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I love the fact that my very special guest, the wonderful and iconic and beautiful Ziggy Marley is in front of us right now and I said, "We're not the kind of show that stands on any tradition. We're super fine."
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And the first thing that happens is we make you pour water into a cup because of [laughter] some kind of >> [laughter] >> I push the boundaries. I push the boundaries.
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You found the one thing that broke [laughter] us.
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Out of anything, it's like a it's a little secret straw and you found it.
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I don't [laughter] know how you do it.
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Everybody, please welcome Ziggy Marley to the show.
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>> [applause and cheering] >> What's up, bro? How are you, man?
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>> Good, good, good, man. Good good to be here. Good to be here.
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>> Yeah, great to have you here, man. Love your energy.
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I've loved your music for the longest time.
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Really happy to spend some time.
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Um congrats on the music, congrats on family. How's life? How's balance?
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How's your spirit on a day like today? >> Spirit high. Yeah, man. Spirit high. You know what I mean? Feel good. Music feel good.
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Getting ready to do some more stuff.
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Going to New Orleans for the Jazz Fest. >> Beautiful.
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>> Um yeah, I feel very happy, man.
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I mean, the freak the frequency that I've I've I didn't doing music and now it's I don't know. I feel good. I feel uplifted.
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Feel very up bright side, you know? Feel bright. >> That's right. That's right.
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>> I feel that the future is bright.
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>> Yeah, I'm glad you said that.
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Yeah, well, because I know that, you know, you you really give this thought.
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It's not the kind of statement that you make as a as a throwaway thing.
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Like, "Oh, you know, people say that all the time. I'll hang in there."
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Or it's just wait and see. It's going to be great.
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I feel like you you really think these things through and try to connect to the energy that works for you as an in a proactive way. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen.
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We know like we have a strong faith in the goodness, in in the positive, in the righteousness.
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We really know that when all is said and done is [snorts] love that will love is going to be the conqueror. Yeah. We know that. Like >> We do.
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>> Yeah, we can like we we we we see we see the program that is set right now. We see it's working. It's doing its thing.
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But I'm I'm not deterred at all because it's a joke.
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What you What you try for they can't succeed.
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>> Well, we've seen it over and over again.
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We're in a loop where these to your point, I love the way you call it a program or a system.
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It's almost like a virus and a if you want to put it to modern technology as a filter, it's like a virus that keeps getting uploaded, but it [snorts] doesn't catch because the purity of the CPU board is strong, man. We are strong. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're strong.
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I will not We're not going to get um Anyway, what I'm calling it again, any of them little pop-up thing that come up on my heart.
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The >> Oh, like an error thing, like a >> [laughter] >> What I'm calling it now, man.
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You know the ads them like the little >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> keep trying to pop those ads in our heads, you know?
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>> Like this try that and connect this button and then you got to look for the little like X in the corner and they make it so faint and translucent.
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>> So, that's what's happening in our brains like they keep putting up these negative things and they're feeding us and they're feeding us.
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But uh we like, you know, we have our work to do and our work, you know, is is to spread spread the positivity and the love and the counter. >> Mhm.
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>> We need We have to have a counter. >> Mhm.
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>> We have to have a counter attack and this is our counter, you know?
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>> Joy is an act of resistance.
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I feel like this album is very important.
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Um you know, it's called Brightside.
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You know, uh I love that you It's so interesting to me your musical journey because there have been there have been records of resistance.
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There have been angry songs in the in their own way.
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Um and yet we're in a time when people are getting angrier and angrier and you've and you have found your counter and joy and then and then even in the frequency of the music, the way that you record it.
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Can you expand on that for people that maybe don't pick up on that? >> Yeah.
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Well, we trying a new frequency because right now I mean most of the music you hear is um in 432 hertz, which is a standard hertz, you know.
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But for this record and for in my journey in music I'm always looking for something new.
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I'm always looking I always like I like I said that every day is new to me. Yeah.
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It's never like you know I've been I've been It's a first day I'm existing today.
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Like it's it's brand new, you know.
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So during my journey for music I was searching for this this feeling, you know, and I'm still searching for it.
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And it's a it's a long journey and it through experiences So at this time in this journey I have discovered a frequency that I wanted to try, 432 hertz.
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I want to tune my instruments 432 hertz.
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I want to try something different.
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440 is not doing it for me anymore.
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I need a different frequency for me to feel something that I'm looking for.
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Because 440 not doing it.
