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Investing in Marketplaces with Sarah Tavel and Nabeel Hyatt

Investing in Marketplaces with Sarah Tavel and Nabeel Hyatt

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Sarah Tavel (@sarahtavel), partner at Benchmark, and Nabeel Hyatt (@nabeel), partner at Spark Capital, join Erik on this episode. They discuss: - Why they love investing in marketplaces and the evolution of marketplaces over the last decade. - Why the wave of Uber For X startups didn’t take off. - How they evaluate marketplaces, and why founders get confused about “which race they’re running” when creating a marketplace startup. - Where they’re excited about seeing more marketplaces and which spaces they advise founders to avoid. - The impact of SoftBank and their analysis of the current crop of public marketplace companies. - Common mistakes they see founders making in marketplace startups. Thanks for listening — if you like what you hear, please review us on your favorite podcast platform. Check us out on the web at villageglobal.vc or get in touch with us on Twitter @villageglobal. Venture Stories is brought to you by Village Global, is hosted by co-founder and partner, Erik Torenberg and is produced by Brett Bolkowy.

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0:00 - 0:29
0:29 duration65 words

Introduction to Marketplaces

In this opening segment, Erik Torenberg introduces Sarah Tavel and Nabeel Hyatt, partners at Benchmark and Spark Capital, respectively. They set the stage for a discussion on the evolution and investment opportunities in marketplaces, highlighting their excitement for the topic.

"hey everybody it's Eric torberg co-founder partner of Village Global a network driven Venture firm and this is vure stories a podcast covering topics relating to Tech and business with World leading e..."

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0:00 - 0:29
0:29 duration65 words

Introduction to Marketplaces

In this segment, Erik introduces Sarah Tavel and Nabeel Hyatt, partners at Benchmark and Spark Capital, respectively. They set the stage for a deep dive into the world of marketplaces, highlighting their excitement and personal histories with this evolving sector.

"hey everybody it's Eric torberg co-founder partner of Village Global a network driven Venture firm and this is vure stories a podcast covering topics relating to Tech and business with World leading e..."

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0:29 - 1:39
1:09 duration238 words

The Evolution of Marketplaces

Sarah Tavel discusses the evolution of marketplaces, referencing a famous post by Andrew Parker about the unbundling of Craigslist. She shares insights on how marketplaces have changed over the years, mentioning notable companies like Etsy and Airbnb, and her personal involvement in various marketplace ventures.

"podcast thanks as always good to be here so we're here to talk about marketplaces why don't we start with a brief background on your personal history with marketplaces why are you so excited about mar..."

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0:30 - 1:39
1:08 duration237 words

The Unbundling of Craigslist

Nabeel Hyatt shares insights on the historical context of marketplaces, referencing a famous post by Andrew Parker about the unbundling of Craigslist. He discusses early marketplace examples like Etsy and Airbnb, illustrating the evolution of the marketplace landscape over the years.

"thanks as always good to be here so we're here to talk about marketplaces why don't we start with a brief background on your personal history with marketplaces why are you so excited about marketplace..."

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1:39 - 2:48
1:08 duration233 words

Network Effects and Marketplaces

Nabeel Hyatt reflects on his experiences with network effects in social networks and how they relate to marketplaces. He emphasizes the importance of transactional businesses and the unique challenges they present, particularly in creating successful consumer marketplaces.

"in it um and and love the space awesome yeah I mean I think I've always been a student of network effects and when I was you know at besser a lot of the network effects that we focused on and invested..."

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1:39 - 2:51
1:12 duration245 words

Network Effects and Marketplaces

Sarah Tavel reflects on her experiences with network effects in various platforms, including Pinterest. She emphasizes the importance of combining transactional businesses with network effects to create successful marketplaces, drawing from her background in investing.

"in it um and and love the space awesome yeah I mean I think I've always been a student of network effects and when I was you know at besser a lot of the network effects that we focused on and invested..."

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2:51 - 4:43
1:52 duration409 words

Evolution of Marketplaces Over the Decade

The conversation shifts to the evolution of marketplaces over the last decade. Nabeel discusses the transition from lead generation businesses to two-way marketplaces, highlighting the complexities and revenue potential of modern marketplace models.

"has quite the the history uh with marketplaces you know eBay being really the first kind of consumer Marketplace uh and one of the early Investments that that Benchmark made not to mention you know Ub..."

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2:48 - 4:43
1:55 duration420 words

Decade of Marketplace Evolution

The conversation shifts to the last decade of marketplace evolution, with Nabeel discussing the transition from lead generation businesses to two-way marketplaces. They explore the complexities of managing these businesses and the importance of understanding customer economics.

