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Now, starting before you're ready doesn't mean that you're going to throw your life into chaos.
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But, I think for anyone listening who feels stuck and you We all have felt that, right?
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We were just like Like, I really want to do it.
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Start before you're ready will kick-start you into action.
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And action really is the antidote to fear.
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And today's guest is going to help you do just that.
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Now, I've been following her work for a long, long time.
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So, for me, this is a huge privilege.
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I'm so happy to be sitting in front of her, and you're about to see who that is.
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And I just feel so happy because I've seen her interview some incredible minds.
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I've seen her just build this beautiful show.
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And to be able to interview her today about how that all came about and all the other stories around it is a huge honor for me.
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She's a New York Times best-selling author.
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She's the founder of The B School and the host of Marie TV.
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And today's guest is none other than Marie Forleo.
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Marie, thank you for being here. Oh, I'm so excited, Jay.
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I feel like this has been like in the cosmic making for a very long time. It definitely has.
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And the reason why I wanted to reach out to Marie to do this is her new book is out on September 10th.
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It's called Everything is Figureoutable, right? I love that title.
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I was just telling her outside a moment ago.
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I was like, I absolutely love that title.
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It's out on September 10th.
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Hopefully, if you're listening or watching this, it's around that sort of time.
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That's the hope right now.
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So, you can go and get the book right now if you're listening.
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And Marie, the first thing I want to ask you about because I love the title so much Yes.
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is what is the hardest thing you've ever had to figure out?
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And what gave you this confidence in this bold, beautiful title to literally say, "Everything is figureoutable"? Yes.
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So, I think the way to answer that question is there's been hard things at different stages of my life, which I feel like is true for most of us.
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You know, there was actually a time when I was a young child.
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I was about 13 years old, and I didn't live with my parents.
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So, I was estranged from them.
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I was kind of kicked out of my house, and there were a few years that things were really difficult.
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Um, I was in a an abusive relationship.
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Like just everything felt like it was crashing in around me.
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And so I think at that stage in my life, that was probably one of the hardest things to overcome.
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Um, and then, you know, fast forwarding a little bit, I think most of us sometimes we find ourselves in college or university trying to figure out who we're supposed to be in this world, right?
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How can we make a living and make a difference?
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How are we supposed to fit into society?
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I struggled with that for years and I failed so much before I finally found my calling, which is an extension of what I do now.
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And then I think even moving on further, you know, there's been times with my relationship with Josh.
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We've been together 16 years and, you know, no relationship is easy and it's not all unicorns and rainbows and, you know, smiley faces.
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And there's been times where we were on the brink of losing each other.
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And that was devastating to me cuz he's the love of my life.
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And this idea has helped me help us get ourselves back on track.
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And so, you know, I've had other challenges with my family.
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I've had challenges with the business.
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I've, you know, self-confidence challenges.
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So I know that's kind of a broad poopery of of things to go through, but those are some of the kind of things at different stages of my life that this one idea, this simple little phrase has always helped me when I feel like nothing is working. Yeah.
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And I feel a bit helpless, it picks me back up and I'm like, nah, I'm going to do this.
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I'm going to figure this out no matter how long it takes or no matter how many different areas I need to explore, learn about, test, try until I can overcome. Absolutely.
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And that's what I love about it so much is because we're going to need that thought in our lives again and again and again and again.
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It's never going to be a time when you won't need that. Yes.
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And that statement and and you It it simple idea, but it's not It's deep.
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It's It's like There's so much to unpack, and that's what you do so beautifully in the book.
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When I was reading it, I was just like, "It's a simple idea, but giving someone the confidence that it works Yes.
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is effort, and that's why you've written this book, because it's not easy enough for us to just keep saying, "Oh, everything's figureoutable."
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And we can say that to ourselves as much as we want, but it needs to be unpacked, and that's what you do in the book.
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So, for one of the things for me, when I'm reading it, is when I'm thinking about my life and thinking about those times when I've needed this. Yes.
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And I know for me it's always been like, "Don't judge the moment."
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Like I've always said that to myself.
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I've been like, "Don't judge this moment.
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Like don't label this moment.
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Don't give it a bad name."
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And one of the things you talk about in this book is that beliefs are sticky. Yes. Right?
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You talk about these beliefs being sticky.
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Talk me through some of the toughest beliefs that you think you developed at those times and how you stop them from being so sticky and why beliefs are so sticky, too.
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I think, you know, beliefs really are like the train tracks that underpin our lives, that really decide where we're going to go and how we're going to get there.
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But so many times we don't understand that that's really what's running the show, right?
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Some of our kind of deepest, most kind of subconscious beliefs about who we are as human beings, what we're capable of, what we're not capable of, how we feel about society, men, women, marriage, money, business, you know, all of these things.
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We don't often recognize that it's these deep-rooted beliefs, often times that we didn't choose for ourselves.
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I think one of the most interesting aspects of beliefs is you think about us as babies.
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You know, we kind of pop out and we're pretty fresh and we're happy.
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And as we grow up, we're like little sponges absorbing the beliefs of our family, our caretakers, the media, society, you know, women are allowed to do X, or if I look like this, I can only reach that, or, you know, money is bad and evil, or success means X, Y, or Z.
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And so, I think beliefs are sometimes so hidden to us that we don't recognize that they could be the thing that are holding us back.
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And you know, working and coaching people over the last two decades now, I can't even believe I've been doing this for two decades, which is amazing.
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Um here's what's something that's interesting.
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Many times in personal development, people feel like you have to kind of unearth all of your negative and limiting beliefs, and we all have them.
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But here's what's awesome about the notion that everything is figureoutable.
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I like to describe it almost as the master key, right?
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It's like you don't have to go searching around the corners of your consciousness to find all those negative beliefs and fix yourself and change them.
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If you absolutely adopt this notion that everything is figureoutable, and I would encourage people to try it before you deny it.
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We'll kind of walk down how we can do that.
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But it's as though it's the first domino that you push, and everything else becomes possible.
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So, you know, for example, for me, early on in my career, I had some really negative limiting beliefs around money.
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And a lot of my beliefs around money were formed as a child.
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You know, my parents were going through a divorce.
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I was about seven or eight years old, and I remember just standing in my kitchen, and my mom and dad had just signed the divorce papers.
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And so, the scene was this.
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My mom was bawling her eyes out, crying.
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Her face was red, her eyes were bloodshot.
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She was talking to her mom, who was in Florida at that time, and she was saying, "I can't believe I've been this dumb. I have nothing. I have nothing."
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And so, the thing about my parents, you know, all their fights, it wasn't about infidelity.
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It wasn't about necessarily like substance abuse or anything like that.
