the belief that in order to succeed you have to burn out is incredibly entrenched in our culture it really goes back to the first industrial revolution when we started revering machines and the goal of a machine is to minimize downtime but for the human operating system downtime is a feature not a bad
hey everyone thank you so much for coming back to on purpose the number one health podcast in the world i'm so grateful that all of you are taking out time to invest in your health and well-being you could be anywhere in the world right now but you're either listening to this or
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and today's guest is someone i'm so grateful and honored to be sitting next to this lady just to let you know she changed my life three years ago so you can only imagine what an important moment this is for me but she's someone who needs no introduction she's the founder of the
huffington post she's the ceo and founder of thrive global and one of the most influential people in the media and world today her name is ariana huffington arianna thank you so much for doing this honestly thank you jay i'm so happy to be here with you really i've been looking forward to it all week
i'm so grateful honestly because we're sitting inside thrive global right now in new york these are your brand new offices they're absolutely beautiful thank you your team is amazing as always and you've opened this up as our home and made us feel so comfortable anytime
so today i've got so many things i want to dive into i feel that you're the thought leader the world really needs today and i'm so grateful that you've taken it upon yourself to make your mission to help people thrive all across the world and i want to go back to your book that you called thrive
it's a book that i believed when i read it i just felt i was like i can't believe someone's actually put this all into words it was i connected so deeply with it and my big question which i want to start off with is today how can our listeners redefine success for themselves what
does it mean to go through that process that you so beautifully outline because today we're bombarded by so many definitions of success how did you start that process and how can our listeners do that well thank you for starting with the most important question which was the question and i try to
address we thrive the book and that we are working on who thrive the company and basically you know you and i love reading philosophy whether it's the greeks the vedas stoic philosophers and the bottom line is that what is the good life is a constant priority for philosophers
trying to define the good life what happened in our modern culture is that we shrunk down the definition of the good life to success and we shrunk the definition of success down to two metrics money and start to slash power and that's like trying to sit on a two-legged stool
sooner or later you fall off yes so what we're trying to teach here at thrive and what i'd love everybody listening and watching to take home is to redefine success to include a third metric nothing wrong with the first two but the third is what completes our purpose and it includes well-being you know
prioritizing our health and well-being wisdom i love your mission of making wisdom viral wonder you know a sense of wonder about the universe the mystery of life and giving giving back that's something that you chronicle so often um in your work so for me that's what's a complete life and so
anytime you integrate any of these into your daily life you're getting closer to a fuller definition of the good life yeah i love that i absolutely love that and i think that's so clear and it's such a great direction for people because we can almost look at them and be like okay where am i
struggling yes right so we can look at that and say okay which which which leg of that stool is missing in my life and it becomes a focus area now when i do see that though sometimes some people may think well that's a lot of things to juggle and maybe i'm working really hard and
i'm really ambitious and that means i'm sacrificing sleep and my health is falling apart how have you found or what are your beliefs around real balance in the striving for making an impact in the striving for wanting to make a difference how do we also take care of all of those
juggling balls it feels like there's a lot there is a lot and i think the only way is through microsteps at thrive we talk about small daily incremental steps that are not hard we just need to make sure we take one step at a time so whatever it is you want to focus on
and let's say you want to focus on improving your sleep because you have actually read the science and the data and you know that when you improve your sleep you actually improve your performance so even if you didn't care about your health and you just care about your performance just look at
elite athletes there's no way tom brady would go to a super bowl sleep deprived yeah because he knows if he wants big performance he needs to get enough sleep eat right have recovery time as well as training time so that's really what i've forgotten so let me give you one of my favorite sleep
micro steps we have over 700 but i love the fact that you are focusing on making a conversation actionable for people so my macro step my favorite microstep is speaker time at the end of your day that you actually declare the end of your working day because the truth is that there is no end to our
working day the truth is that we could all spend the whole night clearing our inboxes so catching up with work in our always own world so you have to declare an arbitrary end and because human beings learn through ritual you mark that end by turning off your phone and gently escorting it out of your bedroom
i love that it's small but key you know not sleeping with your phone are you sleeping with you no i don't sleep with my phone amazing it's absolutely essential because if you sleep with your phone if you wake up in the middle of the night and you can't go right back to sleep you
