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You're like the perfect human.
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You're early and you brought coffee.
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Yeah, I I'm a early bird and I was like just like waiting.
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So I was just like I'm going to come early and just see what's up.
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>> What is um What is Hey, is this starting? >> Yeah.
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Oh, why the y'all ain't say nothing? >> Because Okay.
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I don't know when >> Ain't nothing going to change.
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I'll just I don't know what a start and an end is anymore to be honest with you at this point.
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Um and I feel like whenever I see you we pick up where we left off to some degree, but there's a lot of stuff has happened since the last time we did this in front of a camera. That's for sure.
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Yeah, I haven't seen you in so long since 2017.
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Yeah, yeah, whatever it was. 18, 17, something.
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>> That might have been August or September. Yeah, that's right. You came to my house. Mhm. That was a great day.
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Um what's your relationship with sleep like? Oh, I get my sleep. I don't play.
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I'm not a I've always been an early bird.
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But you go to >> I'm out at 8:45. Oh, what we doing? Nothing. I'm going home. Right. To my bed. >> Right.
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I will make out with that pillow. >> Hello, brothers.
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What about when you're on tour though?
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Because how's the adrenaline kick in like or not kick in like it used to be?
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>> cuz I'm not I don't be out late. So Yeah.
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Like you know, go on stage at 9:30. I'm off at 11:00. Shower, eat.
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Depending on the city, say hi to folks.
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So I'm in bed by on the bus like 12:31.
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Wake up around 6:30, 7:00.
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Um could be 8:00 depending on how late, but I'm an early bird. I'm up. I do not be out. Like I do not get FOMO. I I want my bed. Yeah. How's the tour feeling?
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When I saw it, I loved the way the screens were following you around that it MC you at a medium close-up.
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And you know how screens whenever things people put things on screens at big shows are like you show the widest shot possible. It's like no, zoom in.
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>> No, my my thing is and I've done this I tried to I remember when I I the Grammy performance and um I came to them with the idea and I'm with the camera folks saying this.
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I'm like, "Bro, this is not about the crowd.
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People I don't need my performance to be about the crowd reactions or them. This is not about them. This is about me.
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So, when I'm doing the the stage stuff, it's not about them seeing how big the crowd is and all the cell phone lights.
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You need to see me and my facial expressions and my hand movement and all of that on on the screen.
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And here and now we'll show the crowd if they singing a very specific song, but um I think a lot of that I think a lot of that stuff is usually to show the scale of look how many people.
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And it's like, "Well, they can just look and see how many people."
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They want to see the details of your face because you they're so far.
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>> more artistic in the sense that I felt like um And I just copied all my my my my style of uh video stuff around 20 2015 and 2017, I started doing uh these split screen things where like it'll be on this and then it'll just be a close-up of my hand on the other side.
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So, I wanted to bring that back for this tour when it came to the screen stuff.
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>> Yeah, super choreographed.
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It it felt that way anyway, but in a really cool way.
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It was like I'm having two different experiences.
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I can zero in on this moment right here or I can enjoy it from it as an artistic statement on the screen.
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The physicality of it and also just seeing you up there on your own I think we used to seeing you on your own and hearing you on your own now.
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It's been like that for a long time making music on your own.
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The sense of like I need to go into this space and I need to find out what I want to say and get to a place where I'm happy.
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And yes, you collaborate meaningfully with people, but there is a real sense, more than a lot of your peers, that you do this on your own.
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Yeah, it's just me up there.
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Sometimes I do be like, "Man, if I had backup dancers, some of the slack could come off me.
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I could comment like cuz it's more space filled out."
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Um By the way, Glasshouse will be the album for it.
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That definitely, but I I've I've crackhead energy, so it's fine. >> Yeah. It works.
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>> What about when you're making the albums though?
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I'm sure I know you have engineers and people around you, but any of the footage I see and when I went in that one time to hear music with you, I felt like you were very much in your space.
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Does it ever get lonely for you or you just very happy?
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>> No, I prefer alone time. I like being by myself.
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Uh >> You're a loner, right? In a lot of ways.
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I mean, not really It's my One of my ex-girlfriends said I had only child energy.
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Um and I have a sibling but said I have only child energy where I'm like, "Okay, you should You should leave.
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I care about you so much, but I don't want you in I care about you so much, but I don't want you in my house anymore.
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I I need a few days by myself.
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I didn't realize I was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.
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I don't want you to think I hate you, but Um but no, I I made this whole album by myself in a hotel rooms or recorded.
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>> I always think that people always complain about making music on the road, but I can imagine going to a hotel where again there's this unfamiliarity, being able to fire up so easy now workstations, some speakers or whatever, get your mic out and make music.
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What's more fun than that when you're not home, right?
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I mean, that's how I've always been though.
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Like doing this felt no different.
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It actually felt closer to being like 16, yeah, 17 again, just trying stuff and being silly and Yeah. Yeah, like it was fun. It was great.
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>> You can hear it on the record, too, because there's a freedom on this album again which I feel maybe I don't know if you've been searching for it, you certainly earned it through the last few projects of like, "This is how I want to be treated.
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This is how I would like to live my life." >> listen.
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>> this album is like, "I'm going to get back to like whatever the I want."
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>> No, dude, it was being silly, just fun again cuz Cornucopia was so like for me.
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I'm not saying it's the most mature, deep Everyone has different lives.
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But for me, whether it's me talking about my relationship with my hair and how that's affected me or me almost being a father last year or you know, the relationship that I have with my father now.
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Like just so many things that um I decided to dive deep into um after the weight of that got off, I just wanted to be silly again.
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And um if you listen to like the end of Ratatouille and the noise and summer sticky and even uh I hope you find your way home verse just my like like low-key my LA accent just really popped in through there and I was just being silly just having fun again and I was like, oh, for this man, I just want to get back to that.
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No deep album cuts, no slow emotional no this is where my I just want to be fun and say outrageous and say that inside jokes that me and my friends laugh at and just talk big fly Like that was the goal.
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That was the main 100% goal.
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Like I keep on there I keep saying, get your funky ass in that tub, I keep saying that cuz it's this uh funny video Instagram I found of this little girl playing with her doll saying it and it's the funniest thing to me and I'm like, oh, that was the that spirit was the base of the early stuff that I made and it was just fun doing that again and not trying to be good and precious and make the most innovative music. Like, bro, over it.
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No intros, no outros, no bridges.
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Get to the point, get to the hook, get to the verse.
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No beat switches, no I'm over it, bro.
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I think back to I mean by the way Like I'm so I was so over myself when Coconuts came out.
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I was like, I just want to do Cuz when you press play on on Tabernacle Loss, you're like I he talking to me?
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Maybe he's talking to himself.
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Maybe he's having a conversation with himself, like like saying, "Stick to the program here.
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Don't fall into that like if I just No, that.
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It was for I had so much freedom making this I was like, "I want the beats to have four sounds, drums, bass, a synth, whatever the main chord is.
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I don't want no 5-minute, 6-minute thing.
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>> how it was back in the day because that's the only super nerd out that the only had X amount of sample time. >> Exactly. So like doing that, man.
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I got I got room for a loop and a bassline and maybe a stab. >> Exactly, dude. That's where I was at.
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And I I do have a like I dude, I will overproduce a song so crazy, bro.
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Like I'm a and I'm like, "Stop." >> Yeah.
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So that's why this one like I actually had to force myself this I was just like, "Stop."
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Like every I was like, "Drums, good.
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I like to sit That's the melody. Some chords, cool.
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All right, what do I want to say on it?"
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And when I said it, I was like, "I like this." >> Yeah. Done.
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I was not trying to do the like Oh, let me spend 3 years writing this verse.
