I get this text with the stem in my phone I'll never forget the moment I like click play and it just came out so clean completely like solo and I was like oh my God I'm so happy to see you I'm so happy to see you you know when we're in the studio you often come up because I'm always so just so curious what you would think about songs there's like a few
people that I think about I'm like what would Max Martin say MH wow what would T Swift say what Z Lo another one I love that man I love that I mean the fact that I even come up in any in any kind of way at all during a creative process is a huge honor to me and I'm such a fan of the way that you've grown and and transformed and stay true to how
you feel in the moment and man you you feel good right now I really do I really really do you know especially like this year um you know like some of this album was written almost as a fantasy about what I wanted to happen because I was in this Co lockdown and I was just dreaming about like connecting with people and traveling and going to shows and music
bringing people together and I think like it really solidified how important those things were to me and then once the lockdowns lifted living it felt even better than I you know could have ever imagined cuz music is a beautiful manifestation tool yeah yeah to speak something into existence and to feel it is to make music wow I'm just going to
write a song about funny a husband and see what happens dope ah do you think did you feel like you'd found the one that that that broke your heart on this album did it feel like it was like a real keeper at that moment in time no honestly but that was okay as well because I think it just made me so much more comfortable with being by myself and so much more
comfortable with um being with my friends and also just with like with people that are coming and going through your life you know like I I just saw such like beauty in all of those moments and I was like okay you know like love exists in many in many many forms and you can feel it in in many different ways you know with someone you just met
five minutes ago you've really capture that on the album it's all experience yeah it's all experience and it and it feels like such an experienced album often people write songs about parties or ideas or relationships or or experiences and it's part it's part personal it's part absorbed and and vicarious I feel like this whole album
is a genuine reflection of the life that you're living right now oh thank you yeah I mean I really like um it meant a lot to me all these ideas you know like like partying as a sort of like almost religious like a spiritual experience um I just felt so grateful you know to be able to be that hot and sweaty feeling on the dance Flor that like rush really
captures I think is um I knew that I needed that moment on the album and I knew that it had to feel genuine and the video couldn't just be like a party video that we shot in LA or whatever you know with like a bunch of extras or whatever we went to Berlin and we just like filmed you and your crew the real deal you know and so I think that I
realized like the kind of rawness and vulnerability in those moments um is so beautiful to me and um yeah I just wanted to like celebrate it what's the come down like fine cuz I don't really do drugs yeah I am I'm too anxious I've like always been too I get really nervous to take like sequel you know so um and that was another thing as well is
I think like growing up I I didn't really have a party phase when I was like you know 18 19 whatever um and then so to start kind of partying at the age of 25 26 for the first time properly in my life I I think part of it was I assumed that wasn't for me because I didn't do drugs and because I wasn't like you know I don't know that just
wasn't my My Vibe for myself I love it when other people do it cuz it makes makes it so much more fun but um but for me personally I'm just like too nervous or whatever and then realizing I think how much for me the that that Euphoria of closing my eyes and like listening to the music and the heat that is what is like the ultimate thing for me and so as
soon as I kind of accepted that that like I I can have as good a time as anyone else I think um and that's okay you know like um allowing myself to be like oh no I really love to party what's really cool about it too is the first time that we ever met understandably so you were making that really important transition from attention into into
Foundation you were like okay I whatever I've got people like it how do I build something off of that and make it substantial and make it meaningful for you yeah and I could tell over time you was sort of getting more and more comfortable with that most artists get to a point of success and then they CH and then the partying is like oh I can't
be out partying like I got to protect this thing but you seem so free right now and comfortable that that I guess the question is like did going out there and immersing yourself in an environment that wasn't judgmental realizing that you're going to be okay whether anyone knows who are or not it's about the experience everyone's having as individuals in a community that it
helped you become more comfortable with the whole picture I think so you know I also I attribute a lot of it to Melbourne really cuz like I don't really party in La um there's no parties in La there's no parties in La um it's the party town with no parties yeah you know I think for me a place where I can go and truly let loose you know what I mean