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So that is a part of the the the the the landscape of the of this album. Um the hertz change. Um our approach change. My songwriting change.
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It's like it's a I'm really at a good evolutionary state of my existence right now in music.
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>> I love that you said this because I've been having this conversation with people um very openly on the show and in private about the idea of music having a very tangible physical form. >> Mhm.
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>> And then when we listen to it we think it exists in some kind of magical ether but it's it's if if we just can't see it but it totally has shape. >> Mhm.
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>> And we totally pass it to each other in the same way everything else has >> Yeah. >> has shape.
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And so when you talk about the frequency, the hertz rate of something >> Yeah.
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>> you know, it it is genuine.
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It is it is Isn't it interesting how it balance between spirituality and science?
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>> No, but that is the balance.
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That is cuz science is kind of like >> It is kind of spiritual, isn't it? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's science is like We think of science as something that man is is a man. But science is a man. The universe is science.
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That's where science come from, the universe and the earth and is that man make science?
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Science already existed before man.
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>> Science is us trying to understand the science [laughter] of the universe. >> Exactly. Exactly.
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Say that it existed and that is one thing I did with this record too.
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I decided like I wanted to do them I wanted to put some science in it cuz inspiration is one thing and I've done that but I want to do something new.
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And a part of that was like understanding not getting into too deep into it but understanding the science of music.
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>> Cuz you only know what you know and so in order to break that apart and search for something new you have to be somewhat analytical in your in your in your diligence, right?
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>> So that is I think I use some of that now which I was kind of like against that type of stuff or this should be just like inspirational and pure and but science is pure.
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Science is inspirational, you know, wisdom, knowledge is a good thing, you know what I mean?
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If you know something is a good thing, you know?
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>> There's a time and a place to sort of lean into that into that conversation about I why I need to trust my instincts and my inner voice and if I'm not feeling it purely then I don't want to think about it analytically.
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[laughter] All that's beautiful.
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It's a little bit of youth involved in that, you know, you've got to kind of lean into that but I agree with you as you get to sort of our age and you start to sort of look around you realize there's a lot I don't know. >> Yes, so true.
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And it's like and it but that's a good thing because it it's like it just give more it spark and I have a I have a open mind so that's why I'm I'm able for search and keep like just my brain like very excited about things in music and what I'm doing. >> curiosity.
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>> Yes, I'm very curious. Very curious. I'm very explorative.
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So that yeah, you know, that is how we approach it, you know, with that open-mindedness.
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>> I'm so excited to to have you on the show live today, man.
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I mean it's it's it's it's you know, you give us this gift of music and you put so much love and heart and soul and science into it.
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>> [laughter] >> Yeah, you're listening to uh Joy as an act of resistance right now.
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Uh you know, not just the joy of the artist who wrote those all important words and has been preaching the good word from day one.
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Uh but to the musicians who are congregated at Red Lion in your space who just sound like they're having the greatest day of their lives playing that song. >> Lion. Yeah. No, we had fun. We had fun.
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We rehearsed and yeah, we had a we had a good It was a good jam.
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And we jam the songs I'm lost in for like 10 minutes or more and we just we were jamming.
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It was like really good vibe.
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It was it I must say just it felt fresh. It felt It felt fresh.
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You know, I feel like oh still or yeah, we did we did you know, it feel fresh like new music new new energy new vibe.
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>> And also to be in a room that you know, you're able to It's a church really.
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It's a temple that you've been able to build out of the work and the and the art you've already created.
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Like whenever I walk into a studio I was in a friend's studio the other day and I walked in and I always say the same thing.
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I always say, "Man, music did this." >> Yeah.
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>> You know, music paved the way and and that's where the bricks and the mortar and the live room and the box and the box and all the things that give you the space to create came from art. >> That's true.
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That is a Is that Is that like a That's a sacred place in a way.
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You know, you have to take off your shoes.
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You can't wear shoes in them in them place.
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So, you know, we we treated we treated with respect.
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You know, we treated the the the the the the like a church like a temple. >> Agreed.
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>> You have to respect the temple.
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You have to respect the studio too.
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You So, we treated with respect, you know.
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>> You've recorded in some of the most beautiful and incredible historical studios in the world.
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Do you feel the music when you walk into these rooms?
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Do they feel special to you when you walk in these rooms? >> Some of them. Some of them.
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Like the the the one that keep the history within the walls. >> Mhm.
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>> Like you know, if you go to Capital or back in the day I don't know if I had East West, one of them street.