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It's It's where I'm at right now.
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That shit's fun and it's silly again.
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That's where my spirit is at.
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And I want to wear leather and gyrate.
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So I used to think I was Usher when I was 7 years old.
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Like that My Way album was my So like I really know how to dance.
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So if you look at the I Hate You video, how I'm moving and stuff, and then like it's this random Loiter Squad clip.
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We in Seattle and I'm like shirtless in my boxers and I'm doing these moves.
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And everyone's like, "Oh, that's funny."
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But when you really look at it like my whole career has been like a lot of body movement and stuff like that.
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And I was like, "Oh, this is finally album where I could really just dance for real and just groove and have fun."
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Yeah, I just wanted to make super urgent upbeat Like urgent and upbeat.
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That was my main goal when I started working on this. Just urgent and upbeat. Is it urgent? Is it upbeat?
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If it's slow I was like we need 103 BPM and up. >> Yeah. 11120 is my sweet spot. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sugar is like 120.
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Like this is dude named Fast Eddie. This one record he has.
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Fast Eddie is like house hop stuff. >> Yep.
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Um man, that song is like the illest ill and like rapping so simple over this stuff.
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That's why I was like stop playing with me.
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Like I didn't want to be all lyrical miracle.
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I'm just like uh uh F40 that's the brand new coupe.
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Stuff I do with is what the I do. Caught the plane.
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But the beat is like boom boom ching ching boom boom boom boom ching ching boom boom boom boom boom. Like >> Yeah.
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I was like man, I don't got to be >> Flow. Just be mad chill on it.
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>> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Chromakopia did the job for you and you think it did the job for us cuz from that metric of value, the idea that did did you learn a lot about yourself during the making of that record? >> For Chromakopia? >> Yeah. Oh, 100% dude.
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That man that I started Chromakopia uh 2020 during COVID.
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When I was when we were when I was biking back in my old neighborhoods with my friends and all these memories came up and I start questioning like oh this is home. Why do I feel this?
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And I'm like wait, what is home? >> Mhm.
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Like what is actually home?
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Is it this environment or is home uh does it come from here?
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Everything that I've learned or can you find home going other places and is it really here or is it the familiarity of friends and things like that?
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So I start thinking of home and then I was like what is home?
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When I think about it in the physical sense and I'm like oh it's my mom.
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Being in the house with her. Oh, what does that mean?
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Oh, her telling me little tidbits about life.
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That's why she narrates the album cuz that's home for me.
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And everything she taught me all the things she would say, that's why I put it in before and after some of the songs cuz it's like, ah, listen or I didn't listen and I kind of left the idea home.
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That's why this went bad and then towards the end of the album that's when it like finds that Even at the show for Chromatica, I start on the stage of the duh and then I'll walk across the the bridge and then home pops up right after take your mask off and that's when I start tomorrow.
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That song about just like getting older and all this stuff. Yeah. It's beautiful, man.
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Like when you when you started this maybe somewhere deep down you did figure out that this was kind of the path you were on and it wasn't just about a creative exercise but like you just get to know yourself so much better with every single project and process stuff in your life with every single project and reach these arrival points.
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I mean, that sounds just like life for most people but that's just life for me at my age.
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>> But often we don't get to like we don't get to time stamp it with something and and figure it out in such a condensed environment.
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Like this is the that's bugging me right now. Yeah.
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>> Unless it's like therapy or something like that, it's hard to put context around it.
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So yeah, we're just flowing through this ocean of life trying to and then maybe it'll make sense at the end.
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But like making albums is just like boom, Chromatica. That's what I was on. Yeah.
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No, it I'm I told I said this at one of the shows.
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Might have been Baltimore or Detroit or something but I was like, man, I'm so lucky that um I was going through the records and I was like, yo, it's sick that I get to stamp these moments of my life on these albums where I'm at.
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Um and y'all get to enjoy these things with me and going through the records, I get to look back like, oh, that was that version of me. That's super sweet.
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And I was telling him like, man, whoever out there is making music, please whoever you are at that moment, put that at 100% even if folks ain't with it.
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Some folks don't like Call Me If You Get Lost, Tyler. And that's okay.
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I love that they don't, but that is where I was right then and there.
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That was the time I'm on.
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That's the I cared about, X, Y, and Z.
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And it's beautiful sitting next to Goblin.
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And it's going to be beautiful next to whatever I put out at 50.
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Um cuz it's just real life diaries, man. Yeah.
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>> Even and not just lyrics, just sounds and tempo and like you see where I am with my lingo, my slang.
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If I start sounding like I'm really from the city.
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Like if I sound like I grew up off El Segundo.
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I sound like dancing from Stone Mountain.
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But like you you start hearing like, oh, my appreciation for home and where I grew up with how I annunciate things on Chromakopia and I don't know.
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>> I think the magic of music, I think we've kind of forgotten that a little bit.
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I think we've we're so quick to kind of use music for a lot of different things.
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>> Dude, and then I get if I mention something like, oh, we lost in the I get called old head now.
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I get called like you get called pretentious if you show some type of passion for this thing you genuinely care about and I'm just like, what the are you dumbass on right now, bro?
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Like what is the comment what are we talking about?
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>> Like what are we actually talking about?
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Yeah, we're talking about music and the effects that it has on each other's lives, man, and it's changed my life so much, but I I don't sometimes I don't know if music's listened to in that same way.
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It >> I don't know though.
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By the I When I say I don't know, I actually don't know.
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>> I I do I do worry about it and I also and I also think about the effects it has on artists and and what we can do better to help artists.
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There's an element of Don't Touch the Glasses that that speaks to me on that.
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It's like don't look so deeply into this. Like give me space. >> bro.
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I didn't have to put this album out. Yeah.
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But I'm over I didn't want to be precious.
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I didn't want to spend 3 years and try to be super innovative and like okay, we got to I got to put this album out and make sure this cover comes out at the same time and do this marketing so we get the numbers and we get the perception and this and that, bro.
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I made an album, I was done.
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I want bro, if it wasn't for Kelly and Clancy, bro, I wouldn't have did I was just going to upload that the moment it was done and continue moving on with my life cuz I just wanted it out. >> Mhm.
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And it's so easy to design your own handcuffs, lock yourself up and put the key over there that just turns into pressure.
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Like turns into pressure whether from you or fans X Y and Z and then people end up scared and not putting albums out for 15 years because they feel like they always have to I got to make the most innovative best stuff.
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I got to do do do do and sometimes man, that song is good.
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Just put that out cuz when is 80 years old >> Mhm.
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you really think about to sit here like all this great music on a hard drive and be like, "Oh, he wasn't do do do." it. I'll put it out.
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>> is the most important thing, man.
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And and by the way, execution v perfection those two things do not like each other.
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>> And by the way, everything I just said is probably super hypocritical to some I said 2 weeks ago.
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But the beau- the beauty in it is like my idea on that might change tomorrow.
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I might work on something new and be like, "Oh, I got to spend 5 years on this album and this bridge and get these strings right."
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But where I'm at now, I'm like "Oh my god, I just want to make stuff and put it out like when I was 17 cuz that was just fun and free and wasn't trying to like be. These songs are cool. Here y'all go."
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This all happened in the eyes of the internet for the first time at full speed.
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The internet before was like, "I kind of like it. It's cute."
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Then you guys come along.
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I remember the first time maybe we've talked about this it we haven't. it.
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time anyone ever introduced me to Odd Future, it was through the YouTube videos, nothing to do with the music.
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And I was like, I've never seen it be this raw and this unfiltered and this fun, but also up.
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Like, wow, this is going to be really big.
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And then I heard the songs.