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It was always about money.
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My mom feeling like there wasn't enough, she had no control over it.
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Uh she, you know, didn't have the kind of power to direct where it was going.
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And so, when they got divorced, I was clear as around money.
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So, my mom hung up that phone with her mom.
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She actually turned to me and she bent down so she was my height.
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She took me by the shoulders and she shook me and she said, "Marie, don't ever be stupid like I was.
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Don't ever give anyone control over your money.
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Don't ever give everything away to a man.
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I need you to grow up and be independent and take care of yourself.
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Look at me, I have nothing right now.
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Don't be stupid like I was."
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And I got to tell you, Jay, like as an 8-year-old, right? You get imprinted.
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And I just stood there and I was like, So, I formed these beliefs as a young child that, you know, giving anyone control over your money was like a really bad idea.
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I also formed the belief that giving a man control over your money not a good thing to do.
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And those beliefs, I had to wrestle with them early on in my adult life.
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I remember being deep in debt.
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I just had all of these kind of twisted conflicted notions around myself and money and worth.
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And so, the process of using this idea everything is figureoutable, I used it then to go, "You know what? I can figure money out.
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I can use this as a tool to heal myself and to heal other people and to help others not have suffering in their lives."
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So, you know, everything is figureoutable really can be that master key that helps people wipe through anything that holds them back. Yeah, absolutely.
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Thank you for sharing that as well so openly.
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I think so many of us, when I was listening to you and I'm hoping everyone who's listening or watching right now was doing the same.
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When you're hearing Marie describe what she was going through as a child, put yourself back in that position, too.
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Like go through that visualization with her because for me, I was sitting back and thinking, "Oh yeah, what was I going through at 8 years old that has created a belief in my mind?"
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And it's so funny you brought up the money one because I can definitely identify with that.
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And I grew up in a home where we always said we just have enough.
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Like we always have just enough.
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So, So whole adult life I grew up believing that I only needed to have just enough, which always meant that we were always like just above having nothing.
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So we never had a lot and we never had nothing, but we had just above nothing.
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And that became my talking point.
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So whenever someone would say to me like, "How much money do you want to make?"
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I'd be like, "Yeah, just enough."
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Like that would literally be like how I'd speak about it.
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And then when I grew up and started to reflect on wanting to have a family and wanting to serve the world and even wanting to create content that I really believed in.
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And wanting to serve the world in ways that I really valued.
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And I started to think, I was like, "Wow, if I have just enough, then I can't I can only help the world just enough." That's right. Right? That's right.
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And so getting back to your point about our beliefs, it's sometimes we don't even understand or realize how much they're driving us until you kind of pause and and recognize that they are running the show, right?
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So we have a simple formula in the book.
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Our beliefs create our thoughts, and our thoughts create our feelings, and our feelings create our behavior, and our behavior creates our results.
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And so if you want anything to change on the results level, don't just go to the behaviors or the feelings or even the thoughts.
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We need to go deeper to our beliefs cuz if we can handle that, everything changes.
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Absolutely and so well put.
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I can couldn't agree with you more because we're always messing around that stuff at the end. Yeah.
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Like I want to change my results or I want to change how I feel. Yes.
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But then we never talk about the beliefs that underlie them all. Absolutely.
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And and now so this is also a belief.
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Like everything is figureoutable Yes.
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is like you're saying the master key belief in one sense of like believing that everything's figureoutable.
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You you alluded to it earlier.
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When someone hears that and go, "Marie, it's easy for some to say.
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Come on, it's easy for you to say now that things have worked out or wait a minute.
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You know, I was at a conference recently and someone stood up and asked me a question.
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They were just like, "How does this apply to the kid starving in Africa, right?"
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Like they they they said that to me.
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And my response to them actually was like, "Well, if I was speaking to kids who are starving in Africa, I wouldn't be saying what I'm saying to you."
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I was like, "This is to you.
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This is audience specific." Right?
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My advice that I was giving, I was like, "I know who's in my audience.
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If I was speaking to kids starving in Africa, I'd be giving them something else." That was appropriate.
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Appropriate and relevant and accessible to them at that point.
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So, but for us, for everyone who's listening and watching right now, tell us if someone's doubting you, if someone and and I know you know this, but someone's doubting you, someone's looking at you going, "Marie, that's Easy for you to say.
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Easy for you to say, or that's a nice thought. Yes.
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But my position right now, like the situation I'm in, it's so bad, like you have no idea. That's right.
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Okay, so I want to dive into this and peel it back in a couple of layers because it's so important.
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So, number one, I am very clear that I have won what Warren Buffett has coined the phrase as the ovarian lottery, right?
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I'm a white woman in the United States.
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By no effort of my own, I was born into a family that gave me an education, put a roof over my head, I had running water, I had electricity, all of those things.
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There are millions, if not up to a billion people that don't have those same privileges or access to some of those resources.
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So, I absolutely get that.
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That's why it was imperative for me throughout the book to weave in stories far diverse from my own.
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So, folks from the developing world, folks throughout history that don't look like me, that did not grow up where I grew up, with the same types of resources and privileges and advantages.
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And they embody this spirit, this notion that all of us have this innate power and wisdom within ourselves.
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And when that awakens, what we are capable of as humans is extraordinary.
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So, we have that all over the book.
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We also have dozens and dozens and dozens of reader stories, right?
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So, folks that haven't won Nobel Peace Prizes or that haven't done these extraordinary things.
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I've been talking about this idea for two decades.
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You know, here's a story Yeah, I was going to ask you to tell me a couple because I was I Absolutely.
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And then I want to go to the rules because a an 8-year-old actually challenged me when I was first writing this book and it came up with something brilliant.
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So, let me tell the story of Jen.
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You know, a lot of folks are like, "Well, yeah, everything is figureoutable if you want to build a business or get your health back online or perhaps save a relationship."
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But, what if I'm facing something difficult and hard that isn't?
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So, woman named Jen wrote to us and I had first shared this idea with the world in a really public way, um, on Oprah's stage.
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So, she was doing a SuperSoul one-day event.
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She had asked me to speak in it and the title of my talk was everything is figureoutable.
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So, Oprah then put that talk online. It's on her podcast.
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And so, folks heard it that I'd never met before.
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So, woman named Jen wrote to us and said, "Hey Marie, thank you so much for your talk.
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This lesson that everything is figureoutable is something my mom, who I love so much, had been trying to teach me forever, but I kind of really heard it from you.
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And then I shared the talk with my mom and she loved it, too.
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But, then everything changed.
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My mom, who is the most important person in my life, was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
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And suddenly, nothing seemed figureoutable.
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And she said, "But, then I actually took a walk and I looked at it from a different perspective and realized it was.
