welcome to technology Brothers the most profitable podcast in the world I am sick as a dog but we're celebrating because we doubled and it's a Dom episode you know what that means we have a tradition around here straight into it every time we double we pull out a
bottle of D pering Yar and enjoy it on the show live and the timing with this actually work well given that it's Christmas Eve it is Merry Christmas is uh yeah Merry Christmas everyone we're having we're having quite the morning we got here we woke up around 5 tried to get to studio um Jesus
Jesus so bad oh my God I didn't realize it so pumped up oh that's great fantastic anyways strong strong start to the episode strong start uh Jesus yeah that that Merry Christmas everyone merry Christmas christas um anyway so we I'll just recap the morning briefly so we got up around 5: wanted to
get to the studio early because of course it's Christmas Eve and we have family stuff going on family in town but we weren't going to miss uh an opportunity to record a podcast it just would not be on brand for us um and uh so anyways we get here John is deathly ill from some uh from some
disease that his uh cousin picked up at school it's like a thousand times worse than Co it's yeah if you've ever had co co is a thousand times worse than that he keeps horrifically coughing we just shot another video and um it it was tough to get through it uh and then we
had a huge uh sort of printer malfunction which was making this show difficult considering we rely on printed quite a lot of printed content to get through it um but we made it here the worst part is that I got goated into one of the hardest workouts of my life yesterday so I heard a rumor that uh one
of my buddies who's a founder I guess decorn now uh is like the fittest man in Tech and so I hit him up and I was like I hear I hear you're the fittest man in Tech like I'm gonna challenge you like let's go like I want to work out where do you work out I want to work out with you see see how jacked
you really are and he sent me his uh his like body fat location yeah he did basically he was like meet here on the 23rd he sent me his body fat percentage 99.9% last time I tested I was at 14 and a half so I was like which is good good healthy but 9.9 is low low yeah and so I
was like okay no whammy no whammy I've been working out maybe I'll be down 9.8 if I beat him by even point1 I win so I get down there get on the the body fat scanner comes back 9.4 I'm like let's go I beat him he gets you came in at 9.4 9.4 yeah he gets on 9.1 he Dro something
had happened and so he just smoked me but I I beat him on it gives you like this aggregate score for like muscle and fat combines everything complete like you know nonsense heuristic is this a dexa yeah exactly so it gives you like the score and uh and I beat him on that so I was like this is what we were
really focused on here not the body fat percentage and then he proceeded to destroy me he's been training for a murf you know murf the mile and then the 100 push-ups 200 100 pull-ups 200 push-ups 300 squats or something and I just got destroyed it was so bad but it was a lot
of fun and uh yeah I was really close to bailing I said up I was like I got this terrible cough I can't make it dude and he was like don't worry there's a bunch of doctors you can go to that are nearby and he sent me a screenshot just looking for gynecologists nearby and I was like
[ __ ] I literally got in my car moed moed I was like I can't not go and I was just coughing up a along dying the entire time and it made me so you wouldn't have been invited back I I came back with a 103 degree fever it was so bad so bad but I got through it and that's what
matters so today we are recapping the big moments of 2024 he before that one one big moment of the year was uh for us we doubled again cheers well we doubled in in this podcast very grateful for it and the brothers MH it's been fantastic it is an honor to record this yeah I
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annual Awards which will be going out via x uh so you can look out for that but um in going through that process we spent the time to just kind of reflect on some of the bigger moments of the year and if felt like a Monumental year in tech for many reasons I think the
election played into that because uh you know Tech was just so intertwined with the election this year given the influence of X and Elon and big Venture funds um and it was really more you know the election specifically was more of a that more of a cultural battle even within Tech than we're now
even remembering like I saw um Bas Baron posted yesterday screenshots of all the VCS that were VCS for KLA as a website the website's since been scrubbed but there were probably 100 names up there from many of the biggest firms in the valley people that were backing it uh so I I would you know
since we don't talk about politics on this show or social issues I would just vote that we just try to forget about that list we just all move forward together we should just have a website called VC's and just any VC can can just you know put put your name on that site
or like Tech and you just like if you support tech technology if you're VC want put my name in the hat that I'm I'm a venture capital if you're VC and you support technology go to technology.com you can put your name on the dotted line and you can Support Tech he's that guy with the
NFL hat is's that Meme where he's like he's at the NFL game he just supports the NFL that's what you want to do just just VC America support both parties Pro America Pro America yeah I think like the reason we're able to have a non political show purely yeah business is
because we generally support everybody that is pro technology Pro business pro America yeah that was one of my hot takes like though what what do you agree what do you believe that very few people will agree with you on is that every American president is amazing yeah I
love them all and I would get beers with all of them and I think they're all incredible and I think that you don't rise to that station without having an incredible life story and every time I've dug into someone even someone who's been controversial or I did a whole
hourong documentary about Trump and then an hourong documentary about uh Biden and they both have like incredible stories and it's very easy to get lost in like what's going on this week with this particular policy and is this policy good or bad and there's certainly some politicians that benefited me or my
worldview more but I think we've never had a Stalin or Hitler in America and every American uh president has been unique and interesting and someone that I would absolutely want to get dinner with if they were alive or available yep it's a great Point Pro America Pro
America uh where do we even want to start here there's a bunch of big moments you know everything from open AI to True social going public to an almost Tik Tock ban that didn't end up happening to software dying and being reborn to humanoid robots to open AI drama to open drama was mostly last last
year this year was kind of a rebuilding year pivot to to product but the talent Exodus this year was intense that was intense but they were kind of two separate things the Cadence of product releases is really really strong is really really good that's why I put it at the top is despite all the drama and
the various yeah people high-profile people co-founders leaving the product velocity was still insane and they and they didn't and and it still throughout the year was this tug of war in terms of you know anthropic versus open AI versus oh what is Gemini doing like there was
this Ilia doing yeah there was this sort of tug of war for attention and users throughout the year but it felt like open AI seemed to be stay Mission oriented even if their mission had changed year-over-year in some ways right shifting to for-profit yeah I mean it's a remarkable shift from a research
organization with a very much more academic style of employee to product Le and like some of the earliest problems were like yeah it was an amazing magical like God box that you could talk to that defeated the touring test like out of nowhere but it couldn't keep you logged
in do you remember that yeah you had to keep logging in and then for a while it like it's down or it would it would air out and now they've gotten to a point where it's extremely reliable and yeah it still goes down every once a while there's still rough edges and there's
weird things where like different models have different capabilities what can generate images what can but clearly all of that product stuff is getting ironed out and they're going to have ads in the free version all the way up to a $2,000 a month tier or $200 a month tier like