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But you can't feel >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah, Fleetwood Mac was there, you know. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> Rod Stewart was there and you you know, there's a little thing, you know. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah, we're like that, you know.
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MySpace, people say them coming in like everybody coming in without me after saying anything or prompt them.
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I'm like, "Yo, this space feel it have a feel good in here, you know."
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So, yeah, we have a good we have a good space, you know.
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>> Ziggy Marley is with us live on Apple Music Radio.
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We're talking about an album which is fourth coming called Bright Side, which is exciting and just ahead of some shows and and the whole wheel starts to turn again.
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There's a very moving piece of music on the record which you've which you've shared with with us already.
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Wonderful song called Many Moren for Bob. >> Mhm.
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>> Um the music, the song that you've created here is profound >> Mhm.
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>> because it feels when you listen to it like there is a conversation happening between you and your late father. >> Yeah.
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You have a good intuition when you know what I'm going to >> [laughter] >> I'm just listening to what I'm listening to and I'm just trying to tap in.
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>> He picked up good, man. He picked up good. It's true, it's true. Yeah, it's true.
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I mean yeah, that song I mean feel like it come from like a part of my my my subconscious.
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Um I'm trying to think of kind of I guess I don't know because I'm I'm still trying to figure out what we're like why that song, why I even like what how I came up with that and the whole thing, you know.
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I know memories and I know that when I was working on the the Bob Marley film for 2 years or so I delve a little deeper into my father.
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Like I never really thought about him just you know, he's my father, he's my father.
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Yeah, I love my father and I know it.
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I think about him as my father.
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>> You're the only people in the world, a few of you, that can look at him and feel him in that way. >> So, yes. But, no.
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Me look upon him as a man to a man now and as a human being.
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So, I have to delve a little deeper than just my daddy.
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My the human being now, you know?
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And what what he went through emotionally, mentally.
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And I know cuz I've been around and I heard and I saw.
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And it was, you know, there was There was a I mean There was emotional mental stress and pain along with everything great. You know what I mean? >> Yeah.
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>> And he I mean he he had to go through a lot.
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And I think he felt alone a lot of the times.
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You know, even though a lot of people was around him not everybody was around him for the right reasons.
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You know what I'm saying? So, yeah.
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So, me kind of I'm I'm I have empathy for him in a way, you know, in a in a very mature way.
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I feel for I feel for him. I feel for his pain.
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That nobody know really understand or recognize, you know, at this point.
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But, yeah, I feel for him.
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And when I was working on the song um actually I said to myself, like, yeah.
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Like, this could be he could be singing this song. This could be his song.
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Meaning more info about like I felt like his voice um is also represented in my voice.
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And the words I'm saying is also a part of his story that he wants to tell to.
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>> There are similarities in the way that you phrase and certain tonality in your voice that has always had a direct connection through the nature and nurture of your relationship with Bob.
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It's like, yes, I I recognize in your music elements of your father. >> Yeah.
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>> But, in this particular song there's times when I'm there's a element of disbelief because it does feel like you are merging. >> It's true. No, it's true. It's true. Me hear it too. I hear it too.
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Cuz I'm not just doing it.
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I'm also experiencing it.
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You know, you know, it's not I mean listen.
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I don't like talk about these THINGS TOO MUCH.
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>> [laughter] >> I DON'T LIKE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS TOO MUCH, you know, cuz it get too, you know, yeah, it get kind of >> I [laughter] know. I know.
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But you've been very generous and open about it, man, and I appreciate it.
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We all do because father means an enormous amount to us in the ways that we got to know him through the spirit of his music and the power of his message and everything that he did and achieve through his life and the humanity of it all, the fact that he was a human being. >> Yeah, man.
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>> There are flaws in all of us, man, and you know, it's like we we we you know, we you got to have it all for it to be real.
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>> to you have to have it all.
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For connect to to everyone in that way.
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You have to have it all, you know. >> Yeah.
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>> And yeah, just that still, you know, but we you know, the spiritual connection strong.
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Cuz I don't believe in them thing there.
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Me not say I I yet to use the word believe, I know, because I've experienced it.
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And sometime I try for placate people cuz I'm not trying to convince anyone.
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But sometime I say believe just to give them a chance.
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But I really know because I've experienced What I experienced is real.
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It's not It's not It's It's real to me.
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And I know what my experience is, you know, so >> Well, yeah, thank you so much for creating that and then having the courage to share it with us all so we can all experience that moment. >> True, true. Give thanks.