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For example, I could find my mom nursing care that could go and attend to her even though she lived in this rural area.
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Number two, I could figure out how to get my mom foods that she could actually tolerate.
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Number three, I got medical equipment so that my mom could spend her last days and in fact, her last five weeks on this planet where she wanted to be, which is in her home.
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And she said, "I can tell you without reservation that yes, everything is figureoutable.
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And thank you so much for sharing this idea because it made a difference to two women on the other side of the world."
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And so, we have other stories of folks who have used this idea facing addiction, facing loss, death, grief, diagnosis that are life-changing in terms of how long they will be on this planet and how they will exist on this planet.
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So, those are all embedded in there.
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So, I just want to share that.
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Another frame, I invite people to try it before you deny it.
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Like, I do not claim to have all the answers, nor do I think this book has all the answers, but within it you will find a set of tools and practices and frameworks to find or create your own. Yes.
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And finally, I'll share the story about the 8-year-old.
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So, I was telling a friend when I was first writing this book, we were like all having a brunch on a Sunday, and my friend's son asked me, "Well, what's your book about?"
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And I said, "Everything is figureoutable."
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And he's like, "No, it's not."
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And I was like, "Awesome, tell me more."
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And he said, "Well, you know, I can't grow working human wings out of my back."
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And I was like, "That's very true. You can't do that yet."
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I said, "But we humans can indeed fly."
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And he was like, "Oh, yeah, that's right."
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He's like, "Well, you know, I can't get my dog who died when I was two, we can't get him to, you know, be back alive."
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And I was like, some Pet Sematary right there.
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But, um I said, "You know what? That's true."
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I said, "But scientists are working on cryogenics, and there's people who have cloned dogs."
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He was like, "Oh, yeah, that's right."
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I said, "Look, just because something scientifically hasn't been done yet, doesn't mean it's impossible."
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There's an amazing book called The Beginning of Infinity by a quantum theorist named David Deutsch, and he has this incredible quote which says, "Everything that is not forbidden by the laws of nature is achievable given the right knowledge.
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So, I would invite everyone listening, you know, you don't have to take a quantum theorist's word for it or my word, just experiment with this.
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Live this idea and see if it doesn't help you become more capable and courageous and resilient and persistent in the face of whatever problem you're looking to unpack or whatever dream you're working to achieve.
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Yeah, I love that and and try it before you deny it.
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Sure, like with everything, right?
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Like even if I told you when you came in they're like, "Oh, we have this juice and it's the best juice in the world." Yes.
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And you could just deny and be like, "No, I I have the best juice in the world at home."
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And and it's something as basic as that.
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Like we can't even do it to do with food and juice, what to speak of wisdom and knowledge and and ideas.
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So, yeah, anyone who's listening and watching, I highly recommend that you try this out the way Marie's saying it.
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And and what Marie's done and what she's so beautifully articulating is she's done the research to prove to us that this works and she's giving you the process to practice it. Right?
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That's what the book's doing.
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It's proving to you all the through these stories and it's giving you the practice. Go on, you.
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And I, you know, I'm definitely not sitting here going like, "I have everything figured out and I'm just, you know what I mean, hanging out going like, it's all done."
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No, I use this every single day.
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I use this when like I run a company and there's 30 people and you know, things crash, someone quits, someone gets sick.
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I am using this actively every single day of my life and it's what helps me continue to engage with a sense of curiosity Yeah.
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and courage and a fearlessness to walk into the inherent groundlessness of reality.
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Like let's just be real about this.
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There's so much in our lives that we cannot control, right?
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And for someone who will raise her hand to being like, "I like to be in control.
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I like to have those plans.
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I like to know what's coming up."
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The nature of reality is chaos. Yes.
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And the nature of reality is groundlessness, which could evoke a lot of fear Mhm.
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or it could evoke a lot of curiosity. Mhm.
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And so what I also like about this notion, if everything is figureoutable, you don't have to grasp onto anything but your own innate wisdom and capability to show up and dynamically be appropriate to what occurs in this moment. Yeah, absolutely.
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One of the things I really wanted to ask you, because this is something I'm fascinated by, is when someone's living through that process of the belief that my life and everything that happens to me is the worst. Yeah. Right?
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And and I hear that a lot, you see it a lot on social media, you see it a lot on people's profiles where people are just like, I'm going through the worst day, my life's And we have this belief that we're victims and we have this belief so strongly that I'm going through the worst.
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How do you start rewiring that from your perspective?
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Like, how do you start the process of getting out of it?
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Yeah, you know, it's interesting and I think all of us have to, you know, we need to give ourselves permission to have those bad days cuz we all have them, you know, people often ask me, they're like, you know, you seem so confident all the time and you seem like you have everything together and I'm like, well, you don't see me when I'm struggling.
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Like, you know, I'm like on the phone with a friend going like, I don't know if this is any good or I don't know if X, Y, and Z is working or, you know, kind of those things that we just do in in private, quite frankly. Mhm.
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So I think knowing that all of us have bad days and you can be like, oh, this is the worst.
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But to answer your question, I think it's understanding that we have the power to assign any situation either an empowering meaning or a disempowering meaning.
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So let's take a really simple example, right?
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So we're not going to get too heavy, we're going to do it just right on the surface because sometimes that's easier to see, like the juice example. Totally.
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So let's say I am a first-time writer and I've sent out my manuscript and I got rejected again.
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I can take that very neutral fact and assign a meaning or a story to it that says, "Well, I'm a failure.
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No one likes my and I should just give up, and I should stop being a writer, clearly, because here's another rejection letter."
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So, that is what I would categorize as a disempowering meaning.
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You're not going to feel good.
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You're probably not going to take a productive, effective action from that state of mind, and you may not ever reach your ultimate dream of being perhaps a published writer.
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You could choose to assign that same neutral fact an empowering meaning, which could be, and we can come up with tons of them.
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Maybe it's like, "You know what?
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Every rejection means I'm one step closer to success because I'm actually getting my work out there, and if I'm getting my work out there, that means that I could possibly be published."
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You could assign an empowering meaning like this.
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"That particular article or story wasn't right for that publisher.
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They're not rejecting me, they're rejecting the work.
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Let me go find another publisher that might be aligned with this particular story."
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You could also make it mean something like this.
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You could say, "You know what? I remember that J. K.
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Rowling got rejected 12 times, and I think Stephen King's Carrie got rejected like 30 times.
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I just need to keep going and build up even more rejections."
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And this isn't about being Pollyanna.
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It's understanding the power that we have of perception and our ability to assign a meaning to any fact that presents itself to us.
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And I think there's something interesting.
