somewhere that uh when you're wearing rose-colored glasses all the Red Flags looks just li..."
Dr. Curry examines the dynamics of masculine and feminine traits in relationships, discussing how these traits can influence conflict resolution. She shares insights from her experience with different types of couples, highlighting the gentler approach often seen in same-sex relationships compared to heterosexual couples.
"question but uh in the in the couples you've worked with is there like the feminine and the masculine is there different dynamics that come into play like dominant submissive is there is it like a dan..."
In this segment, Curry outlines specific techniques for resolving conflicts in relationships, particularly using the Gottman method. She explains the importance of understanding each partner's perspective and validating feelings to foster empathy and connection during disagreements.
"relationship but what we do know is that gay couples so lesbians and gay men tend to be gentler with one another when they are having conflict discussions I so that's actually been identified in the r..."
Curry emphasizes the importance of curiosity in maintaining a healthy relationship. She encourages couples to ask deeper questions about each other to rediscover their partner's dreams and aspirations, fostering a sense of closeness and connection over time.
"couples do all the time you just see this humility and openness it's lovely yeah it's lovely but I wonder if uh maybe watching too many Hollywood films is some of the drama some of the tension is requ..."
Dr. Curry identifies key traits of successful relationships, including loyalty, care, and mutual support. She discusses how couples who work through challenges together and maintain a united front can create a strong bond that withstands difficulties.
"fondest but unrealized life dream and see if your partner knows you might not even know they might know you better than you know yourself that in and of itself is a beautiful reminder of the relations..."
In this segment, Curry discusses the concept of attunement in relationships, where partners are emotionally in sync and supportive of each other. She highlights how this connection fosters a sense of safety and loyalty, which is crucial for long-term relationship success.
"exactly like like what what's your favorite movie from the 80s you might not know the answer to that it's like those first date questions or whatever or what's your favorite movie this year and why an..."
Curry explains how recognizing and valuing each other's contributions in a relationship can enhance connection. She discusses the importance of showing appreciation and maintaining a sense of wonder about one's partner, which can prevent complacency and deepen intimacy.
"take a wrong step and you can be back in a tough place in your relationship or you treat it with care and it can be amazing so they're careful with one another they give each other compliments they ar..."
Dr. Curry elaborates on the Gottman method for processing conflicts, emphasizing the need for couples to share their perspectives and validate each other's feelings. This approach fosters understanding and helps partners navigate their emotional responses to conflicts.
"person I've ever seen in my life most I can't you know you just appreciate every war that comes out of them and look at them in that way you actually begin to believe it yeah and you actually begin to..."
Curry critiques the modern dating process, suggesting that many people approach relationships based on fleeting emotions rather than deeper compatibility. She introduces insights from psychologist Tai Tashiro, advocating for a more thoughtful approach to finding lasting partnerships.
"intervention where you kind of look at the underlying belief systems values and there's the goal is not to solve that problem the goal in that situation is to actually just get a better understanding ..."
Dr. Shannon Curry discusses the importance of recognizing and understanding the sensitivities of your partner in a relationship. She emphasizes how acknowledging these sensitivities can transform future disagreements and enhance emotional connections, leading to a more compassionate and supportive partnership.
"mom was always accusing me of doing things I wasn't doing and it would set me up and my dad would come home he'd hear about it he would just believe her and then you have like a partner climbing up on..."
Curry critiques the current state of modern dating, suggesting that many people are approaching relationships incorrectly. She introduces the work of psychologist Tai Tashiro, who explores the factors that contribute to relationship satisfaction and happiness, highlighting the need for a more thoughtful approach to finding a lifelong partner.
"feel so unloved what are you uh the early days of that what do you think about the whole dating modern dating process how do you find a partner that you can um stay with for the rest of your life so w..."
Dr. Curry shares insights from Tai Tashiro's research on relationship satisfaction, identifying three key traits that happy couples tend to share: conscientiousness, low neuroticism, and moderate adventurousness. She explains how these traits contribute to emotional stability and satisfaction in long-term relationships.