"marketplace and so when I joined Benchmark you know obviously Benchmark has quite the the history uh with marketplaces you know eBay being really the first kind of consumer Marketplace uh and one of t..."

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4:43 - 6:47
2:03 duration423 words

The Role of Founders in Marketplaces

Sarah and Nabeel discuss the significance of founders in identifying market opportunities. They highlight how unique experiences can lead to successful marketplace ventures, using examples like HipCamp to illustrate the importance of founder insight in capitalizing on emerging trends.

"the right kind of net profit profiles yeah I mean just to build on that like one one thing I've been thinking about a lot is that you know it it felt like the first wave of a lot of startups that um t..."

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4:43 - 6:47
2:03 duration423 words

The Role of Founders in Marketplaces

Sarah and Nabeel explore the significance of founders in identifying market opportunities. They discuss how unique experiences can lead to successful marketplace ventures, using examples like HipCamp to illustrate the importance of founder insights in capitalizing on emerging trends.

"the right kind of net profit profiles yeah I mean just to build on that like one one thing I've been thinking about a lot is that you know it it felt like the first wave of a lot of startups that um t..."

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6:47 - 8:40
1:53 duration383 words

Why Uber for X Failed

Nabeel reflects on the challenges faced by the 'Uber for X' startups, explaining that many missed the crucial element of creating a cost-effective solution. He emphasizes the need for high-frequency usage and variable demand to build successful marketplace businesses.

"yet yeah is that sort of uh represent sort of a shift from horizontal to more vertical marketplaces I definitely I I think we're seeing a lot of that I also think you know I I don't know about you I s..."

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6:47 - 8:40
1:53 duration383 words

Why Uber for X Didn't Succeed

Nabeel shares insights on the challenges faced by 'Uber for X' startups, explaining that many failed to replicate Uber's success due to a lack of understanding of cost structures and market demand. He emphasizes the need for high-frequency usage to create sustainable marketplace businesses.

"yet yeah is that sort of uh represent sort of a shift from horizontal to more vertical marketplaces I definitely I I think we're seeing a lot of that I also think you know I I don't know about you I s..."

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8:40 - 10:55
2:14 duration515 words

Key Metrics for Marketplace Success

The discussion turns to the key performance indicators (KPIs) that define successful marketplaces. Nabeel and Sarah emphasize the importance of improving product experiences and ensuring that marketplaces provide real value to both sides of the transaction.

"people missed at the time was that it wasn't what was magical about Uber was not just they create a 10x better product but that they use technology to recast cost structures and provide that better pr..."

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8:40 - 10:55
2:14 duration515 words

Key Metrics for Marketplace Success

The discussion turns to the key performance indicators (KPIs) that define successful marketplaces. Nabeel and Sarah highlight the importance of understanding the product experience and the necessity of building liquidity rather than just focusing on growth.

"people missed at the time was that it wasn't what was magical about Uber was not just they create a 10x better product but that they use technology to recast cost structures and provide that better pr..."

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10:55 - 12:30
1:34 duration332 words

Confusing Growth with Liquidity

Sarah warns against the common mistake entrepreneurs make by prioritizing growth over building liquidity in marketplaces. She emphasizes the need for a balanced approach to ensure long-term sustainability and success in the marketplace landscape.

"yeah so um you talked about frequencies say more guys about what you uh what makes great Marketplace Great Marketplace business what are the kpis that you evaluate or when you sort of you know evaluat..."

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10:55 - 12:33
1:38 duration354 words

Understanding Marketplace Dynamics

In this segment, Sarah highlights common mistakes made by entrepreneurs in the marketplace space, particularly the confusion between growth and liquidity. They discuss the critical need for marketplaces to focus on building liquidity rather than just scaling quickly.

"yeah so um you talked about frequencies say more guys about what you uh what makes great Marketplace Great Marketplace business what are the kpis that you evaluate or when you sort of you know evaluat..."

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12:45 - 14:11
1:25 duration296 words

The Conviction Behind HipCamp

Hyatt shares his journey of investing in HipCamp, detailing the initial skepticism he had and how he later recognized the potential for growth in supply and demand dynamics. He highlights the founder's vision and the unique market opportunity that HipCamp represents.

"is describe to me like you know who is the person that's transacting right now that's getting the most value out of your out of your marketplace right now and really trying to understand what that loo..."

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11:58 - 13:27
1:28 duration276 words

Understanding the 'Red Hot Center'

The conversation shifts to the concept of the 'Red Hot Center' in marketplace businesses. Tavel and Hyatt explain how entrepreneurs often confuse growth with building liquidity, stressing the need to identify and cater to the most engaged users who derive the most value from the marketplace.