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But the internet felt the same way.
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I thought, oh, I'm just seeing this on the internet.
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I was watching at the same time as everybody else. >> It was new.
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It was new and it didn't grow into the shape that it is now, so we were still figuring out and still living a normal life and stuff.
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I don't know, different time.
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But, yeah, what a great time. >> What a great time.
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I wanted to ask you what one of your favorite memories of that time was.
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We're going to reflect for 2 minutes.
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When you think back to that time, now that now that you're in a transitional period and maturity isn't scary, it's good, what was great about youth?
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Uh I don't really be looking back, but honestly, two things. Um, hm. I did miss the freedom.
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Uh I did miss the There was a freedom that came with just walking around and skating and biking around through LA without always having to look back or you know, keep something on me or have two big guys following me.
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Like, it was a beautiful I don't know, it was just alive with the boys just going wherever.
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And now um I don't know, it's a lot. It's a lot always.
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You know, as soon as I leave here, it's three big with me 24/7. It's a lot.
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>> moments that you ask yourself whether whether you actually need that? >> not complaining.
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It obviously comes with it.
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I'm You just asked the question and I always like to give context cuz we it's so much empathy lost.
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with you but like when I say things like damn like it's a lot that comes with how awesome and beautiful my life is and you ask a question and I give you an answer.
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When I get cut into a clip without the question or context the narrative is like oh I'm just always complaining.
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And I don't I don't like that.
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So every time I say something I love to also frame it before it gets cut out for a clip for clickbait and engagement.
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>> to cut it out like that.
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>> not you but the all the other outlets.
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Tyler complains about being followed and it's like >> But but hang on can I just can I >> being super cuz I I stopped doing print interviews because of that.
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Because things got out of context like the other like three maybe a month ago was doing a super awesome interview and this lady was like do you cook and I'm like are you crazy?
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Like me cook I'm terrible at cooking.
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Why the would I cook when like it's a who loves cooking who's going to do it perfectly.
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I'm not about to sit here and experiment I'm hungry.
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If my house needed painting I'm not about to be on the roof painting.
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I'm going to get the who loves painting who does it perfectly to do the right?
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It was light-hearted and funny. >> Yeah yeah.
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But that does not translate in a text interview.
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>> He has chefs and he thinks he's better than you. >> bro this is so mean. He's so rude. This Yeah.
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I can't believe he just I'm like what the Y'all know me.
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Use context clues y'all know I'm silly and I'm da da da da.
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And I was like oh that's why I don't do those interviews.
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So then I start feeling weird because folks who aren't hit to me you know they might follow a complex they might follow da da da da.
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And every time I get posted it's not me saying oh my god I love DJ Quik I love these corduroys da da da it's the negative >> Mhm.
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that's framed as negative.
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>> you post about context. >> Exactly.
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So, if they follow that and then the the 10 times they see me is just casual people that scroll is me complaining.
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is like, "Bro, this always do do do."
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And I'm like, "Bro, that whole interview I was jerking off on my heroes and talking about how much I love god damn cakes, right?"
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So, that start like having me like, "Fuck, well, I don't even want to do interviews."
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And I'm like, "Oh, that's why all the top don't like doing interviews cuz y'all take out of context and again, want to complain about a conversation.
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Where these people could do that and go live their regular lives and don't know what it feels like that everything that they say is like do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do.
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That's what don't talk about, right?
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That's what don't talk about this.
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>> Like, what y'all talking about?
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It's like there's two different lives going on.
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There's the life you're living and the life that everybody sees and quick fire left and right, Like, bro, y'all be having me hot.
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But, you know, I try to shut the up. I I go do my bro.
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>> Yeah, but I also have a slightly different attitude and I I can cuz I'm on the other side of the table to some degree, but as someone who makes music as well as talks to musicians, I've learned to to sort of I I like trying to draw some attention to the idea of that Oh, I don't I'm not complaining. Like, why not?
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Like, athletes complain all the time about distractions away from what it is that they love to do and no one calls them on it.
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Also, what's interesting to me at award ceremonies is like whenever an artist looks even remotely disappointed that they didn't win something that they wanted and their team, oh, they're so ungrateful.
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Yet, when a team loses a final and the fans are like just crestfallen and the other team is in tears on the ground, everyone's like, "Oh, man, my heart goes out to them."
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is Why do artists like have to like bend to a certain expectation? I don't understand.
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>> Yeah, I don't get it either. the bend, though. Keep being lit. But, it is crazy.
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It's a crazy very crazy time with that in journalism, too. Yeah.
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I want How does that feel for you like where even even the title like is being called journalist and they don't write or actually structure their sentences. >> with somebody.
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He was like, "Are you a journalist?" And I said, "No."
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I don't feel like a journalist at all.
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I'm not a really a particularly critical voice when it comes to us.
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That's a pretty common criticism of me is that I'm not critical enough about music.
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Speak your truth, Right, but that my truth is is that I want art to win.
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Like, if I don't like it, I won't speak to you or I won't play it.
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But I if and I don't have to love it to speak to you.
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I have a hierarchy of what I love.
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And I have music that I want to exist for others and I just think art has had a rough time in my lifetime. A bit. That's super sweet. It's true though, right?
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I just kind of want I just think with all the pressure that's going on around this really simple trade of like I want to make something and share it with you and I hope it helps you.
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It gets really complicated in between. Yeah, I feel that. Damn.
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That gave a lot of context about you.
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So I'm willing to take that criticism cuz I just think like man, music is like saved my life legit. Legit saved my life.
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What was the last piece of music that you heard could be an album, song, or artist, whatever that made you think differently about music? So for me, okay.
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This is about to be some long-winded but obviously I'm been a Clipse fan since August 2002. Loved them down. Loved Malice. Loved Push.
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Especially when they were P, right?
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This album came out um and so far ahead that's a song on there.
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I think it's my favorite now.
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But P says, "They don't know what it is when I'm on it." Mhm.
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But once they figure it out, I don't want it. And that spoke to me.
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Like I was like I've I've had those moments where it's like I'm doing something, I'm wearing something, I like something, and the minute oh, everyone else is on it, someone is like, "Oh, I don't even want But while I was doing it, it's just like, "Oh, what's that? What's this? What's that?
25:28
Is that What car is that? What What is that?"
25:30
And I'm like, "Oh, I don't want it anymore."
25:31
And I've heard P say things like that before, and I was like, "Oh, that's him saying it over like the gospel chords, like and how he's singing it, it was like so uh like so much soul behind it.
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And I was like, "Damn, that hit me."
25:53
Like that's that This that This is gospel music.
25:56
So then I was like, "Huh.
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Wow, that's his real belief, his real moral, his real core."
26:03
So then it made me go back to rest of the album and like listen to what everyone else was saying, and I was like, "Oh, the context and shape of that what everyone is saying shows their character, their beliefs, and their morals."
26:17
And I was like, "Oh, When you do that with music, and they say it with so much conviction, which is just preaching what they believe, their character do that."
26:25
I'm like, "Oh, that's just gospel."
26:29
So then I'm like, "Nigga, this is just a gospel album.
26:34
Take away the religion part that people associate gospel music with. This is just gospel.
26:40
These are preaching their beliefs, this is that.
26:43
So every feature on there, every bar, every line, everything that every person is saying, if you really listen, you can really understand their character, their morals, and their beliefs, whether it's me, Kendrick, Pusha, Malice, P, Solange, whoever the else is on there.
26:55
And I was like, "Oh man, this is really cool.
26:59
I don't think I've ever heard an album that wasn't based in church, based in religion, da da da, Take Away obviously is called Let God Sort Them Out, blah blah blah, but oh, this is like a gospel album.
27:10
So, it made me start even looking at like, what does gospel even mean?
27:14
Is there any other albums, whether it's rock, rap, da da da, that I could consider a gospel album because of that.
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And now I've just been listening to stuff like with with that type of ear.
27:29
And what I'm saying is probably not even has no merit.
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It's probably stupid, but that was just a thought I had in my >> No, it's totally valid.
27:37
And I I hear an enormous amount of religious-related ideology in music without it being specifically religious. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:50
>> Like the relationship I has with God is real. Mhm.
27:54
>> Otherwise, where does it come from? >> Exactly. Exactly.
27:56
Like it comes from somewhere, and to this day, I've been asking questions for 30-plus years, and I'm going to ask you the same question I've asked thousands of times, and I almost guarantee you're going to give me the same answer.
28:07
Do you know where it comes from? Really? No. >> Right.
28:11
>> Just the uni It just be floating like them ideas be They be They be bigger than me.
28:16
That's why it keeps showing up, cuz I know I'm never going to get the answer to that question. Which is awesome.
28:20
And I I actually don't want the answer. >> Neither. It's magic. The for real. It's pure magic.
28:25
What song of any of your songs can you think of, at least one of them, do you not remember really recording at all?
28:34
When you listen back to it, it's almost like you're hearing it like we hear it.
28:37
You're like, that just came from somewhere else. Mhm.
28:45
Damn, I'm trying not to have recentcy bias.
28:48
It's two off the new album if I'm going to say it's or maybe three. Sucker Free. Mhm.
28:55
Um I'll take care of you and tell me what it is.
28:59
Sucker Free is so I'm from Los Angeles, California.
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I'm from Hawthorne and Inglewood.
29:04
I grew up I remember nights my mom would drive through Crenshaw when they would do things on Saturday Sunday nights with all the lowriders and things like that, certain music.
29:16
I remember being young going to her friend's house and Kurupt's first album came out and there was that stench in the air.
29:22
I'm a kid, so I don't know what it is, but as an adult, I knew what it was and they would make pink panties and how they gin and Hennessy and things like that and Los Angeles um a lot of that culture is based on house parties and things like that.
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So, if you watch old like Snoop Dogg Dre videos, it's house party, do do that.
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So, there's certain tempo and dance, things like that.
29:41
I remember getting Balance and Options um in 2000 when it had came out.
29:46
Um I remember seeing the Let's Get Bone video.
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I remember um my older cousin's boyfriend uh going crazy for Street Gospel by Sugar Free.
30:00
I remember when The Last Meal came out and hearing cocaine voice and he was doing the vocoders and all these things.
30:05
Um and when I made Sucker Free it was like, "Oh my god, this is a culmination of just all of those things growing up that is very based in Los Angeles."
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>> DNA related, yeah, yeah.
30:20
Battle Cat to the Zapp and Roger, to all of that just in one and I listen to that and I'm like like, "Oh my gosh, this almost feels like a love letter to being from this place that I think a lot of people don't remember me that that don't associate me associate me with but man I'm from LA down bro and that sound like being a Rottweiler.
30:47
That sound like being at South Bay Galleria.
30:50
That sound like being at Fox Hills where like Oh so getting robbed we got to go to the that sound like being at kickbacks.
30:58
Also on Slauson and Overhill like it just feels like that sunny saturated thing and I don't almost remember making that song like that is past me.
31:08
I love that song so much and then I'll take care of you.
31:16
Dude that just feels like What's that damn show the damn Stranger Things?
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Where the little white girl I think she dead or somebody and she go to the damn coffin and she just like in the air with the headphones like that. Y'all know that scene?
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I think it was a meme or whatever.
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That's Stranger Things right? Bro that feel like that.
31:37
Like that if I was a little white and I was just like flying in the air and like looking like Jesus like That's what that sound like and man I brought them cherry bomb drums back.
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And I had that and I brought the pads in.
31:51
I was like yo I uh This has a bounce when it was just a chord I was like this has a bounce to it.
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I was like I need to make some drums with a bounce.
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I was like damn you know what drums would be sick? The cherry bomb drums.
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This is my favorite drum. That got a bounce to it.
32:06
But then I was like oh no I can't do that cuz you can't sample your own something.
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And I was like oh wait that precious I can sample whatever the I want for my own So I grabbed the drums and I put them there and it got the bounce to it and I was like you know what would be crazy over this? Diamond.
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Diamond from Crawling Mob.
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if she was just over this telling me if this STOP IF YOU I WAS LIKE OOH THAT GOT a bounce and I got another and I put him on there and I'm like what?
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And then with them chords I just kept saying, "I'll take care of you." "I'll take care of you."
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And I was like, "That's it. I'll just put that."
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And I was like, "That's it.
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I'm not putting no rap word.
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Like, that's all that's needed, dude."
32:51
Cuz then you get caught up like, "Oh, it can't be instrumental track. I got to put a verse."
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And it was like, "Nigga, the song is done, bro."
32:58
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. what?
32:59
If you listen to "Looking for Another Pure Love" by Stevie Wonder, listen, second, third verse, out of nowhere, this nigga's like, "Get him, Jeff."
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And this Jeff just come and softly play guitar.
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And this Stevie was like, "I'm not putting a verse right there."
33:11
Listen to "Imaginary Playmates" by Renée Angela. >> Yeah.
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Bro, one of my favorite songs of all time. >> Yep.
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It ain't a second verse on there, It's a that just come and play the synth a little bit, and then they get back to the hook.
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And I'm like, "Bro, I get You get caught up in structure. It's what you make it."
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>> It's whatever you want.
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So, I sampled them drums.
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I put the I said one word.
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We repeated the And I'm like, "You know who the would sound incredible on this? Yebba, Yebba.
33:37
I was like, "Nigga, someone give me a I DM'd her. She in Australia.
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I'm like, 'Nigga, I'm putting some out in 3 weeks cuz I'm about to be done.
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I don't want to do no promo, I need some vocals.'" She sent me some vocals.
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She was like, "I don't think they good enough." Da, da, da.
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I'm like, "The is wrong with you? These good enough." Click. Hung up. Put the in there.
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Got that mixed, mastered.
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Now y'all hear that What's up? That's amazing. That's amazing.
34:00
It's like the most succinct, beautiful description of the making of a song anyone's ever told.
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>> It feels so good when it comes in. Oh my god.
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It's one of my favorite songs on the record for that reason because it also gives me like classic sort of like like deep house vibes, too.
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And then there's >> Bro, it's it's house. It's ghetto. It's so Atlanta.
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I love Atlanta, I be in Atlanta, I be in Atlanta. I love Atlanta, down.
34:21
I be in that That sounds so goddamn That sound like long nails, but it also sound like we in Germany and black leather and looking like vampire.
34:32
That sound like the little the white doing this like going to the sky like that just a mix of everything I love in music.
34:41
And if you think about it, bro, my main thing since my my base of music is hard drums, pretty chords, and like annoying synthesizer that's out of tune.
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That is the base of my music >> one.
34:56
I remember talking to my friend about this and he was like, "Wow, there's so much like progress for Tyler."
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And I was like, "No, go back and listen to the first album.
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He was trying to get there on album one, but he was doing those chords." >> All of it.
35:07
Even if bro, my early And that's when I say early, think he's talking about Bastard when I was like 17, 18 talking that dark Like no, my early from 15 is just super bright.
35:16
That one of the records actually ended up on TikTok.
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This song called Waffle that a lot of folks don't even know it's mine.
35:23
Someone leaked that god damn Bro, this beat right here.
35:32
This is all on TikTok, bro.
35:34
Look at this cover, I was 14, 15 right there. Look at that.
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That's me at 14, 15, bro.
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That that bandana I'm wearing, I cut out my goose bump sheets and was making bandanas from all my colorful sheets and wearing them to school.
35:50
Yo, the artwork is nuts, too.
35:52
It kind of looks almost like a Creed Taylor record or something.
35:54
Like it's got like a old 70s jazz kind of thing. >> That's a great beat.
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Like but this was me at This is me in '05, '06.
36:05
>> Terrible But making like that, right?
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If you listen to Blow Yeah. or Bastard >> Yeah. Boom. Yeah. Yeah. Boom.
36:18
Bro, that is a That was me trying to do a little Earth, Wind & Fire, Quincy Jones joint. So, it's all been there.
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If you take Blow and boyfriend and girlfriend and sucker free like >> Yeah. it's all been there. Like I don't know. I don't know.
36:32
I can talk about music all day, dude. Like I get so excited.
36:34
If y'all y'all probably look back at the footage when I start talking about music my foot start contorting and Like Uh dude.
36:43
Yeah, but I'll take care of you is super special, man.
36:46
That is like it's so romantic.
36:49
Y'all remember like them games like late night like 97, 96 like you play Sonic or like Ridge Racer and the way that the the cities would look like super bright saturated.
37:03
I think they were just trying to copy like the idea Tokyo.
37:04
The beat kind of sounds like that where for some reason the night time sky there is super bright. Like it feels like that.
37:10
It feels like I don't know.
37:14
But speaking of like environment the album to me is like such a LA record because even though you made it on the road because there's moments I feel like it has that saturated sunshine which is almost too bright.
37:22
What blew me away when I moved to LA was like I'm used to New Zealand sunshine which for some reason seems like appropriate.
37:27
And then you move to LA and it's like oh my god sometimes it's so intense. And then at night dark.
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LA is such a dark city at night. >> a desert.
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Folks don't remember that.
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>> bit of sepia light from pole to pole.
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And you need a hoodie with And I don't think you need a hoodie with you, man.
37:46
And I don't think I feel like LA was in my music early on like for most folks, but if you look at the visuals if you look how saturated my videos were.
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They were shot in the daytime.
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Like it was all there because that's like my environment, man.
38:00
That's my temperament and I don't know and that's home and that's why Chromacopia some of the lingo, some of the accents, some of the things I'm talking about, the some of the streets like Chromacopia is home.
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That is Hawthorne for me.
38:16
>> to talk about tell me though the last song on the record because you said something interesting.
38:20
It's a great conversation I thought with you and Daniel.
38:22
I really enjoyed watching that the other day where you and Daniel just kind of like taking the out of each other.
38:26
I mean, you could tell you guys are like super close.
38:29
But But you said, "I'm in a transitional phase right now in my life right now."
38:33
And I thought, "Wow, what a really cool bold statement to make on the record to say, you know, no, I'm I'm going through something Yeah. right now."
38:39
And what did you mean by that statement?
38:42
And And does it relate to that song to some degree I'm not who I was at 19.
38:46
I'm not who I'mma be in 6 months. Yeah.
38:48
Like I'm always I'm in leather right now, bro.
38:53
I love Jordan 4s right now. >> Mhm.
38:57
Love them, The high-top Converse Weapon joints, love them shits, bro. That wasn't my bro.
39:01
Y'all didn't see me in loafers and Chucks for the last 5 years like >> know.
39:07
It's been continental It's been continental bougie for a while.
39:10
>> Listen, I am always changing, always on some other type of timing, and I'm okay with that.
39:14
Like And I'm okay with that.
39:17
Like I'm okay with not being the same I was 6 months ago. I'm so okay with that.
39:20
Like I'm always looking forward. Like I don't look back.
39:24
And granted, like I love music, and I could reference things as that, but like I'm always on that version of me.
39:30
And I talk about it in "Tomorrow" off of Chromakopia, which I cuz, you know, as a artist, some people get attached to a version of you they like or album or a feeling.
39:40
And then when you on something totally different and they dislike it, sometimes it's not even that they actually dislike it.
39:45
I think it just doesn't mirror the version of you that they love.
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And they wanted that feeling again.
39:53
>> So then, 2 3 years later, they're like, "Actually, I like that thing you put out." >> For real.
39:57
He's like, "I'm somewhere else." >> okay, dog. Like Yeah.
39:59
On that "Tomorrow" verse, I was like, "What's gotten into me?"
40:03
No, that ain't the energy.
40:05
And that was me quoting folks.
40:07
It's like, "What's gotten into Tyler?"
40:08
So, "What's gotten into me?"
40:08
No, that ain't the energy.
40:10
That version of T that you knew was a memory. Who is that?
40:15
You get too attached to hear it and feel it.
40:16
My face clear but a few wrinkles on my spirit.
40:19
And by that it's like, dude I have good skin.
40:21
I've obviously aged but like for some folks 2017 me and now, if you glance real quick, I kind of look the same outside of the mustache.
40:33
>> Yeah, congrats by the way. >> thank you.
40:34
It's By the way, y'all me with facial hair is so new. I'm trying.
40:39
This is These have been going the same time.
40:41
Like I'm really trying to figure it out.
40:42
So, all the compliments on the mustache to all y'all. Man, it feels so good.
40:47
I never knew how to do the facial hair thing. Thank you. It's adorable, man.
40:54
But yeah, so like my face is clear but it's a few wrinkles on my spirit.
40:59
Like my spirit is different.
41:02
So, I'm like, now cousin, this ain't no tubbing.
41:04
I don't like cages, I'd rather be flooding.
41:05
Bro, I'm fluid with how I move. So, I don't like cages.
41:10
If I'm water and I'm fluid, I don't want to be in no tub.
41:14
I am You're not going to freeze me and keep me stuck. So, thaw this out.
41:17
I pop out with that oven.
41:19
Tell that new version of me that I'm coming.
41:23
I'm all I am so okay with the future version of me.
41:26
>> spirit as what Pharrell said on the Clipse record.
41:28
Yeah, like I'm so okay with that.
41:31
And then my brodie had another baby, that's like number two.
41:32
My homegirl is not tired, she like 32.
41:35
My homegirl about married, I'm like congrats.
41:38
And then they're sharing photos of these moments, is really cute.
41:41
And all I got is photos of my royalties and some silly suits.
41:42
Like the way I'm thinking about life, like bro, I didn't have multiple businesses, I didn't every dream I had I had so many things that I've done in my 20s to where a certain type of life I never thought of >> Yeah. until now.
41:56
And it's nothing wrong with that, but now I'm at a point in my life where I'm just like, oh man, like bro, am I really about to pop out like have kids?
42:04
Am I going to get like what is that?
42:06
Like now I'm at a place where I'm thinking of people probably think about at 25.
42:11
But again, I've lived a different life. >> Yeah, yeah.
42:13
So, that's where I'm at with it.
42:15
And then um Her little innocent two cents and all I got is mhm.
42:19
Will I flip the switch or finally settle down or go the other way and keep my panties down, huh?
42:24
I'm too paranoid, so I'mma air it out.
42:27
all of that and any pressure that you putting on me, I'mma tear it down.
42:30
And then the hook is don't you wait for me, I'll be fine. >> Mhm.
42:33
And that's me talking to time.
42:33
Like don't wait on me, I will be fine.
42:35
I'm going at my own pace, I'm doing my own because people will feel pressured to I got to have kids or I got to do this or my career got to be here like ah, everyone's doing this, but I'm not doing this and it's like bro, I'm so okay with moving at the pace of Tyler. I'm good.
42:53
Y'all talk chatter this and that.
42:55
I'mma wear my leather and like make a make a album I want to move to in the middle of this tour. It ain't no rules.