are going to be tempted to pick it up and scroll through instagram or answer some text and it's much harder to go to sleep and have a deep really recharging sleep absolutely yeah when i first trained myself to do that i used to lock all my devices in my car
outside so i used to literally go and put my phone my laptop everything because i wanted to train myself yes out of the habit and i remember getting a real alarm clock at that time so that i could still wake up if you need an alarm clock and now i've been able to train myself to wake up after
eight and a half hours of sleep a day so no matter what time i go to sleep usually it's the same time i always sleep eight and a half hours and i don't need an alarm to get up so i get up naturally my body wakes me up and that's been such a beautiful conditioning and it's taken me time
but it really helps because now you're no longer conditioned to wake up to anything you can wake up exactly i think this is a this is amazing what you just said at first it may be hard because we are breaking addictions 100 but then the reward of how we feel is so enormous i mean for me now it's
like the reward of feeling fully recharged is so great i don't really like myself when i'm sleep deprived i mean i'm more reactive i'm more emotional i'm less empathetic i'm less creative i don't really want to be around me so it's actually something that then becomes a magnet
to continue doing that are there any other habits that you've had to rewire in your life anything that you saw as a trigger and you started building steps micro steps i love that to building were there any others yes like um i used to be one of the people who would think come january 1st i'm going to start
working out for it now every day and then by february 1st i would drop it so instead i put a stationary bike in my bedroom and now every morning i do a 30 minutes on my bike and i can be on my email because it's okay you know it's a stationary bike so i feel productive
and you know when i want to go harder i'll just do it without going on my email but yeah i made it super simple and now honestly i just like get out of bed and i get on my bike it's become like second nature it's no longer an issue because as you know because you're a student of behavioral science
and discipline is not going to cut it we need to change our environment and make it super easy to make these micro steps yes and having the bike right there my tennis shoes right there makes it much easier yeah absolutely you're breaking that chain in your mind to avoid that i had one client that i used to coach
a very successful executive and she loved doing yoga but she could never make it so we made sure that she had her yoga mat next to her bed so she could literally roll off her bed and onto her yoga mat and just be like a reminder that it was right there she didn't have to go to a gym
or she didn't have to go somewhere else she could do yoga right next to her bed if that's what exactly just something to break the chain yeah i love that that's great and i think it's i'm sure you hear this all the time with thrive global yourself you're working with
athletes celebrities executives directors you're working with the busiest people on the planet right that's that's what you do every day and you know that and you've you are one of the busiest people on the planet too and i'm sure you get people asking you iran i'm so fearful of falling behind yes
i'm so scared that someone important will send me a message and i'll miss it or something will happen in the news and i didn't see the notification how are you advising people who have that fear or insecurity that they may fall behind so that's where changing beliefs is key
so in all our workshops with corporations we start with changing beliefs because the beliefs we have are really like the automatic pilot on a ship you know and what we tell ourselves we're going to do or is like the captain uh steering the ship in one way or another but if the automatic pilot
is set in a particular direction that's where the ship is going to go so we start by changing beliefs because the belief that in order to succeed you have to burn out is incredibly entrenched in our culture it really goes back to the first industrial revolution when we started revering machines
and the goal of a machine is to minimize downtime the goal of software is to minimize downtime but for the human operating system downtime is a feature not a bug and so we need to show people the data show people the science introduce people to ancient wisdom you know we've done a wonderful series i
don't know if you've seen they'll send it to you on chinese ancient wisdom we are doing a lot on indian wisdom on stoic philosophers our conference room here all our conference rooms are named after um philosophers like the marcus aurelius room oh i love that is our a board room so
the reason for all that is that it requires both science and storytelling to move people but we have found that the thing that moves people more than anything is hearing from successful people in the arena yes it's what you said it's like it's almost like people need to be given permission
and need to hear from people who are successful who are not chilling under a mango tree so when jeff bezos writes a piece and says why am i getting eight hours of sleep is good for amazon shareholders that piece went crazy viral and it made a lot of people feel if jeff bezos gets eight hours of sleep
and he's not exactly slowing down that shows that there is something here for me to look at or um philip schindler the chief business officer at google and said to me at a dinner that he had this moment of epiphany when he came home from a trip and his young children he told his
children that is taking you to the playground and his five-year-old son said oh no can't the babysitter take us and he asked why and the little boy said because when you're in the playground you're always on your phone and that was his moment of epiphany and after that he stopped