it's going to be like really really polish differentiated product so I'm excited I mean it's on my home row and nothing has been able to displace it for me yeah and we can't um understate how impactful it's been on this show we on average have been putting out 10 hours a
week of content something like that and some of it is act more or less scripted and then it's like heavily researched and we you know write some of it out beforehand and so you know chat gbt has effectively replaced the need for a full-time writer analyst type person um and then ai's worked its way into so
many other things just like transcripts are automated with AI little captions that we put over videos even just like some AI generated images and some of the short form stuff like it it's just like weasel its way into all these like nooks and crannies it's not it's very additive
yeah not it's not like replacing anything that we're doing but uh it's been it's been hugely beneficial yeah another one on the list obviously Nvidia becoming the world's most valuable company they were um uh Apple overtook them again afterward but can't be understated how memorable that
will be to me even 20 30 years from now like witnessing that remember Jensen signing that woman's chass that was like he's a rock star now yeah after what 30 years of building that company more yeah and and being I would say a very benevolent you know positive uh type of character within the
tech world right he's not doesn't have as ridiculous ego he's generally very humble uh the only the only critique I I would have of him is he has gone on an interview to say I wouldn't do this again you know if I if I knew how hard it was going to be um because we don't
want to discourage any Builders but um but yeah can't it really can't be um and it's so unclear right now we're not in the business of making you know predictions um around market caps or anything like that but um you know looking back at the dotc era yeah um comparable companies evaluations they
achieved it'll just be so interesting if if um This Time It's Different well they have over 100% of the profits in AI right now yeah because all the other companies are losing money and they're one this printing money it's also fascinating just compare them to their
their their Rivals Intel which is a complete mess and Pat Ginger was outed and they just haven't been able to take advantage of the chips act at all and then AMD there was like this bombshell report by semi analysis Dylan Patel this week uh basically saying that like even
though they're hitting the benchmarks on the actual like computing power like price per flop the software is so broken there's so many bugs that you cannot train models on it Andor is like chiming in and uh Lisa sue the CEO is uh kind of scrambling but she's done this before where she's like hopped on the phone
with people and be like okay yeah we're going to fix it and then nothing happens and so uh it's been a really crazy just kind of like AB test to see that Nvidia just remains like so dominant even when someone else can beat them on like the core metric yeah the that Cuda you know
polish the other thing to highlight under here that was seemingly Monumental uh was tsmc stting to chips America I don't think that can beated just given how important they are in the in the value chain or supply chain um and uh yeah I'm excited to see where that goes in 2025 um but in with the
chaos of this year um it seemingly was not necessarily brushed under the rug but it felt like it got like 5 hours of attention when maybe it was you know considering how dependent our entire way of life is on chips it seems pretty cool that we were able to make those here
yeah huge did you use an apple Vision Pro this year yeah that was that was going to be the next one uh I uh I'm going to sound like a lite for this but I did not you didn't even try I didn't even try it one um I had no interest in going to an Apple store and just like putting on something that hundreds of
other people are putting on in a day um it's just a personal preference uh the other thing and the reason that I didn't actually buy it is I try to keep uh devices away from my head so I use um you know I use like wired headphones I have for years I use my airpods as like
a golf balls for practice in my backyard um uh they they no longer work obviously um but uh I didn't try it I haven't been um uh I I I totally would it's not that I wouldn't but I just didn't happen to be in a situation um but it is it is fascinating that uh how quickly the
swing happened from people going on X in the first couple weeks being like this is the next Computing platform to I've never even facetimed a single friend that was like oh I'll call you for my Apple Vision Pro and we have a bunch of friends that that have these a lot of people used them for two weeks and then
returned that's exactly what I did yeah it was great for two weeks I watched a movie on a plane watched a movie at night but there were just too many bugs too expensive I yeah you were seeing that like I remember I was at Soho Beach House like somebody's just sitting there
with it on Wow and it just looks you know it looks silly but it's also I don't just because something looks silly doesn't mean that it's bad it it was like it I I gen generally think that the Apple Vision Pro is is very um I think it's cool I wish it was like catching on
more I have a friend who's a super talented iOS Developer I was like hoping that this would be a Computing platform that he would be able to build on I did try one uh The Meta Ray bands was pretty impressed with but again I don't really want to wear I don't need to it's not quite you know significant
enough to want to wear them around all day y um but yeah I think uh there there had been some reporting that uh Apple was going to discontinu The Vision Pro entirely I think they that would be such a um doing that like there's almost seemingly some value to Apple in terms
of maintaining their market cap to just continuing it because if they discontinue it it's such a colossal defeat and sort of like verifiable proof that you are an iPhone company yeah and um and I think they should keep it going I I think they should do another version with the same screen because the screen
really is fantastic yeah it's just yeah and it's it's Apple has the leverage to be able to say let's spend $20 billion a year on this you know they legitimately could do that if they can the same screen get rid of the external screen switch it to plastic instead of metal so
it's half the weight like and half the price like they have a winning formula for sure just in terms of like replacing a home movie theater yeah because you can just put it on and watch a movie but even then the software was really bad like I would wear it in the dark and my
room is really dark and it would get lost and like put up an air saying like can't track and it's like I don't care if you can track I'm just trying to watch a movie right now it's very very frustrating yeah uh not not fully polished and it felt like the people who are working on it weren't using it in a
real way they were like using it in a demo at work and yeah not actually daily driving it in the way that Steve Jobs daily drove the iPhone and realized like hey like it needs to be a glass screen because I put it in my pocket with my keys and that was like a fundamental
Insight that that hasn't happened with the Apple Vision Pro yet it's been very much like of course you'd like a giant box and like take it out and like put it on for 10 minutes and do a demo and then put it back and like it's like no that's not how people use these devices yeah
but yeah people people went from being like Oh what case should I get to my Vision Pro to the week the next week being like I'm gonna return it yeah I'm going return it and yeah super bullish for meta because they're clearly going to release like something that's equivalent they just need to figure out
the media uh like you should be able to just buy any movie on any meta headset and I don't know that they have a partnership yet but they need like a iTunes store because that was the first thing I did was I went in and I bought like Avatar all the Christopher Nolan
films all the movies that I would want to see in the theater I bought all those like 3D movies and stuff and it was amazing all those were great but it was just too heavy and too expensive and too too janky but if if meta comes out with something that's the same resolution at
half the price and has that feature just the movies are good I also do think that there's a big opportunity for uh starting to create content in 3D right now and then just waiting waiting waiting and then eventually it'll catch up I was thinking about doing that when when it launched if it was going to be
big I was going to do the history of VR and I was going to do an interview Series in in spatial video in 3D so you could watch it in the Apple Vision Pro and it would be like you were sitting right here and you could look to your right and see me you could look to your
left and see like Palmer or carac or whoever whoever I get to interview about the history of VR and it would just be like these really chill unedited interviews and it would just be like Oh I'm sitting at a table with these guys having a conversation learning a little bit no edits nothing very natural
anytime you're C it gets really jarring anytime you're flying around you don't want to move the camera at all you just want to put the camera there and then let people look where they want to look and that's really cool but there's just no they don't have a YouTube yet for
Apple vision problems one thing that was interesting they had that app that was native to the device that was you could see dinosaurs yeah yeah yeah and it reminded me of the original like iPhone iPod Touch apps when I was probably I forget exactly how I was maybe like 10
years old 11 years old using these things where there was like the app where you could like play guitar or like drink you know you could pour a beer or whatever it was just like these sort of I I don't remember anything outside of the Dinosaur app that kind of broke through the noise um nothing which is
really proof that there's no or organic developer activity which is kind of a people are lazy when it comes to VR like you want to just like lay down like one of the best VR games I played on The Meta Quest was a shooter but the whole conceit is that you're in a kayak and
you're sniper like sneaking through Waters and like assassinating dudes on like oil rigs basically and like so so you're seated the whole time and you're just using your VR paddles to go like this and then you reach down pull out your sniper rifle and then shoot and
it's really really cool it's awesome because you don't need to be like running around and it's not very it's good training for everyday life exactly yeah um he's great and so um it's uh like the figuring out how to break the like people just want like video games I feel like had a breakout moment during
like Final Fantasy 7 where it was like a 100 hour game you could just sit there and it would be like lots of dialogue very chill sit on the couch middle Gear Solid like these long games and no one's figured out how to do that on VR because they're all pre they're all so
preoccupied with like well you could run around and you could throw Fireballs but then it's like okay I'm just working out now I'm like exhausted like I don't actually want to like climb a mountain to live like mission impossible to I want to watch it on my couch lazily yeah
and so Palmer was actually talking about this one company that was building a VR headset that was meant to be used laying down and so it had like a special pillow with like knobs on it so you could like move your head very easily so you could move your head but then you'd lay down it's like very kind of
look at like imagine the brain rot oh it's so brain Rotty but at the same time it's like how do people play Madden on Xbox when it comes out or Call of Duty when that one comes out they play for eight hours straight yeah and so you you're not going to displace the PS5
until you can give someone an experience that they can go and chill with for eight hours straight Y and so you have to lean into that design that design like elements essentially and you're competing with the phone which is so good at capturing attention right and every single that's that's that's one of
the big issues with VR is VR headsets aren't competing with each other they're competing with every other screen everyday life um so the competition is just intense yep especially when they're this expensive yeah um what else you want uh poly Market is worth bringing up
like prediction markets finally breaking through um seeing the picture of uh of Shane working in 2020 or 2021 like in his bathroom on like a wicker basket no one really cared very low volumes it's logging through the next few years and getting to this year um and I just
thought that was cool because we we've talked about this on the show before but it had been this sort of thesis that every so many smart investors had for so long that prediction markets would eventually go main mainstream Y and it kind of took this election cycle it took
poly Market's product getting to where it is it took um it took probably like sports betting like blowing up and like becoming a lot more mainstream to be honest like kind of predated I would say like the the the the vend diagram of people that Sports bed and people that like use prediction markets is like
probably almost a circle you know um but just a breakout year and um yeah it was it was very I would say vindicating for believers in prediction markets based on how the election unfolded yeah it's been tricky figuring out like what the next major poly Market segment will be
because uh Chad buyers was in our replies talking about like oh we should do a poly market for when these guys double the next time or like 644k and Mike over at Poly Market was like the Bots have entered the chat because if there's money on the line some will justra 50k Bots and just follow us and
it'll just destroy everything and so it's very very tricky to figure out how to how to you know price that yeah the whole insider trading element is interesting too because people were betting on Brian Johnson's erections yeah like nighttime erection length I saw that but then I saw one of his
employees was like I just made XYZ money from like Insider training on my boss's like you know which is like how do you really like these are financial markets maybe they do need some you know element of Regulation where you just need to go into them and treat it more as an
entertainment product say like this is not a you know perfect security like it's sort of you're almost trading on like how much insider trading will there be like what what type of insider trading will there be like what are all the incentives that by or you could say
like oh it's it's all priced in right everything's priced in um yeah it's like it's like if if we did the 64k thing would there be another Army that's that's buying no shares and then actively reporting every bot that follows us to not hit that you know like bot War essentially it's all priced
in yeah um anyway what's next another one SpaceX fantastic uh yeah the landing with the Chopsticks Landing with the Chopsticks so crazy uh crazy moment very very well timed for elon's brand if if if that had not worked it was there was so much attention on on him given the election
cycle and everything uh but it was just a very um it should be a really uniting you know moment right like hey you know uh America you know is is home to a company that can achieve some a feat that is so unprecedented and and feels you know like it's out of a science fiction movie The other thing that I
thought was funny here was you had for years the meme has been oh you're an investor in SpaceX but you're an investor in this SPV that invested in this SPV that invested in like this fund that bought secondary at like 2x the pref value or whatever but I would imagine that most of those people are
actually making money still um you know even if they overpaid or there was like you know a lot of fees bolted onto these different vehicles um but it's it's been a good year to be a SpaceX investor last it was I guess getting priced at 350 billion most recently um and uh yeah I I'm
interested to see I'm I'm sure there's must be an PO on the on the horizon don't have any insight info there but you know I think the narrative's been they go and start up the Texas Stock Exchange and and can potentially you know bring a lot of I don't know like
Elon ran the ab test with Tesla and it was so brutal being a public company with Tesla like why take it public if he can keep it private as long as possible that's a good point he'll probably keep it private as long as possible especially yeah as long as there continues to be exceptional demand then
nobody can complain know we need liquidity it's well you but really like every single founder should buy starlink like you should never be without solid internet you should always travel with the Rome one it's 50 bucks a month because I was in Yos and the internet was terrible and it was a big hassle we
recorded a video and John was like okay I'm uploading my like 20 minutes video took like four hours it was miserable yeah I actually don't know what the upload speeds are on SpaceX on starlink I think it's probably similar as download but um either way like anything
was better than what we had it was brutal yeah um another one I thought the figma Adobe breakup was pretty Monumental um un's last Gambit her yeah Custer stand that was the most child what is it the child who is not embraced by The Village will burn it will burn it
down to feel its warmth yep that's the um uh yeah I so I felt this one I felt this one personally because almost immediately after it got announced use figma quite a bit and the figma product uh they just rolled out these like absolutely horrific billing practices figma was always a very multiplayer
product you could make something share it with somebody easily they could edit it comment whatever and they immediately rolled out these like billing approaches that were one extremely confusing and basically meant that you if you wanted to share a file with anybody you were
just going to get started you would start to get build yeah for uh for them and it's so such a toxic way to do billing because if I'm creating something and I want to share it with you and you're not like logged in right at that moment it's just very very annoying um but they the $2 billion
acquisition was off they realized they probably needed to two or 3x you know ARR like immediately if they wanted to maintain the sort of narrative that they were a 10 to 20 billion company and so uh I get it from their side but it was just very just like extremely unfortunate um I think a lot of those
billing changes would have probably been rolled out with Adobe Cloud but it was just like such you know Dylan I think uh I don't know it's just the nature of becoming a big company like I don't know that there's any way to avoid that yeah I think it's just like you got to charge
for you got to capture all the value yep I don't know I think uh I think it would have been it would have been jankier with Adobe which is probably the worst thing yep but I don't know but yeah and and again there should be like an entire documentary on Miss uh Miss Khan's era
because I don't know exact we I don't think it's clear exactly why it happened I wrote out a script once I never but the fact that um but the fact that two companies that like that can't just you know make lav is is tragic um defense Tech uh yeah we I mean this was the year of American dynamism Credit
Credit you know as much as AI was a dominant part of the narrative American dynamism felt like it had an equal amount of attention from a meme standpoint law kougan law and credit to Andres for for not necessarily being the first and biggest investors in that category but they certainly coined it
yep and they get a lot of credit for the coinage that's part of cougan law yep um and so yeah I think and he co-founded paler they did the SpaceX series a and then incubated anderl and it's like they didn't come up with the phrase though mogged genius mogged by coinage
genius coin coinages are important yeah so so the three the three major players Andel paler SpaceX all start all all started you know long before American dynamism was um a part of the vernacular y um uh I I thought this was funny you know this has been talked about before a lot of
the valuations over the last year have been like pretty pretty insane you know I portfolio companies that are getting you know multi hundred million dollar valuations with no Revenue yet right it's like very it's a little frothy um and can you imagine what how how much uh
defense tech companies would have loved 0% interest rates like Zer meets hard tech meets American dynamism would have been iconic I hope we get that opportunity in the future uh it'll be great um but yeah this this is a good example like I think um Trey I remember Trey went on a podcast and was basically
talking about how you know the founders fund thesis is a sort of Monopoly driven power law there's one company that captures a majority of uh the returns and that's presumably in defense yep you know hard tech defense that presumably is andril uh I look at a lot of the
defense Tech happen investing happening now and um I I think I've talked about this before but the government actually wants vendor diversity yeah so there is some argument to say hey we actually need more Ander rolls there should be maybe one or two more maybe they maybe
there's a power law Dynamic there where if Ander roll is like a hundred billion dollar company we have another 10 billion dollar company so I think we do need this um Ander roll I think benefits dramatically from a lot of this because there's so many smart teams that are building Cool Tech that just won't
figure out distribution and actually get contracts and will will acquire them and they've already proven that they can be an a m&a Le product development or right where they're like we have the best distribution engine into the into the uh government now we're going to just
Bolton other products to get in there and then there's also uh just like the the adjacencies that andal doesn't you know want to touch like Flock safety yeah great company doing fantastically well kind of like andal for police forces yeah or deterrence the company that that yeah I help get off the ground
you know deterrence is doing something that you know doing high volume energetics manufacturing is not a sexy program of record type opportunity yeah it's not even necessar supply chain yeah it's deeper in the supply chain it's a critical you know critical part of
our defense uh overall but um you know ultimately not not there there are still categories that that andal is not going to go after you know immediately maybe they will long term who knows um but uh plenty of opportunities and and lots of great you know companies like Aon Allen
Control Systems yep um not to uh just talk my own book um but um going on Meme of the year we covered this a little bit um in in our Awards uh trend of the Year meme of the year they're basically the same thing I think I think PG had this one in the bag guys still got it um and
uh founder mode founder mode coinage uh he took something that was kind of obvious knew this idea yeah but no one had ever put a phrase around it yep what is the difference between a Founder Le company and a non founder Le company yeah founder mode and is a very vague post and a lot it faced a lot of
criticism when it was dropped because it it didn't Define it very precisely and that's because it's different for every founder exactly it's very vague but it's still useful still a useful term yeah um one of my favorite moments uh listeners will correct me if I'm wrong here but uh
Frank slutman I don't believe was the actual founder of snowflake was he he joined later as CEO but very much amp it up like he is like brings that founder mode y approach and uh I just thought this was a crazy moment uh when when he announced he was retiring from Snowflake uh they lost 20% of their
market cap in a day they had been previously been a 76 billion company and a month uh roughly a month after the announcement they were $50 billion company um so that's that's founder mode in effect and yeah it was cool to see people like Ryan Peterson I think was it
earlier this year or maybe more than a year ago but Ryan Peterson going back into flexport and now he's doing founder mode meets going direct yep and that strategy is just like killer killer right that's what Alex karp is doing y um that's what Palmer is doing treyer doing in many ways so the winning
formula is founder mode and going direct and that's why uh if you you try to make fun of a Founder for posting a lot on X uh just check yourself because some of the best ever uh are are doing that otherwise like the the big one and um we we're going to cover this later in the
show was um just the foundation model Wars like this was this like constant uh game of of tug and tug of war where literally felt like every other week it was oh anthrop everybody loves anthropic next week everybody's back and and and what that kind of exposed and and you
have to go back and and look there was at one point this year that everybody said the found all the value is going to crew to the foundation models like ignore everything else apps don't matter and then people realized that people were just switching back and forth from
Models all the time and then everybody started to think okay well now the app layer is like what matters and you should focus on the app layer and then then it went back to oh like don't launch an app because open AI is just gonna launch that as like part of Chad gbt and the next you know keynote they
search and so yeah search is a good example right um and all this could just got so spicy with with um you know the perplexity CEO just like constantly shitposting against Sam open AI uh and um you know Elon feuding the whole time in this like very public legal battle um
and uh that's still ongoing um but um but yeah we'll probably cover like the 03 Pro launch uh later in the show acquisition of the Year for me had to be uh Bridge oh yeah so I think that was we you know we talked about this but a non token1 billion do outcome in crypto you
know you had you had coinbase IPO obviously significant but uh to show that there was a second you know sort of regulated crypto business that could be you know acquired by um you know a non- crypto company a tier one company and bridge that know Bridge being it doesn't even feel like they were that
