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Ladies and gentlemen, would you put your hands together and welcome two wonderful people?
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>> Phineas and Ash the Favors are here.
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Oh my gosh, I'm so happy to see your smiling face. Well, you're smiling. Why are you smiling?
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>> I'm smiling right now. More smising.
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Um, and how we have this this wonderful debut album from two people who I feel probably could have made 10 albums by now given the nature of your friendship and how close you both are.
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But boy, did you time it right. I love it. the dream. Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. How you feeling now? It's getting real close. Real close. >> Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah.
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I feel like a little kid.
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It's like this is my Christmas.
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I'm so thrilled and, you know, grateful and yeah, we just made something I love so much and was someone I love so much.
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And >> yeah, it's beautiful.
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It's going to make actually for a very special Christmas because you'll have done the shows and put the music out and live with it for a minute and everyone will love it and you'll know that there's a a long road if you want there to be for this beautiful kind of on andoff favors experience.
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So you'll be able to like take, you know, put your feet up this Christmas and be like, "Fuck yeah, we achieved something this year. We pulled it off."
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>> Ash also has like double duty cuz she's about to get married.
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So Ash has like congratulations. >> Amazing.
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>> She goes from like we're playing a show this weekend in Hollywood Forever Cemetery.
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We have a couple days between favors where she goes and does like Ash solo shows. Then we go to New York.
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>> Then we go to Austin, Texas for Austin City Limits. >> You see? Oh yeah.
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>> And it's like weekend of that, weekend of that, and then the weekend of her wedding. So it's like busy ass.
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>> That's a lot of going on. That's a lot of life.
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>> So her December really will be like >> my heart is racing right now.
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I bet you've got a lot going on.
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So somehow in between shows, you're taste testing and that's probably already done. >> Seating chart.
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>> The seating chart definitely is a nightmare.
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figuring out where to put Fineas. >> Where is he sitting? >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Yeah, I know. Right. >> Who knows?
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>> At a table with our band, probably. >> Oh, right. >> Band table. >> At the back. >> Yeah.
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>> A little bit at the back.
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Put a little bit at the back cuz the trouble the trouble always has to go to the back.
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And not because they're trouble, but because all the good fun starts at the back and then sweeps through the formality of a wedding, right?
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Not to say you're going to have an overly formal wedding, but there's just this formality that comes with these things.
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What you want is the people standing up and then the people closest to the bride and groom start to feel the wave of energy.
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>> I also feel like I kind of have to hide him cuz I'm going to have that one random aunt that's going to want to go up to you.
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>> Oh my god, you're so cute. I love you. You're so great. >> I should warn you. I'll >> prepare you.
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I listen to your music all the time. >> You're an old soul. You're an old soul.
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>> Till the world falls apart. I love I love that song. You're such an old soul.
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Did you used to get that as a kid?
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I feel like >> I've called you an old.
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>> You are an old Thanks. I appreciate it.
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I feel like that's just like a thing that I'm prepared to say that like that just seems like >> Do you mean that a person isn't like the dumbest kid you've ever talked to? Do you know what I mean?
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It's like it's it's it's like less of a compliment and more of a like >> it's a light compliment, >> but it was also definitely a gateway drug for old people to dump their on you.
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>> They're like, "This is my trauma dump opportunity. This is my trauma dump.
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You can't trauma bond with him. He's seven.
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His biggest concern is is Minecraft. Relax.
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>> I mean, I met Phineas. He was 19 when we met.
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And like a few months later, I was going through divorce and I was like, I called him first. Like what? Poor kid.
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>> Like I definitely went through it. I know who to call.
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>> No, but you need those friends in your life for sure. And you do have that.
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I mean, that's what makes you such a special collaborator and person to write music with because, you know, you have this incredible ability to listen and translate and not own someone's feelings, but make them understand them a little bit better.
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Sweet of you to say, Ash is like that, too, man.
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I mean, I think that like, >> you know, our sort of uh our our friendship is really has a lot to do with um a kind of a mutual like curiosity. Mhm.
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>> I think that like >> over the years I've I've sort of looked at like why I feel super affectionately towards somebody and obviously like people's talent or energy is important but I think people's curiosity is this big under represented >> societal my favorite words. >> Yeah.
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I mean you have a job that really has >> I feel like 89% to do with curiosity.
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>> Pretty unlimited curiosity. Definitely.
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On a day like today where I sort of get to spend time talking with you about music and everything that goes through it, it's very different to the next conversation have.
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And >> that's one of the things I love about it for sure.
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>> Do you ever have to do a thing where like we leave the room and somebody else comes in or maybe somebody else has left and we come in and you have a like >> So, >> wa severance severance. No, for sure.