being on his phone when he's with his children you know he travels a lot it's not like with his with his children all the time so he made that sacred time and then he texted me to let me know what an amazing impact it had within google so people who felt that they could also do that
that they could take that step without being afraid that they are going to fall behind absolutely absolutely and i think you're so right that that science story telling and that last piece of people living the example yes is the most powerful because when we see someone who looks like us
talks like us walks like us has the same diary as us and they can do it and and it's funny isn't it that we get impressed i was i was at a hangout the other day and i was with a lot of other social media people and we were all hanging out together and no one used their phone for about three hours
wow because we were all just connecting as human beings and everyone was you know there are a few people there they were so impressed they were like how are you guys not on your phones and i was just like because i love this like i love being on a plane i pretend that planes still don't have
wi-fi like i just convinced myself that wi-fi doesn't exist on planes because i love being able to switch off like what you're saying that it's not a bug it's a feature yeah it's a feature i love that that's so powerful that when we feel and that's our problem right like we think when we're slowing
down we're like oh god why am i slowing down i need to you know we panic we go oh no i'm becoming less productive but actually that's a feature reminding us to press pause to slow down to to reach then we can actually observe why and how we become more productive um you know why do people say that they
get their best ideas in the shower yeah it's the truth is that our best ideas come from the wisdom within and that's why when you talk about making wisdom go viral that's also part of what allows people to connect with their own inner wisdom and their best ideas come from that absolutely let's
talk about inner wisdom a bit because i think we both believe in it very strongly i know that in my life i feel i've always been guided by my inner wisdom yes i rarely feel guided by my head i really try and feel guided by the market or the industry i'm constantly looking to my inner compass
to be guided i'd love to hear from you how you've done that in your life and how you've been able to sift out your inner voice from the noise that often arises from everything around us so for me that's kind of the heart of everything i'm doing and that we are doing a thrive
which is the truth and that i believe is an absolute truth that every one of us has a place of wisdom peace and strength inside us it's our birthright no matter what we do or where we are or where we are born we do have that and most of the time we are completely disconnected from it
and that's such a shame it's like having been given this incredible inheritance and not even knowing that you have it and that's why i love when dick nadhan said that right now with our addiction to our phones and social media and games he said it has never been easier to run away from ourselves
and so everything we are doing here is helping people reconnect with that place now there is nobody i know who lives in that place all the time of course it's not that's not what we're saying what we want to create is a great course correcting mechanism so that we know i kind of know and i'm
sure you know when i'm not in that place and so the first thing i want to do is help myself get back to that place whatever it takes because from that place i'm so much more productive so much more creative and so much more joyful you know we don't talk enough about joy
but after all the purpose of life is not just to be productive yeah definitely no this is not a dress rehearsal absolutely so if we can also connect with our joy and our loving and suddenly life um becomes kind of like a little miracle yeah absolutely what is what are a few
things people can do every day to to get that voice back for themselves like you said i think so many of us have run so far away from ourselves like tikna ham mentioned you quoted that we don't even know what ourselves is anything yes right like it's like well what is it like i have 10 voices in my head
and one of them is a tv show and one of them's my favorite song and one of them is my mom's voice and my dad's voice like what are a couple of things that people can do on a daily basis that's going to help them get closer to that voice again well i believe and i know you do too
that one of the keys is gratitude that doesn't mean not acknowledging the pain because the pain is often real you know there's a lot of pain in the world and in our lives but also recognizing that the pain is not everything the hardship is not everything the darkness is not everything
and being able to hold and when we are going through a hard time these two realities in our hearts as well as our heads at the same time yes that for me is the key and so doing again microsteps like starting your morning um taking one minute in the morning one minute to remember three things
you're grateful for or set your intention for the day is absolutely key if you don't have one minute you don't have a life and the majority of people go directly to their phone first thing in the morning and you don't know what you're going to see yeah no not at all and so suddenly the cortisol hormone the
stress hormone floods your body before you have even gotten out of bed so how you start your day is absolutely key yeah and so is how you end your day yeah because every day is a mixture of good things and bad things happening you know i've never had a day which was all amazing
no well maybe one or two but you know yeah it's not the norm of course so you can go to bed thinking of all the things that went wrong or you can go to bed and thinking of all the things you're grateful for yes yes and that changes the quality of your sleep yes so what is interesting um jay as you know