"so like in terms of like a look for I find myself always trying to really understand what the red hot Center is of of a Marketplace and you know I think one of the things that I see a lot of entrepren..."

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13:27 - 14:42
1:15 duration280 words

Conviction in Underrated Marketplaces

Hyatt shares his journey of gaining conviction in HipCamp, a marketplace that many underestimated. He discusses the dynamics of supply and demand within the platform, illustrating how unlocking supply can lead to increased demand and the importance of visionary founders.

"Center uh and and being less oriented towards the kind of bigger picture numbers so how did you get the conviction on on hip Camp I'm curious because it doesn't seem like you know Uber is a thing that..."

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14:11 - 15:03
0:52 duration188 words

Unlocking Supply in Marketplaces

This segment focuses on the dynamics of unlocking supply in marketplaces. Hyatt discusses how HipCamp's founder successfully attracted landowners and how this strategy led to increased demand, showcasing the interconnectedness of supply and demand in marketplace growth.

"that you know in particular in areas where it's so easy for competitors to come in uh to find like something that other people easily Overlook and and by the way I made the mistake I met Alyssa for th..."

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14:42 - 16:46
2:03 duration430 words

The Dynamics of Marketplace Growth

In this segment, Hyatt elaborates on the growth dynamics of HipCamp, explaining how initial investments by landowners can enhance the marketplace's appeal. He highlights the importance of understanding consumer behavior and the evolving demand for outdoor experiences.

"company and then as I kind of kept in touch with Alyssa and and you know we would talk product every once in a while uh I started to realize a few things which is one that she had figured out how to u..."

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15:03 - 16:48
1:44 duration361 words

The Importance of Founder Vision

Hyatt emphasizes the significance of having a strong founder vision in marketplace businesses. He discusses how a clear understanding of market trends and consumer behavior can lead to successful outcomes, using HipCamp as a prime example.

"such a strong signal in a marketplace where like there's something there's a supply base that hasn't been put online and as she did bring it online it unlocked demand like there was demand there that ..."

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16:48 - 18:14
1:26 duration309 words

Investing Ahead of Market Size

Tavel and Hyatt discuss their investment philosophy of prioritizing strong founders and innovative products over traditional market size metrics. They share insights on how this approach can lead to discovering unique marketplace opportunities.

"wrapping it like or less sensitive to The Tam calculus in the beginning cuz just believe that with the right Founders they'll keep on unlocking new opportunity yeah my my quick shout out to Alysa is t..."

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16:46 - 18:14
1:27 duration309 words

Investing Ahead of Market Size

Tavel and Hyatt discuss their investment philosophy, which often goes against conventional wisdom by prioritizing strong founders and innovative products over traditional market size metrics. They share insights on how unique marketplace dynamics can create unexpected opportunities.

"wrapping it like or less sensitive to The Tam calculus in the beginning cuz just believe that with the right Founders they'll keep on unlocking new opportunity yeah my my quick shout out to Alysa is t..."

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18:14 - 19:55
1:41 duration389 words

Emerging Marketplaces and New Behaviors

In this segment, the conversation shifts to exploring new marketplace ideas, such as those catering to homeschooling and alternative therapy. Tavel and Hyatt discuss the potential for these emerging markets and the importance of understanding consumer needs.

"some associate uh Excel spread sheeet their way into and uh and so you know on our side I think you know we're an investor in a company called Cameo which is a Marketplace between uh consumers and cel..."

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18:14 - 19:55
1:41 duration389 words

Exploring New Marketplace Behaviors

The discussion turns to emerging marketplace ideas, such as a homeschool marketplace and alternatives to traditional therapy. Tavel and Hyatt explore the potential for new behaviors to create viable marketplace opportunities, emphasizing the importance of understanding consumer needs.

"some associate uh Excel spread sheeet their way into and uh and so you know on our side I think you know we're an investor in a company called Cameo which is a Marketplace between uh consumers and cel..."

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19:55 - 21:29
1:33 duration312 words

The Red Hot Center in Education

Hyatt elaborates on the concept of the 'Red Hot Center' in the context of education and homeschooling. He discusses the acute needs of parents seeking educational resources and how addressing these needs can lead to successful marketplace ventures.

"wasn't homeschooled but I've talked to people who were and like and and I we see this all the time on Pinterest like education was a huge vertical on Pinterest and like people were always posting the ..."

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19:55 - 21:29
1:33 duration312 words

The Red Hot Center in Education

Hyatt articulates the concept of the 'Red Hot Center' in education, particularly in homeschooling. He discusses the acute needs of parents seeking educational resources and how addressing these needs can lead to broader marketplace growth.

