"you're often the youngest person in the room what have you learned about how to Garner trust and win over Skeptics the thing I would say is bring the Insight know that I customer Know Thy Market know ..."

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"metrics to have as a guard rail to ensure that we're not driving one metric at the expense of people really getting what they need out of Asana just a couple more questions along these lines some nerd..."

"people to get out of their um opinion driven lands because so often we really want we we need to be curious quantitatively and and qualitatively about what we're doing and why and be more systematic a..."

"way you described it is it was very customer Target oriented is that just is that the actual framework is it around like who to build this for and then what to build or is it more it is yeah it's real..."

"problem solved and so there it always starts with enough customer Insight such that we can creatively do what they're trying to do and really inventing on behalf of customers can you maybe repeat if t..."

"and so that launch review is often just hey you really hears the thing here's what we said here are the past follows most of the time by that time it's already been dog fitting internally for some tim..."

"designed from the start we wanted to make sure that we took advantage of what's great about working together as teams and so it's it's been the standard so I I would say what's unique about maybe Asan..."

"opportunities to talk strategy with people you're not forced into a meeting room with has been super beneficial I can say that just just today I was having lunch and sat down with my head of data scie..."

"it was yeah it was at Airbnb I would encourage you to know your chronotype and to walk that time where you have the most head space to do that work so for me it's warnings say morning what is that I'm..."

"opportunity that's you're not advocating for that just is is true but I think that's a really tricky and unique thing is not to pretend like you have more experience than you do but to be willing to a..."

"perception of self-interest really can change whether people like how much they trust you in terms of knowing the insight and knowing that customer putting the time I imagine is a big element of that ..."

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"from my chats with folks that you work with it's really clear that you put a lot of time and energy into mentoring and coaching PMS on your team and I think probably broadly at Asana and one thing spe..."

"than you will get from just you know what does your day entail from a what work is directly required of you is there an example of that happening either to you or you saw a manager leader do this and ..."

"in terms of experiences like sometimes the experience is you doing the thing and getting that experience firsthand other times you you need an education you need a mentor you need a coach who will tel..."

"experience exposure and education really helps you make sure that you're consciously moving forward on each of those fronts or finding people who can help you there I love that piece of advice and it ..."

"of advice that I would say that I I like is more of a way of thinking so this is a little a little abstract but when cut uh when in plays join Asana they get a book called the 15 commitments of a cons..."

"it also helped me think about like rejecting false trade-offs and challenging like effectively there's this notion of how might the opposite be true and that's that's a piece of advice that I give mys..."

"show up and be curious and like really engage with you on the topics that you've found interesting and we'll just do that and so how might the opposite be true has been a really helpful piece of advic..."

"to serve with new ways of serving them and so it was a really fun conversation and I also had to be honest with people and say this is a 70 cut 30 of this is missing or incorrect and that's why I'm co..."

"our 12-month rolling planning conversation let me pull on this AI thread because it's uh clearly top of mind for a lot of people yeah how do you think about splitting up investment in AI exploration w..."

"Norms of how we work so they kind of went straight to prototyping instead of going through that double Diamond I was explaining earlier what that meant was that we were really quickly able to say wow ..."

"want to do um and so we're able to like nudge people without wasting time and build the skills locally within the teams that then move those experiences forward I'm going to come back to the coaching ..."

"and their training so on the PM front the biggest thing that they taught was around customer centricity and it really started with the founding of the company like if for anyone who works it into it o..."

"create products around they also are very specific about how they Define a durable advantage and think about overall like the the product process from a place of customer Insight through to like the m..."

"don't set up your your teammates your teams for growth or success in their careers and so their their program for helping you think about like okay I'm gonna convey this feedback as situation Behavior..."

"format and framing really helped me understand that delivering feedback isn't about being right or about getting the right information to the other person it's about sharing the impact of different de..."

"so you've worked with a lot of early product managers I'm curious what you find most holds back new PMS in help being successful in their career and even on the flip side what most helps new PMS be su..."

"what I was saying or if we were saying the same things that was really an interesting experience um yeah there are just so many yeah with that second lesson is there something you've changed in the wa..."

"I'm curious how you think about your career going forward how far out do you think where you want to be and how do you kind of plan out the future of Paige's career I try to be really intentional abou..."

"work and then the third piece is really around just the problem the problem your product is solving is it fun is it interesting I often like to think about like passions are made not found because I t..."

"are things that I use to assess like am I still on the right path or should I consider an alternative but when I think about my own career I really think about skills and experiences as opposed to rol..."

"what is a favorite recent movie or TV show ooh I'm very much enjoying the Diplomat right now and then TV show or a movie let's see I just watched the fire of Love documentary which is about a couple w..."

"what is a favorite product that you've recently discovered that you love I've been playing a lot with poe.com lately just an opportunity to learn more about llm capabilities in a first-hand way it's b..."

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"stage got it informed people stakeholders decision makers okay great final question you work at Asana what is your favorite Asana Pro tip I use Asana to run all my meetings and assign pre-reads so I u..."

"awesome thank you so much for doing this two final questions where can folks find you online if they want to reach out and learn more and how can listeners be useful to you you can find me on LinkedIn..."