is that in terms of our evolution our mind tends to go to the negative because that's how we survived right i mean if we were um followed by a tiger and focused on the sunset we would not be here yes but right now we continue to live in this fight-or-flight mode even though there aren't a lot of tigers
around i definitely know and that's what we need to change absolutely and and i love what you're saying because actually i think when i lived as a monk for three years one of the biggest principles we talked a lot about was how when we are asked to be grateful for something
we only remember the positive whereas actually a lot of the times when we've been in our greatest pain that's been the greatest path to our potential yes that actually the pain the suffering the tragedy the the falling down was actually the moment of our rise and growth
and and i've noticed that when i look in reflection in gratitude or i look in hindsight it's actually the lowest point of my life that became the birth of the best moments of my life and it's so easy to forget that but now and so now when i'm going through painful moments i'm always saying to myself don't judge
this moment as painful don't judge the moment because this could be the moment that leads to the next best thing that happens to you and so becoming grateful in that pain too absolutely i completely agree with that it's like the leonard coyne song you know that the light comes in through
the crowd yes yes exactly yes and i um i know that from my life you know when i look back i remember one of the most painful moments in my life was when i was very much in love with this brilliant writer in london and um we were together for seven years uh by now i was 30 and i really really
wanted to have children and he was clear he didn't want to have children he only wanted to have cats and so i had to make this tough decision i could stay with him but then i wouldn't have children or if i wanted to fulfill that dream i would have to leave him and it was an incredible moment of
heartbreak i really left london and moved to new york to put the kind of [Music] the ocean behind us and yet when i look back now that one thing changed my life so what was like the hardest moment at the time became the moment that allowed me to move here have my children
build the huffington post lunch thrive be here with you and it all happened because a man wouldn't marry me yeah it's crazy so i say we all need to look back and and and look at all the things that were terrible heartbreaks and what did they lead to yes absolutely mine mine i don't think
you know this mind funnily enough was i obviously moved to new york to work with huffpost when we were together and then you left to start thrive and i left half post at the same time and that was one of the toughest periods in my life because i had all these views and things were growing online
but i no longer had my sponsor in you of someone who greatly believed in my work and at that time i really had to be the person who believed in myself and build my own world and so i went through one of the toughest periods of my life because i went from having someone who believed
in my work someone incredible influential like yourself to having no one to then having to do it myself and it was the best thing that happened to me and that was only two years ago and now yeah and it was just it was just one of those moments that i'm so grateful for because otherwise
i would have carried on doing what i was doing and it would have been nice it would have been okay there would have been nothing bad about it but it launched it gave me a launch pad to a new life and so i'm i'm very grateful that you started thrive global for many reasons but also for the reason because it
allowed me to be born myself again i love that and i think we all should be doing more to tell the stories of these heartbreaks and what they led to yes because nobody who has succeeded has had like a linear path where everything went great absolutely absolutely and i'm really
glad you brought up having children because that was actually my next topic so i wanted to talk to you about that and i so i have this thing i talk about making wisdom go viral i talk a lot about wisdom my three areas are self love and work those are my three areas which i believe
i have some insight on or i've loved and deeply want to help people with now there's one area of my life that i have no wisdom on and that's parenting right i'm no i'm not a parent yet i don't claim to have any wisdom on parenting but i have a lot of my audience in my community that loves asking questions so
one of the biggest questions i get asked right now is jay i feel a lot of mom guilt of working on my passion building my passion but then having to be there for my children and wanting to be there too and i hear that a lot i'm sure you've heard it for a long long time but i hear
it a lot so i wanted to ask someone who and i've seen you with your daughters you have a beautiful relationship with them they have a beautiful relationship with you it's so real and genuine and at the same time you're someone who is continuing to innovate continuing to be a pioneer how have you
not mastered that because i know you won't even say you've done that but how have you managed that and how have you continued to live your passion build your passion impact lives and maintain a real bond with your children well first of all um the mom guilt is kind of pretty much universal
and i really feel sometimes that they take the baby out and they put the guilt in that's how universal it is and we've just launched a parenting um workshop and it's going to be part of a digital product that helps women through microsteps and men too because men have it although
not to the same extent to recognize that if you follow your passion you're going to be a better parent because if if you think that by not following your passion i mean first of all for most people in the world it's not even a choice because people work they need to make a living but even