and like just like actually relax and feel like I understand people and I feel understood it that that also changed the game I think getting to spend more time in Australia yeah yeah for sure I was really happy when you know that you went home and and had that moment and because we spoke about it last time we had a deep conversation or decent conversation
you were it was all remote and um I remember you sort of like talking about how you know you you sort of snuck through like you had to get back there before everything shut down and I guess with some hindsight now that it's home but you're also back out we're all we're all outside um you know how else did that transform you as a person because
most people leave home they don't go back till much much later like the journey the chase carries on for many years right you kind of figured a way to go back yeah I think I sort of like freed myself because I I realized how little I need you know like I think I think just um music is something that I will make for the rest of my life but now
especially more than ever with like the commercial like success of rush for example like um you know it's like probably the um like the biggest song of my career so far numbers wise right and I feel no different because I've been so proud I'm equally as proud of my myi as I am of Rush and so it's like for me I'm getting to do the part that I love and
that's that's what's important to me and then everything else is like cool sick that's awesome and I'm so excited but like it doesn't actually change the way that I feel about myself or what I do or anything like that and so once you realize that no one can really dangle that stuff that they normally dangle in front in front of you where it's like um
oh but you really should be here cuz you might miss out on opportunities or whatever it's like no I'm actually good like I'm I'm all right so I think sort of like that has kind of given the confidence a little bit to to know that I can tap out when I want to re prioritization in a sense of self awareness what's motivating you versus
motivating the identity totally totally there's a big difference right I mean it's pop stum fashion entertainment Joy fun it's all wrapped up into an identity but it doesn't work unless you're able to tap back into the thing that really feeds your soul when I think about it the album and these songs and all of these moments out of the
entire album not a single song is about like going to a fashion show or like you know what I mean like that stuff is so cool but but really I built myself up as a person because I had time in Australia like that that's really when I felt like I was kind of growing and so um yeah I just kind of I feel like I sort of just know what I want what's an artist's life
in Australia like because let me let me let me qualify what artist life the first half of that question is for people who are listening and don't understand what I mean um an artist's life is something that moves as in when you need to and ultimately you create from a place of purpose and it's a full-time life because you're always absorbing and
always translating and always figuring out where the magic is and how you can tap into it but it's not a N9 to-5 job you don't you don't have to get up you have to go do anything if you don't want to ultimately you can build a world for yourself where you are kind of a student of life you know you're figuring things out and just trying to turn it into
music so I know that's hard life in La cuz people try to turn it into a 9 to5 job but I'd imagine in somewhere like Melbourne it's a pretty amazing idealic kind of place to tap in and tap out it really is you know I I mean like I worked so much with Styles Fuego on this album who's based out of Melbourne and I love him so much um and so yeah
for me you know it's like my friends all go to work during the week 9 to5 and and um so I have a lot of time to kind of either ride my bike around Melbourne go to the pool like you know just like go for breakfast and then I ride my bike to South Melbourne to the studio and and we make stuff and um and I feel totally like at peace and fulfilled in those
moments awesome Choice it's so good I love it um this song that is uh you know the the all important followup to rush is like uh you liked Rush all right cool um it's such a Crusher look it's it's one thing to go into you know the legacy of music and pick something that made you feel something when you were a kid and wonder if you can add something
to it it's another thing to actually succeed and the bag raid is I mean that lick hasn't been heard by anywhere anyone else except bag Raiders yeah it's like you're the first person to get your hands on it and they made me aware of that no they were like by the way we've had hundreds of requests and we've never said yes so don't this up and
I was like I promise you I'm going to make a video it's going to be sick like I'm I really believe in this and and I also I think it's tacky when people um sample something like out of term you know what I mean and I really really really didn't want to do that and I wouldn't be doing this if I felt like that's what I was doing you know it was
it was not it was not um it was something that came in the studio naturally I started singing the the sample laughing because I was like there's no way that they're ever going to let me do this but um you got the worst demoitis in the world nowal and I was like there's now we kind of have no choice because I've been living with the demo it was one of the