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There's this great quote, "Life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it." Chuck Swindoll, right? Pastor.
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I love that because there are going to be hard truths in all of our lives, and I feel like the only thing that we can control is how we contextualize what happens, and therefore how we respond to what happens.
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Does that answer that question?
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That definitely answers that question.
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I love the multiple ways in which you gave of rewiring that same thought with different meaning and stories.
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Well, it I think that's It forces us to be creative, right?
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So, it's like we have to challenge ourselves to see the same exact thing from multiple points of view.
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One of the things um we'll talk about this a little later, but I often love showing people um optical illusions where you can see multiple things in the same exact lines or drawings because it proves that we can all look at the same facts and have a completely different interpretation. Yes.
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Which therefore proves that the situation is not what is bad or good, but the labels and the context and the stories that we lay on top of it. Totally. Totally. I couldn't agree more.
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I think that's a great answer because what you've triggered for me is that we used to make when we don't find a creative understanding of what's just happened, and we don't think more objectively about why this has happened, what's the reason behind it.
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We're basically good at making broad generalizations based on very specific situations. Yes. Right?
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We make this broad generalization based of a very specific situation.
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Like when you said, it could have been because you applied to the wrong job with the wrong type of work with the wrong experience. Right.
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a very specific situation. Yes.
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And you make this broad generalization like, I'm not meant to make it, right? That's right. Like, I'm done.
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I mean, you can look at the same kind of thing, let's say two people lose their job, which is absolutely not a good thing for most of us, right?
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We want to have a living, we need to have the income, we have the responsibility to our families.
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One person says, "That's it. I'm messed up.
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I'm never going to work again. I'm irrelevant."
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That and just starts being and feeling down about themselves, sitting on the couch, sleeping in late, not doing anything productive to change the situation.
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Same person loses the job, says, "You know what?
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This is awful, and this really hurts, and maybe this is the opportunity that I've been looking for to start my own business.
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Or maybe this is an opportunity to find a job that's going to value me more and that I'm actually going to like.
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Different context create different actions, create different outcomes. 100%. I love that. Great onset.
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There's a There's a part in this book that I really loved and it's you talking about the difference between fear and intuition and how we tell the difference. Yes.
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Oh, I can't wait to talk about and I love that section because I think that's something that people struggle with so much.
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Like being able So, it's so funny.
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We talk about when we label things wrong and one of the biggest things we label wrong is the voices in our head.
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Like getting to be able to be aware of Wait, what Who's saying that in my head and where's that coming from?
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Talk me through that because I I love that part.
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So, fear versus intuition.
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So, many of the times what stops us all from figuring something out is we're afraid, right?
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We're afraid maybe we won't be able to do it or we're just afraid of the area that we need to walk into in order to figure it out.
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And then people often have asked me, you know, well, how do I know the difference between healthy fear that would be very good for me to move through versus my intuition or a gut instinct or a hunch going, "No, no, no, no, no.
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That's actually going to be a show." Right?
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Like or that's going to just going to be it's it's something you should not do.
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And that's a really important question. Here's what's awesome.
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You don't need to go asking other people for the answer.
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You have all of the wisdom you need inside of you.
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And just to step back and to create a context for why what I'm about to share is so important for all of us to practice and I still practice it to this day.
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We live in such a sedentary culture, right?
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Where we're spending 8, 10, sometimes 12 hours a day sitting, staring at our screens.
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So, we're living from the neck up and many of us have lost touch with the wisdom and the intelligence that exists in our physical bodies because simply we're not moving enough.
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And as someone who's been a Nike athlete, fitness is a big part of my life, movement is a huge part of my life.
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I see very clearly when I am moving consistently, I have access, it's like a channel opens up where there is so much intelligence and and so much insight that is has nothing to do with my logical reasonable brain.
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It has to do with another plane. Yeah.
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And when I don't, I get up here and it all gets twisted and then I'm unclear.
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So, if you are facing an opportunity, a possibility to say yes to a job, a speaking engagement, a date, who knows, it could be any realm of life, and you're not sure whether you should move ahead with it, here's what you need to do.
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Get to a place where you're quiet. Nothing's around.
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Make sure that there's no technology.
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And I would invite people to close their eyes while they do this.
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So, ask yourself, does the idea of moving ahead with this, of saying yes to this, make me feel expansive or contracted? Mhm.
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In the nanosecond after you ask yourself that question, your body will have a physical response.
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So, let's walk through what expansive who's listening and watching right now, do this with us. Yes.
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So, expansive, and I'll just give some um possibilities, but yours might show up differently.
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So, expansive may actually be as though your shoulders are relaxing and your chest is opening up.
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Expansive may feel like even your physical body is moving ahead in space.
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Expansive may feel like a twinge or a tingle of excitement or joy or anticipation.
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Even if the notion of this feels intimidating to you or like something you've never done before, there is a lightness, a moving forward, a ever so subtle visceral yes, whether it shows up in word form or merely through the movement of your body. That's expansive.
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Now, let's look at the flip side.
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If you ask yourself this question, does the idea of saying yes to this make me feel expansive or contracted?
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And in the nanosecond after you ask that question, you find a pit in your stomach or a sense of dread or your shoulders kind of hunching forward or even your body just shaking back in space or your head saying no.
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That's your intuition trying to save your butt and tell you don't move ahead with this.
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And here's why this is so important, Jay.
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Because often when we're faced with an opportunity that our ego thinks we should move ahead with, right?
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Um either there's a significant amount of money on the line or some type of opportunity that we feel will give us an edge, something beyond the competition or put us on a level that we're playing in a field that we're like, "Yeah, now we've really made it."
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And it looks good on paper, but something inside is like not right.
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That's when we need to listen to this most and use this test because I don't know if you've experienced this, when you override those little feelings of dread, even though everything looks so cool on paper, that's when we get ourselves into trouble and get off track.
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That's completely completely I've experienced that in the same way.
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I can completely everything you just said I was just like and and it's often the way the way I describe it is I say to people like stop trying to because people always ask me, "Do I listen to my head or my heart?"
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And I'm like, "Listen to your gut.
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Like listen to the physical Yes. the physical indicator."
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There are neurons in there which you know that are that have so much intelligence and I think that all of us have access to this innate wisdom, this inner knowing, if we have the courage to be still and to listen to it.
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And again, that takes some practice in a culture that is constantly like this and this and that's always like, "Well, what do you think I should do?"
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Or you know, "What's the money or what's the opportunity or what am I going to get from this?"
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Rather than trusting that you have this innate tool inside that is designed to guide you to your highest and best everything. Absolutely.
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That's such a beautiful answer and I'm so Thank you for guiding us through that, too.
