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Jeffrey Pfeffer teaches the single most popular (and somewhat controversial) class at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business: The Paths to Power. He’s also the author of 16 books, including 7 Rules of Power: Surprising—But True—Advice on How to Get Things Done and Advance Your Career. He has taught at Harvard, the London Business School, and IESE and has written for publications like Fortune and the Washington Post. Recognized by the Academy of Management and listed in the Thinkers50 Hall of Fame, Jeffrey also serves on several corporate and nonprofit boards, bringing his expertise to global audiences through seminars and executive education. In our conversation, we discuss: • Jeffrey’s seven rules of power • How individuals can acquire and use power in business • Networking, and how to do it effectively • How to build a non-cringe personal brand • How to increase your influence to amplify your impact • Examples and stories of people building power • Tradeoffs and challenges that come with power — Brought to you by: • Uizard—AI-powered prototyping for visionary product leaders: https://uizard.io/lenny • Webflow—The web experience platform: https://webflow.com • Heap—Cross-platform product analytics that converts, engages, and retains customers: https://www.heap.io/lenny Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer Where to find Jeffrey Pfeffer: • X: https://x.com/JeffreyPfeffer • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-pfeffer-57a01b6/ • Website: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/ • Podcast: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/pfeffer-on-power/ Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Jeffrey’s background (02:54) Understanding discomfort with power (04:56) Power skills for underrepresented groups (07:51) The popularity and challenges of Jeffrey’s class at Stanford (12:21) The seven rules of power (13:03) Success stories from his course (15:43) Building a personal brand (21:11) Getting out of your own way (26:04) Breaking the rules to gain power (30:34) Networking relentlessly (40:10) Why Jeffrey says to “pursue weak ties” (42:00) Using your power to build more power (44:34) The importance of appearance and body language (47:15) Mastering the art of presentation (55:12) Examples of homework assignments that Jeffrey gives students (59:11) People will forget how you acquired power (01:03:58) More good people need to have power (01:10:49) The price of power and autonomy (01:17:13) A homework assignment for you Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.
Jeffrey Pfeffer introduces the concept of power and its significance in career advancement. He emphasizes that understanding and acquiring power leads to promotions, job satisfaction, and reduced stress. Pfeffer argues that power is not inherently negative; rather, it is a necessary skill for achieving success in the business world.
"we're going to be talking about how to grow your power the reason why you should pay attention to this is because it leads to a lot of good things sour getting promoted being happy in your career bein..."
In this segment, Pfeffer discusses why many people feel uncomfortable with the idea of power. He explains that societal norms often conflict with the realities of acquiring power, leading to discomfort. He stresses the importance of recognizing that power can be used for good and that individuals must overcome their biases to succeed.
"personality these are skills that can be Mass people might be hearing this and they're like I don't want to be this person well you already have done a fabulous job of illustrating principle one that ..."
Jeffrey Pfeffer shares insights about his popular class, 'The Paths to Power,' at Stanford's Graduate School of Business. He highlights the course's focus on practical skills for building power and influence, and how it prepares students for real-world challenges. Pfeffer reflects on the mixed feelings students have towards the course, likening it to 'cod liver oil'—beneficial but daunting.
"today my guest is Jeffrey feffer Jeffrey is a professor of organizational behavior at Stanford's Graduate School of Business and teaches one of the two most popular and oversubscribed courses in all o..."
Pfeffer introduces his seven rules of power, which serve as a framework for individuals looking to enhance their influence. He emphasizes that these rules are not about personality but rather skills that can be developed. The rules include getting out of your own way, breaking the rules, and networking relentlessly.
"in our conversation we dig into each of the seven Powers why it's important to build these skills even if you feel uncomfortable we talk through a bunch of examples of the power in action and the impa..."
In this segment, Pfeffer discusses the uncomfortable truths about acquiring power. He explains that the skills needed to gain power often contradict societal teachings about morality and ethics. He uses analogies to illustrate that tools like power can be used for both good and bad, depending on the user's intentions.
"podcast is basically for anyone that wants to advance in their career whether you're an IC or a CEO and I'm really excited to bring it to you if you enjoy this podcast don't forget to subscribe and fo..."
Pfeffer highlights the importance of power skills for individuals from underrepresented backgrounds. He discusses his upcoming talk with NFL professionals of color, emphasizing that understanding power dynamics is crucial for their success in a competitive environment. He argues that without these skills, they may struggle to overcome systemic barriers.