first songs that we wrote for the album and um it just stuck around it was like always on did you lay down the riv vocally over it to give yourself a like a sense while we were in the studio yeah I texted my anr from Australia and obviously because we're all Australians it was like within 20 minutes he had reached them and I get this text with
the stem in my phone I'll never forget the moment I like click play and it just came out so clean completely like solo and I was like oh my God and we put it in and it worked and I was just like hell been emotional it was it really really was especially like there's this sort of reprise when the synth comes back at the end in the video when I'm like you know being pulled up
the building it's amazing and there's this new like drum pattern and to me it it was perfect it was the like the euphoric moment that of that total like freedom of realizing that you're completely like fine on your own and that also this is not a moment of like sadness but a moment of endless possibility endless that's the album to
me yeah the album to me is um we hear a lot of heartbreak albums and we hear a lot of in love albums it's rare that you get an album that so perfectly sums up what it is to reach the end of that M climb MH where everything opens up again and you realize that all that stuff is over the hill behind you yeah and it's just wide open yeah and I had a lot of
friends have that conversation with me when I was going through my breakup you know like oh but you know you're going to be okay and there's so many people out there we just care we just want to say the right thing and it's hard to hear it at the time and you know you kind of it feels dis genuine right cuz you don't believe it exactly right and
then I lived it and it was this journey that took way longer than than I thought it was going to way longer than it probably should have um but I lived it and and it just felt so mindblowing to me that that they were right and so in a way I almost want the album to serve as like me having that conversation with everyone else as being like girl I
promise you it does dude I you know as soon as you hear it you're like oh it's going to be fine dude it's going to be just fine don't worry about it you know what I mean totally it's so sick man I love it track one on the album which I wanted you know it was like we have to just go and slap them across the B and be like wake up oh and
it's so authentically dirt dirty and dingy and windowless and dark with one single like white strobe light and 40 and like 150 people that's the CL that you want to go toids don't know about that life anymore they don't really know about those clubs anymore right those clubs like existed back in the day and they still exist at certain parts of the
world you got to hunt him down though there's places where you walk in you're like I don't even know where I'm going this Corridor is so dark and then all of a sudden the rumble reveals itself to full sound system and it's just a white light yeah no I think that's something about like Berlin party culture that's that's Rush is to me it sounds like that
well yeah we went and made the video there because of that exact reason and you know like the idea that there's no phones allowed it's like it's not about any of that bunker it's like go and Release Yourself you know what I mean yeah I love it what did you learn about yourself through the latest experience of of of finding and losing
someone you care about um coming through the other side with an incredible album if we could just park the music for a second and speak about the internal conversation what did you take from that experience that's going to make you stronger and better do you think in the future I mean so much so so much it was a rough ride you know with a lot of
um ups and downs for sure and it's been a really long ride and I think that you said something interesting sorry to cut you off but you said longer than it probably should have and when you said that I immediately thought that the person who left you unlocked other things that probably aren't even directly related to that person it just it brought up other stuff I think so and
you know I think just also like I I don't know untangling yourself from from someone it felt like this big bowl of just like knotted wool or something like that and um it just took a really really really long time to to kind of like slowly but surely and and it's still something that I think I think about a lot I think it's something
that I'll carry with me for the rest of my life that relationship you know like I I'm really grateful for it and I'm really grateful for everything now you know like the good and the not so good and um I am really proud of him and really proud of myself and like you know I I think only really in the last like couple of months honestly have I felt
truly truly truly like on the other side of it you know and and that was something that was important to me to reflect in the music as well was like it's not this like you know idic situation where like one day you wake up and you're like oh my God I'm single and everything's amazing it's like a journey you know and and um you'll have these random moments where you snap back
and and whatever and there's a song on the album called still got it I was going to talk about that that's the one that screams to me about that yeah it's like one of my favorite songs on the album and it's basically just about seeing that person being like Oh my God damn you still have every single thing that made me fall in love with you in