"wasn't homeschooled but I've talked to people who were and like and and I we see this all the time on Pinterest like education was a huge vertical on Pinterest and like people were always posting the ..."

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21:29 - 23:02
1:33 duration302 words

Challenges in Childcare Marketplaces

The discussion turns to the complexities of childcare marketplaces. Tavel and Hyatt analyze why traditional models have struggled to transition into managed marketplaces and the unique challenges posed by the nature of childcare services.

"that need most acutely right Child Care is maybe another example have you looked at child care marketpl yeah that one's tough that's one's tougher and um it's tough you talk about child care because i..."

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21:29 - 23:02
1:33 duration302 words

Challenges in Childcare Marketplaces

The segment focuses on the complexities of childcare marketplaces. Tavel and Hyatt analyze why traditional models have struggled to transition into managed marketplaces, citing the unique relationship dynamics between caregivers and families as a significant challenge.

"that need most acutely right Child Care is maybe another example have you looked at child care marketpl yeah that one's tough that's one's tougher and um it's tough you talk about child care because i..."

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23:23 - 24:40
1:16 duration271 words

Evaluating Marketplace Startups

Tavel and Hyatt share insights on what they look for when evaluating marketplace startups at the seed stage. They discuss the importance of liquidity and density in marketplace dynamics, and how founders must navigate the complexities of building a successful marketplace. The conversation highlights the need for founders to understand their unique market challenges.

"Supply it's the same thing with um with dayc carees there's been a bunch of um companies that have come into the space and it's absolutely a huge there's like a huge imbalance between supply and deman..."

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23:23 - 24:40
1:16 duration271 words

Evaluating Marketplace Startups

Tavel and Hyatt share insights on what they look for when evaluating marketplace startups at the seed stage. They discuss the importance of liquidity and density in building successful marketplaces, using examples like Thumbtack and Apartment List to illustrate their points. The conversation emphasizes the need for founders to understand the unique dynamics of their marketplace.

"Supply it's the same thing with um with dayc carees there's been a bunch of um companies that have come into the space and it's absolutely a huge there's like a huge imbalance between supply and deman..."

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24:40 - 26:31
1:51 duration381 words

Learning from Marketplace Successes and Failures

The conversation shifts to notable marketplace companies like Thumbtack and Apartment List. Tavel and Hyatt reflect on their initial assessments of these businesses and the lessons learned from their growth trajectories. They emphasize the importance of understanding market dynamics and the potential pitfalls that can hinder a marketplace's success.

"now oh now you're you're digging everything up for me Eric right now so I I looked at the seed or the a for thumb teac yeah 50 VC's pass on thumb te at the a so Marco is fantastic I actually I joke th..."

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24:40 - 26:29
1:49 duration373 words

The Role of Founders in Marketplace Success

The conversation shifts to the critical role of founders in marketplace businesses. Tavel and Hyatt stress the importance of founders being aware of their business's weaknesses and challenges. They discuss how honest communication about these issues can lead to better investment opportunities and successful scaling of marketplace startups.

"now oh now you're you're digging everything up for me Eric right now so I I looked at the seed or the a for thumb teac yeah 50 VC's pass on thumb te at the a so Marco is fantastic I actually I joke th..."

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26:29 - 28:01
1:32 duration326 words

Diverse Marketplace Models

Tavel and Hyatt explore the various models of marketplaces, highlighting that there is no one-size-fits-all approach. They discuss examples like OpenTable and Tinder, emphasizing the need for founders to adopt a systems-level thinking to address the unique challenges of their specific marketplace. The conversation underscores the complexity of building successful marketplaces.

"founder is actually uh the right person to do that the red flag would actually be a Founder conversation at the seed where they're not uncovering the grizzly horrible things about their business becau..."

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26:31 - 28:01
1:30 duration319 words

The Role of Founders in Marketplace Success

Tavel and Hyatt discuss the critical role of founders in navigating the challenges of marketplace businesses. They emphasize the need for founders to have a deep understanding of their market and to be transparent about their business challenges. The conversation highlights how effective communication with investors can lead to better support and guidance.

"to do that the red flag would actually be a Founder conversation at the seed where they're not uncovering the grizzly horrible things about their business because we all know that an early stage compa..."

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28:01 - 29:30
1:28 duration314 words

Emerging Opportunities in Marketplaces

The discussion explores emerging sectors within the marketplace landscape, particularly the potential for unbundling LinkedIn and creating niche labor marketplaces. Tavel and Hyatt express excitement about new opportunities in various verticals and the importance of innovative approaches to traditional marketplace models.