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That happened last week because we had hoy. >> Yeah.
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>> And then we went straight into spinal tap >> with no break. Whoa.
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And >> so with Holly, you have to like or maybe you don't have to, but like maybe you are using like I don't know 10 she's celebrating her 10 years of Badlands, right? That's why she's here.
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>> But you know Ash, I mean she was and this is going to come out I guess this week when next week Nick this week.
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>> It was a very honest Ash it was a very honest posy.
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She was very very upfront about >> it was but this is what I'm saying is that's what >> that's what I'm saying.
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>> What do you do for the pallet cleanser between those two? >> Yeah.
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You have a slice of ginger and a little bit of wasabi and make it work. >> Yeah, exactly.
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>> Sniff some coffee beans. >> Yeah, exactly.
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The album starts really in in in in a beautiful kind of sort of soft duet kind of a really playful wonderful kind of introduction of each other.
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It's like you almost convince us that you don't know each other, which I really really like.
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It's like we're meeting for the first time somewhere on maybe on a train station or something like that. You know what I mean?
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It's like there's a sense of like a a first impression of the favors which is um restless little heart.
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We can't play that cuz it's not out.
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Uh but then but then what I really love about it is it goes it goes very quickly into the dream and it feels very much like there's a band in the room to the point where >> we hear you off mic kind of like all right Ash energy. >> It's like it up.
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All those little all those little adlibs and things Phineas purposely left in there.
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And there's a there's like a is it the end of the dream or David's brother where >> uh David's kit like >> Yeah.
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The symbols at the end falls and he's like did you see a symbol?
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I was like that's so sick. Yeah.
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and you're like, "Fuck yeah, that's awesome. Rock that shit."
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>> Yeah, we were very like we were having a really cute sort of like uh band romantic cinematic experience, you know?
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>> I love that you k that stuff in because it does bring us into the room straight away.
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There's a lot of times and you know this in recorded music both of you that you know that stuff gets shaved off.
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It gets like no no it's not perfect. It's got to be perfect.
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>> And sometimes that's the right thing to do.
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Sometimes you're like that's super annoying that we left that in there.
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>> Yeah, we took out a couple. >> It's charming.
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The ones we left are I think are >> I left all of them in initially and then like the song the Hudson >> which is a very like to me Ash brought that song in like to me that's like the on the more tragic side of the record.
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I think that's like a tragic record >> and we'd played the song 45 times by the time we were like cutting it >> and originally the end of it is us like like finishing the song and like like laughing at something somebody said or made a face or whatever >> sort of undermines the tragedy. >> Yeah. Exactly.
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And so I was like that's fine.
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And then when I was like mixing the record I was like we got to cut this because like yeah it does sort of cancel out the thing that I really want to sit with at the end of that song.
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>> Thank goodness you were able to to your point about how I do it and you compartmentalize yourself away from someone who enjoy the room to someone who has to finish the record and present it to everybody else because it it can't just belong to you forever.
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You have to that's what a mix my son told me the other day is like mixing is where he takes it out of your hands and makes it and puts it in everybody else's hands. Is that how he talks? >> A little bit. A little bit. >> Poor kid. >> A little bit.
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But yeah, I definitely paint painted a bad picture there.
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But really, I was focusing on the smart quote, but uh but you know, you know, he really, you know, that's what it is.
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And and so it must have been really nice in a way to be able to successfully do that and listen back to the record away from the party of making it. >> Yeah.
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No, it was really helpful.
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>> Yeah. No, it was really helpful. Aaron Forbes who is like my music director of many years and co-mixed Billy's record and co-mixed my record mixed this album with me and >> you know he's great and that was really we kept this such an insular process and he was like the sort of only real outsider that came into the sort of
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creation of these songs and it was really helpful because first of all we didn't have to take it to too many people it was really him and then a mastering engineer Rory Flity was amazing but just having one person who wasn't around for the writing or the recording >> to really just sort of editorialize was >> was a kind of a relief. >> Yeah. You know, and like am I crazy? We >> Yeah.
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You know, and like am I crazy?
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We had a great time making this.
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Well, other people enjoy it as much as we enjoyed making it.
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The answer is most certainly yes. Uh it is a sad story. I I don't know.
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I didn't find it like I I there was also some something very um charming in there as well.
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It's not like it's you know I wasn't listening to like by Tom York, you know, but >> good.
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But but but like tell us the story about writing this because if you brought this one in and you had the courage to share it with everybody and and say, "Hey, look, you know, I might I might have one that's kind of already pretty baked."
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I mean, >> where did it come from?