let's say that was not the issue but this is something that you love and um fulfills your purpose there's no way you would be as good a parent if you didn't fulfill that and also i find that what matters most is when you are with your children to be fully there i think the worst thing that we do as
parents is multitasking yes you need the idea that i'm with my child i'm having dinner or i'm happy with their homework and i'm set up tissue looking at my phone yes that's the thing that is that is really painful for the child i mean children take this this science um to heart but also
being able to allow yourself to be fully present whether it's with your child or at work and when the guilt comes recognizing it's not the truth i call it it's the obnoxious roommate living in my head yeah you know that voice of self-doubt questioning that doesn't allow us to be fully
present and and for me my my daughters know that however busy they are they come first so if they need me i will drop anything to be with them that's what really matters to children that sense of unconditional loving yeah what i love about what i'm hearing from you as a future
father is that when i have kids i really believe that because i'm getting to do what i love every day and i'm passionate about it i'm going to have that energy cascade onto my children they're going to experience my joy but if i was to give all this up and even if i was with them 24 7
i'd probably drive them mad because i wouldn't have anything to give them like what am i going to offer them and so i love that and so even if you're a parent out there and you're listening right now and it's not about changing your career or doing your passion it could just be
doing your hobby once a week taking a mom's night once a week hanging out with your friends once a week whatever you need to refuel your kids are going to feel that energy that's the key whatever you need to refuel and because when we are not refueled and we give from a place of being empty and depleted
it's not real giving i mean we all have to do it and we all had to do it but giving from our overflow is just amazing yeah absolutely giving from our overflow that's exactly it and what if we're not overflowing then we are just giving from our half fill cup yes or a quarter filled
cup and that's what's up or an empty cup and that's why we're feeling drained and dried up so what i really want to understand is how have you changed what you do to refuel over the years yes so from the moment when you were building a company through to now i want to know that because i also think that
a lot of people's methods for refueling change over time and we get scared when our methods change so when you're in your teens you used to go and party and when you're in your 30s i know or 40 some people are still trying to do the same thing to refuel as they were and it doesn't work the same way
it doesn't feel the same so how have yours changed well that's part of being connected with ourselves and getting the science i mean i was blessed with an amazing mother um who was very connected with her own wisdom and ancient wisdom and even though she never went to college she was
self-taught and she taught my sister and me to meditate when i was 13. and i didn't do it consistently at the beginning but it definitely was an incredible gift so i bought into the delusion that the only way to succeed is to be always on to sacrifice my own health and well-being which is
absurd you know we claim to be data-driven the data is so clear that's not what works i mean look at the founder myth over three quarters of startups fail so there's something wrong about the assumption that you have to be always on to succeed look at elon musk i mean he's
a brilliant visionary but what he's doing by exhausting himself and tweeting in the middle of the night things that are not true about taking his company private leading to sec investigations having to step down as chairman paying a 20 million dollar fine how can this be good for the company you
are building so whatever it is that we are all doing and finding our own ways to refuel is key for me the foundation of my refuelling became sleep i even wrote a book as you know the sleep revolution with all the latest science about why it is so essential because sleep is not optional
it's an incredibly active time for the brain it's the only time when the brain can clean up all the accumulated toxins from the day and it is essential to our health and to our cognitive performance so that's my number one thing my number two thing that we teach a lot here is the recognition that it takes one
minute to cause correct from stress it's not like a long time but you need to do it any every time you you feel you're stressed out so we are launching a behavior change platform and this product is at the heart of it to help people when they are stressed to get a recommendation for a micro step
and the microstep can be as small as closing your eyes here or even not closing your eyes if you're in a public space and you don't want to and consciously focusing on your breathing literally i mean i did a one-minute meditation at dreamforce yeah when you sat on the
cloud i sat on the cloud and i've just put it on my instagram a couple of days ago because it is so simple and you know if you practice it yeah and take one minute it's just extraordinary how you course correct from strength from stress and you know nobody is going to eliminate stress from their lives
what we're looking for is not to make it cumulative yes one of the one of the things i think we have to realize is that what you're pointing out is that there's acute stress and chronic stress and acute stress is good sometimes we need that kind of like oh my god i need to get this done it's important
we all feel stressed before we go and give a keynote or you feel stressed before a big meeting at work but it's the chronic stress it's that repeated stress it's the stress that's underlying and building up like you said cumulative stress that's the one we really need to be wary