"always what I'm looking for is the founder that approaches building a marketplace with the systems level thinking and the cleverness that you need in order to solve two problems at the same time with ..."

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28:01 - 29:30
1:28 duration314 words

Emerging Opportunities in Marketplaces

The discussion turns to emerging opportunities within the marketplace sector. Tavel expresses excitement about companies unbundling LinkedIn and exploring new verticals. They discuss the potential for innovation in labor marketplaces and the importance of addressing specific needs within various industries.

"always what I'm looking for is the founder that approaches building a marketplace with the systems level thinking and the cleverness that you need in order to solve two problems at the same time with ..."

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29:30 - 33:40
4:10 duration847 words

Caution in Lending Marketplaces

Tavel and Hyatt conclude with a cautionary note on lending-related marketplaces. They discuss the inherent risks and volatility associated with lending businesses, emphasizing the importance of understanding credit cycles. The conversation highlights the challenges of maintaining stability in lending marketplaces and the potential pitfalls for investors.

"dig dig around for and am excited by is companies that are unbundling LinkedIn in some way and and and approaching it in a different are there a different kind of Dimension or a different vertical wit..."

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29:30 - 33:40
4:10 duration847 words

Caution in Lending Marketplaces

Tavel and Hyatt share their reservations about investing in lending-related marketplaces. They discuss the inherent risks associated with lending businesses, including the cyclical nature of credit markets. The conversation underscores the need for caution and a thorough understanding of market dynamics when considering investments in this space.

"dig dig around for and am excited by is companies that are unbundling LinkedIn in some way and and and approaching it in a different are there a different kind of Dimension or a different vertical wit..."

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34:02 - 35:00
0:57 duration236 words

Navigating Healthcare Marketplaces

The discussion shifts to the complexities of healthcare marketplaces. Hyatt points out the regulatory challenges and the need for innovative solutions that genuinely address consumer needs, while also cautioning against entering the market without a clear strategy to navigate regulations.

"other area by the way I just healthc care has been so hard the problem that we've had looking at healthcare for quite some time is that it feels like first of all it's highly regulated industry we hav..."

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34:02 - 35:00
0:57 duration236 words

Navigating Healthcare Marketplaces

The conversation shifts to the complexities of healthcare marketplaces. Hyatt explains the regulatory challenges and the need for innovative solutions that genuinely address consumer problems, while also cautioning against entering regulated markets without a clear strategy.

"other area by the way I just healthc care has been so hard the problem that we've had looking at healthcare for quite some time is that it feels like first of all it's highly regulated industry we hav..."

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35:00 - 36:49
1:48 duration358 words

The Need for Disruption in Healthcare

Hyatt and Tavel discuss the pressing need for disruption in the healthcare industry, acknowledging the difficulties faced by startups in this space. They highlight the potential for innovative solutions but stress the importance of addressing the underlying issues affecting average consumers.

"that's exactly right like there's the bar gets a lot higher in an industry where like lives are at stake in that way and so it's it's sort of like there was a a cast of startups that went after um kin..."

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35:00 - 36:49
1:48 duration358 words

The Need for Disruption in Healthcare

Hyatt and Tavel discuss the pressing need for disruption in the healthcare industry, acknowledging the difficulties faced by startups in this space. They highlight the potential for innovative solutions but stress the importance of addressing the underlying problems rather than just catering to affluent consumers.

"that's exactly right like there's the bar gets a lot higher in an industry where like lives are at stake in that way and so it's it's sort of like there was a a cast of startups that went after um kin..."

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36:49 - 38:06
1:17 duration277 words

Regulatory Challenges in Healthcare Innovation

The conversation delves into how government regulations can stifle innovation in healthcare. Hyatt explains that while regulations aim to create fairness, they often favor incumbents and hinder new entrants from disrupting the market, making it difficult for startups to thrive.

"hard so far do you have a sense and maybe this is the wrong way to think about what like the iPhone moment in healthcare could be or what what is sort of the moment where all these sorts of you know g..."

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36:49 - 38:06
1:17 duration277 words

Regulatory Challenges in Innovation

Hyatt elaborates on how government regulation can hinder innovation in healthcare. He points out that while regulation aims to create fairness, it often favors incumbents and stifles new entrants, making it difficult for startups to disrupt the market.

"hard so far do you have a sense and maybe this is the wrong way to think about what like the iPhone moment in healthcare could be or what what is sort of the moment where all these sorts of you know g..."

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38:06 - 39:02
0:55 duration209 words

The Shift to Online Grocery Shopping

Hyatt discusses the trend of traditional retailers moving online to compete with e-commerce giants like Amazon. He highlights the importance of adapting to consumer behavior and the potential for online grocery services to thrive without physical locations.