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>> This was one of the first ones I brought in.
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I brought in a few and Finn did as well.
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Little Mess is that song, Vineas, >> cuz most of the record is very much us together writing it.
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Um, and it gave us a jumping off point to just like where the heck do we start or begin.
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And I don't know, I I've always sort of lingered over a tortured love lost that always, you know, I love writing about that.
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And this was an opportunity in the setting between Phineas and I to like create our own narrative and script and kind of create a whole new world.
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And so, uh, yeah, I started with this song that was, you know, rooted in an original like heartbreak and falling in love with this guy in New York who totally like, you know, the one that got away kind of feeling and um, and yeah, I brought it to Phineas and I was like, what you what do you think about this?
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And it just felt really right for I don't know, the sound felt right for our >> little band.
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>> You painted a perfect picture.
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I've I've stood there in Hudson Yards and watched that sun go down over the Hudson and >> with the church in the front of it and it's something >> Yeah.
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the trees were bare naked and so were we.
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>> When I wrote that line, I was like so happy about it. >> Such a good one.
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Over the the last couple years, I've I've been I feel like we've talked about this, but like I've become like more and more focused on sort of like loving and and being involved in a process that's really >> joyous and satisfying.
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I think >> not just results driven. Yeah. >> Yeah.
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I think because you have so little control over the results portion of it.
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And also even if you can guarantee that something's going to be successful, the results portion of it is like a small fragment of the your whole life, which is right.
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It's like you're, you know what I mean?
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You could do an interview in here that you're like, "Oh, that's that was really good."
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But if during the interview you're like, I hated that room I was in.
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There was no daylight or whatever.
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You really have to be like, I I can do that again.
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It's like a sustainability. >> Yeah.
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God forbid you have a hit song that you hate or that you had a terrible experience making it cuz for the rest of your life, you're going to have to do that.
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>> You're going to make friends with that song pretty fast.
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>> Like I will happily sing this at 70. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> With Phineas hope >> if the world doesn't burn down >> and Well, there is that. >> We'll see.
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>> But uh I don't want to I don't want to take anything away from the joy of this of this as a first impression, but these songs will sound even better with 70. Who?
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>> Cuz because you will because you will just live in them and live in them.
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>> We were so young and happy >> and literally like on ordinary people there's a moment when you say I'm not ready and you laugh and the take and it's so cute >> which we almost took out.
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>> That was I would have been so mad if I'd known that. >> That was a live take.
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That was like why we >> that was why we uh you know went with that one.
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We we we doubled back and tried to re-record that to click and do a better job.
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And I was just like, "Dude, it's so that was like within an hour of us having written it and and shown it to David on drums and Ricky on guitar was like doing that take and it's rough and I'm giggling and whatever and >> you're like, you got to keep that on. It's too fun."
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>> Well, that's part of what makes this album The Dream by the Favors who I guess everybody listening and watching around the world are such an endearing and great experience to listen to is because you really, like I said, a lot of times people make music and they they dress it up to such a degree it's like I'm almost not invited.
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I have to make it my party because I'm not actually invited to the party that made it, right?
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>> And you guys invite everybody to the party on this record.
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Like we in the room with you, which is >> which is really fun. >> That's awesome.
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>> I'm so happy you say that.
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>> So, how long how long did you guys like enjoy making this for?
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>> Um, >> how long did you go for?
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>> Started really close to two years ago in ter Ash flew out around Halloween 2023 >> because you're in Nashville, right? >> Yeah, that's fun.
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>> Yeah, I love it there.
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Yeah, Halloween was the first trip and I was coming out of a real musical hiatus and like hadn't been in the world at all.
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Came to LA, we started working on this record, like went to Halloween parties with Phineas >> and I was like, where am I? What is this universe? Totally other.
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I was in a very like domestic gardening. >> Yeah.
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>> Painting murals in my bathroom.
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>> Getting your life back in order kind of time.
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That's what that stuff is all about, right?
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It's like what's really important right now. >> Yeah.
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And obviously what also was so important to me was making music with my friend.
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>> And so it was like a nice reintroduction to the world.
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But then I went back home and was like, "Okay."
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>> And then I want to say I came back in I don't know.
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April that was like the two writing trip.
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>> Were you the favors at this point or were you just mucking around? >> We had a name. Yeah.
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We kind of premeditated all of the the sort of uh ingredients so to speak, right?
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We were like let's let's make a record as a band. Let's have a band name.
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Can I ask if one of you was a little more prepared for that than the other?
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Or did did one of you sort of come and sort of say, "Hey, look, I think we should like solidify this and not just make it a Phineas Ash collaboration thing. We should be a band."
