"BOS the CTO of meta said something about you working with Amy she could have the most profound disagreement in the world and she would respond fascinating you have to tell me more why you think that I..."

"ammy thank you so much for being here and welcome to the podcast oh thank you I'm so happy to be here so when I asked you about your goal for our conversation today you said the most amazing thing whi..."

"for me that I'm not going to be a person with a plan and actually the thing that has consistently served me is to like do the thing that feels right go to the place that feels like home work with the ..."

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"you're saying that a lot of your successes come from following people that are awesome can you just talk more about that just like what it is you've followed and seen that has helped you land in place..."

"there I imagine that was something that you did for before you joined Fair which I want to talk about but let me transition a bit to talking about meta and specifically BOS the CTO of meta was on this..."

"just open the door instead and say like hey you seem to know something that I don't know yet like why not tell me about it I'm going to get better we'll probably come to the right outcome maybe you'll..."

"practice of just noticing how much better things can get when you can be open to them has been really fun what do you think of this phrase that he uh used that he remembers is that like a phrase that ..."

"people are going to start using this phrase fascinating when they when they hear something they kind of tag life there were a few years where we're like I had to be careful about not saying it because..."

"dinosaur brain is going to be like okay that sounds like a very reasonable pattern I've seen other patterns that look like this okay that sounds like an outcome however it conflicts with this outcome ..."

"coherent product that you're building and so I think when you flip the frame of reviews to being less about okay I'm going to bring this information to an exact my manag or whoever and they're going t..."

"conversations are and I'd rather have like a less formal conversation faster than a formal conversation and lose three weeks in the process when we could have been building I think it needs to be cros..."

"for themselves awesome you've done this a number of times already in this conversation and so I want to spend a little time here which is using metaphors and imagery to make your point and get people ..."

"Summit and that is really hard I'm thinking of things like you know maybe the first time I saw this was like a lot of companies were really good at desktop and you could see the m Mountain like way ou..."

"able to solve these problems in these ways it was worth it I love that it feels like a big uh value of this metaphor which I love is that to set expectations it's going to be really hard for a little ..."

"analogies because like I think think especially as you scale a team narrative becomes increasingly important like narrative can carry so much weight and water where otherwise it's it's kind of similar..."

"are very Tech comfortable and Savvy and people in the low-end markets who were carrying these low-end devices they weren't that familiar with technology it was maybe their first time online um we had ..."

"the the whole one of the main differentiators and benefits is super fast and I see completely how it connects this idea of you're just like idea is we want you to feel like you're talking to someone a..."

"me see what that person is going to say next like let me put myself in their shoes let me think about what their reacting to and why they're going to think that and how they're going to see the world ..."

"video calling I really one of the metaphors was like sitting around in your family room when you think about how to make calls work where when you're sitting in a family room you're not scheduling it ..."

"direction one of my favorite posts of yours is called execution beats strategy every time and I think another way you phrase it is execution eat strategy for breakfast I think you put that somewhere I..."

"of the things that you learn is like if you have great strategy perfect strategy but poor execution you don't win because your strategy never makes it to the market and what's even worse is that you h..."

"leads to the customers outcomes you know that is what the customer and eventually going to feel they're never going to see the Whiteboard they're going to see that someone took the time to fix this bu..."

"I imagine what you see is as you get more senior more you time spend on strategy less time on execution right I don't 100% know that that's true I think again like even at high levels this maybe the t..."

"different products whether that's changing our portfolio allocation like moving people to the things we think are most important now versus things that are going to be less important right now like wh..."

"career was this kind of uh overcoming this fear and and uncertainty was it some sometime within Facebook it was sometime within Facebook it was really when I was stepping into like the the bigger ads ..."

"that maybe that's too far or do you think you would have done things differently looking back yeah this it's kind of one of my Roman Empires like I think about this every so often like way too much I ..."

"tools so that you you know new keys to unlock new different kinds of doors and that is only going to make you bigger and more powerful and more expansive but the end outcome is the same is that you ca..."

"female leader I imagine you've gone through some stuff that isn't uh what something men would have gone through is there anything there that you want to share or anything you've learned about just bei..."

"like I do have biases toward execution and being directive and things like that but I think learning how to interpret and respond to feedback has been a really important point for me and making my cho..."

"to keep operating and then I think we just like give women weird ad like here's a hot take I think we tell women things like you need to find a mentor and you need to find a sponsor and that's just an..."

"didn't I had everything I needed people were so kind and generous but I didn't recognize it that way because we talk about it differently thank you for sharing all that I wasn't planning on going in t..."

"I'm excited to talk about it um I hear really good at setting goals and aligning incentives really well for teams one of your colleagues told me you're Best in Class at Building Product orgs and figur..."

"gets contact on the ball there's no like coordination you know I have three kids I've watched a lot of toddlers play soccer I it it's a very fresh very fresh metaphor and uh and instead like one thing..."

"end is there an example you could share to make this even more concrete from say WhatsApp or Facebook or Instagram or anything like that where you can share some of these goals that you've like oh thi..."

"got some structural stuff you need to work out and normally you just have to escalate it but if you agree on like we're all trying to move this metric by changing this customer experience then all you..."

"like a tough thing to learn too you said somewhere that as you get more senior you get worse at everything because the problems get hard ex it it's a kind of dark view of leadership you know where you..."

"of impact on the world I think this is really important for early like icpms to hear because they see their CPO and Founders making all these decisions and they're like what the hell that's a terrible..."

"of the fun of it that's part of getting to do this work is like continuing to improve but it's hard it's hard when people it's hard especially when you want everyone to think you're so great at everyt..."

"like coming to fair I mean one of the things I always think about is that when you especially as you are more senior ramping on anywhere feels terrible because you expect to be as good at your new job..."

"curve which I always really love um maybe the last thing I'd say is like again I was super lucky at meta I think I always had this maybe like deep-seated insecurity that I maybe I was only good at met..."

"really lucky cuz Max is an amazing CEO who's also super growth mindset and super open to like talking over ideas even when they involve a lot of change so like you know when I was onboarding one of th..."

"know because I was able to build like such a great relationship a like a trusting and complimentary relationship with Max and the rest of the exec team and also that he took seriously things that he r..."

"impact last question you started as a inter as an intern uh in the PR department I think at meta I started in the 10 actually attemp okay yeah amazing and then you ended up uh leading Facebook ads and..."

"other episode also iy is there anything else that you wanted to share or leave listeners with before we get to a very exciting lightning round sometimes people ask me who are working in product like w..."

"that feedback grp with the customer but also more successful let me actually follow up on this because this is really important and interesting there's a PM part of my brain of like okay but we also g..."

"really thinking about where you are in the journey and how to place that that always helps me because our metrics should absolutely be about long-term customer impact it's very rare if those aren't an..."

"lightning round here we go first question what are two or three books that you've recommended most to other people the year of yes by shaer ryes I almost never read non-fiction I love Shonda Rimes mad..."

"what I'm putting in I love that quote by the way if people don't know what you're talking about when you talk about the Roman Empires there's a meme on Tik Tok where uh somebody said that uh every man..."