"tashiro starts talking about his research and how he found that most people are you know signing this agreement getting married and doing it based on the love endorphins and really only about 35 perce..."
Curry elaborates on the trait of conscientiousness, describing it as a blend of kindness, intelligence, and attentiveness. She illustrates how a conscientious partner actively considers their partner's needs and contributes positively to the relationship, enhancing love and gratitude over time.
"okay and I love the word conscientiousness because it's not just kindness kindness is a good way to think of it but you can be kind and kind of be a pushover and that's not attractive conscientiousnes..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry discusses the significance of emotional stability in partners, emphasizing the importance of low neuroticism. She explains how emotionally stable partners contribute to a healthier relationship dynamic, reducing chaos and fostering a supportive environment for both individuals.
"conscientiousness and it is true I mean I will tell you as somebody who's with a conscientious partner Your Love increases over time as you continue to feel grateful and admiring of that person the se..."
Dr. Curry explores the role of adventurousness in relationships, noting that moderate levels can enhance satisfaction. She warns against high adventurousness, which may lead to novelty-seeking behaviors that can jeopardize monogamous commitments, while also highlighting the value of a partner who is self-motivated and engaged.
"really hard on other family members including children if you have children so it's just a predictor of Happiness so there's a certain threshold of chaos that if you exceed it it's going to be destruc..."
Curry emphasizes the potential for personal growth within relationships, discussing how individuals can work on traits like conscientiousness and adventurousness. She advocates for self-awareness and therapy as tools for improving relationship dynamics and fostering deeper connections.
"third is um really interesting I think so he found that having a partner with sort of moderate adventurousness not high adventurousness actually leads to greater greater satisfaction and the reason fo..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry reflects on the importance of stability in long-term relationships. She shares a personal story that illustrates how a supportive partner can provide comfort during challenging times, reinforcing the value of emotional security and commitment in a partnership.
"thing ultimately what you're getting with low to moderate adventurousness is that rock that feeling of stability that home and I made some references earlier like when you're 70 and you turn to your p..."
Curry discusses the role of sex in relationships, highlighting its benefits for bonding and stress relief. She notes that sexual satisfaction varies among couples and emphasizes the importance of mutual satisfaction rather than frequency, linking it to overall relationship health.
"wonder if those things those those three things that something you can work on you know Consciousness you can probably you can proactively observe yourself and you know do it more regularly right neur..."
Dr. Curry delves into the complexities of infidelity, discussing the various reasons individuals cheat and the impact it has on relationships. She highlights the emotional turmoil that betrayal can cause and the differing perspectives on honesty and disclosure in the context of infidelity.
"now in my 40s than I was when I was younger but in that same way for me I like to connect myself to high adventure people so that it like brings me brings me out it's like uh they're a horse and I'm g..."
In this segment, Curry addresses the psychological effects of infidelity on the betrayed partner, explaining how it can lead to post-traumatic stress and emotional distress. She argues that the burden of guilt should be carried by the unfaithful partner, rather than being transferred to the betrayed partner.
"there are but it really has more to do it's sort of like remember I was talking about processing conflict and what matters is do people feel like it's been resolved do they feel like there's been a re..."
Dr. Shannon Curry discusses the complexities of honesty in relationships, particularly regarding infidelity. She argues that if someone has cheated, they should bear the burden of their actions rather than disclosing it to their partner, which could cause unnecessary trauma. This segment explores the psychological impact of betrayal and the moral implications of truth versus kindness in relationships.
"then also is honesty harmful or helpful at certain points too yeah I.E so you're talking about sort of like disclosing prior sexual history I thought you were going to go to so if you've had an affair..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry contrasts her views on truth and kindness in relationships with those of her husband. She emphasizes that while some prioritize honesty above all, she believes in minimizing harm to partners. The discussion highlights the emotional complexities involved in deciding whether to disclose painful truths and the potential consequences of such disclosures.