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Like I just Everyone who's listening and watching, make sure you do that again and again and again.
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Expansive or contracted, you can do it anytime.
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you can just you know it straight away.
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That's the most beautiful thing about it that no one has to tell you.
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You'll know it and you'll feel it and then you'll be able to see patterns in that feeling, right?
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You'll be able to be like, I felt that when I did that guy that I wasn't sure about and then I felt it again when I hired that person that wasn't meant to be in my company and then right?
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Like Oh my goodness, that's you just you laid out perfectly.
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Some people often say, well, I don't know how to hear my intuition.
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I'm like, oh, but you do.
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If we go excavating through your past just a little bit and we start surfacing up times when you said yes to something but you kind of felt a little off about it and then afterwards you're like, why did I say yes to that for?
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Look at all of those times, that was your intuition trying to save your butt. Absolutely. Absolutely. I love that. No, and I love that.
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Thank you for sharing that.
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Thank you for making it so practical and and physical and real because I think we get Like you said, we just get lost up in here.
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And I would say in addition to that, too, if someone's still if they do that exercise and they're not quite clear on, you know, expansive or contracted, do something physical that has an intensity to it.
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So, I often go to a spin class if because I it's dark and I can really sweat and I can challenge myself in a safe environment or dance or run or walk around the block.
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I find that when I engage my physical body, the interior channels open up that tap me into a higher source of intelligence that otherwise I can't access.
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I think learning to trust and hear your intuition quicker and earlier in your life and being able to spot the patterns of good and bad. Yes.
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And I started to do that very early on.
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I started to notice that my intuition was always guiding me right when I was going against the grain, doing things that no one else thought were a good idea, and I was fully sold and confident about it.
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So, I remember I took a gap year before I went to university, and that was all my friends went straight to university, and it was like, "What are you doing wasting time?"
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And this is going to be And it was one of the best years of my life.
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And then I chose to become a monk when all my friends went and worked at big companies.
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And again, it was against the grain, and it was And And these were patterns I started to notice in my life.
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So, now when I come to make a decision and I'm going against the grain, no one agrees with me, and I'm really confident about it.
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I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that's my intuition." Like, that's okay. Exactly.
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Instead of second-guessing every time and going, "Oh, well, shouldn't everyone agree with me if this is a good idea?"
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And so And I've noticed that even now when I make that mistake now, there are times with certain things where I think I have less knowledge, Yes. external knowledge, Yes.
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and I'll go against my intuition because I'll have less external knowledge.
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Absolutely, because you assume and I went through this even with the process of writing the book.
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You're like, "Oh, well, so-and-so knows better because this is their business."
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And it's almost like you give yourself a backseat and you abdicate responsibility.
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I've done that where you assume I've done that so many times where I've, you know, wasted money.
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Like, really good money and really good time and, you know, creative resources, same thing, thinking that someone else knows better because I'm less experienced.
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I love that you brought that up.
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And of course, we're all open to feedback, and of course, we're all open to learning, but I think when you have those inner little red signals and flags going off, you trust yourself. Yeah, exactly. Trust yourself.
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And And And otherwise, if you if you made the mistake, make sure you note that down.
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Like, write that down somewhere.
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Like, I remember even something as basic as if I do well in my exams at school, I would never write down why I did well.
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And then the next year I'd be wondering, "Wow, did I revise last year that made me do well?" Yes. Right?
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And if you've done badly and you wrote down why you did badly, next year when it comes around to doing something again, you can avoid that same thing.
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So, I just think it's so important.
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I'm so glad that you wrote about that in the book.
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And for anyone who loves this theme that me and me and Murray both fell in love with talking about, it's better in the book.
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Not as in like there's so much more in the book.
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Not better, there's so much more in the book.
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Yeah, I mean yeah, we have so many exercises and things for for people to do to to dive even deeper.
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Yeah, which I which I'm really excited for people to check out.
34:54
One of the things that I love that you have a chapter on this book is that it's called start before you're ready. Yes.
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And when I read that, and I was just like, yes, this is exactly the advice.
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Like this is what people need to hear. Yes.
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Because I think because of school and because of our education system and because of even when we used to go to school we'd be like, are you ready to go to school?
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It was always about being ready. Right?
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It was like, do you have your uniform on?
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Have you packed your bag?
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Have you got your pencil case?
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Like first day of school syndrome.
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And it's like, are you ready to go to school?
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And it's almost like we're always in this mode of like, I'm not ready yet. Yes. Right?
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Whether it's educationally, whether it's emotionally, whether it's mentally.
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And that kind of becomes one of our biggest excuses to ourself of I'm not ready.
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And I feel I was reflecting on where did this come from when I was reading the book.
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And for me, I think it came from the education system of always being ready before an exam, being ready before a test.
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Everyone So, tell me a bit about how you came to this place in your life. Yes.
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you saw people at other people and their stories of starting before they were ready actually be the tool. Absolutely.
35:59
In my own life, you know, when I was first training in terms of wanting to be a coach and becoming a coach, um it was so much in terms of personal development work and it was awesome.
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I loved working with clients.
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I was like 23, 24 years old and not only was I helping folks try and get results in their own life, I was also doing this work on myself.
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And one of the things I realized was that defining myself as a coach, first of all, it never really quite felt right to me.
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It felt very limiting and narrow and not quite on.
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But I admitted that I had this dream to dance.
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Now, let's set some background.
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No dance training whatsoever.
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Never taken a formal dance class in my life.
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And it was like I was around 24, 25, which sadly in the professional dance world, it's a little over the hill to start, right?
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That's a very, very late start.
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And anyway, I finally got real with myself that I wanted to do this.
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And so I started taking professional dance classes in New York City. And it was amazing.
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I found myself coming alive and coming alive and this was great.
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And so I I um was taking class at Crunch Fitness.
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And my teachers were like, "You're actually really good."
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And I remember Jay, I was literally like, "Are you talking about me?"
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I was like, "What is what Like I don't have any technique."
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They're like, "No, no, no, you should really consider start teaching." And I was like No way. Yeah.
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Which given the fact that previous to that I had, you know, failed on Wall Street.
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I had failed in the magazine industry.
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I had had all these failures and I was keeping myself alive quite frankly cuz I wasn't earning a lot of money as a coach by bartending and waiting tables.
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So the fact that someone thought I was good at something was that just little grain of like, "Oh, you are kind of good at something." It was great.
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Cut to, I said, "All right, I'm going to try out and become um a substitute teacher at Crunch.
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I'm going to teach these hip-hop classes."
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I had no idea what the hell I was doing. so cool. So Love that.
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it was just sheer passion, right?
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And I was just doing everything I could, just trying to make it through.