"and I think that's where we are in healthcare you know when you have Medicare pricing being set by the government and therefore like that flows into the entire rest of the business and so many of the ..."

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38:06 - 39:02
0:55 duration209 words

The Shift to Online Grocery Shopping

The discussion transitions to the evolving landscape of grocery shopping, with Hyatt explaining how companies must adapt to consumer preferences. He highlights the success of online grocery services like Good Eggs and the importance of meeting customers where they are.

"and I think that's where we are in healthcare you know when you have Medicare pricing being set by the government and therefore like that flows into the entire rest of the business and so many of the ..."

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39:02 - 41:04
2:02 duration427 words

Customer Acquisition in a Saturated Market

The segment focuses on the challenges of customer acquisition in today's market, where traditional channels have become saturated. Hyatt emphasizes the need for businesses to innovate in their approach to reach consumers effectively, particularly in the absence of new acquisition channels.

"and so you need to have a solution for them when they're sitting there at their computers and and create a great experience I think what Amazon going from online to offline in the Whole Foods example ..."

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39:02 - 41:04
2:02 duration427 words

Customer Acquisition in a Saturated Market

Hyatt addresses the challenges of customer acquisition in today's market, noting the lack of new channels for reaching consumers. He emphasizes the need for businesses to explore all avenues, including online influencers, to find and engage their target audience.

"and so you need to have a solution for them when they're sitting there at their computers and and create a great experience I think what Amazon going from online to offline in the Whole Foods example ..."

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41:04 - 43:00
1:55 duration407 words

Marketplaces: Winner-Take-All Dynamics

Hyatt and Tavel explore the dynamics of marketplaces, discussing whether they must be winner-take-all. They analyze the competitive landscape, noting that while some marketplaces may exhibit oligopolistic traits, the most successful ones often dominate their respective markets.

"find your customers and if they're offline that's great if uh I mean arguably the only new customer acquisition Channel um is probably like online influencers uh has been the one area where there's be..."

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41:04 - 43:00
1:55 duration407 words

Marketplace Dynamics: Win or Take Most?

The segment explores the dynamics of marketplace competition, with Hyatt arguing that while many marketplaces exhibit winner-take-most characteristics, there are also opportunities for multiple players to thrive. He discusses the importance of focusing on core profitability areas within marketplaces.

"find your customers and if they're offline that's great if uh I mean arguably the only new customer acquisition Channel um is probably like online influencers uh has been the one area where there's be..."

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43:00 - 44:02
1:02 duration219 words

The Role of Oligopolies in Marketplaces

Hyatt concludes by discussing the prevalence of oligopolies in marketplace structures. He notes that while some marketplaces may have a dominant player, there are often multiple competitors that create a healthy market environment, allowing for diverse offerings and consumer choice.

"supposed to be run over the last 20 years but eBay is not a loan Marketplace Amazon marketplaces it's a majority of Amazon's business uh you just go down the list actually you can't I don't think you ..."

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43:00 - 44:02
1:02 duration219 words

Profitability in Marketplace Dynamics

The final segment addresses the profitability dynamics within marketplaces. Hyatt explains that while some areas may not follow winner-take-all dynamics, the most valuable segments often do, leading to concentrated profitability in specific market niches.

"supposed to be run over the last 20 years but eBay is not a loan Marketplace Amazon marketplaces it's a majority of Amazon's business uh you just go down the list actually you can't I don't think you ..."

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44:07 - 45:22
1:14 duration270 words

The Importance of Liquidity

The conversation shifts to the critical concept of liquidity in marketplaces. Tavel and Hyatt explain how achieving liquidity is essential for marketplace success, discussing the challenges of scaling and the need for strong network effects to support growth. They emphasize that understanding liquidity is key to evaluating marketplace startups.

"think it was naspers or shipstead that had this graph that they posted where they talk about where they show empirically that the further ahead the number one is from the number two and this was for c..."

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44:05 - 45:22
1:16 duration276 words

Understanding Liquidity in Marketplaces

Tavel and Hyatt delve into the concept of liquidity in marketplaces, discussing how it is crucial for success. They analyze the importance of achieving liquidity and the network effects that support it, while also addressing the challenges of scaling in competitive environments and the need for businesses to establish barriers to entry.

"most penetration there was actually I think it was naspers or shipstead that had this graph that they posted where they talk about where they show empirically that the further ahead the number one is ..."