"your power in life and in business let me just start by asking why does this stuff make people uncomfortable and why is it still important for people to learn how to do this well well it's important b..."
Pfeffer explains the necessity of being open-minded in his class, 'The Paths to Power.' He notes that students who come with a judgmental attitude may hinder their learning experience. He stresses that to benefit from the course, students must be willing to engage with the material and suspend their biases.
"uncomfortable maybe I should ask you the question why does it make you uncomfortable there's a lot of things here that are probably not uh how people want to want to live their life necessarily or wan..."
In this segment, Pfeffer shares testimonials from former students who have found success after taking his course. He emphasizes the course's realistic approach to business and life, which prepares students for real-world challenges. Pfeffer expresses his goal of making a positive impact on students' careers.
"the world ought to be um they bear a little resemblance you know to to our aspirations and I think we look around the world and we see people who have acquired enormous amounts of power and I've used ..."
Pfeffer outlines the seven rules of power from his book, emphasizing their importance in building influence. He provides a brief overview of each rule, setting the stage for a deeper discussion on how these principles can be applied in various contexts.
"confused the tool for how it has been used you also have this quote that the people who need to understand power and build their power skill are people come from backgrounds or characteristics who wou..."
Pfeffer discusses the 'Doing Power' homework assignment given to students in his class. He explains that students must apply the principles they learn in real-life situations to reinforce their understanding and ensure the lessons stick. This practical approach is designed to bridge the gap between theory and practice.
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In this segment, Pfeffer shares a compelling success story from a student who applied the principles of power in a significant way. He recounts how a former student leveraged his homework assignment to secure a high-profile position in a presidential campaign, illustrating the real-world impact of the course.
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Jeffrey Pfeffer emphasizes the necessity of applying learned principles in real-world scenarios to ensure retention and effectiveness. He draws a parallel between learning a language and the need for practice, highlighting that without practical application, knowledge fades away. This segment underscores the significance of experiential learning in his course.
"assignments but their big thing for the class is they have to do power they have to do something during the quarter to take the principles of the class and what they're learning and put them into prac..."
Pfeffer shares an inspiring success story about Derek Khan, a student who leveraged his 'doing power' project to secure a significant role in Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. Despite turning down the offer, Khan's journey led him to influential positions, including deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget, showcasing the transformative potential of applying classroom principles.
"I try to get them uh to do something with it while we're in this tangent because I wanted to talk about this whole you have a book The doing knowing Gap Gap y The Knowing doing Gap so let's just spend..."
In this segment, Pfeffer discusses the critical role of personal branding in career advancement. He explains that to be promoted, individuals must differentiate themselves and ensure they are known for their skills and contributions. The conversation highlights the discomfort many feel about self-promotion and the necessity of overcoming it to achieve success.
"relatively soon thereafter as number three in the transportation department working for a lane child and I have a picture of him when he comes to the class I introduce him I tell students I give them ..."
Pfeffer elaborates on the hierarchical nature of the professional world and the importance of positioning oneself for advancement. He stresses that fewer positions exist at the top, making it essential for individuals to actively work on their visibility and reputation to be considered for promotions.
"where people start to feel uncomfortable they're going to be like oh no I don't want to be doing this why this doesn't feel good to be so let's let's talk about it okay let's see so talk about this po..."
This segment focuses on the necessity of being known in professional settings. Pfeffer argues that no one will promote you if they are unaware of your capabilities. He emphasizes the importance of building a personal brand that showcases your skills and contributions to ensure you are recognized and considered for advancement.
"to figure out how to get promoted there are many ways to get promoted but I will guarantee you one thing no one is going to promote Lenny if they don't know who the hell you are so it is it is not suf..."
Pfeffer shares strategies for standing out in competitive environments. He provides examples of individuals who have successfully differentiated themselves through unique contributions and initiatives, emphasizing that proactive efforts to create visibility are crucial for career advancement.
"therefore you have to do something to differentiate yourself you have to build a brand so when I think of Lenny in your podcast I think of something you know not just you know 25 billion podcasts you ..."
In this segment, Pfeffer discusses the importance of asking for help as a means of breaking conventional wisdom that promotes self-sufficiency. He shares personal anecdotes and research findings that illustrate how asking for assistance can lead to greater opportunities and success.