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>> It's a gift and and you know, we really appreciate it, man. We do. Ziggy Marley is with us.
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This is a beautiful, beautiful morning to be alive.
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Um it's 4 minutes after 10:00 right now in Los Angeles, California.
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He has a brand new album which is called Bright Side.
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In 4 3 2 is the Hertz rate on that and it does you feel it. It's funny.
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I put it on and I listened to it and I I like, yeah, man, there is something going on here.
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It's There was something going on."
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>> See, I'm doing me too, though.
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Because I'm a listener, too.
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I'm not just the person that make the music, but I'm a listener, too.
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And I feel the same way, like this is the only album of mine that I can that I can and will listen to.
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Like from top to bottom, I can just listen like just enjoy the music, you know? >> I love that.
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>> Yeah, that's the only it's the only album I've done that with, you know? So >> I love that. >> about it, you know?
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>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> [laughter] >> Yeah, I love that.
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I always got really sad when I would ask um artists that question.
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I'd be like, "Do you listen to your own music?"
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And nine times out of 10, they'd be like, "I can't."
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And I think like that's the only sad part of the trade.
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Like you don't get to experience what we get to experience. >> yeah.
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>> You know, you get to make it.
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That's the good side of the trade.
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>> But you don't get to enjoy it.
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>> Well, this one I can't I can stay outside of I can not be you know that the maker, I can just be the listener. >> Yeah.
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>> And I really Yeah, I don't know if it's the frequency or what, but something That's the but that I mean, that's the main difference, really.
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Aside from how we create it, cuz we try to create it very analog and and keep that human connection instead of just the digital, but >> But I think what you're also singing about and the way that you've brought all the things that are important you to feel like they're really in conversation with each other on this record.
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They really know and like each other.
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The family has come along for the ride.
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You know, the art of resistance has come along for the ride.
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You know, some of the things that you've had to process as an adult in your life that you never asked to go through has come along for the ride.
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It does feel like a full collection of your life experience up to this point.
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>> Yeah, that I think that's what it is.
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I mean and it's like that's what I say about it.
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I say like this album, that's why it's a milestone for me.
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I had few albums milestone like you know, from the first all right, Conscious Party with the Melodians, but then my first solo album was a milestone, Dragon Fly.
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That was the time I kind of left my my family surroundings and I came to LA and I didn't know nothing about LA and didn't know the type of people and you know, I just came into a new um experience which was helped me to grow as a person.
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Then Love Is My Religion was another growth but that was a spiritual growth.
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Where Love Is My Religion where I kind of found that voice of my my my philosophy, you know, that I could say.
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That was a very important statement to myself and realization as well as to the world.
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And then this one as it says like from all of the experiences with some of the science and all of the the growth that I've had.
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This one is a is a is a big step forward for me in my evolution.
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You know, so yeah, I'm feeling good, yeah.
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>> You know, family is obviously has a huge part of of your community where you're from. You carry it with you.
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Your last record, you know, more family time, you know, we need, you know, you're sending messages to us all which is like, you know, let's not ignore the the reason we're here which is to leave the world in a better place than we found it and the best ways to best best way to do that is to nurture those closest to us in the right manner.
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Um how do you sort of balance the responsibilities that you undertake as a working artist, the touring and all the things that you do but also wanting to spend that time with the people that you care about the most because those memories, man, that time is fleeting. >> Yeah.
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I mean, it is what it is like it is what it was for me. You know what I mean?
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Um I have to do what I have to do.
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But is I think I realize now so a good woman is very important to find a good woman in your life.
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Cuz a good woman is a good guide.
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You know, he's a [snorts] good guy.
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He's a good growth thing.
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So, when we meet my wife, come here was you know, I was always like I never really grew up in a family like family thing and you know, dinner and family and kids and parents have a take them kids go here and there and do all type of things, you know.
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We never grew up the way there, you know. >> Neither, by the way.
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>> Yeah, I love my family, but we were you know >> Sometimes I feel like we were just a group of individuals >> Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean, but It was a great experience we had. >> Mhm.
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>> Was a very powerful experience, but we never have that old nurturing thing or whatever.
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So, when we meet my wife now and start a family and her family is very family oriented.
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Like it's a family thing, everything the family have to get together and the family you know, I'm not used to that, you know. >> Same.
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Isn't it funny how we gravitated towards people who had the thing that we didn't have in our lives? It's so interesting.