"discomfort thank you for saying that because I I totally agree but it's it's like logically it's doesn't quite make sense to give that advice but psychologically makes complete sense because you reall..."
Dr. Curry reflects on the challenges of sharing difficult truths with loved ones, using the example of discussing a parent's dementia. She argues that sometimes, protecting a loved one from painful realities can be more compassionate than insisting on complete honesty. This segment delves into the nuances of communication in relationships and the balance between truth and emotional safety.
"and I think there's sort of a cleansing we do when we share that information I think in real life most people disclose it because they can't stand the secret anymore themselves that to me is a selfish..."
Dr. Curry shares her perspective on open relationships, acknowledging their potential benefits while also recognizing the societal challenges that come with them. She discusses the emotional complexities, such as jealousy and the need for clear communication, that can arise in non-monogamous arrangements. This segment provides insights into the dynamics of open relationships and the importance of experience and honesty.
"and then you're like oh yeah like should I sit my dad down right now and be like Dad your dementia like you have dementia again today I'm going to tell you Dad you're not making sense no we're good it..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry describes her experience testifying in the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial as a forensic psychologist. She discusses the unique pressures of being in the public eye and the importance of maintaining professionalism under stress. This segment highlights the responsibilities and challenges faced by forensic psychologists in high-stakes legal situations.
"from the values that they've been taught since they were kids um and so jealousy arises a lot and uh and also I it's very difficult to be I think as truthful and direct as you need to be which you're ..."
Dr. Curry opens up about her feelings of anxiety and terror before testifying in court. She explains how these emotions can impact cognitive function and performance. This segment explores the psychological effects of stress on professionals in high-pressure situations and how focusing on the task at hand can help mitigate anxiety.
"um this was different I I anxiety isn't usually my brand um and I just skipped anxiety that Maureen went straight to Terror and he was mad I was mad at the legal it was funny like I was having all the..."
Dr. Curry explains the role of forensic psychologists in legal contexts, including conducting evaluations and providing expert testimony. She outlines the various ways forensic psychologists can assist the court, emphasizing the importance of their evaluations in understanding the psychological state of individuals involved in legal cases.
"but um once you're sitting there for a little bit and you're asked the questions you can kind of go into a routine of just wanting to talk about your work so what is the work the job of a forensic psy..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry discusses the pressure of providing precise and accurate testimony in court. She reflects on the need for clarity and understanding in her responses, highlighting the cognitive shift that occurs when focusing on the questions rather than the anxiety of the situation. This segment underscores the significance of effective communication in forensic psychology.
"what your findings were but from my perspective just watching you seem to have held it together really well so what do you attribute that to so you said like it calmed down after you were able to ask ..."
Dr. Curry introduces the MMPI-2, a psychological assessment tool used to evaluate personality traits and mental health. She explains its empirical basis and how it helps identify patterns in responses, making it difficult to cheat. This segment provides an overview of the MMPI-2's structure and its relevance in psychological evaluations.
"has some basic skills as code types and just reading through the different complex it's the thing of beauty because the human mind is really complicated even you know depression schizophrenia uh bipol..."
Dr. Curry elaborates on the MMPI-2's clinical scales and how they assess various psychological conditions. She discusses the significance of validity scales in understanding a person's approach to the test and their honesty in responses. This segment highlights the depth of insight that the MMPI-2 can provide into an individual's personality and mental health.
"illness you just get a comparison group and then a group who's using that specific strategy or has that specific mental illness or has that personality trait um and you just look for patterns and ther..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry elaborates on the MMPI-2, a widely used personality assessment tool. She explains its clinical scales and code types, which provide insights into a person's personality and behavior. The discussion includes the limitations of the test and the importance of using it as part of a broader diagnostic process.
"just tells you that you're not responding in a way that is uh dishonest and that you are uh kind not hugely problematic but there's you know it's not looking for strength so you have these 10 clinical..."
Dr. Curry addresses the classification of personality disorders, particularly focusing on borderline and histrionic personality disorders. She discusses the potential shift towards a spectrum-based approach in understanding these disorders, emphasizing the overlap and complexity of symptoms that individuals may exhibit.