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45:22 - 46:43
1:20 duration303 words

The Role of Specialization in Marketplaces

The discussion highlights the value of specialization in marketplaces, with examples of companies that have successfully carved out niches. Tavel and Hyatt reflect on how focusing on underserved markets can lead to success, as seen with companies like Skip the Dishes, which targeted less competitive areas to build their marketplace.

"this in the case of the Food Services business and you look at food delivery delivery has London um it's no secret that the the ball workor for Postmates is the Los Angeles area where they're wildly p..."

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45:22 - 46:38
1:15 duration280 words

Specialization in Marketplaces

Tavel and Hyatt highlight the value of specialization in marketplace dynamics. They discuss how companies like Skip the Dishes successfully targeted underserved markets, emphasizing the importance of focusing on niche areas where competition is less intense, thereby creating unique value propositions.

"this in the case of the Food Services business and you look at food delivery delivery has London um it's no secret that the the ball workor for Postmates is the Los Angeles area where they're wildly p..."

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46:38 - 48:12
1:34 duration318 words

Building Trust in Marketplaces

This segment focuses on the necessity of building trust within marketplaces. Tavel and Hyatt discuss how platforms like Goat have successfully addressed counterfeit concerns, creating a trustworthy environment for buyers and sellers. They explore the implications of trust on marketplace dynamics and user retention.

"burritos for two different places that happen to be located nearby each other and it turned out that we were off by a couple of years and in fact what GrubHub is seeing right now is they're trying to ..."

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46:43 - 48:31
1:48 duration356 words

Building Trust in Marketplaces

Tavel and Hyatt emphasize the importance of trust in marketplace dynamics, particularly in sectors vulnerable to counterfeits. They discuss how companies like Goat have successfully built trust through rigorous quality control, contrasting this with the vulnerabilities of larger platforms like eBay.

"and it turned out that we were off by a couple of years and in fact what GrubHub is seeing right now is they're trying to expand and it seems like they're determined to try and take the entire industr..."

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48:31 - 50:55
2:23 duration481 words

Navigating Market Liquidity Challenges

The segment focuses on the challenges of achieving liquidity in marketplaces, particularly in less densely populated areas. Tavel and Hyatt discuss the strategies that successful companies employ to overcome these challenges, including locking in supply and creating tailored solutions for specific market needs.

"talk about uh delivery know there was a company in Canada uh called skip the dishes and skip the dishes like you know just incredible Founders uh was acquired by just eat and the thing that they did w..."

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48:12 - 49:30
1:17 duration241 words

Challenges of Liquidity in Sparse Markets

Tavel and Hyatt discuss the challenges of achieving liquidity in less populated markets. They analyze how companies can struggle to build a customer base in areas with lower density and the strategies that can be employed to overcome these hurdles, including focusing on local partnerships and tailored solutions.

"then there was the the risk of counterfeits and and kind of a breakdown of trust and what what goat was able to do so well in particular in order to create this vertical was you know the the trust and..."

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50:55 - 54:31
3:36 duration744 words

Profitability in Marketplaces

Tavel and Hyatt address the misconceptions surrounding profitability in marketplaces, arguing that many companies are closer to profitability than perceived. They discuss the impact of public market expectations on growth strategies and how this influences whether companies choose to remain private longer.

"to manage uh reduceing frequency you're talking about being in a third tier City you don't have as much density the issue is you're going to have a frequency problem and you can solve that ideally by ..."

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49:30 - 51:08
1:37 duration356 words

The Role of Supply in Liquidity

In this segment, the discussion centers on the role of supply in achieving marketplace liquidity. Tavel and Hyatt explain how controlling supply can enhance market dynamics and profitability, using examples from the food delivery sector to illustrate their points about supply chain management and customer engagement.

"30 minute drives and you're at what scale you finally get to the point where you get any kind of real liquidity in the business and real leverage in the business I so I haven't spoken to them for a fe..."

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51:08 - 54:31
3:22 duration688 words

Profitability in Marketplaces

Tavel and Hyatt address the misconceptions surrounding profitability in marketplaces. They argue that many companies are closer to profitability than perceived and discuss the implications of public market pressures on growth strategies. They highlight the trend of companies remaining private longer to avoid public scrutiny while still pursuing growth.

"you're solving very much do you have any Frameworks for what real liquidity looks like where people know they have it think they have it don't no I think about it it's actually such an interesting que..."

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54:11 - 55:03
0:52 duration170 words

The Role of SoftBank in Market Dynamics

Tavel openly critiques SoftBank's influence on the marketplace landscape, suggesting that their approach encourages reckless growth strategies. They discuss how this behavior is symptomatic of broader issues within the venture capital industry and the impact it has on marketplace startups.