43:03
I ain't got to sit and wait 3 years.
43:05
Oh, it's too close to album.
43:05
You can't put album in the middle of your tour.
43:08
I could do whatever the I want to do cuz it is no rules.
43:11
When I'm on my deathbed at 89 years old, >> Yeah, you ain't going to be looking at the rule book.
43:14
I'm not going to be looking at the rule book.
43:15
I'll be looking at the amazing life I had or whatever regrets or whatever the So, that's where I'm at with it. Congrats. Thanks. It's great.
43:23
And I guess I'm in a transitional phase like who knows who the I'm being 6 months.
43:29
Like this tour has really changed me. So crazy.
43:33
>> I've known you a long time and I hope I hope you take this this question within the spirit that it's meant um because I am one.
43:40
And just today you mentioned fatherhood a few times in this conversation.
43:45
You mentioned on the record. Does it scare you? Does it excite you?
43:51
As someone who has experienced one side of it as a child, that experience you went through, and then who you are today and wanting to do it differently and be different.
44:03
What does it mean to you, the idea of fatherhood? Ah, I don't know.
44:06
It's kind of sick like I mean like half of me a piece of me is like, "Nigga, I think I'mma be the rich uncle."
44:14
But another half of me is like which is kind of sick.
44:17
Like some just want to be the rich uncle, cool.
44:20
>> There's nothing wrong with that. I'm going home.
44:22
>> wrong I see you in 2 weeks.
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Like I give them the cool gifts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:28
You get all the good stuff.
44:29
>> Like some of the but then another piece of me is like I don't know. That'd be kind of sick. I guess.
44:35
>> Like just share music with some little and like dress up as a fireman on random Thursdays and go to amusement parks and bike ride and make clothes for them. Like that's ill. Like that's cool.
44:50
And it ain't on no legacy I think nig- be like, "Oh, I want to have a kid for my legacy." It's like No, no, no.
44:54
Cuz he cuz cuz cuz every parent goes through You're going to die.
44:58
Like what are we talking about?
44:59
>> parent goes through ego death. Every single parent.
45:01
They think they don't, but they totally do.
45:02
Like you're like, "Oh, man. Look at you.
45:05
This like I get to impart all this wisdom."
45:08
No, that is going to turn They all reject you. They all reject you.
45:11
Every single time they will go That is going to turn 14 and you. I don't need you. >> tattoo. Like you.
45:20
100% But yeah, that it'll be um a piece of me is like, "Damn. That'd be fly."
45:27
You are considered by a a lot of people as a very original human being and yet you're very very generous in terms of referencing the music you love.
45:34
You love to talk about other people's music.
45:35
You love to say, "Nah, nah, nah.
45:36
I was totally inspired by that.
45:38
I was totally inspired by that."
45:40
Um I've been really kind of uh confused and at times disappointed with modern life's relationship with inspiration and versus plagiarism and this idea that we all have the same notes. Mhm.
45:54
And you know, I I I want to ask smart people about that and people who I admire like yourself about that as a creative and how you kind of walk the line between being inspired by something and then this kind of war on creative. Yeah, dude.
46:09
It's a It's a weird thing cuz Like bro, I'll be so open and loud about the I love and that inspire me and this and that blah blah blah.
46:23
And I think sometimes the problem is it doesn't go through people's filter.
46:29
So then that's when it gets weird like Listen man, this album for example, Don't Tap That Glass I never called it a dance album.
46:35
It's just some that I would love people to dance to. >> Mhm.
46:42
Because it's music that I would want to dance my body to.
46:44
And that's all type of dance music on there.
46:47
Some people hear the idea of dance music and they like, oh it's techno or deep house or it's this certain sound.
46:52
Bro, if you grew up if you grew up with black folk Ring Ring Ring is That's Juvenile. That's exactly, bro.
47:01
Jimmy Like they text me, bro.
47:01
Like this is crazy this is I That's that type of >> Yeah.
47:05
Bro, if you grew up in the south and you know New Orleans bounce, Don't Tap That Glass is New Orleans bounce.
47:12
Like Don't You Worry Baby, that's Atlanta bass. That's Miami bass.
47:15
But some of these folks don't um they didn't grow up coached within that culture.
47:20
So, you know, I'll Take Care of You Someone could say that's a UK jungle record.
47:26
And some people might be like you can't dance to that, but that's dance music.
47:29
Sucker Free, if you grew up in Los Angeles with and Dickies and white tees and Chucks with the blower on them, you know that is a two-step record that Daz Dillinger will you feel me?
47:39
But that's my all my interpretation of dance music.
47:42
Or a music that you could dance to.
47:45
And my take on Sucker Free is you know, that might be a DJ Quik Battle Cat type of thing.
47:54
And that's just inspiration that's going through my filter, my type of thing.
48:00
It would suck if one of them was like, "Hey, bro." Yes.
48:04
That was bro, I would be I would be hurt.
48:07
I I would I wouldn't know I would not know what to do.
48:11
I would I would just be stunned like I love you and you want Yeah. 3 million dollars? >> yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:18
Bro, what so I think when it it has to go through your filter and a lot of folks sometimes it doesn't go through the filter.
48:28
It do be control C control V da da da.
48:32
Um and yeah like I don't know it's such a weird thing dude. It's such a weird thing.
48:37
I don't even know how to speak on it because it's so like like that is the strongest buffest like I work out eat protein gray area. Yeah.
48:48
Yeah and then and and then you got the flip side of that you got this whole AI thing where they're just farming your IP.
48:56
They're just farming your creative and >> Yeah.
49:00
Man, I And be cool with it >> thing man I'm just going to say it. I do not get it.
49:06
This guy sits here on a in a chair in a trade magazine saying music's too hard.
49:12
Everyone should be entitled to make it.
49:13
No one wants to learn how to play an instrument.
49:15
>> Oh that's stupid ass little white boy.
49:16
And then he's holding a bass guitar while he's saying it.
49:18
Like you do understand the paradox here, right?
49:22
>> Like bro, it's so just suck Just be like I like music but I couldn't make it.
49:27
I'm whack but I I was good at coding. Do that bro.
49:29
Don't come over here I can't shoot a free throws. Yeah.
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So I'm not like trying to do the cuz I can't I wasn't naturally born 6 7 foot tall trying to shoot a goddamn ball and it's okay know your place bro. Or try your best.
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Y'all I'm a terrible singer. I suck at singing. I'm poo. I'm wack. I'm not Hold on. I'm not a good singer. But I love it. >> Yeah. And I try my best. >> Yeah.
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Some reason these are my biggest record.
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So I keep doing it out of love.
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I'm not about to sit here and AI my voice or some that I'm not good at.
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I'm going to just keep trying my best and be pure at it.
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There's a at the basketball courts over here in Rucker Park that ain't never going to make it to the league cuz he terrible, but guess what feeds his goddamn soul. >> Loves to play.
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>> That So this ain't about to go AI his bones and wrist to go do the cuz it's like it's okay to kind of suck at bro.
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>> I'm just like leave the arts alone.
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Like this whole idea of like >> arts alone, I want no more potholes and >> right.
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>> It's like the It's like the pi- It's like the old person sitting on the end of the pier fishing, right?
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And the whole idea that you work your whole life just to go be the person on the end of the pier fishing.
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That's me playing a guitar.
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Don't make that easy for me.
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Don't make the stuff I find hard easy for me so I have more time to play the guitar. >> Bro, I feel you. Preaching to the gospel.
50:56
If we put a beat under this what would that be, Gospel.
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I told y'all at 5 minutes to the interview, That'd be gospel. It drives me crazy.