"there are a lot of questions pretty interesting it is I was I wanted to see which one I would I have given it to some people in my life it's just phenomenal how hard is it on your side of the table to..."
This segment delves into the characteristics of borderline and histrionic personality disorders. Dr. Curry explains the emotional instability and impulsiveness associated with borderline personality disorder, contrasting it with the attention-seeking and dramatic traits of histrionic personality disorder.
"more in uh trying to figure out like how to improve your lifestyle improve your relationships all that kind of stuff so the the results of the test with um would then be heard if you can speak to the ..."
Dr. Curry explores the origins of personality disorders, particularly borderline personality disorder, discussing the interplay of genetic predispositions and environmental factors such as childhood trauma. She emphasizes the biopsychosocial model in understanding mental health issues.
"um I don't love the title histrionic personality disorder I think its history is um it's pretty controversial and there's some misogyny in it but that all being said as a servant to the court and some..."
In this insightful discussion, Dr. Curry highlights the importance of self-awareness in individuals with personality disorders. She shares personal anecdotes about clients who demonstrate self-awareness and accountability, contrasting them with those who may exhibit more harmful behaviors.
"same time so speaking about borderline personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder borderline personality disorder can best be thought of as a disorder of instability and impulsiveness em..."
Dr. Curry provides a detailed explanation of the symptoms of borderline personality disorder, focusing on emotional instability and the fear of abandonment. She discusses how these traits can lead to harmful behaviors and the challenges faced by individuals with this disorder.
"to the person and to others to the person themselves so the fear of Abandonment can result in the very thing you're afraid of right and and I there has been some research also to suggest that there th..."
This segment addresses the complexity of diagnosing personality disorders, particularly the overlap between different disorders. Dr. Curry discusses the implications of these overlaps for treatment and understanding individual behavior.
"and so there's some new research also coming out that's even suggested that among women those that score higher in some of these more calculated traits of the disorder may actually be it may be a cert..."
Dr. Curry reflects on the implications of recording personal interactions in relationships. She discusses how recordings can provide insights into communication patterns and self-perception, emphasizing the value of self-reflection in improving relationships.
"um I certainly think that in most cases and here's just me speaking personally again I think in my own work in most cases what I see is that somebody may have some sort of predisposition then they go ..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry analyzes Amber Heard's personality using the MMPI-2 code type 3-6. She discusses the implications of this code type, including traits such as anxiety, attention-seeking behavior, and externalizing blame, providing a forensic psychology perspective on the trial.
"interesting the act of recording your partner yeah and not not the ethics of that or so on but the fact that you have this data made me wonder like if I recorded myself how would I sound like when you..."
Dr. Curry explains the role of forensic psychology in legal contexts, particularly in evaluating personality disorders. She discusses the importance of integrating various sources of information and the challenges faced when conducting assessments in high-profile cases.
"externalizing blame and then I also went into the the mmpi2 list three six includes anxiety tension rigidity fear of criticism suppress hostility merging and passive or episodic aggression suspiciousn..."
Reflecting on her experience in the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial, Dr. Curry shares how the high stakes of the case strengthened her forensic psychology skills. She highlights the intellectual challenges she faced and the importance of adhering to best practices in her evaluations.
"Financial functioning physical functioning academic functioning basically where is there evidence that something in their life changed um where is there evidence that harm occurred other than from wha..."
Dr. Curry reveals how the trial impacted her personally, emphasizing the need to slow down amidst the demands of her career. She reflects on the balance between pushing herself academically and the necessity of self-care in her profession.
"okay so given how huge this trial was given how eloquent you were you were I know you don't think of it that way but from a public perspective you were like the star because of how well you've been it..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry discusses the emotional toll of maintaining client relationships while managing a busy practice. She expresses the difficulty of being there for clients during crises while balancing her professional responsibilities and personal challenges.