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>> I mean, it really that's why I always say a good woman is a good thing.
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You know, cuz it really helped me for grow and understand and it tap into a part of me that was un untapped and it open up my heart, open up my emotion. >> Mhm.
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>> Open up my understanding and my um the empathy and and just for understand it it help society.
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>> Well, yeah, because >> It help society, yeah.
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>> Yeah, because because you're a member a part of that experience.
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If you're walking around with an unresolved frustration, anger >> Yeah.
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>> you know, things that you can't resolve on your own. >> Yeah.
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>> That's a that's an appetite for destruction. >> Yeah.
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So, I I give a lot of credit to you know, my wife >> Mhm.
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>> for helping me in the growth.
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It's a part and I think it was meant to be.
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I think all of this was meant to be in my life.
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My life I my experience is that everything kind of going to place.
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Like even the with the record, like we had ups and downs, but everything like the problem that we had wasn't a problem because the problem helped to find a solution that we wouldn't have found if we didn't have the problem.
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You understand what I say?
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So >> You like that everyday? I don't know.
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>> [laughter] >> NO, WE ARE >> AND SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, MAN, CAN I JUST NOT SIT IN THE PROBLEM?
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I'm really upset about this.
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>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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I I learned to deal with I >> Yeah.
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>> Like my psyche I figure out my psyche of how to deal with things like that. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> I always bright side.
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I always find There's another side to this thing because >> Because because I I look at the term bright side in in in Leia's right, I'm like, yes, that is the proactive way of looking at life, but it's also the reminder that I need when I when I'm not there cuz it's a lifelong journey, isn't it? >> it is, yeah.
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You know, that I always there.
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And that's what I you know, was I was saying to someone that, you know, they must say um Like when you're in that funk or whatever, how you get out of that or what you need.
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I must say the first thing for realize is that there is a bright side.
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Even when you're in that that place you are, is the first realization you have to have with that.
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You know, there's another there's another side to this thing here.
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This is not the only side.
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I don't have to stay in this funk. I can get out of it.
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You know, realize that first, you know, that yeah, it's it is it is out there.
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You know, it's not you're not just in there's not just the darkness.
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There's not just the negativity.
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There's the other side of it.
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Realize that first and then let's try to find a place, you know?
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>> Got to keep showing up. It's all I know.
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>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> You know, that's the that's the truth part.
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Um So this tour, man, is going to be really really special uh kicking off on June the 19th, 20 dates. It's going to be great.
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The same players you've always you've had for a long time, same band, same players for the most part? >> Same band, yeah.
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We try to switch it up a little bit. Same band. Same band basically.
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But my band we always a work in progress cuz I'm always changing Like >> Yeah, yeah.
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>> Like to me music is living.
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So even though I recorded song 20 years ago and I play today, I want to I want to change the bass line or change Should I change it?
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Like >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> I don't Yeah, I'm not like nostalgic to If >> a nostalgic dude, are you?
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>> just feel that I'm I'm on the day I'm at the day I'm living now. The music is today.
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The music came from yesterday, but it is playing today.
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How does it sound to me today? And that frustrate them. >> be a nightmare.
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>> [laughter] >> THAT IS NO, YEAH.
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YO, YOU could If you come rehearsal, you see what's happening.
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They almost want to drive ME CRAZY.
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>> [laughter] >> I KEEP I KEEP CHANGING THINGS.
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>> I'M TOO long in the tooth to be polite about that, man.
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I've spent too much time with musicians to know that they just like, "I love this guy, but he's driving me crazy." [laughter] >> Exactly. Exactly. No, I keep doing it.
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But it keep feeling good, so yeah. And they know it, too. They know it. They can feel it.
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They can feel it because >> it's a job.
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The rest of it is not a job. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> It's not a job showing up and doing what you love, but you know, if the boss comes in and goes, "Listen, >> Yeah.
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>> [laughter] >> for no reason that you could possibly understand, [laughter] I'm changing this up." >> Yeah, man. Sure, man.
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Sometimes get a some, you know, curse words.
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I People frustrated, you know?
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So, that's how it is with me, man. That's how it is. Yeah, man.
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>> Man, let's do it longer next time. I know you got to go.
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I've had a really good time getting to know you and hanging out with you. >> Yeah, man. Yeah, man.
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>> And uh the album's called Bright Side.
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The tour kicks off in the summer.
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Um man, seriously, more life, more love for you. >> Love you. Respect, respect. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah.