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>> I want to run through the other big tech companies, give them MPAA ratings, and then you can tell me if you agree with my rating or you think you'd give a different rating.
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So for Apple, they have explicitly said, "We don't put adult content on the iOS app store.
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There will never be an adult website with an app on the iOS store."
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I think of Apple as a PG company.
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Like if I gave my phone to a kid, yeah, they could download Candy Crush or something.
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There's probably some rules, but in general, I think of them as very PG. Do you agree with that? >> I I agree.
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>> Uh Microsoft, I call them a G rating because LinkedIn basically has no adult content.
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Yeah, they own Xbox and Call of Duty, but in general, they're so professional that uh if you know, if your if your kid is on a Microsoft property, I feel like it's it's extremely safe. It's basically G-rated. What do you think? I agree.
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Um, Google might earn a PG-13 rating because of Google or because of YouTube.
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There are some videos that aren't appropriate for kids out there.
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Like, you can show off a gun on YouTube, but you can't monetize that content.
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You can't show how to assemble it.
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Actually, uh, the gun YouTubers will cut in between.
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Um, like if they're like, I'm going to put the gun together now.
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They will cut that out of the video.
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So, doesn't show you how to assemble a gun.
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Um, and there is some there's some like mature content.
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Obviously, you can see an R-rated, you know, uh, movie trailer or an R-rated edit from a movie.
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Uh, but in general, I think of Google is like a PG-13 company. What do you think?
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>> Yeah, I think that's right.
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Uh, I think that you maybe don't want, you know, a 13-year-old watching like some skitso conspiracy theory content, right?
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Because maybe they're just not Yeah.
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>> at a point in their life where they can kind of really process >> they can be full skitso.
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>> Maybe they want to get out the red string. >> Yeah.
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Maybe they want to lean in.
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Uh the wild card that I want to debate with you, uh Amazon.
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Amazon is just a it's a Walmart online.
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You know, it's a store and a cloud hosting company. It feels very clean.
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They have Twitch, which they've been going back and forth with.
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There was the whole like, you know, remember the hot >> people have been electrocuting dogs on Twitch.
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>> Yes, there's been crazy stuff on Twitch, but in general, Twitch has been very aggressive about about uh like banning content that's objectionable, and they've kept adult content off of there.
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The weird thing is in Kindle Direct Publishing, they do publish a lot of erotica that is actually NC17 rated. It is adult content.
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Uh now they do limit anything that's illegal.
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>> The key difference is that that is not Andy Jasse writing, you know, creating the feels a little bit different.
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>> It is I I think it is wildly different to say, >> you know, again, we've seen this with streaming platforms like HBO.
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I I knew as a kid, don't look at H.
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My parents were like, just don't >> we're not an HBO family, right?
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They didn't want me to see, you know, the the more adult leaning uh uh like, you know, whatever the the R-rated content uh on >> But if you were to if you were to package up all of Amazon's views on how they view adult content, uh kid content and stuff, would you I would be less I would be more Rated than you than Google.
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I would be less disappointed in OpenAI if they if they're the they let the erotica content be like as part of an app store that were like other developers were building on top of it, >> but this is effectively them creating >> Yeah. >> porn bots, right?
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Because because here so uh uh Bobby in the chat asks, "You guys think we should really quote treat adult users like adults?"
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I think that's like a good framework.
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like a good framework. The issue is like you they're they're clearly going to start with like textbased erotica and then at what point and then once you're it's a slipper slope and then it's like maybe they're doing image generation and then maybe they're doing like they have their stuff happening on Sora and it's
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like >> you just decide as a company like we are going to create porn bots and then you're that that is the path that you choose and it's hard to pull back from that because they're going to have a ton of revenue there's clearly demand for it >> and then >> like you can open up MS Paint draw a naked person, but it just feels well. You don't you don't put that on
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You don't you don't put that on Microsoft, you know, right?
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It's like a different thing.
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So, for uh for Amazon, what's your final rating?
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I put them at NC17, but would you put them at R or would you put them at PG-13?
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Do you think that they go further than Google in terms of like rating overall?
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Just what is the most aggressive piece of their empire?
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I feel like the the Kindle direct publishing stuff does put them in a different category than Google.
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A little bit more edgy, let's say.
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>> Doesn't feel that much different to me because they're just platforms that serve content, but they're not in the content creation business, either of them. >> Okay.
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So, you give them a little bit of pass.
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>> OpenAI will be in the business of creating adult content. >> Sure.
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Uh let's go to X, the everything app.
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Uh everything does that really mean everything? It certainly has.
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Even back in the day of Twitter, uh there was always adult content on Twitter.