the first place it's all still there and and on top of it now you've got all this history and all of this these jokes and whatever and like one of the hardest things in the world through the breakup was feeling like I had to stop myself from from connecting with this person that I just adore you know what I meanelf totally and now only maybe
that's why I've been feeling so much better like over the last couple months is because only really truly having felt like I've done all of the work now can I allow some of that relationship to come my life beautiful it's like a big sense of relief what a relief I mean I've I mean look if you go through a significant heartache in your life and you do the work and they do the
work and it works out the way it's working out for you you will have that EXP experience where it's like okay cuz it you're right when you get over the hurt and the pain and the anger and the frustration the resentment then a certain sense of kind of fear kicks in that I'm not going to have that ex that that person in my life and to your point
it's way more than just that era of romantic interaction and connection it is the jokes yeah it is the thing that they can say to you no one else can ever fill that Gap totally it's it's so sad when you lose that in your life well that's the thing I I got to the point where I was like it is so much more painful for me to pretend that this
person is dead than it is to like allow them in in a capacity that feels scary because you're letting them back in at all yeah but I would much rather feel that fear yeah and have some sort of yeah like acknowledgement that it even happened you know what I mean there was a period where I was like oh no I I have have to completely like
block that out and pretend like it never happened and and and pretend like it didn't exist and that was like that was the when I was my saddest I think you know yeah I mean apart from he didn't die but but but but he kind of did in a way for a period for a period you know it's one of the first things you learn when you have your heartbroken is when
your friends just be like you are not friends for a while yeah and more often than not the person who's doing the braking is desperate to do the repairing it just needs to go through the process it has to and if you're lucky if you're trusted and you take the risk you take the shot you have faith you come through and you get to have equal say over how
the repair happens and that is the true Joy of of redefining that relationship man completely congratulations that's a beautiful thing and you've got an incredible album out of I know that's a slay like I'm like okay thank you for that that's at least one thing like let me make some money off of this have you play the album for this
person um I've been I've been sending him stuff like periodically or whatever if it concerns him yeah you know like is that a courtesy move as for sure yeah yeah you know I I never want to like um I don't know pull the rug out from someone's feet and yeah um yeah so I I kind of always do that like if something is very explicitly about someone that
that I think maybe people will figure out that it's about them I'm like hey just so you know this is something that I've written I haven't ever had someone say like don't put that out and I don't know what I would do in that situation that means you're a great writer okay nice thanks um I mean it's true you know I mean laziness is a you know specific
sort of um detail about somebody in a situation that you don't like is a form of lazy writing at times I think it's like it's either it's either vindictiveness or it's lazy either way you're in trouble you and that was the thing was like I really you know like on still got it for example that was one of the moments where I am like it sounds so corny but where I
really really believe in like the magic of songwriting because like I don't feel like like I've never written a song in that that process before I just wrote this sort of like paragraph in my phone and then made it work you know like Melody and timing wise and everything afterwards and made it Rhyme or whatever and and also I really love coming into a
song without a concrete understanding of the way that I feel about the situation like I'm not making a I'm not making a decision I'm not even trying to make a statement cuz I don't know yet you know I'm just like let me just let me just get this out and and it's such a it's such a nice feeling when it happens you know yeah it really is it is Magic and I
was talking to Alexis French about this just before about the intangible nature of that relationship between art and artist um that space that we're all trying to better understand monetize control Market distribute release it just it inherently rejects all of those terms right because you're absorbing all the time mhm I mean dude I I'll give you
a quick personal example right because this is a conversation not an interview um so so you know I'm going through a thing with my with my mom right now which is requiring me to grieve to some degree while she's alive and it's so mad I will feel like the grief is coming up long before I'm willing to acknowledge it and I used to just resist that for
like weeks until eventually I had to walk up the road and just like let it all out right now I'm like oh I know where this feeling is I know where it's coming from now if I was a writer I'm searching for ways to translate that before I even really acknowledge it it's like it's so the space is so minute toally totally it's wild man yeah no and