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And I'm And And I have this thing of like no one wants my opinion in this and I'm too on the inside and I need to just let like for progress be progress, but that. And granted, listen.
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Hey, it is some aspects where that is like it when it's a tool used for certain again.
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Like is finding breast cancer like that with the Like oh, that AI doing that. That is incredible, bro.
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Like it's certain where I think that shit's useful.
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Well, it's like y'all going to come to wanting to draw on a snare first like that.
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>> I have When I when when someone asks me to to do my first conversation with somebody who has a number one hit it's undeniable they're going to say to me, "Can you talk to this person?"
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I'm going to be like, just out of fun, see what this is like.
51:49
So, tell me about the making of the song.
51:50
Well, I I put in I I typed in >> Like, what did that >> in Tyler the Creator >> up being?
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and Beyoncé and Justin Vernon and it made the song.
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>> was he How does he perform or she perform?
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I really enjoyed talking to you today.
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You That was one of them I don't know what the other question was I had, so I feel like I got to say that was great. Yeah, it was that.
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What you've been listening to? >> Me? The Clipse on record.
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You've heard the Clipse on album?
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No, I haven't been tapped in with much outside of Clipse right now. That is your favorite.
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>> what that means to me, Do you know what that Do you know what a new Clipse album means to me in 2025? I'm 34, bro.
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They put a new album out with Are you crazy, bro? I am so lucky.
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And before that album came, I was like, I'm so lucky.
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I'm so grateful and lucky that my favorites are still putting out music 20 years later and it's good. And you're on it.
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>> Do you know, dog, what?
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I had Pusha was like, "Yo, y'all in LA?
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I'm shooting videos today."
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He's like, "Yeah, we'll pull up to do that."
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I was like, "All right, cool.
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Y'all be out in 2 minutes."
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And I wasn't even supposed to be in the scene.
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I was just going to get like a shot of them in it.
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By the way, the Stop Playing with Me video It has like four other scenes where I'm performing blue and I'm running and all kinds of but then I just cut that one in the where the the room with the speakers.
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Um But, I wasn't supposed to be in the shot with them.
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I was just going to just get a quick shot with them.
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And was like, "Bro, get in the shot with these bro. Don't be stupid."
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So, I did that and they just stood there.
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We didn't rehearse or nothing. They just stood there.
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I just pressed play and I'm good with body shape and stuff.
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So, I'm just while I'm rapping, I'm watching their arm movements but knowing how to move through them.
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And when I saw it, bro, I was like I told them, "Hey, y'all just look cool. Don't do anything. Just look there."
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And it's so awesome, bro. I love them bro. You know, J. I.
53:54
D says something really cool which I always love to share when in a conversation like this borders on kind of the idea of manifestation from being a fan to a friend to a collaborator and a peer, right?
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And you've been there and are that.
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This idea of Clips hearing you them and you even subconsciously that that is kind of the gravitational pull is that their music changed who you are in an informative point in your life.
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And then as you grow, they they relate to you naturally because they hear a bit of you.
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They hear it in there, man.
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Like for real, like Cuz how else do you explain it?
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How else do you explain you go from the kid who's a fan to the video where it's just amazing. No, it's crazy.
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I mean, it's easy to explain.
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I knew that would happen. But I'm still awesome.
54:42
When you say that, how do What do you mean?
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You knew that would Bro, I was like 11, like, "Oh, I can't wait to work with them.
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It's going to be so sick.
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It's going to be super cool.
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Hell Hath No Fury, I can't wait.
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Re-Up Gang, I can't wait." This and that.
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So, this ain't a shocker to me.
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Like I was 11, like, that's going to happen.
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But at the same time, I'm like, "Wow, this is awesome." I love them.
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They shaped so much of my music and how I approach certain records and that when I when they asked me to be on POV, man, like I'll tell you right now, bro, I don't really get nervous about nothing.
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And that's not me trying to make myself seem holier than thou or nothing.
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I really just be like, "Fuck it."
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and go headfirst with Even if I look crazy, I'm okay with being embarrassed, looking cringe, looking dumb.
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I'm okay with all of that.
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But when Pusha was like, "Yo, hop on this."
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That is one time I was like, "Oh, I got to try to write the best verse I can.
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I don't want to do too much.
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I don't want to do too little.
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Okay, I got to have the right amount of punchlines.
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Okay, I got to do a flow I don't really do.
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Okay, what's the first thing? What's the last one?
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Bro, that verse took me I think 77 times to record. I could not nail it.
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And I was about to text Pusha like, bro, I can't.
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It's not working and I don't want to And I did it one last time and it went through, bro.
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And I swear to God when I did it and listen back, I put my hands up like this.
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I recorded that in Dublin, Ireland. Dublin, Ireland.
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Um on tour in May in May and I'm like, dog.
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Is that the closest you've got to in recent memory where you second-guessed yourself almost out of something?
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Where you got to the point where it's cuz I know you talk about >> even I wouldn't even call it second-guessing.
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>> Like you broke the delusion of it, right?
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>> just the verse just didn't land.
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Like I know when the tone of my something lands.
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I was just like, man, I'd rather not even send no just for the headline of like Tyler the Creator I'd rather just not send no And then and I I nailed it.
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And I knew the verse was cool but I was like, something just not Went to the go take a piss, took a bite of a cookie, came back. Nailed it.
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And nailed it and that was awesome. I'm stupid.
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And like, you got to think, man, me and Lionel and Travis and Jasper like we grew up listening to that.
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So, I'm not with them when the album came out. Um I'm on tour.
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That came out I was in Baltimore.
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We just watched F1 with my boy Damson. Great movie, by the way.
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Um We get out and we listen and the group text going up like They were like, bro, it was crazy.
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Just pressing play and then driving around and hearing your voice on a Clipse album.
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Like, bro, that's I don't think folks know the weight that that really got like Bro, I got Bro, I got I got Grammys, I got whips, I didn't done it all.
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That might be top eight moments of my life.
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So, thank you to Pusha, Malice, P. Y'all, for real. Love y'all down.
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Can you say you love music more today than even when you did when you discovered it for the first time when Oh, it's never it's never changed.
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It's the strong It's like the sun, bro. Love it to this day.
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Nothing more on this earth.
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I can sit here and talk music to y'all on some other for real. Greatest thing on earth. Greatest thing.
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You want to You want to What do What do you want to talk about?
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>> No, you said >> We'll talk about who is So, someone posted Vivian Green other day and I was like, "God damn it, she didn't get her just due." What we talking about?
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Ain't nothing but love number 11 on that first album.
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What are we talking about?
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Y'all know Vivian Green is? Bro, special.
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That whole pocket, though.
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A lot of folks didn't get they due. Her, Van Hunt. >> Mhm.
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So, like so many folks from that pocket. Like, oh. Please.
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Who's around Who's Who's around right now that you want more people to know about that you love? It's a few. It's a few upcoming.
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This kid named Leim, l i i m, he's from New York and he like he I I feel I don't want to compare him to stuff cuz I don't want folks going into that, but it's like Max B Yeah.
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over Stereolab chords, but like you could tell he be with like dirty skaters.
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So, it's this like he's from New York.
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So, it's this it's really cool.
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If y'all check check him out l i m he got some sick he got some cool Um Yeah.
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There's this kid named Q the Hero. Yeah.
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I don't know where this from.
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I think he from Long Beach or he might be from Atlanta.
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Where did you find out about him?
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Bro, I just just it just popped up on my YouTube once. My YouTube thing.
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So, or no, it popped up on my YouTube And he Wait, hold on.
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He got this So, he has a song called Pine Pineful But, he it remind me of when me and Tev and was making stuff when we were 17.