of exactly so just to give you an example at thrive you know we're not a nine-to-five company you know we have a huge ambitions people work hard but we tell everybody if you have a project that requires you to pull an all-nighter or do extra intense work take thrive time after that that is the
key don't continue working as though you had not expanded extra energy and are depleted yes because if you do that just look at the data i think you're going to get sick because your immune system is going to be compromised so you may think you're powering through
or grinding through your body is going to let you down yeah and also your decisions and your work are not going to be as good as they could have been absolutely and i love your consistent point about the data is showing this like the data is showing this if we're data driven
there's no con there's no there's no debate there's no there's no the data that's my opinion yes exactly it's not your opinion it's not a philosopher's opinion it's yes it's not the opinion of oh let's be fluffy and let's believe in well-being it's data-driven so wellness is a 4.3
trillion category yes but it's not defined yes it can mean anything it can mean warm and fuzzy things yes nothing wrong with them but that's not what we are talking about we are talking about hardcore science-driven data-driven realities which also happen to be to be validating ancient wisdom that's
what i love exactly yeah and that's that's i i love that because when i started reading your books which i highly recommend sleep revolution and thrive like they're two of my favorite books what i loved about them is it's exactly what i try and do is the bridge between ancient wisdom modern
science and practical application how is this relevant now you know how can you take it but now and the reason why i love ancient wisdom the way you do is because we are not pavlov's dogs we do have a heart and a soul yes and so if we really want to change behavior we need to capture our imagination
that's what we are building the product we're building intends to sort of crack the code on behavior change yes the reason why behavior change doesn't work most of the time is because we only appeal to people's minds and we're more than our minds absolutely absolutely ariana you're amazing and i
hope we're going to do many many more of these and this conversation i believe is just the starting point i just wanted people to dive into your wealth of wisdom i highly recommend it if you've loved this conversation i'm a big proponent of ariana's books i think they're phenomenal
and if you haven't checked out thrive global yet make sure you check them out they're doing incredible work online in companies and bringing all of this to the work environment which i think is so important having worked at accenture myself who i know works very closely with you
it's incredible to see this work infusing into the corporate culture and also i would love to invite your listeners to tell their stories ah thrive global.com is my email send it to me and we'll give you a password and you can post them on jay's channels and on thrive global the question is how can we accelerate
the distribution of these ideas oh i love that that's awesome so irena we end every podcast with what i call the final five these are the final five rapid fire answer it can either be a one word three word or one sentence answer no more than that okay so i'm being a bit lenient but this
is it it's easy for you what's the first thing you do when you wake up the first thing i do when i wake up is focus on my breath and three things i'm grateful for me too i love that uh what's the last thing you do before you go to bed the last thing is again focus on my breath and three things i'm
grateful for i love it if i went through your phone whose number would i want to steal i think you would want to steal bill maher's number okay why and because he's such a truth teller i don't agree with everything but i love him he and i have been friends forever
and also because he's unbelievably private so it's a very hard number to get i like it awesome i'm gonna have to try and grab your phone later who's what's the most used app on your phone so you know i have basically um removed most apps from my phone nice so what i the most intimate
thing i do is texting with my daughters and my friends and of course i'm obsessed with our thrive up yes because um a i integrate in my life all the micro steps that are fair to me but also because i'm a big believer in constantly iterating and improving it yes so i'm giving constant feedback so i
use it for myself but i also use it as a tool to keep improving it awesome and question five of the final five is what do you consider your biggest accomplishments so far oh absolutely without question my two daughters i love that i love them so much my oldest daughter just got engaged and i'm
so happy because her fiance somebody i love that i actually hired for the huffington post oh no way that's amazing i didn't know that part of it well he now works with jeffrey katzenberg and the infatuation yeah oh infatuation yes yeah which is one of their
of the companies that he identified and they invested in but anyway i i love them we are very close i feel very blessed um to be as close to them and i can't wait to become a grandmother jay amazing i love it well ariana thank you so much for taking this time thank you for opening up your office
thank you so much for sharing that opportunity for my audience and community to reach out to you as well and share that idea i love that we'll definitely let everyone know and please please please go and check out ariana if you don't follow her already find her on instagram find her on
facebook find her on twitter all of her insights anything that you've loved today her instagram and social media feeds are absolutely full of it so make sure you do that ariana thank you so much thank you and thank you so much for everything you are doing for the world thank you oh no thank you so much thank
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