and you sometimes you surprise yourself and you're like oh I didn't know that that's what I felt you know like um and it's really nice to be able to like talk to yourself in that way you know what I mean and just kind of like ruminate on things and you know I used to write a journal when I was a kid um and I haven't done it in years and it's it's
the same feeling of just letting your mind go and it's not for anyone else it's just for you you don't have to know what you think you don't have to know what you're feeling you just kind of go and by the end if you've done it right or if you've like you know really Let Yourself Go you end up with something that feels like the experience or feels
like how you feel you know and it's like it's got all of the nuance and all of you know like for example in still got it or can't go back baby which are really like the two sort of like sad ballad songs on the album um I have so many emotions I I'm angry I'm sad I'm heartbroken I feel deep care I feel adoration I feel love I'm like it's all
there and trying to come into it with like a concept or something of like with a bunch of Pop writers in the room like there's no way no there's no way because it just would have been a version of yourself that isn't authentic I mean the end of the day to your point we are having conversations with ourselves all the time selfawareness is something that
is a consistent lifelong journey you trying to refine it at all times and I do think the artarts and I do think whether it's canvas work sculpturing or sculpturing you know or sculpting I should say or or writing or or journaling novinger you know I I I think to your point it is the closest you can get to having a conversation with yourself and
uncovering the things that if left alone could fester and be dangerous MH you know it's a beautiful thing and I mean people always say this all the time but like I guess another version of it is like therapy but but I find it even more um like personal because with therapy I really only have my words and then therap is like personal
training right yeah and then in music got like you've got Melody you've got production yeah you've got like sound effects you've got vocal production you've got your vocal dude sometimes I listen to radio H records I listen to Tom York right is a good example of this there's many examples of this and I listen to something he's saying which
really to me isn't actually anything that's particularly deep but the way he's singing it and the way the music is relating to it I'm in pieces yeah no and that's the thing about like I can't really think of another you know art is is the only way that I can think of how to communicate a full feeling you know you can tell someone how you feel and you can you
know show them how you feel but like to actually pass the feeling to somebody else music is such a rich way to be able to do that because you've got there's so many layers to it you know what I mean and and so many you know opportunities to to kind of like really really create that emotion again for it's the perfect trade between self- serving and a gift
for others perfect trade it's like I love you for this music well I love me for this music yeah toally totally you know um man life is so good for you not just within the music and we're going to come back to the album but let's just take a beat for a second and um talk about some of the other things you've been that you've been focused on um
deciding to to take what inspires you and turn it into something that is tangible smell yeah touch yeah feel feeling right things that feel good on the skin how has that building this this up and and and announcing this and getting ready to be in this business what has been the most rewarding part of that well so I started a a Lifestyle
brand called suang which means to long years in Yiddish um love that it's the language that my grandma spoke and it's like sort of this language that's been in my family and was it a phrase that kicked around when you were a kid yeah so I mean we like I grew up not really knowing what was a yish phrase what was a Hebrew phrase what was an Africans
phrase like it's just kind of like family words is the way that I thought about it you know um but yeah it was it was always just kind of in the house yeah and um it's something you know smell has been something I've cared about so much my entire life and and home I think that my love for home like I was that kid that would call his mom
and be like Mom can you come pick me up from the sleepover at 2: a.m. I was just like obsessed with my family I was obsessed with my house I didn't ever want to leave I think the first time I ever like successfully slept out this is so embarrassing was when I was 17 when I went to go see Emi about signing my record deal um and it was my first time
going by myself crazy that's not embarrassing at all I think it's I think it's really sweet and by the way we know we we think that like rejection of the family yeah it's an important part of identity creation but dude it's like that's that's your safe space that's where the people know you best are totally exactly right um I think it got exacerbated then when I when I
started traveling um I was loving traveling but I always have heard this like anyone who knows me knows that I have this deep deep longing to be with my family and be in Australia and and have a place that I can call my own and I can express myself through and um and then I sort of created that in my house in Melbourne and um and I just want to