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One of my first classes ever that I taught on my own, someone came up to me after class and she said, "You're really good."
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And I was like, "Thank you.
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That means the world to me."
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She's like, "You know, I work for MTV and we're working on a new show and we are looking for a choreographer/producer. You should come in."
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And Jay, it was a moment.
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Like this was my first real class ever.
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Again, so like nervous and awkward and unsure of myself.
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So, what came through my head? You're not ready yet.
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That I was like I was even praying.
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I was like, "Universe, why did this have to happen?
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I am certainly not ready. I'm not good.
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I don't know what the hell's going on, but this is amazing opportunity cuz I grew up on MTV."
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So, I couldn't say no, right?
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Because again, I could hear my inner clock going like, "Girl, you're not getting any younger, so you might as well say yes."
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So, I said yes to this opportunity.
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And I remember standing outside of the Viacom building in New York City the day before I was like when I was about to go up for this interview that afternoon.
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And Jay, I wanted to throw up. Like I was so nauseous. I was so not ready.
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Like I was actually thinking, "Should I throw up in this like metal trash can or should I like go inside and go to the bathroom so that I can clean myself up before I actually went to the interview?"
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So, I went to the building and um I stood in front of the boss's door, the the the person who I was going to interview with, and I like shook myself out, and I just said, "You are not ready, but you're going to start before you're ready because this is an incredible opportunity, and no matter what happens, you're going to feel good about yourself that you just went for it."
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And I went in for that interview, and I booked the job. Wow.
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And so, it was this experience of me putting myself into a kind of this whole world that I was in over my head. So, let's be clear.
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I was working with dancers that had decades more experience than I did.
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They were talking about dance terms that not only could I not perform, I didn't even know what the hell they were.
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But I made my way through by showing up as professionally as I could, by being honest about my inexperience, but also by bringing my gifts that I did have to the table.
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And that one opportunity, dancing and choreographing and producing for MTV, that led to fitness videos.
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That led to this increased learning curve where I got to learn basically 3 to 4 years worth of experience in like three months, which eventually led to me choreographing commercials for Reebok and then eventually becoming um one of the world's first Nike elite dance athletes.
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All because I was willing to start before I was ready.
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And every single area of my life, I still do it in business to this day.
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There's so many things I say yes to that I'm like somewhere in the back of my mind like you're not ready yet and I'm like that means I got to go.
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That means I got to strap myself in and go like we're doing this. I will learn as I go. Yeah.
40:46
So, this idea of starting before we're ready, it doesn't mean that we're irresponsible. Mhm.
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Doesn't mean that we don't do our research and it doesn't mean that we override our intuition that if perhaps, you know, there was years ago and I'll say this that people approached me to write a book and I legitimately wasn't ready yet, but it was because my focus was in other areas. I had other priorities.
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I knew from a deeper level it wasn't about the fear, it was about trusting my own timing. Yes.
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But when you know you want to do something and you're clear that this is your path using the mantra start before you're ready is an amazing way to beat procrastination, to leapfrog over your fear and to get going. Yeah.
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And to push out of that desire of perfection Yes.
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and planning and what we were saying earlier of like just having this addiction, like perfection addiction of like Yes.
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everything's going to be perfect before I start. Yes.
41:43
Everything's going to be in right in place and and I can so, so agree with you.
41:46
I I remember getting my first book offer to me after my first ever video and by one of my first viral videos and I was approached by a an amazing publisher that I would have dreamt of being published by before and they were like we'd love you to do a book and and when I sat there and and it wasn't that again, same as what you're saying I just knew at that time that my focus had to be something else.
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It wasn't and and it was that I wouldn't I didn't really know what I'd want to write a book about in full.
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Like that's how unready I was.
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Like it wasn't like I had no idea.
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I was like, but I want to focus on this.
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I want to build this and then I will come to that, rather than like actually I'm not going to do anything right now because I'm not ready yet. That's right.
42:23
And I think that that discernment and and digging into this nuance is so important for people to hear because yeah, you know, starting before you're ready doesn't mean that you're going to throw your life into chaos. Totally.
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But I think for anyone listening who feels stuck and you we all have felt that, right?
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Where you're just like Like I really want to do it.
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Start before you're ready will kick start you into action and action really is the antidote to fear.
42:47
100% 100% and you have this graph in your book as well.
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You this little squiggle.
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Oh, progress versus perfection.
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And and it's true like when you start before you're ready, you are going to have a lot more of this and a lot more of this. Yes.
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don't start, you're not going to have anything, right?
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Like you're just there like you're this dot.
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I think people have this mistaken notion that if you're making real progress, legitimate progress towards a particular goal, people see it as a line that goes straight up on a graph.
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So like you start at the bottom, started from the bottom and now we're here, right?
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But it's like all neat and tied together.
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In my experience and what I've seen just working with so many people is progress actually goes up and then it reverses and then it goes down and then it goes in some circles and then it reverses and then it goes up and then it goes down again.
43:34
So progress is this squiggly line and so many of us feel that if we fall on our faces, which I've done so many times, we feel that if we hit a wall, which I've done so many times, that we're not making progress, but that's untrue.
43:48
Can I tell a quick story? Yeah, please. I'd love to hear one.
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So um one of our B-Schoolers.
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So So B-School is a program that I've been doing for a decade.
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It's it's online business school for modern entrepreneurs.
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We've had over 55,000 people go through the program. So it's about Thank you. Thank you for that.
44:04
I want to I'll a story about one of our B-Schoolers cuz so perfectly illustrates what we're talking about.
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So, a woman named Molly, she had seen a video I did with another grad where this grad was going like, "I had my first $30,000 a month."
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And so, Molly saw that, she was like, "Wait, what?
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Like, I had never even knew that was possible."
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So, it opened up a possibility for her that she had never recognized before.
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I think that's why it's so important for us to witness each other in what's possible cuz sometimes you can't see what you don't You know, you can't become what you don't see.
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So, Molly said, "I would love to have my own business."
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She didn't have an idea for a business.
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She had no business experience.
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It was just this little seed of a dream, like many of us have around a relationship or our health or creative project.
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We don't know how we're going to do it.
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We have no experience doing it, but we want that thing, like dance for me. Mhm.
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So, Molly did the program fine, fine, fine.
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She worked for 2 years, Jay, and she kept failing. Business wasn't working.
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She was do She showed up in the program. She's trying everything.
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Not working, not working, not working.
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And she wrote to us and she was so disappointed in herself.
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And we said, "Hey, don't be Like, you're you're actually making progress. Hang out."
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Like, we gave her some coaching.
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We advised her to go into our member area and talk with the community.
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She actually took the feedback from everyone.