"or two% to 30% he was appointed though he left before he actually took the job to the position of partner and the first Chief markeet marketing officer at deoe I have another friend Tristan Walker who..."
Pfeffer highlights Jason Kalkanis as an example of someone who consistently breaks industry norms to achieve success. He discusses Kalkanis's unconventional approach to venture capital, including making numerous small bets and operating without partners, showcasing how rule-breaking can lead to significant advantages.
"benign put that way when people hear I need to build a personal brand it sounds like I need to post on LinkedIn I need to post on Twitter start a newsletter start a podcast which I know is a kind of a..."
Pfeffer emphasizes the importance of prioritizing competence over the desire to be liked in professional settings. He argues that focusing on delivering results and fulfilling job responsibilities is more crucial than seeking approval, as this mindset can hinder one's career progression.
"for Greylock I don't work for any of these very visible large you know VC firms so if I am going to get deals in the consumer space that's her domain of expertise is consumer and consumer Tech somebod..."
In this segment, Pfeffer discusses how to reframe self-promotion as a means of amplifying team impact rather than self-serving behavior. He encourages individuals to view sharing their knowledge and achievements as a way to enhance their team's success, thus reducing the discomfort associated with self-promotion.
"she did everything she could so that people would recognize and know laa child and one of the things she did was she's tall in general Asian women are not tall she decided to play up the fact that she..."
Pfeffer addresses the issue of imposter syndrome and its impact on individuals' professional lives. He provides insights on how to combat feelings of inadequacy and encourages individuals to recognize their qualifications and contributions, fostering a more empowered mindset.
"obviously there's substance if you have visibility without substance people will know you're like useless but if you have substance without visibility no one will know the substance that you got you a..."
In this segment, Pfeffer discusses the detrimental effects of seeking approval on one's career. He argues that worrying excessively about being liked can limit one's effectiveness and power, urging individuals to focus on competence and respect instead.
"let's move on to a different Power let's talk about power one which is getting out of your own way talk about what that means and how someone can work on that well you already have done a fabulous job..."
Pfeffer emphasizes that leadership roles are assigned based on competence rather than personality traits. He argues that individuals must leverage their skills to fulfill their roles effectively, reinforcing the idea that performance should take precedence over personal likability.
"called in the psychology literature impostor syndrome they believe that they were the admissions mistake at Stanford they were the hiring mistake at whatever company they're working for that somehow t..."
In this segment, Pfeffer reiterates the importance of prioritizing results and effectiveness in professional roles. He encourages individuals to focus on delivering value rather than worrying about personal relationships, reinforcing the idea that competence is key to success.
"pardon me for interrupting pardon me for you know taking up your time pardon you know the stop all this apologizing if you got the job you're in you will probably are not only qualified you're probabl..."
Pfeffer discusses the balance between being effective and being liked in professional settings. He emphasizes that while it's important to maintain positive relationships, the primary focus should be on achieving results and fulfilling job responsibilities.
"who's now the founder that I read some quotes from she said her number one takeway from your classes if you want to be liked get a dog that's correct that that is a quote from my dear friend Gary lova..."
Pfeffer shares a personal anecdote about choosing healthcare professionals based on their competence rather than their personalities. He illustrates that in critical situations, such as medical care, the focus should be on skills and effectiveness rather than personal traits.
"Bob Sutton's book The no Rule and gratuitously be an but you are hired to do to get a job done you know it's interesting I unfortunately am now too old in the words of my chiropractor I'm suffering fr..."
In this segment, Pfeffer emphasizes that individuals are appointed to roles based on their skills and abilities. He encourages professionals to leverage their expertise to drive success and fulfill their responsibilities, reinforcing the idea that competence is paramount.
"extreme example but it makes the point when you are put in a role you are put in a role because presumably you are supposed to perform in that role if you if you get appointed to be a head coach if yo..."
Pfeffer concludes by reiterating that leaders are chosen for their ability to perform and deliver results. He stresses that focusing on competence and effectiveness is essential for success in any role, particularly in leadership positions.
"do so in simple way of thinking about this which makes me feel better about like as we talk through this I'm becoming less uncomfortable with these which is a good sign it's don't actively try to be d..."
Jeffrey Pfeffer discusses the importance of asking for help and how it often makes people uncomfortable. He shares a personal anecdote about his marriage, emphasizing that asking is crucial for achieving goals. He argues that the worst outcome of asking is simply a 'no,' which leaves you in the same position as before, highlighting the necessity of overcoming ego to seek assistance.
