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Julia Shaw is a criminal psychologist and author who in her books explores human nature, including psychopathy, violent crime, the psychology of evil, police interrogation, false memory manipulation, deception detection, and human sexuality. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep483-sb See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. *Transcript:* https://lexfridman.com/julia-shaw-transcript *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* Julia's Instagram: https://instagram.com/drjuliashaw Julia's Website: https://www.drjuliashaw.com/ Julia's Linktree: https://linktr.ee/drjuliashaw Julia's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drjuliashaw/ Julia's Books: https://amzn.to/4mQBnTV Green Crime (US Book): https://amzn.to/4nLfSVE Green Crime (Canadian Book): https://amzn.to/47lBAdc *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Shopify:* Sell stuff online. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep483-sb *BetterHelp:* Online therapy and counseling. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-ep483-sb *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep483-sb *AG1:* All-in-one daily nutrition drink. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/ag1-ep483-sb *OUTLINE:* 0:00 - Episode highlight 0:23 - Introduction 1:38 - Dark Tetrad - Psychopathy, Narcissism, Machiavellianism, Sadism 22:45 - Serial killers 37:21 - Murder 45:13 - Lies and scams 50:00 - Jealousy 53:29 - Monogamy 58:42 - Sexuality 1:13:43 - Sexual fetishes 1:29:18 - Criminal psychology 1:32:26 - False memories 2:18:22 - Criminals destroying the planet 2:33:46 - Hope *PODCAST LINKS:* - Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast - Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr - Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 - RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ - Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 - Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/lexclips *SOCIAL LINKS:* - X: https://x.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://instagram.com/lexfridman - TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://facebook.com/lexfridman - Patreon: https://patreon.com/lexfridman - Telegram: https://t.me/lexfridman - Reddit: https://reddit.com/r/lexfridman
"- We all have the capacity to kill people and murder people and do other terrible things. The question is why we don't do those things rather than why we do those things quite often. Most men have fan..."
"- The following is a conversation with Julia Shaw, a criminal psychologist who has written extensively on a wide variety of topics that explore human nature, including psychopathy, violent crime, psyc..."
"Behind Humanity's Dark Side. So lots of interesting topics to cover here. Let's start with the continuum. You described that evil is a continuum. In other words, the dark tetrad: psychopathy, sadism, ..."
"Speaking of which, you've done a lot of really great podcast shows. One of them is Bad People Podcast. You co-host it. It has over 100 episodes, each covering a crime. What's maybe the most disturbing..."
"70% of men and some large percentage of women fantasize about murder, and I also read that you wrote that recidivism for homicide is only 1 to 3%. So that raises the question, why do people commit mur..."
"So, one more episode, you interviewed the lady Cecilia, who got Tinder swindled. Can you tell what happened with the Tinder swindle situation? - So, the Tinder Swindler, that was a person who pretende..."
"can also be used in that way. - Is there any way out of that? Maybe the jealousy study, or is this a vicious downward spiral whenever there's any kind of signs like this that means you're screwed, get..."
"the right relationship. - So, the fact that a lot of people cheat, does that mean every single person that cheated? Does that mean they're probably not going to be good at monogamy? I guess if you can..."
"- Or thinking they're lying. So with men... I wrote a book called Bi: The Hidden Culture, History, and Science of Bisexuality, and I did that after I created a bisexual research group. So, I wasn't a ..."
"- Since we're on the topic of sexuality, one of the things you touched on in your book on evil was kinks, sexual fantasies. I think the point of describing that was that we often label that as evil or..."
"- Just to go back to the beginning, what got you interested in criminal psychology? - Well, if you look at my trajectory into academia and then through it, basically what happened is I was ready to go..."
"interested in applied sciences because I like the idea of, you know, what do we do with this information? And the thing that interests me most from a research perspective, I mean, I did my PhD in fals..."
"across a number of disciplines. I mean, from sexuality to evil to memory, and now in your upcoming book, Green Crime: Inside the Minds of the People Destroying the Planet and How to Stop Them. Can you..."
"this beautiful world of ours, about the future of human civilization, given all the darkness that you have studied? - I think the fact that there are people who study the darkness gives me hope, and t..."