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She retooled and then we didn't hear from her for a little while. Cut to year three.
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We get an email from Molly.
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"You are not going to believe this."
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And we're just like, "Okay, what's happening, girl?"
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In 1 month, she had more than doubled that She's like, "I just brought in $66,000."
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She actually had a real working business.
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She had completely surpassed what her original inspiration was that was so far beyond anything that she could have comprehended at that point, but it didn't happen until well into year three.
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And the reason I want to tell this story is this.
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So many of us have this mistaken idea that in that year or that 2 years that we're not actually making progress, but we are. Yeah. Right? Yes.
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And if she hadn't kept going, she would have never realized that little seed of a dream that was originally there, that was real, but she had to go through the squiggles like we all do Yeah.
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before we keep getting to that next level.
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So, I just want to tell that progress, not perfection.
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If you are making progress in any regard, if you are learning something, even if it's a tough lesson, if you are moving forward, if you are making adjustments and evolving or iterating, guess what? You're making progress. Yeah. Keep going. Absolutely. Absolutely.
46:37
This is one of the things when when we were amongst the way we would It was we were trying to rewire our brain this way was planting seeds.
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And so, when you actually plant a seedling and then you water every day and you make sure it gets sun, you realize that thing doesn't grow No. days. It's under the surface. It's under the surface.
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cuz the roots having a spread, Yes.
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trying to grow underneath in the foundation.
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And you're going, "God, when is this thing going to grow?"
46:59
And then you finally see it grow. Yes.
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And then it just looks like this little weak thing and you're like, "Oh God, like that's never going to grow into anything significant."
47:08
And then it grows and grows and grows and finally it grows and then you see flowers and then you see fruits.
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And it's almost like that fruit you were never going to get that fruit if you gave up watering it on day two.
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Or you picked out that little seedling on week three because you're like, "Man, that's not working.
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It's not going fast enough." it.
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Yeah, you just ignore it.
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And And it's just like you have to rewire your brain for that patience and persistence and what you're saying, progress not perfection. That's right.
47:35
Because you're not going to get that fruit, that flower, that paycheck, that $66,000 you know, reward, whatever it is, if if you're impatient and forcing it, you can't force it to grow.
47:46
I could I could even over-water it for one day and that would actually destroy its growth. Yeah.
47:52
And And that's And And so, that's where I always wonder, when and how do we figure out if we've pushed too much, spent too much money, and now it's like maybe this isn't for you, or is the goal wrong, or is the process wrong, or tell me about that other extreme. I love this.
48:10
So, this is kind of getting into the the nitty-gritty.
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So, I would say um the conversation that we had a little bit ago about intuition is really important here because it's going to be different.
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And I think it's also important to make the distinction that giving up isn't the same thing as moving on. Mhm.
48:26
There is something known as the power of positive quitting. So, another quick story.
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So, I remember earlier on in my career before I had um a team and had resources, and again, I've been doing this for 20 years, so we're talking like back in the early days when I was still doing all my own customer service, it was basically me and like a virtual assistant, that was it.
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I had this idea to build a custom membership site, and this is way back in the day when that's like unheard of.
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And I think the thing cost me like $5,000, which was like $5,000 that I did not have at that time, so that was an enormous First of all, that's still a lot of money, and it was an enormous scary investment for me at that time.
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It was a new coaching program.
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And um I had was so excited that a bunch of people said yes to this coaching program, and they were starting to log in, and Jay, the thing melted down. It crashed.
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It was such a hot mess, and I was just not only was I mortified, but customer experience and customer service and taking care of people is everything to me.
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Like, that's my heart and soul.
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And I just remember going like, you know, this is not going to work. This is it.
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Like, I I'm going to quit not as a coach, but I'm going to get people off of this really shitty platform.
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I'm going to put them on a hosted platform.
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I am going to over-deliver and take care of them, but I'm not going to keep pouring money into this or beating myself up because, you know, this thing crashed and burned.
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I'm going to take the lessons from it and I'm going to pivot and move on.
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So, I think when it comes to understanding whether or not you're kind of done with something and you're ready to move on, I think people have to get honest with themselves about their motivation. Mhm.
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So, one of the things that I've seen, especially as it relates to career and especially business, when folks start a business purely to make money, that's when it never works.
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So, I always like to invite people never start a business to make money, start a business to make a difference. Yeah.
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And all of us as entrepreneurs and creatives and multi-passionate creatives, we need to stay nimble and evolve because the market's evolving, technology's evolving, we're evolving as humans and as is the market.
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But if you're trying to push something that in your heart of heart you're not truly committed to and you're just trying to get some external reward like fame, recognition, the dollar bills, whatever it could be, it's not going to work. Definitely.
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I think I'm so glad that you spoke about that because I couldn't agree more.
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I I always say to people like if you're pushing to make something happen and you're doing it to make a difference or an impact or a service, that actually keeps driving you.
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And if you've lost that drive for something, it's probably because that's not the reason why you were doing it, right?
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Because otherwise you wouldn't lose the drive for it if it was that meaningful to you.
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And so, I've always said to people I have right now I probably have and I'll be I'll give a genuine honest number, I won't give an amplified number.
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I probably have ideas for three other things I could be doing that I think could be huge financially.
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Like I'm convinced that I have three ideas that have been verified by venture capitalists and all the rest of it that I know would be financially very successful.
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But I couldn't die for any of them.
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Like I don't really care if I did them.
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Like someone else could take them and make money from them, I'd be okay.
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Like but what I'm doing right now, what we're doing right now, that's something I'm willing to die for.
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Like that's something that I'm committed to.
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It's something that I've worked very hard to do and I've been driven by that service or that impact or that difference.
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And I think that for all of us, you know, if someone's thinking about, you know, God, have I hit the ceiling on it?
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That's the really good litmus test between you and you.
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You know, again, I had side jobs for 7 years as I was starting this business.
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I mean, everything from bartending, waiting tables, cleaning people's toilets. I taught a lot.
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I did anything I possibly could because the coaching and the creating and the writing and the connecting with others, like that was my dream.
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And no matter how long it was going to take, I didn't even know if it would eventually work. That's the truth of it. I had no idea.
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But I was fine eating my mac and cheese and my peanut butter and jelly because I was really doing the thing that I felt like I was meant to do in the world. Yeah, I love that.
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I'm so glad you did that. Mhm, me too.
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glad you pushed through and I'm so glad and and this is why I say to everyone, it's like, when I'm hearing you say all of that, I'm just like, I'm so glad because it just makes the story better. Right?
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Like all those situations.
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And what I mean by that is not from a marketing point of view, not from a sales point of view, but that's what we can all connect with. Yes.