"Vanessa Lake titled if you need help just ask and it turns out people overestimate how many people they're going to have to ask to get help and it turns out asking for help makes people uncomfortable ..."
Pfeffer shares the story of Jason Calacanis, a venture capitalist known for breaking conventional rules in the industry. He explains how Calacanis makes numerous small bets rather than a few large ones and operates without partners, which gives him unique power and flexibility. This segment illustrates how unconventional approaches can lead to significant success in business.
"over your ego and ask is there another example that comes to mind of someone breaking the rules say in business that ended up being really successful as a result or just someone that is really good at..."
In this segment, Pfeffer emphasizes the importance of networking as a means to acquire knowledge and power. He discusses how networking should be approached with a mindset of generosity, focusing on how to help others. By expanding one's social network, individuals can gain access to valuable information and opportunities that can enhance their careers.
"talk about another power power five networking relentlessly what does that look like and how do you get better at this well I think there's research that shows that many people find networking dirty a..."
Pfeffer recounts the story of Omid Kordestani, who leveraged networking to become a key figure at Google. He illustrates how Kordestani prioritized building relationships over traditional job responsibilities, leading to his eventual success. This example underscores the transformative power of networking in achieving career milestones.
"power of course I have a funny story about NW working so we have a thing at Sanford called view from the top in which these fancy people come in and give a talk and one of the people came in and give ..."
Pfeffer offers practical advice on how to make networking feel more authentic and less uncomfortable. He suggests creating a list of influential people to connect with and finding creative ways to meet them, such as hosting dinners. This segment encourages a mindset shift towards viewing networking as a valuable opportunity for mutual benefit rather than a transactional interaction.
"in marketing and Business Development I was not making any progress so one day I decided to take your class to an extreme I decided to stop doing my job so I said when when people gave you projects to..."
In this segment, Pfeffer explains the concept of becoming a broker in networking, where individuals connect others for mutual benefit. He highlights the roles of venture capitalists, investment bankers, and real estate agents as examples of professional connectors. This discussion emphasizes the value of building a network that facilitates opportunities for others, enhancing one's own influence in the process.
"they say we're going to do this very analytically we are basically going to ask everybody we can think of and a few people we can't give us a list of the best technically oriented business people that..."
Pfeffer discusses the concept of 'weak ties' in networking, explaining how connections with less familiar individuals can provide access to new information and opportunities. He references research that shows job seekers often find better opportunities through referrals from acquaintances rather than close friends. This segment highlights the strategic importance of diversifying one's network.
"event maybe maybe you want to do what John leevy does which is hold dinners and which by the way the guests do the cooking which is a very interesting idea that of course Taps into the Ikea effect you..."
Pfeffer explores the idea that exercising power can lead to greater power. He discusses how successful individuals attract more opportunities and resources as they demonstrate their ability to get things done. This segment emphasizes the self-perpetuating nature of power and the importance of mobilizing resources effectively to achieve success.
"specialty is so they benefit so this is not this is not some icky thing this is connecting people who benefit from being connected that touches on something you teach in the book is in your networking..."
Jeffrey Pfeffer discusses how using your power effectively can lead to more power. He explains that mobilizing resources and achieving results creates a self-perpetuating cycle where success attracts more opportunities and resources. This segment highlights the importance of overcoming self-doubt and taking action to harness one's authority.
"let's talk about another Power which is using your power so when some people think of using your power builds more power I would that's not intuitive you talk about how it creates this like self-perpe..."
In this segment, Pfeffer draws parallels between human behavior and animal instincts, referencing the book 'Chimpanzee Politics.' He explains how people are naturally attracted to power and how this dynamic plays out in various contexts, including politics. This insight is crucial for understanding the social dynamics of influence and authority.
"you're able to do the more you'll be asked to do but better yet the more resources you'll be given to help you get things done and I think there's interestingly you teach that just showing that you ha..."
Jeffrey Pfeffer emphasizes the significance of body language in projecting power. He discusses research indicating that appearance and non-verbal cues often outweigh spoken content in communication. This segment provides practical advice on how to present oneself powerfully, including maintaining eye contact and using open body posture.
"along the same lines of the area we're just talking about and one of another rule of power is to show up in a powerful fashion so look powerful talk about what that looks like so my colleague at Berke..."