"wow uh I mean a lot happened in my life around that trial leading up to the trial after the trial um so let's tackle forensic psychologists first sure okay so in terms of forensic psychology um I am g..."
Dr. Curry shares her experience of being in the public eye during the trial, discussing the unexpected stress it brought. She reflects on the challenges of testifying under pressure and the support she received from her legal team.
"so now personally um I've learned some things I've learned that I need to slow down a little bit so this took a lot from you it took a lot but it was really the culmination I feel like there are these..."
Dr. Curry elaborates on the rigorous demands of forensic psychology, including the extensive research and preparation required for cases. She discusses the balance between her forensic work and her therapy practice, highlighting the ongoing challenges she faces.
"I don't just do forensic psychology all day I also have own a clinic I provide therapy I've been providing therapy for 15 years so what happens is you have clients who maybe you've stopped seeing but ..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry emphasizes the necessity of self-care for professionals in high-stress environments. She reflects on her own experiences with stress and the importance of recognizing when to slow down to maintain mental health.
"he started having his cognitive decline I got a medical diagnosis that is stress induced um I really thought I was getting away with it I I really believed that people who talk like a lot about self-c..."
Dr. Curry discusses the psychological effects of being in the public eye, particularly during high-profile trials. She shares her feelings of exhaustion and the unexpected nature of public scrutiny following her testimony.
"lost your mind quite yet maybe yeah maybe unless I mean it depends who you ask what about the stress of just being in the public eye has that been difficult for you that's a lovely question thank you ..."
Dr. Curry provides insights into PTSD among veterans, explaining the complexities of trauma exposure in combat. She clarifies the distinction between traumatic stress and PTSD, emphasizing the importance of accurate diagnosis and treatment.
"about that too at the moment I came to almost like came back to my body and realized where I was and just wanted it to stop and felt like I was burning alive I just was thinking I don't want to do thi..."
In this segment, Dr. Curry discusses the healing processes available for veterans suffering from PTSD. She highlights the military's investment in mental health and the challenges faced by veterans in accessing appropriate care.
"PTSD significantly impairs people's lives how do veterans how do soldiers who suffer from PTSD or close to that kind of diagnosis begin to heal what's the path for healing well I will hand it to the m..."
Dr. Curry explores the deep connections formed between soldiers during combat, emphasizing how shared vulnerability strips away ego and fosters a unique bond. She reflects on her interactions with soldiers from various conflicts, including Iraq, Afghanistan, and Ukraine, and discusses the emotional complexities they face upon returning home, including feelings of love and emotional numbness.
"problem is that they Outsource to this third party company they're paying really low rates for a one hour meeting with a vet and you don't need to be specifically trained in assessing PTSD um and so y..."
In this poignant segment, Dr. Curry reflects on how war reveals the human condition in its purest form. She discusses the profound experiences soldiers endure and the emotional struggles they face, including feelings of love and loss. Dr. Curry emphasizes the importance of understanding these experiences to foster empathy and support for veterans dealing with PTSD.
"if you can speak to why do you think that is on the opposite side of PTSD there's a there's a deep human connection there's like a love for each other what is that what what is that about war and comb..."
Dr. Curry shares valuable advice for young people seeking direction in their careers. Drawing from her father's wisdom, she encourages them to pursue what they love, emphasizing that passion can lead to unexpected opportunities. She reflects on her own journey in psychology and the importance of following one's interests, even when the path is unclear.
"numb um that they want to kill someone that they have a whole lot of racist beliefs and thoughts um there are a lot of things that can be associated with PTSD that aren't as clear or expected and thes..."
In this heartfelt conclusion, Dr. Curry discusses the central role of love in the human experience. She reflects on moments of clarity and connection that reveal the essence of life, emphasizing the importance of love for oneself and others. This segment encapsulates the overarching theme of the conversation, highlighting love as a unifying force that can help us navigate life's challenges.
"um and are just looking young people that are looking to find what they want to do with their life career-wise or I love that question what would you tell them I'm gonna tell them something my dad tol..."