1:00:12
But, he be saying some like you could tell he has a good character. Yeah, yeah.
1:00:15
And some of the beats good chords. I'm like, "Okay." Oh, yeah. The beats lovely.
1:00:22
And then he got songs with his friends and they be saying silly funny that 18-year-olds say and I'm like, "Oh, they not just trying to be cool.
1:00:29
They still have that like youthful spirit to it." So, I'm like, "Awesome. Like, keep at it, kid."
1:00:37
>> this to me if that's all right. >> Yeah, send it.
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Wait, why do you got me here under Is it kid? Yeah, no.
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I have you under small Um him lean um Who else, man?
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It's I have hope for music, y'all.
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Like the next one some of the young kids bro.
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Like, I have a lot of hope for like a lot of these It's it's some out there. Do Madison McFerrin.
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She sings on Don't You Worry.
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Like, she her album is sick, bro. Like, very cool. Um Little Simz is sick.
1:01:13
>> Yeah, the new Little Simz album is beautiful.
1:01:14
Mexico Dro, the Tyla, Nerves by Tynan, that dude's cool.
1:01:18
Have you heard of Those I love? I'll send you that. >> No, send me that. Um I love Salt. Yeah. Love Salt.
1:01:27
It's some stuff out there, man.
1:01:29
It's some It's some folks doing some stuff.
1:01:31
So Yeah, and you worked with Flo, right?
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Yeah, I love dude Flo so He's like my favorite drummer.
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Flo from Salt is my like low-key favorite favorite drummer. >> Yeah, amazing.
1:01:42
>> bro, just give me that kid L'Reeze. Have you heard of him? He's He's He's cool.
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I I'm I'm excited to see what he end up doing, too.
1:01:49
Um It's some kids there, man.
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Man, you know what's been getting me?
1:01:53
A lot of the uh Send this to you.
1:01:58
A lot of the basement Oh, Neo Soul uh and Mike them super cool. 320 is cool.
1:02:06
Um You know who's been getting me? Who's been getting me?
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Um A lot of the basement demos.
1:02:13
If y'all know The Basement, that's like before they popped off, that was DeVante Swing, Timbaland, Missy, Tweet.
1:02:17
Um All that like that Virginia Virginia wine like the Virginia basement.
1:02:23
A lot of their demos are incredible.
1:02:28
I haven't even heard of >> Like it's just stuff that just never really came out that Oh my gosh, it is some stuff.
1:02:35
Some incredible on there where I'm like Oh, I could never make anything this good.
1:02:42
>> the things I love about you the most, man, is that you are such a fan and like like real fans who love a lot of music.
1:02:49
It pisses some people off.
1:02:49
They're like, "No, just like one thing.
1:02:51
Why do you have to like a lot of different things?"
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And I really love the fact that you you really evangelize the power and the beauty of just listening to music.
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>> I just be listening, bro.
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I got You know, I I love it.
1:03:05
I was eating sushi the other day and bro, I think Shazam is one of the greatest inventions of all time.
1:03:11
I was in a restaurant and I couldn't Shazam the Um so I asked waited, "Yo, is there any way possible you could tell me what this song is?" He was like, "Yeah."
1:03:20
So he came back, told me the song.
1:03:22
He's like, "Yeah, you about Yeah, you you you wanted that to sample it, huh?" And I'm like, "Ah, man."
1:03:26
No, I just "You want to listen to the music."
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And I don't know why I got so offended.
1:03:34
And I was like, he didn't mean no harm by it.
1:03:36
>> but it's a bit complicated.
1:03:38
>> why did that offend me so much that he automatically didn't think I just wanted >> I think it's like I think because he just kept you >> think because he just kept you in that frame of who you are as the creator and not as Tyler the fan.
1:03:52
>> a hu- And I was I was like, "Dude, that's kind of whack of me to even be mad. Like, who am I?"
1:03:56
But I was like, "No, it's it's past my ego.
1:03:58
It's like I think my love of music was like offended that he didn't even think that I could just enjoy it.
1:04:07
It had to be like, "Oh, I got to chop this up and have financial gain from it." Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:04:12
That's that you're always working.
1:04:13
That's what it comes down to.
1:04:15
Can I just be off the job?
1:04:17
>> Man, it it was an incredible song.
1:04:17
Wait, I got to see what it was.
1:04:19
Yeah, what was your last one?
1:04:21
I obviously didn't Shazam it.
1:04:22
That's why I didn't >> last one?
1:04:23
What did you Shazam last?
1:04:26
This was mine, Rodriguez.
1:04:28
Only good for conversation. Oh, let me see.
1:04:31
This is the same dude, right? The man.
1:04:32
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy was so weird.
1:04:37
Listen to that groove, man.
1:04:38
Quiet Time to Play by Johnny Gill Oh. was my last Shazam. love Johnny Gill.
1:04:45
Uh man, there's a lot of good in here.
1:04:49
Hey, I got one more question for you cuz otherwise we'll just be here all day and I would love that. >> Adriana Evans. She didn't get her due. Did she keep popping up? But uh yeah.
1:05:00
My wife actually came up with this other day.
1:05:01
She She was cuz she's a fan like I am and and she was like, "Fuck, man.
1:05:05
I feel like every time I put on an album, I get a full creative experience.
1:05:10
Like, it's not just record.
1:05:12
It's there's I get brought into this whole where he's at as a complete artistic experience.
1:05:18
And she was like, "Do you think he'd ever do Would you ever do a tour where you brought it all kind of like what Taylor did with Eras, where you brought all your varying stages of your creative journey together into one thing?"
1:05:30
>> of do that on this tour.
1:05:30
Um when I go home, it's uh my living room. Yeah.
1:05:33
I got my record player there and I go through Yeah, yeah, the Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah.
1:05:40
>> all my albums and put them there and like I'll play three three or so songs from each one.
1:05:44
>> really lean into >> But to really do it, Like stadium >> know, cuz I don't want to dress up as I'm not lying.
1:05:55
Because of where I'm at right now, putting on that Chromakopia outfit, >> Mhm. I I hate it.
1:06:01
And I think it's ill, but like I'm so past that mentally that when I put it on, I'm like, "Oh, this is a costume." Mhm.
1:06:08
Cuz like I know it's a costume, but like that's where I'm I'm at in my life with the did it all, but now that I'm here and it's out and y'all know that, when I put it on, I'm like, "Oh, this feels weird."
1:06:24
>> So, the other night in Brooklyn, it must have been the greatest show you've done in a long time then.
1:06:28
Just for the pure sense of like I'm Yeah, until the next day I had a show in Montreal and I'm like, "Well, I guess I'm the gay dictator tonight."
1:06:38
And like I want to put these leather pants on and ah ah.
1:06:42
But that's why I did the Yeah.
1:06:45
That's why I did a little listening parties where we just dance and just have a good time. >> Yeah, yeah.
1:06:49
That that at least balances out my spirit with what I have to do for work.
1:06:54
And it it warms my heart just seeing people out there just so free and like being silly and looking cringe and looking dumb.
1:07:02
And it's like, "Yeah, we doing this together." Like what's up?
1:07:06
Everyone leaving, sweating, all gross.
1:07:10
Weaves out, shoes gone, and oh, it's awesome. I love it.
1:07:15
Man, it's been really good to spend you know, some time with you today, man.
1:07:19
And I always love seeing you, whether this is all happening or not.
1:07:22
And man, appreciate you as always, brother. >> No, thank you.
1:07:24
And good luck to the editor. I keep looking at y'all.
1:07:26
I realize like I just keep talking to y'all.
1:07:29
I think I'm like, who the is he talking to? Thank you, bro. Give me a Give me a hug. I'll be there.