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The multiple jobs at the same time, like the multiple rejections, the ups and the downs, that's what everyone's story is, but for some reason we look at all these posters and we think, oh yeah, but they didn't have that.
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And that's just because we don't do enough research.
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I feel like we don't actually dive so deeply into the people we admire and really look at their backstories and really look at their failures and rejections.
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Because otherwise then we'd see that we're on the same path. The same exact path.
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And I think one of the things you've probably noticed this too because you've had such incredibly rich conversations with just so many incredible people.
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You know, is every person on the planet has their own struggles even right now.
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No matter what you're saying, like people are battling things privately and that's their right to, you know, not everyone has to share everything.
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But, you know, no matter how much perceived power or fame or money someone has, it's like they're having hard times, too. Mhm.
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And they have the self-doubt, and they have the fear, and they have their own versions of of struggles.
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And I think when we realize that, we stop putting people on pedestals and start recognizing that we have so much more in common than we do in terms of our differences. Absolutely. Thank you, Marie.
54:02
So, I end every interview with final five questions. Oh, bring it on.
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A final five rapid-fire round, quick-fire round.
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So, you have to answer with either one word or one sentence maximum.
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Okay, I'm up for the challenge.
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And and and I'll go off tangent if I feel if you say something and I'm like, "Oh, it's usually me who ruins it for the guest." But, here we go.
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So, the first thing is first thing you say to yourself when you wake up in the morning. Good morning. I love In that voice? Kind of. Like, in my own head.
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I don't say it out loud, but I'm like, "All right, good morning, girl." I love that.
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The last thing you say to yourself before you go to bed. So tired. I like it.
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Thank you for the honesty.
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Uh third question, the best advice you've ever received.
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That your heart is the strongest part of you. Nice.
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Uh fourth question, the worst advice you've ever received. Hm.
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I The sentence I'm going to say, I feel like my brain must have deleted it cuz I literally have nothing right now. Oh, nice. Okay, that's good.
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It must have deleted it cuz I'm like, Oh, I can't think of it. Yes. Yeah. I like it. That's awesome.
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And the fifth and final question is, what are your What are three truths that you live by?
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So, one is obviously everything is figureoutable.
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Everything is figureoutable.
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Um the next truth is there is nothing more important in this world for any of us than the quality of our relationships and our connections.
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That, and I think that um the third thing Clarity comes from engagement, not thought. Hm. Explain that.
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I want to hear more of that.
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So, so many times for many of us we have these notions of what could be possible or what we might want to do or what something could feel like, but we spend so much time in our minds rather than actively engaging to discover it.
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So, rather than pro-con lists or rather than, you know, sitting on the couch kind of going, "Oh, I don't know if I should."
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I think living by this idea that clarity comes from engagement, not thought, gets us out into the world, gets us physically engaged, and activates this open channel within to feel our way into our truth rather than think our way into what we, you know, have a notion is this going to make me happy or not.
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And I feel like when we lead from this, when we lead from our heart, and we tell our truth from engagement, that's where the magic is. That's great advice. I love that. Thank you so much.
56:23
Marie was telling me, and this is interesting to me because I'm working on my book right now.
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Marie was telling me that there was a ton of stuff that actually didn't make it into her book.
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Now, whenever I hear stuff like that, I'm like, "That's the stuff I really want to know about."
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Because if an author creates something and it doesn't get in there, not because it's not good enough, but because it's context, space, whatever it is.
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Tell me Tell us about why.
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Yeah, so it was this amazing chapter that I had worked for weeks on.
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And my publisher, who I really trust, and my editor, they're like, "Oh, well, we felt the natural ending was here." And no, no, no.
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And I was like, yeah, at first I was crestfallen.
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It felt like a punch in the gut.
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And then, when I relooked at the material, I was like, "Oh, no.
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I think I could actually teach this better if I had the benefit of my voice, and I had videos, and I actually had worksheets, and could actually coach people through it."
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So, it was this acronym, this little formula I created to help people embed the belief, everything is figureoutable, into their consciousness, into their mind, into their soul in a really organic way.
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So, I said to myself, "Okay, I actually still want to give this to folks, but I want to do it for free, and just teach everyone.
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There's no upsells, there's no anything.
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It's just another part of the book that just didn't make it into the pages that I actually feel will be more effective if done collectively and done um online.
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So, there's behavioral science, there's neuroscience that backs all of this up. And so, it's free.
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It's happening October 14th.
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If you just go to everythingisfigureoutable.
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com, you'll see a little link and if you're interested, you can totally take the course completely on me and with um you know, tens of thousands of other people and you'll learn this five-step formula that will help you figure everything out and embed the belief into your mind and soul. I love that. That's so awesome.
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I'm so glad you're doing that, especially with the point of embedding it into your Yeah. psychology.
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Well, cuz my friend asked me, she's like, "Well, this is great cuz you learn this belief as a child, which we talk about in the book, and it's been my own internal operating system for so long."
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And she's like, "Yeah, but how can you help it be mine?"
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And I was like, "Oh, I got you. I got you."
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And so, that's what we did.
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We created a little system for people and I talk about it like it's an emergency first aid kit or like a life preserver.
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If you ever forget that everything is figureoutable or you find yourself feeling stuck or overwhelmed or just unsure how to move ahead, you'll have this wonderful little tool that you can use for life and it's free and it's all yours. Amazing.
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And when and where do they sign up?
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So, go to everythingisfigureoutable.
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com and there'll be a link about the course.
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And again, it's 100% free.
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You can invite your friends. Just come do it.
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Everyone who's been listening and watching, let's give a huge round of applause in our hearts for Marie. That was amazing. Thank you so much.
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Thank you for having me on.
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Everything out is figureoutable is out on September 10th.
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If you're listening to this right now, I'm guessing the book is already out or about to be out.
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Make sure you go and pre-order if you are hearing this before and if it's already out, make sure you go and buy the book to dive deeper into this conversation.
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If you want to overcome your fears, if you want to understand how to get started before you're ready, if you want to know how to make progress even without feeling that you're perfect, which none of us are, and if you actually want to start driving towards your dream, this is the book for you.
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Make sure you go and get it.
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Don't hesitate to buy this book.
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This conversation should have given you the insights into the kind of things that are inside.
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There's so many more incredible stories that I've read inside the book that I can't wait for you to hear because the more you fill your life up with those stories, the more you'll be able to believe that everything is figureoutable.
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So, thank you so much again, Marie Thank you, Jay.
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Thank you for being here.
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Thank you for who you are in the world. You're so amazing. I adore you. Thank you. thank you, sweets.
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Thank you for watching and listening, everyone.
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Make sure you share this episode.
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