early to stable coins but they were on time and very right right and they built the right product a developer tooling that that stripe clearly saw a lot of value in um so anyways the last thing I would say is we we kind of forgot about this but in in the q1 of this year uh
Tik Tok was getting banned yeah um and there is a law that's passed that should ban Tik Tok say is happening trp overides it and um I thought this Trey post from February 21 was great he said concerned about losing our AI Edge to China ban Tik Tok concerned about AI
safety ban Tik Tok concerned about child mental health ban Tik Tok concerned about trade imbalance with trying to ban Tik Tok it's really not complicated so it was very unfortunate that that wave kind of died down I had bought bant talk.com at the time which um we were going to do with that but it's funny
well the idea at one point was either to make like sort of a like actually just build like a like an organization to more um and and there had already been like internal stuff in Washington pushing this stuff forward but the funnier idea to use it that domain which
I did sell it somebody ended up pay you know buying it for what something close to what I got it for but if you did like a vampire attack on Tik Tok which was like sign in with your Tik Tok account will pull all of your followers and you're following and then we'll like rebuild the app sure somebody could
probably pull that off maybe nikito something like that um and it's just interesting that the um after that movement died down uh true social went public and sword which uh you know maybe that was foreshadowing it certainly was foreshadowing the election it's crazy how much money flowed into that company
just supporting Trump it's wild yeah greatest wealth transfer um yeah I I think it's time to probably get into some DMS in the timeline but um yeah overall felt like I I think this is a year that we're going to remember very long from now huge comeback year uh comeback Year
crypto's back defense is ripping AI is you know completely new paradigm and if you were a GP at a major uh Venture fund you join the government that's true we'll be covering over the next year let's do signal should we jump into some DMS sure do you have them over
there yeah yeah okay let's do it okay so first um before we get into that uh we got some reply guys to cover and this is the first ever double uh reply guy of the week award and it's going to none other than Chris amadon and will God I'm gonna butcher his name stomber stomber stomber
stomber is there an r in there will stomber and Chris amadon yep and these two brothers uh you know not only exemplify brother Behavior but uh have managed to find the perfect balance between being highly active in the comment section and highly active building their business they're building
uh a maritime defense startup Chris is the founder and will recently joined to run Ops uh and these guys are um absolute dogs I will say that um very um very patient very focused uh I can tell they don't have post notifications on so it's not always immediate um but they're
getting into the comment sections that matter uh they're they're engaging with other other reply guys other brothers they are exemplifying the spirit of what it means to be a reply guy and uh they outwork the competition and and patience you know we've seen potential reply guy
the weeks come in get Super Active for 5 days not win and taper off and Chris and will have just been at it honestly for like months now um and so that's exactly what it takes to build a great company um and they have just proven time and time again that they uh they are very deserving of this award so gentlemen um
congratulations congratulations uh probably not the first time you guys win this award I could see either of you winning brother of the week at some point potentially brother of the year who knows we'll be doing the show for a long time and uh you know don't stop we've talked about this before you can
you can win this award twice that's great what else do we have uh okay funny uh meme this wasn't in the DMS but uh Andrea uh posted this and said stemies over demons she said that uh psychedelic psychosis is out and cocaine induced opulence uh is in uh and we don't
support uh hard drugs but we do support stimulants and we do endorse and live a loud opulent uh lifestyle and so loud opulence was loud opulence I would say is going to be the trend of next year I think so so if if um you know going direct or or founder mode was 2024 loud opulence is the year
of 2025 America's back um and uh thank you Andrea uh future brother of the week uh out and um thank you for meing us yeah we really appreciate it let's go to SAR he says started listening to Tech Bros pod in a sea of podcast it has really nailed The Vibes a great blend of
twitch Discord style talk show very online Discord discourse and podcast format thanks for giving us the shout out we really appreciate this I think SAR SAR had to be one of the first 100 accounts I ever followed on X he's very been very not as active as he as he was
you maybe years go but when he posts it breaks through um thank you SAR yeah and I I like that talk show is definitely what we go for um I don't know what he means by Discord style talk show I I I haven't actually seen anything that's like Discord driven I've seen a lot of twitch content um and and a lot of
twitch streamers will pull up tweets and uh there's a couple like lwig is a YouTuber who is also a twitch streamer your live streamer and a lot of times what he'll do is he'll make a 10-minute video about something and he'll just have 10 tabs or 20 tabs open and just flip through them and it's a great
format because he just it it drives like okay he's on to the next thing he's on the next thing and he can just do a one take or he does like a couple takes and it turns out to be a really polished product that feels like a scripted YouTube video but it's really natural
maybe that's how we're we're going to do we're going to have to do a remote episode this week y uh so maybe that's how we do it Shar screen and then just go through and just be like this is the story want we want to tell I really think that uh doing more organization
around our content would be great and being like okay we're breaking down the chat GPT like open AI launch and here are 20 tweets that we're going to go through one at a time and take you through like a narrative on these um as opposed to kind of what we're doing right now which a little more random but
we're always learning we're always getting better so thank you for the yeah it's funny we're we're firm Believers against building in public do not show your Revenue online let people clock it by the car you drive and the watch you wear yes uh but content you're kind of
forced to build in public because sort of iterating Live And and everything is very public so okay Megan Nal says what wine pairing if you're in a warmer climate outside of Palo Alto Screaming Eagle seems a bit heavy for 75 in Miami thanks what would you recommend I mean you can't go wrong with the refreshing
glass of Dom perryon cheers to that Megan enjoy some Dom you can never go wrong no it's great almost every time I I see uh brother Megan's uh post she's just somewhere like somewhere like you know Aspen you know Miami just really like indulging loud the loud opulence lifestyle so I think
this is one of those questions where she already knows the answer and she's just kind of testing us sure uh so Megan why don't you DM us tell us um what you settled on what you settled on because we know you already know the right answer let's go to Bas Baron he's been
on the show before we say if my second mistress is going to my second mistress is going to be so mad at me if I don't get at Tech Bros pod reply guy of the week oh that's a good point well you missed it this week but maybe next week keep up the replies based Baron we love
you uh reply guy of the week is it's it's a it's a duration meets quality Y and we value we value persistence quite a bit so for sure there's other people you know Brody's been very consistent right trip trip has been um phenomenal like you know um and so it doesn't go unnoticed but um it does take some some
sort of concerted long-term effort turn no Noak it's great yeah let's go to Julia black she says fascinating logic from Tech Bros pod I describ the guys of el sugundo in a way they would gladly describe themselves and that made it a hitpiece humbled that John cougan and
Jordie Hayes would devote so much time to discussing such an untimely uninteresting story well got us dead to rights we we both we both enjoyed it and criticized it Hypocrites yeah yeah yeah she got us I spoke with Julia after this uh you know she's she's great uh we you know we
squashed we squashed the beef she was one of the nominees for journalist of the Year technology Brothers journalist of the Year Award nominee she's close uh not by uh you know not by accident so any she's going to be so she's going to be shifting to covering Doge okay uh
starting you know basically now through next year and so I'm actually very excited to see some of the Articles yes so send starts writing so if you're um if you're you know uh exposed to Doge and stuff that's that's sort of uh able to be shared it's not going to be damaging to the movement uh go talk to
Julia yeah let's go to my tech CEO Jason he says La based founder ibed has totally lost it and he replies every Angel's worst nightmare Tech Bros pod would appreciate advice on this topic was this the Jeff woo video uh I don't think that was a Jeff woo video but but
uh I think it was a Founder uh that he was you know founder in his portfolio moved to LA set up shop started taking acting classes and that is just a huge red flag you'd almost rather a Founder um you know it's it's it's basically as bad as a Founder saying that they're going to go to Peru and have a
psychedelic experience so acting classes terrible sign um very rough iasa terrible sign uh I don't know you might want to just write that one off Jason good luck let's go to Signal he says the Eternal technological Pursuit has always been about the commoditization of every
sing single thing that includes the human body mind and soul I mean signal after the 03 launch just went on a generational posting run this is why he was one of the breakout posters of the Year y uh the guy went on absolute Terror so this was in response of that y uh I think that um yeah it was just like
very you know well put uh I think that um commoditization of the human mind I don't know if we have the human soul yet but it feels like uh you know talking with chat gbt doesn't feel far off from talking to a a smart friend right it's not perfect it's not right on everything
can make mistakes but um so do so do all of us yeah pretty wild here let's go to Antonio Garcia Martinez he says I find the AGI alarmism amusing we've been a post scarcity Society for decades 95% of the work we do is invented I.E needless add-ons to food and shelter we will always invent new forms of work making
new products and services to occupy ourselves and compete for status it's a good take I mean uh AI solved chess two decades ago and chess.com is a massive business and also Chess Masters like people like watching human chess players even though they are not the best
compared to Ai and and I and I do think that there's uh something that will be you know around for a very long time around what can a human do in the ring or in this podcast or in this debate format even if an AI could win times out of 10 yeah another another take here that was interesting Sean Frank was
posting that like 60 60 million people still subscrib to cable so even though we have stream Frank says AI is going to replace everyone brother 60 million people pay for cable we got time yeah it's gonna take a long time to roll all this stuff out it's it takes time to implement AI into your organization
there's a lot of risks a lot of legal risks like where does it yeah I think I think the one thing that's obvious if you look at the cell phone you know to to compared to something like cell phone adoption which was dramatic everybody have suddenly having a smart you know
computer in like a personal computer in their pocket it took maybe 15 years to to get to the point where everybody that was participating in modern society had this personal computer in their pocket I don't think it's going to take that long at all now that everybody has that
person computer which is a distribution device for these AI products y I basically think that I don't even know it might people are kind of already interacting with these generative AI products whether they know it or not and so um I think the adoption is is is already basically
happened yep and uh but the impact is going to take decades yeah let's go to Mark andreon he says overheard in Silicon Valley my biggest lesson from the last year is just it's all going to happen all my childhood dreams of space colonies and brain interfaces and Ai and
robots everything is just going to happen and yakine says not only is it going to happen you'll get to play with it in your basement 3D printers soldering the future rocks I like this very optimistic yeah so able to we're able to say that now that it's quote unquote just going to
happen like I think it's a great quote but we're able to say that because many many years ago really smart hardworking Visionary people decided to make it happen yep like you know Elon musk's uh uh keynote the future should look like the future y that was the culmination of of you know two decades
of work to say what you know autonomous cars humanoid robots all these things so our dreams are going to happen but it's because a small number of people decided to make them happen and so if you have a dream don't just expect it to happen yeah it's going to take 20 years it's
going to take 20 years and and be persistent but the best day to start is today let's go to signal again he says it feels like instead of all of us stepping into the future together a few of us are watching our world change on a daily basis while the remaining masses will one day have a startling
realization that the world is radically different this is true I mean there's a lot of people who are like I talk to people people who are outside of tech and they straight up say oh yeah that AI stuff I got to I got to look into that it's like wow it's been like it's funny
years since chg dropped and you're like I'm that's on my to-do list is like figure out if I should use that instead of Google and they don't realize that that for almost everything that you do in life you you could be benefiting from the co-pilot that is yep you know chat BT or whatever your preferred model is y
it's um you know my wife will be like oh have these four ingredients what should I make it's like instantly like cool recipe that that just like takes no real effort to find it just comes out of it's just purely magic so yeah um magic is here it's just not evenly distributed
this is a great take by pavle he says non-technical folks saying software Engineers are cooked it's you guys who are cooked you're going to have X software Engineers competing with everything you're doing now and they're going to be AI turbocharged 7,000 likes and then he follows it up and says um
Engineers were simply doing coding because it's it was the highest leverage use of mental power when that shifts it's not going to all of to all of a sudden shift the hierarchy couldn't agree more I got to hang out uh with pav for a bit at umay holiday party um and
uh he got his takes are as good in person as they are yep online um but uh I would say that he's not necessarily speaking about the low agency software engineer at a big tech company he's speaking about the high agency you know individual contributor engineer who's able to uh you know imagine something
and then create it with code yeah and um yeah it does feel like right now you know somebody this guy is Nat Elias you know that guy so he was talking and he was like he he made some post about how think about how incredible the tools are that are public publicly available for
$30 a month and you have to imagine that there's thousands of tools out there that have been created by software Engineers that are in order of magnitude more impactful and powerful than what's publicly available and nobody knows about them yet so if you're getting like
a robo call and it sounds like a regular salesperson you know and then it's actually you know like some like you know model yeah that person the highest and best use of that tool might not be to sell it as a SAS product it might just be to use it for their business yeah yeah yeah for I mean for a long
time coding was just a proxy for like intelligence and there was a big difference between somebody who doesn't code because they operate at a higher level abstraction they hire software engineers and someone who's just like oh I could never even fathom figuring out
how to code that's a very very different type of person that's a very different level um so Victorio says serious question what should a CS student or any knowledge worker for that matter do at this point even if the model is $2,000 a month it's still cheaper than a graduate
employee what's the plan now and so this is everyone freaking out about 03 and AI displacing software engineering and yeah I mean we just discussed it it's like you know operate at a higher level of abstraction everyone kind of moves up the stack this is this has been the
story of of programming for for decades going from machine code and writing like binary compilers to you know higher level abstraction languages to um you know autofill and auto complete on things to now being able to just um talk to Devon and figure out what you want to do well yeah so all the AI coding
startups are still hiring Engineers Y and so there's clearly plenty of value in what you do the key is if I was you know if I was 21 22 graduating with a computer science degree I would be figuring out how do I use a better than any of my peers and how do I do 20 times the work that a typical college grad
would do because you now have no excuse not to write better code more code faster you know do it all faster and so if you can come in if you can do the job today using these AI tools that that a previous new grad engineer would have been able you know if you can do the job
of 20 new grad Engineers for you plus $2,000 a month Y and you're going to be in a great spot let's go to atlas creatine cycle he says really worried about the amount of X software Engineers turned DJs we going to get out of this tasteless beep boop music too cheap to me
her so funny Alice has been on a tear as well he he said he's been bored uh staying you know with family for the holidays and he's just posting through it love it uh and uh yeah we love to see it there was already a big pipeline of people that were post economic becoming
DJs look at Justin KH um plenty of other examples uh and so yeah I think we're going to see a lot of a lot of software Engineers turned DJs but um maybe beautiful things maybe it's more parties more human interaction less time online more excuse to go and be together but
yeah I'd stick to the Metropolitan Opera and the LA philarmonic instead good to call yeah learn to I think at the violin uh learn and cherto Lulu says building things will become easier and easier getting people to care will become harder and harder and that makes sense that was an entire thesis for open
AI was that in a very crowded internet a very noisy internet they broke through and created a new consumer Internet Brand yeah in and to this day you can stop someone on the street and say where do you go to solve AI problems and they'll just tell you chat gb.com even
though it's a ridiculous name with like all these acronyms it's not like the sexy name people still you know identify it and it became you know just baked into the Zeitgeist and it's interesting there's like this entirely new Behavior where I'm not necessarily wanting to search the internet for
something but I'm wanting to understand something which people historically would use Google to say I want to understand intermittent fasting Y and now you can just go I still I I I oftentimes know I'm going to get a better answer by going to chat gp.com so I'll just go there type that what I'm
looking for into the search bar and so just the value of a new consumer behavior that I don't think people use like I'm going to GPT it yeah but they kind of like you kind of hear that yeah I mean it's just a very different like pathway of like exploring things and
asking follow-up questions and creating tables and ontologies and it's just so nice to be able to say hey break down this New Concept in like different levels of abstraction create a taxonomy for me like what what is yeah the topology of this idea like what what are this what are the super categories the
subcategories and you could get some of that on Wikipedia sometimes but you can just do that for anything yeah um it's been it's been really really fun to learn about all the new things and I find myself just like dropping like weird Arcane knowledge and getting up to
speed like way faster on things like there was somebody who uh was the first person like months ago to ever say the word Vashon constanton to me and and within like three months I'm like clocking like oh that's a card Santos because I've like literally gone from Z to 60 on that and just like become a
watch through YouTube and also through chat gbt but like understanding like okay breakdown all the watch brands break down all the expensive ones all the oldest ones like just all of that it's just so much faster to learn and become an expert in some random category
which is like crack for yeah and you can be like what do AP enthusiasts think about Vashon exactly and then they you can get that summarized really quickly in a way that it's way hard Google yeah um I love ads we got a promoted post from our friend Austin Reef uh CEO of morning
Brew he says my favorite growth hack find business influencers and turn them into your biggest customers and Advocate Advocates it's awesome to see Mr Sharma genuinely loving the talent we source for him at Oceans Talent uh so Austin's one of the owners of ocean Talent they
help you find great offshore employees and he just screenshots HubSpot here which was clearly like a you know NPS style survey and um Nick says uh uh XYZ employee is a beast he's taken on so much and has kept everything running so smooth I'm never not going to not work with him in my life he not only
goes above and beyond what he's asked to do but comes up with new ways to do those things better many times also just coming to me with these ideas in the first place before being asked so uh if you need to hire remote uh employees check out Ocean's Talent uh shoot Austin
in the DM he's pretty responsive Guy and um yeah cool cool example of the product in action that's great let's go to 03 Mike nup who runs Arc prize says 03 is really special and everyone will need to update their intuition about what AI can cannot do while these are still early
days the system shows a genuine increase in intelligence canari by Arc AGI semi-private scores and there's a fantastic chart here by Riley Goodside that shows the progress of the GPT models uh on on Arc score which are these like color based block puzzles um that any human can do no problem but
AGI or AI has struggled with for a long time 03 is a reasoning model the the High version costs $2,000 per solve so it really thinks and it really puts tons and tons of cycles and it's also been fine-tuned on these and so some people were saying oh well if it's fine-tuned it's not that that
good post was thing like they trained on the train set train yeah yeah it is ridiculous but at the same time like there is a difference between a model being able to onot an eval and actually needing the training set like like a human does not even need a training set
to do Arc uh you don't even need to study for it um and so there is something there although a rune is like like basically correct um and that and that this is remarkable and Dylan says uh if you look at this graph and don't feel any existential concern for Humanity you might need to revisit your
priors and uh yeah so I I was texting I think it was Friday night with uh brother madfest uh Jared madfest who uh coined uh too big to fail which is his thesis that uh entrepreneur you know highly technical entrepreneurs that can that are in the thousand pound uh Club
weightlifting just are too big to fail uh so he says Jared says basically Tech used to be this great equalizing Force but now this is a thing and so he's showing the uh the what we just discussed he says paying more doesn't lead to quote unquote more tokens it now leads to quote unquote higher quality
tokens with cost being exponential but value generated per task also potentially being the same so if you're a billionaire with a device running 10,000 10,000 times the inference cost now gives you a god compared to the average guy yep and so right now $1,000 per test gets you basic human
capabilities for most things and worldclass capabilities for a lot more within three years that will be sub 10 cents per task and what does the $1,000 per Tas model look like then um and uh he says inference time compute means money energy and labor all converge on each other so uh and then uh he says
today feels Monumental to me go long feudalism or fascism Al AI smells the end of democracy um so anyways bold bold take from uh brother brother madz um but uh I think that there's a lot there interesting let's go to Aaron Levy he says uh here's a way to think about the
market size of AI us labor costs are 11 trillion if a company pays 2% of headcount expense to get a 10 to 50% productivity gain with AI That's $200 billion the US enterprise software market today is around 150 to2 billion so AI doubles that just in the base case wow yeah yeah this is why this is why
it's a good time to be bullish the end of software was you know a meme in many ways uh a lot of the best AI products are software meets gen so don't be afraid to go build and here's a related post from Adam D'Angelo founder of Kora found uh co-founder of Facebook I
believe uh wild that the 03 results are public and yet the market still isn't pricing in AGI and then Elon says the markets claim to look ahead but mostly look behind AI will ultimately render money meaningless bold by the way I look forward to your deposition on quote
unquote open AI Wow El that's a heavy reply from rep from the from the the biggest I just most popular rep I want them to to be friend let's focus yeah let's focus on the task but yeah I mean it's it's real um yeah 03 I think is still underpriced it's a big deal yeah very very big deal let's go to Aaron
slodov he says why do you an adult technologist believe that a nice programming Benchmark score means AGI fascinating stuff he's always been very anti the idea that AGI is here because he works in the physical world and uh the AI has not been super useful to him
in many ways and there's still a lot of tasks that he AI too but I feel like this this video went couple videos started going viral that these $4,000 uh you know uh robots like you know Factory grade robots have have started to seemingly get yep um some amount of traction so yeah I'm excited
to see what the next year looks like for physical intelligence which is locky Grooms company uh who's building Foundation models for the physical world robots um so and also just like deines you know technology for uh cam programming and like CAD in design and just like what happens if you're if you
have a factory that has some software and you're able to just speed up the development cycle time of every piece of software that you develop or every every stream of tokens that you write um hopefully they move a lot faster hopefully the delivery times are faster
which be great John I gotta jump in here with an exciting promoted post from none other than Ben hilac yeah uh he has two exciting pieces of news that I want to bring here one is that his company Don analytics is hiring again for a backend engineer uh and this was posted I guess
this was posted before 03 launch uh so maybe double check to make sure they're still hiring that person uh but uh he also says they will pay $5,000 to anyone who refers someone that we hire so Brothers if you're hearing this go refer a backend engineer to go work it Don very cool company and Ben is actually
the designer that is responsible for the Jaguar Rebrand so true you get to work with an iconic designer one of the best to ever do it led the Jaguar Rebrand was covered in you know the mainstream media for it and the opportunity to work with somebody that that that can do that
level of um that has that level of taste would just be uh you know opportunity of a lifetime yeah exactly let's go to Jeff bezos's wedding it was reported that he was spending $600 million on his wedding uh and it was he was buying out a sushi restaurant and I was talking somebody
about this and they were like $600 million of sushi like that's all I Sushi uh and Bezos debunked it he said furthermore this whole thing is completely false none of this is happening the old adage don't believe everything you read is even more true today than it ever has been fantastic
yeah I think everybody saw the headline and started running the napkin math and was like even if you were had having 600 guests yeah a million million impossible pretty difficult to do I mean if anybody could figure it out we could um but it'd be like one of one you know one of one thbr you know uh
Kentucky Derby winning racehorse like it would really be the the gift basket at the end rack ran it up you know so very hard to consume $600 million of food in a weekend they just don't make it you can you can stay at a on for 50 Grand a week yeah you know per room yeah so you got
two guests in a room and that's like basically all inclusive so yeah impossible uh the Math's not mathing and it's funny um uh you know Jeff Bezos owner of the Washington Post uh it was it wouldn't have even have been effective for him to publish an article from The Washington Post saying hey by
the way my wedding didn't cost this much he had to go he had to go direct yeah let's go to Oliver classic Lulu win yeah let's go to Oliver he says US Department of m&a for Greenland Panama Canal and other strategic Acquisitions I love it I'm I'm so bullish on the Greenland and
Panama Canal and moon stuff I really hope at least we get one of them it'd be so good I know that's the best part of this is if if this just only leads to one more American you know source of Natural Resources uh econom IC you know dominance uh it vacation destination it
would be uh let's turn Greenland into the world's largest Disneyland yeah I can't wait I mean uh Ken Howry is now the ambassador to Denmark and you know I think he reads pirate wires maybe he'll work on Greenland by the way uh brother uh Pat Blumenthal made a made a post
that went quite viral and uh talking about how we were appointed as uh ambassadors to Monaco and all my least offline friends took it at completely posted the screenshot on Instagram took it totally at face value sending me congrats like this is amazing like I always believed in you I got a bunch of
those so funny uh so anyways Pat thank you for f cre a amazing fake news cycle I got a bunch of messages to go through T people that I won't be moving to Monaco anytime soon maybe the next ccle Once JD's in that would be a great slot for us we could move the studio thees
out to Monaco I think we could do it um I have a good story I don't know if I ever told you this I my uh my parents uh took us on like a a 30-day road trip through Europe when I was 12 and uh maybe I was 10 somewhere in that range and we drove through Monaco we couldn't afford to spend the night there it was
too expensive but we spent like three hours driving through it and my mom said that at one point I stood in the harbor and and was like and I just said out loud these are my people these are my people she's like what are you [ __ ] talking about uh our entire family's income wouldn't run one of these ships
for an hour that's hilarious annual income uh so anyways our we have Monaco in our future definitely this summer and uh hopefully the ambassadorship at some point Let's uh do one more promoted post and we'll close with dark hash this was a toss up uh but I'm going to go for uh
uh post from Hermes I don't know who it was but one of our listeners sent us a saddle from her Hermes Hermes you know started uh making you know very high-end leather saddles and um somebody sent this to us uh if you sent it thank you they said for the tech journalists
listening to the show so if you're a tech journalist we know you love horses if you're shopping for a tech journalist today is Christmas Eve you literally have 12 hours to buy a gift if you don't have something go to your local Hermes store get a saddle pretty much you know gets
this was a this was like a a shot across the bow because we had publicly mentioned a YSL saddle Y and heres has a much richer history in Saddle making and so so maybe this was Sarah H I think so and so this was uh this is a bit of Maya for us I think we got it wrong I think
Aires is the is the obvious choice here Y and uh you know ysl's great but uh if you're trying to convince a mainstream media journalist to stop writing a hitpiece on you you really should spare no expense you're going to expense it anyway so go straight to the top just go straight to the top with the airm saddle
let's CL close with dwares Patel he says we're way more patient in training human employees than AI employees we will spend weeks onboarding a human employee and giving slow detailed feedback but we won't spend just a couple of hours playing around with the prompt that might enable the llm to do the exact
same job but more reliably and quickly than any human I wonder if this partly explains why ai's economic impact has been relatively minor so far so dor Hesh was spending hours tinkering with uh Gemini 2 Google's llm to effectively take his rough transcripts and turn them
into really highly polished transcripts and he finally needed to figure out that he needed to give it a sample of the input and the output and really right out and so his prompt is Big it's really really big but he nailed it and it just works super super well so anyone with a
podcast out there um highly recommend adopting D script it's such a perfect example though right because when you hire a new employee you're committing to 40 hours mentorship weeks uh weekly meetings sometimes it you know I've had times where it's like hey let's meet every single day for your first two
weeks just to fully ramp you or constantly learning by osmosis and the llm just doesn't get that and I would say most people have spent less than an hour hour prompt engineering or like really trying to dial any of this stuff in so this Christmas Eve I don't know if
this will go live today might go live tomorrow might go live the next day uh but uh spend some time prompt engineering give give the gift of dialing in your models to yourself highly recommend it and I think that's a great place to end Merry Christmas everyone Merry Christmas bye