share what I think a home feels like you know it smells like food cooking in the kitchen plus then one of our beautiful candles was burning and and so um yeah I I also then was really particular about like how was I going to do this this is the most personal thing in the world how do I make this what I actually want and um a vagina candle right exactly
yeah there was all these kind of like companies that were approaching and and um it just didn't feel like genuine to me it didn't feel like the way that I wanted to do it and so um yeah because what they're doing in my opinion is they is with the best of intentions prioritizing what you mean to it versus what it is totally right completely and
then my brother approached me and he was like want to do this with you if if you still want to do it and I was like are you kidding me yeah let's let's go so we literally have been running it as if like completely none of the music has ever happened imagine imagine that um we we run it out of like my house and and um my parents have been like helping
with little things you know like helping us pack boxes and stuff like that it's like it really really really feels exactly how I want it to feel and and you know getting to express myself in this in this way and you know be the creative director role has been so satisfying and um yeah it's just been like a completely new experience it's
been so fun I'm so happy for you look it's I think when you become someone to somebody doing something it's easy for others to feel like you should do everything I think you have to be really careful and selective how you do that um that's why I'm the biggest fans of the people that always do things like Tyler he'll do tons of things but he always
comes back to music yeah always comes back to that room in the corridor of his entire world totally and the music room is full mhm and I love that and I think this is one of those things that like I see people Branch out do things all the time I'm like chicken I'm not sure but like with you it just makes total sense a because I've seen the ad piece on your
house and like congratulations on having exceptional taste thank you very much and I know it's a weird thing to say it's almost a Zoolander level comment but it genuinely is like congratulations on having great tastey house is sick thank you it just makes sense it just makes sense and you must you must say no to things all the time like I know I do and I said no to
this because I was like that doesn't feel right yet you know like if we're going to do this it has to be made in Australia like all of these things that are so important to me um it has to feel like that and and I didn't know I didn't think it was possible to recreate that in like you know some in Melbourne yeah exactly um and so it's sort of reminds
me of like the Rush video or something where I was like yeah we could fake it like we could make that in LA or whatever and and it could be could be you know we could try and make it look like this but why don't we just go get the real thing it's Al it's also Better Business it's much it's much cheaper to do a more authentic video and it's much
cheaper to make it about your family and about where you live and to do it from home and to make it real and make it you people will then really invest in it cuz they're like you well yeah also I think it just like it's not the easy route that's the that's the the hard thing I think is like you know going to Berlin or to Bangkok to make these music videos
it's like I attribute these videos to the team of people that I've been working on on them you know like I think about this one example of the main sort of dancer in the rush video the one that joins you first yeah Morrow he's so incredible and he's just finished University and he was like looking for a job when we made the Rush video um doing
like Commerce or something like that and then I see him in Bangkok for the got me startup video and we're all on this crazy journey together and he's like by the way I'm full-time dancing now like from from The Rush video and I almost started crying because I'm like damn this whole team of people they all gave so much for me to be able to slap my
name on at the end but these like this is this is a team of people who will go to the ends of the Earth to make the best thing that we can possibly make which is why they're now doing awesome on their own terms it's been like such a joy I've had as much fun making the visuals as I have making the album and that was something that was like a
rule I was like whatever we do it has to be fun well it has to have connection too from the album artwork to the subject matter of the music to the sense that you are finding freedom and reconnection with people that make you feel good about yourself to the videos and everything else it's just really about connection yeah exactly it totally
is and and I felt like completely intoxicated the entire time not literally I mean sometimes literally but like but I was just I was having the best time like I did some really annoying I'm sure for my label like I went to Barcelona to make the album booklet that's in the deluxe version because I was working with a design team over there that I love called Quita
and I was in Barcelona for like 3 days working with them on on building and like riding my bike to their Design Studio every day and like going out at night and just like it's been a joy a total Joy from day one well I applaud you you know I think I think we all try and find ways to cut costs because we think it's going to help in the long in