"longer and unfortunately we're like in a decade long cycle where already private equity and later and later stage funding is keeping these companies private longer and longer which is keeping the publ..."

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54:25 - 55:10
0:45 duration144 words

The Role of SoftBank in Marketplaces

Tavel openly critiques SoftBank's influence on the marketplace landscape, suggesting that it has fostered a culture of recklessness among startups. She argues that while some companies are managing their growth responsibly, the overall environment has been skewed by a few major players encouraging unsustainable practices. This segment delves into the broader implications of such behaviors on the marketplace ecosystem.

"just mean that companies will who still want to grow and feel like the public markets aren't going to allow them to grow publicly are just going to stay private yeah it's like you have this this chall..."

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55:03 - 56:21
1:18 duration238 words

Navigating Market Challenges

The discussion highlights the importance of maintaining a steady hand during challenging fundraising periods. Tavel and Hyatt emphasize the need for marketplace founders to focus on fundamentals and profitability, especially when external pressures push them towards aggressive growth.

"cost of their own unit economics the marginal cost to acquire that next that next user um but the second thing and I and I and I think about this a lot is just I I believe that there's you know this w..."

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56:21 - 57:11
0:49 duration181 words

Lessons from WeWork's Downfall

The segment touches on the lessons learned from WeWork's struggles, with Hyatt referencing insights from industry experts. They discuss the importance of understanding the business model and the potential pitfalls of rapid expansion without a solid foundation.

"really tough to do and so it's it's not to say it can't happen or it won't happen like to nabil's point there's a lot of businesses that that you know are very disciplined about their un economics and..."

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55:10 - 56:45
1:35 duration294 words

Navigating Market Challenges

The discussion shifts to the challenges faced by marketplace founders, particularly in maintaining focus on unit economics amidst pressure to scale rapidly. Tavel and Hyatt emphasize the importance of making strategic decisions that prioritize long-term sustainability over short-term growth, warning against the pitfalls of unchecked expansion and the difficulties of reversing growth momentum.

"and I and I think about this a lot is just I I believe that there's you know this wheel that when you're operating a business you can turn the wheel towards growth or you can turn the wheel towards pr..."

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56:45 - 58:01
1:15 duration275 words

Advice for Marketplace Founders

In this segment, Tavel and Hyatt provide actionable advice for founders in the marketplace space. They stress the importance of focusing on net revenue from the outset and measuring the right metrics to gauge business health. By shifting the focus from gross merchandise volume (GMV) to net revenue, founders can gain clearer insights into their financial performance and make informed decisions.

"say the quiet thing out loud here which is that softbank's a bad actor in the space and has encouraged people to be more Reckless as they grow I don't actually think I think that's endemic of the enti..."

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57:11 - 58:44
1:32 duration356 words

Common Mistakes in Marketplace Startups

Tavel and Hyatt outline common pitfalls that founders encounter when building marketplaces, particularly the temptation to prioritize rapid growth over sustainable practices. They stress the importance of focusing on liquidity and value creation for participants in the marketplace.

"too we're really close to dying and at certain points at certain points there was one round where the market wasn't trending their way something hadn't turned out and they had a really hard time fundr..."

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58:01 - 1:01:43
3:42 duration727 words

Closing Thoughts on Marketplaces

As the episode wraps up, Tavel and Hyatt reflect on the key takeaways for entrepreneurs building marketplaces. They reiterate the significance of understanding market dynamics, the importance of disciplined growth strategies, and the need for founders to stay grounded in their business fundamentals. Their insights provide a comprehensive overview of the current marketplace landscape and the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead.

"into the physical world we've settled For Worse margins and we started have this question of what's a tech company what's not a tech company so I'll ask Nabil what's your what's your hot take on wewor..."

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58:44 - 1:00:49
2:04 duration386 words

The Importance of Net Revenue Reporting

The conversation shifts to financial metrics, with Tavel advising founders to report net revenue early in their business journey. They discuss how this practice can lead to better decision-making and a clearer understanding of the company's financial health.

"not obvious mistakes that you see Founders make that you you know they should be thoughtful of the biggest one is just what I what I um mentioned before which is it it's so easy to get lost in wanting..."

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1:00:49 - 1:01:30
0:40 duration144 words

Cohort Analysis for Marketplace Success

In the final segment, Tavel emphasizes the significance of cohort analysis for understanding marketplace dynamics. She encourages founders to analyze both sides of the marketplace to gain insights into user behavior and improve overall business health.

"point and you know what you measure matters like everybody thinks about oh if I if I measure it'll improve and that's true but man if you're measuring the wrong thing you're going to miss the real hea..."