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It was cordoned off and not surfaced in the algorithm and it also has content warnings.
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Even when you just go to a profile that's an adult content, >> the cont the content warning feature, by the way, we we don't we don't use that enough.
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It's it's like the best meme.
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>> It gets Yeah, it gets highly abused.
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Uh but but but I do think that uh to the credit of the ex engineers and the Twitter engineers before them, um I have not seen a lot of adult content just randomly pop into my feed.
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I get much more slop of like, have you heard of uh have you ever heard of Mark Zuckerberg?
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Like that's the type of like junk that I get in my feed.
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I don't >> Yeah, I don't get a lot of just like, wow, that's just actually adult content.
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Uh, and so but but still I think like as a platform, Twitter for years has always been more aggressive than YouTube in terms of the type of content that they allow.
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And I would put that in the NC7.
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>> I think what the the change that's happening now is with Gen AI platforms are going from being >> distributors to creators.
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>> Distributors to creators themselves, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fair.
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>> Like your product is creating >> explicit content. >> Yeah.
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It's a big question because it's like are they creating it or is the prompter creating it?
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Because if no one prompts it, it won't create it, right?
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>> If no one uploads it, >> yeah, it's a creative tool. It's a creative tool.
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Yeah, you can make uh you can make that that >> it's a new it's a new technology and so and so we need to have like another discussion about it. What about Meta? What about Instagram?
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>> But here's here's a question.
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Is erotica aligned with OpenAI's mission to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity? >> Not particularly.
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Uh there is a steelman from this from Dean Ball. >> Put the hat on.
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>> Uh Dean Ball says, "If you agreed AGI was around the corner and was going to be an extremely capital inensive race defined by infrastructure, you would want to pump your revenue.
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You would want to pump your revenue and and other relevant KPIs rapidly. This is terrible.
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Uh to keep the capex train rolling.
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So yeah, I mean if you want the max the max revenue to underwrite the max capex until you hit AGI, maybe you want every possible dollar.
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You want the max revenue like because every dollar that you get in revenue is 10 in valuation and a hundred in you know debt covenants right like like actual capital accessibility.
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>> No and I think that >> I I imagine that is their internal justification.
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>> You can still tell the team >> we need to do this >> get every dollar possible.
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>> We need to do this so that we can achieve our mission. >> Yeah.
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And there's going to be uh uh some collateral damage.
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There's going to be a generation of of women that are in love with their phones. >> Yeah.
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I mean, I I think the real the real like economic question is the hit to vibes, the negative 10,000 aura points.
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Is that worth paying for the increased revenue that you can fund raise against? Right?
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Like that's the economic calculus that you should be making if you're like a purely economically rational actor.
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And Sager and Jetty has a really really good take.
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He quote he quoted your post and said chat GPT turning to porn is proof AGI is never coming.
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They are simply recreating the addictive degenerate centers of the internet.
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Soon it will be ads, porn, gambling odds, every the everything app to deracinate you. Deassinate you. That's a good word. I don't know that one.
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I don't know that one. Uh Nate Silver also >> I would say it's very easy for Google to make a decision of like we don't allow you to generate adult content in any of our platforms >> because they have 70ish billion of free
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cash flow that they can finance >> everything's Google while they need to play the next five years like very well in order to >> continue to be dominant uh they're not in a position of desperation, which like getting into doing this feels >> it just feels a little desperate. >> Yeah. Nate Silver broke this down. He >> Yeah.
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Nate Silver broke this down.
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He said, "OpenAI's recent actions don't seem to be consistent with a company that believes AGI is right around the corner.
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If you think the singularity is happening in 6 to 24 months, you preserve brand prestige to draw a more sympathetic reaction from regulators and attract slash retain the best talent rather than getting into erotica for verified adults.
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Instead, they're loosening guard rails in a way that will probably raise more revenues and might attract more capital or justify current valuations.
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They might still be an extremely valuable company as the new meta Google, etc.
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, but it feels more like AI is normal technology. It's a good point.
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Um, uh, Arnand Bertrren said, "Someone asked an AI founder two months ago, what's an example of a decision you've made that is best for the world but not best for winning?"
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The founders's reply, "Well, we haven't put a sex bot in our product yet."
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The name of that founder, Sam Alman, uh, which means that according to himself, he just did something that is worse for the world, but best for winning, which is largely the story of the human race, >> but it's going to be better for the world in the long run.
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>> Much much harder when it becomes costly.
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And ironically, this is exactly how AI itself works.
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Reinforcement learning optimizes for reward and avoids what the environment makes expensive.
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Uh so AI does share our deeper human valuable value. Do whatever wins. [Music]