the long run it's actually a short-term win and a long-term loss and also the weird thing is it's often cheaper I travel very I don't have like an Entourage or anything like that like I am by myself in Barcelona going on my bike to I I kind of realized what I wanted which was you know I'm okay to go by myself but I want to be in these beautiful places being inspired by
beautiful people and and I was kind of like living really cheaply and whatever and I just wanted to do it so I did it none of this feels like a job it used to to be honest in the beginning I would just it would be a laundry list of people that talked about music and it felt very promotional now like we don't do this unless it's like oh I can't wait
to get into all of it yeah um but that being said You know despite the fact that I can I admire what the environment anybody's in through their art and where they are in their life I got to say Troy you figured this out like you've come through this tough time and I think I see I keep using this word free there's a freedom to the way that you're
working and moving and combining it all it's not like home is here and work is here it's like no I can I can make it all one thing yeah that's the goal I I got to say like I think it's interesting now to be promoting this music because um that has been true and it's still true but I also realize now I'm I'm about to enter a new phase I
should probably start writing again because I'm like okay Freedom can be lonely as well you know and it's like I think there's still this sort of deep desire to um to settle somewhere with someone you know and so now I'm kind of like entering that phase but this this album is like it's already kind of serving as this time capsule of this
like completely fulfilled erratic Freedom it's a beautiful placeholder for what is still the ultimate goal but then it's interesting cuz I kind of saw this coming and the last song on the album had a stay with you yeah I love that song It Ends really open-ended and and it's very very clear that like um you know the the final lyric is starting
again when I got all I wanted starting to feel a little bit despondent and it kind of just Fades out and so you've had this big journey of this crazy album of like partying and whatever and meeting all these people and stuff like that and then you're still kind of on your own at the end of the day and that can be beautiful but it can also be kind of
lonely sometimes well what we probably do hopefully not to try to get too deep about it but it will probably enable you to to be better prepared for the next relationship you have because it won't be so all or nothing yeah you know who you are totally that's the thing that is one thing as as nice as it would be to find whatever I'm looking for I know
that I don't need it like you know they would have to be really funny and cool and hang with my be able to hang with my friends and be you know as inspiring to me as the people in my life are you know you've got this beautiful body of work the start to finish album which in a way could be you could play this album start to finish it feels
conceptual almost to me well yeah when we were writing it I at the very beginning I saw Janet Jackson at the bowl and I that show changed my life um and I was just like I had a moment where I was like oh my God this is where everyone learned everything like she is the blueprint literally um as far as pop stars go she's it to me yeah well I mean again her and jam Lewis just got
together and and they just pushed her and she pushed herself for the truth and the song Sound still fresh like so fresh it's crazy and the drums are so loud those jam and Lewis drums are like it's so hot and the visuals on top of it were just like I don't know everything about her to me the corio like she's just she's everything um but I saw that
show and I love the Hollywood Bowl um so much and I saw you know tamon paror there and Ne from Perth I don't know that venue is so inspiring to me and and so Leland my co-writer who's like also my best friend anytime Oscar gorz or whoever we were working with would start playing like a chord that felt right or a drum pattern that felt right we would
look at each other and be like Hollywood Bowl Hollywood Bow and obviously it's like this farfetched dream I'm not saying stop with that I've I've read you said that recently before no but like I'm not I'm not that's not even necessarily the goal you know what I mean like that would be really really cool but it's not what I'm saying do
that I know hold that thought but let me just get in your head for a second you can sell out the Bowl bro I don't care like I don't know yes you do you do care deeply maybe I do you totally do one day one day whatever anyways I'll see you next year I live around the corner so um you know that was we we essentially did write the album as like a live show you know when
when I think about the show um or when I think about the album and moments that it's missing I would be like oh well you know the show needs this and so we we you know we've been talking for years about like wanting to write a musical or something together and um and I think that this sort of in moments kind of felt like that where we were like okay
what does what does the show need dude dude dude dude dude dude it's so crazy right it's so crazy cu the way the bow St the bow stage is set up it it kind of throws a lot of people people off if people are watching this or listening to this just look it up while you're listening or watching it you'll see the whole image of it it throws people off