Pfeffer shares insights on how powerful presence can be cultivated through learned skills rather than inherent traits. He uses examples from notable figures like Steve Jobs to illustrate how effective presentation and body language can enhance one's influence. This segment reinforces the idea that power can be developed through practice and coaching.
"themselves in my class I take the example of Tony Hayward of BP the Monda oil spill and Lloyd blank fine who was accused of shorting the Securities that he was selling which by the way Goldman did and..."
In this segment, Pfeffer provides actionable tips for enhancing one's powerful presence, such as making eye contact, avoiding reading from notes, and using gestures. He discusses how these techniques can influence perceptions of authority and effectiveness, making them essential for anyone looking to increase their influence in professional settings.
"networking showing up all these things these are skills that can be learned I have a list of some of the stuff actually recommend for uh looking and appearing powerful so I'll read a few and I'm curio..."
Pfeffer explores the connection between humor and power, referencing a quote from Salman Rushdie about the persuasive power of laughter. He discusses how humor can disarm audiences and enhance one's ability to communicate effectively. This segment highlights the nuanced ways in which interpersonal dynamics can be influenced.
"made him more powerful it's interesting Jack Lenny was 5 foot2 inches tall and he came talked to my class and the next class I said to people what are your reactions what are your thoughts and a woman..."
Pfeffer addresses the common resistance individuals face when learning about power dynamics. He outlines a process of moving from denial to acceptance regarding the use of power, emphasizing the importance of practice and coaching. This segment is crucial for understanding how to navigate personal discomfort with power and influence.
"don't necessarily judge people do some of these things maybe because it'll add to your power how do you think about just people that are like turned off by this sort of thing it's a wonderful question..."
In this segment, Pfeffer discusses the importance of gradually pushing oneself beyond comfort zones to develop power skills. He compares this process to physical training, emphasizing that small, consistent efforts lead to significant growth. This approach is vital for anyone looking to enhance their influence and effectiveness.
"you know if you've never I had a dinner the other night this Israeli woman who's like I've done amazing stuff amazing it's just fabulous and she said at the dinner she said I would have never done thi..."
Pfeffer outlines the importance of goal setting in his class, encouraging students to define what success looks like for them. He discusses various assignments aimed at helping students assess their strengths and weaknesses in power dynamics. This segment underscores the structured approach to personal development in the context of influence.
"conceive doing it push yourself a little push yourself a little there's a interesting connection here to what some say is kind of the opposite of your class at Stanford which is touchy feely we had Ca..."
In this segment, Pfeffer encourages students to think creatively about leveraging their resources during their time at Stanford. He shares examples of innovative projects initiated by students, illustrating how taking initiative can create significant opportunities for influence and impact. This advice is essential for aspiring leaders.
"together second assignment I give them a reading from the power book which is the book before seven rules which talks about the seven attributes of power go out and get people to rate you on these or ..."
Pfeffer discusses various homework assignments designed to help students practice their power skills. He emphasizes the importance of feedback and real-world application in developing influence. This segment provides a practical framework for anyone looking to enhance their networking and personal branding efforts.
"assignment the networking is a fourth assignment the acting with power I show them the videos and I tell in advance of the class and I tell them they need to become Tony Hayward they need to do a bett..."
In this thought-provoking segment, Pfeffer introduces Rule Seven of his power principles: once you acquire power, people tend to forget how you got there. He discusses societal perceptions of power and the pragmatic realities of maintaining influence, using examples from politics and business to illustrate his points.
"that I did on every other class I took combined I can see why let's talk about the last power so we've talked the through six already we have only one more to go which is maybe the one that probably u..."
Pfeffer explores the pragmatic aspects of power, discussing how individuals often overlook the flaws of powerful figures to remain close to them. He uses historical examples, including Bill Gates and Martha Stewart, to illustrate how power dynamics operate in real life, emphasizing that this is simply how the world functions.
"power and that therefore it is all forgotten and forgiven and I begin I believe I begin but if not I could begin with the story of the South Carolina senator who says nasty things about Trump and that..."
Pfeffer shares a compelling story about Laura Esman, a student who challenged the norms of power dynamics in medicine. He recounts her journey and the feedback she received in class, illustrating how understanding and applying power can lead to significant changes in one's field, particularly in healthcare.
"him so this is this is the pragmatics you know people forget that Bill Gates stole the code on which Microsoft is built people forget that Jeffrey Epstein after being convicted of sex offenses was sti..."