because it feels like a Bandstand it feels like an orchestral environment right but I've seen the right people do it go in there and they turn it into their environment they use it as an infrastructure to me that's a nightclub you could totally create an environment exactly because the thing about the bow that's so beautiful is it's as inclusive
as you want us to feel but it also feels beautifully theatrical and vicarious completely so there'll be times when you know you can turn that into a club and just witnessing that experience will have that theatrical like feeling that you want to get completely I saw um Robin and Roy scop Roy up yeah Ro up I mean they turned that into a nightclub
it's a nightclub it was sick dude when I saw Robin at the Palladium one of the best shows top five shows in my entire life which is rare to say I think I supported her there were you at that show did you I think so it was wait no was it the Forum no it was the Forum okay cool it was the Forum yeah I was going to be like oh sorry but to be honest with you I was going with
somebody who was way more like uh dedicated to time than I am and so I had to wait for them to arrive but uh that show was amazing and I mean you saw it it takes her seven minutes to walk on stage yeah you are in a state of euphoria before you even see her totally totally I mean you could like get your favorite DJ just come out there and get
that place going yeah it's just like all of a sudden it's like let's just go man let's just go you know that I'm going to tease this instrument like I'm going to go with this intro for like at least 10 minutes oh 10 minutes before start and then you just like little bit of underworld rares and then back into this and just ride it and then by the time you come
out there bro and the Dan has come out is just over yeah it's going to be it's going to be the bow show of the year next year I hope so we'll see book that I don't know talk to my manager you talk to your manager that's your job yeah but I can't be like I don't know anyway whatever you got this man you got this so where do you go from
here then I mean You' made this beautiful album life is wide open you've got this lifestyle that is that works for you you miss home but it's they waiting for you so are you going into this trying to live in the moment are you now in super schedule mode are people booking up for you how do you feel about that like what's the
what's the next sort of six to 12 months feel like given that you kind of made this yeah in your own space in your own time yeah so into album mode into tulang your launch now back into album it's been a big year and um I basically am super super super super busy until the album comes out how do you feel about that I feel great about that it's fun
and then I my brother is having the first like grandchild in my family on like at towards the end of the month and so I'm going home for like four months and cool te yeah I'm just going to go chill beautiful and like see a baby it's going to be awesome and then 2024 you just cuz by the way here's the thing everyone this whole idea when we used to
rush out on the road we put records out I get it but it actually we doesn't make sense because people are excited about the album but they don't know the album as much I think quarantine changed it a bit the artists that put their music out and then came out and played those shows six 12 18 months later often said to me they were some of the best shows they
ever did totally yeah I mean well by the time I finally played this live like my last show was in 2019 it's been a long time since I played a show making money I'm like selling my just real talk like melbour ain't cheap bro that's an expensive city no it fully is um yeah so I don't know I'm just like I I'm itching to to do it oh especially with
this record yeah it just sounds really fun it sounds really really fun I think like the the the music and and then the the audience those are just like the um the things that are pulling me to do it like I'm like you know cuz the the sort of lifestyle of traveling and everything like that that sounds a little stress to me but then I
remember like the rush intro with people and I'm like oh damn I should probably I should probably do that as soon as possible like I feel like it's going to be sick so yeah I just I don't even want to know that you're on that stage until like the first chorus because you're in the middle of the Dance Floor I don't even know where you are it's just I don't
even know where to look there's like 50 people up just having a incredible time you just emerge out in front and it's just like man D do you want to come on and just like creative direct the show yes okay dope you heard it here he's going to do it for free yes I you know I haven't TW it in 2019 so I don't have much budget so I got to you got to just do it for free
Melbourne man's taking all your budget yeah milk and bread and coffee out there's a $100 experience y um you're gonna have the greatest time I'm so happy to see you man and I'm I'm so glad that we're I think I said this word for word last time I spoke to you I'm so glad we're still here to have these conversations I I love your energy I
love how you honor your art and your voice and your music and you find a way to to go to new places and you know I've always thought this but I I'm glad that you know you continually outdo yourself you know you you really are a special artist Troy thank you so much you're like my favorite person I talk to so thank you love you man thanks for coming in