In this segment, Pfeffer discusses the necessity of power in effecting change within the medical field. He highlights Esman's efforts to tailor cancer screening processes and the resistance she faced, reinforcing the idea that real change requires the application of power and influence.
"million it turns out $700 million makes you a big deal lives in the biggest house in Los Angeles or one of the biggest houses in Los Angeles I can't keep up with the construction of the big houses peo..."
Pfeffer reflects on the importance of influence in achieving goals, sharing anecdotes about how powerful individuals navigate relationships and leverage their connections. He emphasizes that to create meaningful change, one must engage with and influence others effectively.
"story in 1993 a woman named Laura esman who's a doctor took my class she claims publicly that this is the only class at Stanford for which she did all the reading by the way while she was taking getti..."
In a candid discussion, Pfeffer reveals his personal choice of autonomy over power. He shares insights from his career, illustrating the trade-offs between holding a powerful position and maintaining personal freedom, emphasizing the value of controlling one's own time and decisions.
"two of my closest friends in the world and I go out to lunch afterwards and smoke is coming out of her ears and she is pissed off and this is a very accomplished woman and a very smart woman and she's..."
Pfeffer concludes with a powerful message about the necessity of using power for good. He reiterates that to drive change in any field, including medicine, one must embrace the dynamics of power and influence, encouraging listeners to consider how they can apply these principles in their own lives.
"mean and and she you know so I said to basically I said to Laura I said you want to make profound changes in the drug development process you want to make profound changes in whether or not we learn f..."
In this final segment, Pfeffer summarizes the seven rules of power, providing a concise overview of each principle. He reflects on the importance of understanding these rules in the context of personal and professional growth, encouraging listeners to apply them thoughtfully in their pursuit of influence.
"interests she has a whole thing which we need not go into because it's pretty technical on screening you know she said everybody's getting a mamogram every year at beyond the certain age which is stup..."
Jeffrey Pfeffer discusses the trade-off between power and autonomy, referencing his late colleague James G. March. He emphasizes that while many strive for power, it often comes at the cost of personal freedom and control over one's life. Pfeffer shares a poignant story about a dean's struggle to balance professional responsibilities with personal tragedy, illustrating the sacrifices that come with high positions.
"most powerful man in the world Ah that's a very good question to which I have a very good answer yes I have a colleague who's unfortunately now deceased by the name of James G March who was a very ver..."
In this segment, Pfeffer elaborates on the visibility and scrutiny that accompany positions of power. He highlights the lack of privacy and the constant public examination faced by leaders, using examples from politics and academia. This discussion underscores the hidden costs of leadership and the personal toll it can take on individuals and their families.
"to do when I wanted Jack Valen to come to my class I did not call Jack fenni I called Judy Dicky Judy Dicky was his assistant Judy Dicky controlled his schedule I need Jack on such and such a day he c..."
Pfeffer reflects on the societal obsession with power and the consequences it brings. He mentions the emotional and relational costs that leaders and their families endure, including high rates of divorce and mental health struggles. This segment serves as a cautionary tale about the pursuit of power and its impact on personal lives.
"is much more important to me being a Dean or an associate Dean a job that I was asked to do I took one academic administrative job I'm actually memorialized believe it or not in the Stanford record as..."
In this part, Pfeffer discusses how he addresses the complexities of power in his class. He shares anecdotes from guest speakers who reveal the personal challenges faced by those in powerful positions. This segment emphasizes the importance of understanding the broader implications of power beyond mere ambition.
"like I I was trying to get saan Adell on the podcast and I talk to his comps people and they're like his every hour for the next three months is booked already we know what he's doing he's extremely b..."
Pfeffer advises listeners on the importance of seeking help and support when navigating the uncomfortable aspects of acquiring power. He suggests finding coaches and building a personal board of directors to provide guidance and accountability. This segment highlights the value of collaboration and social support in personal and professional development.
"the question will be are people praising you are people associating with you because of you or because of the position you hold yeah do you spend any time just to follow this threat in your class conv..."
In the concluding segment, Pfeffer reflects on his long career in education and the importance of practical application in learning. He encourages listeners to actively engage with the material rather than just consuming information. This segment serves as a motivational call to action for individuals to take charge of their learning and growth.
"I would tell people to do it is hard to do anything on your own if I said to you Lenny I want you to start an extraordinarily successful podcast and I want you to do it without any help you would not ..."