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>> No, Ash's first text was like, "Let's make it a band."
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Like it was the the very first thing was not do you want to make some songs.
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make some songs. really really loved it that it was you that said that because obviously only because at the time Phineas was active making music and it would have been easier to assume that he was in the matrix of kind of frameworks and oh we could do it like this and this and position this would work perfectly in my life and between this album this
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album this part of my life >> but you were out there painting and hanging out in the garden and just figuring out what what you know what to what to how to you know make a really great balance for your life and then you're thinking you know what maybe I want to be in a band just fire off the text you want to start a band like it's just such like a random like It's so cool. >> I was really hoping also that Phineas
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>> I was really hoping also that Phineas would be like maybe in a phase of his life where he was bored in some way and it could bring like >> No, he's he is so I mean he's the consmate professional artist just like brilliant and always has his hand in so many different uh fields and he's so proficient at all of them.
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But I knew this wasn't in a band. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's the one thing he hasn't.
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>> You know what would would have broken my heart is if I found out Fineia started a band with somebody else >> and they didn't invite me to be >> flushing it out in a strange way.
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>> I was beating someone else to the punch. >> Yeah. She also was was right.
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I really felt like I needed some new um thing to kind of rediscover how to do something.
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I mean, I was like, even though you're saying I was in the middle of something, the the things I was in the middle of at the time when Ash sent me the text, I was in the middle of making Billy's third record and I was working on this TV show score >> and I was sort of procrastinating making another solo record because it sounded lonely.
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And so I was like, >> you know what, this is actually going to solve my problem, which is like this is going to I'm going to get to sing and write for myself, but in this super collaborative process >> and bring your buddies with you, too.
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Ash and then we brought our my other two buddies.
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It's like it's all been such a fun I mean you know you know Ricky Gourmet had a great year with the the Audrey Hobert record and everything >> producing wonderful things.
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I know some other things he's cooking up right now.
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Great taste but uh so it's all been really super fun and collaborative which is like you know it's you feel like I bet you feel this way too.
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It's like rare and lucky enough to succeed in any format at all. You know what I mean?
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Like if it were just me riding Billy's coattails forever, >> two thumbs up. It's been awesome.
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>> And then like I've had some success on my own as a solo artist also feel super privileged.
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And then it's like oh my god, we get to do this whole new format and bring >> like one person I've known since I was 15 in and Ash who I've known since I was 19.
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Like there's this kind of collaborative thing. It's so fun.
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>> I think this applies to both of you is it's like one step leads to the next which sounds like an obvious thing to say. how we move in life.
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But often we try to control things and and create these opportunities before they even happen.
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>> And what I love is the fact that, you know, of course you and Billy have an amazing collaborative and creative relationship regardless of the family, >> the family bond.
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And the friendship here is is and and across the favors makes total sense.
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But >> when you describe it as like there's that, then there's my record and then there's your music and then there's the favors.
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>> They all are encouraging each other to exist.
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Nothing is distracting from each other.
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It's one beautiful thing.
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>> It makes everything better too.
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Like I am a better songwriter and artist because I wrote the >> dream and these guys. >> Yeah.
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>> Like that's always what I want.
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>> To me it's the difference between like a filmmaker making you know like Paul Thomas Anderson making There Will Be Blood and Phantom Thread and The Master versus like this movie and a sequel to this movie and a sequel to that movie and a sequel.
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I'm going to learn more as a creative.
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Again, there's movies where like I love the sequel and the third one against Die Hard 3.
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I was about to say John Wick has some redeeming qualities. >> No.
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And again, like you know, this is a different, you know, ball wax, but like the Lord of the Rings trilogies like I love those films so much.
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Also, I'm kind of just saying that as a as a creative, as a creative, I think I would learn more >> from just going a completely different direction and making a totally different film with different characters.
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And that's kind of how making the dream album feels >> until you've made your 10th Favors record and I'm going to keep you honest and you're going to be like, "Yeah, it's the same awesome quality top to bottom."
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>> How are the shows though? Okay.
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>> Well, we're about to do we've got a we got two shows in the rest Well, yeah.
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We've got LA and New York and then we've got ACL.
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So, we've got I guess three cities.
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>> No, you got Red Rocks.
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Red Rocks had to Red Rocks had to go.
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We had we had scheduling conflicts, but maybe next year. We shall see. >> Not for me.
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I was going to make that possibly my first Red Rock. >> Oh, sorry.
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>> I mean, I'm getting super married. >> Oh, it's you. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's your marriage.
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>> I mean, there's a lot to it, but >> nuts. >> Yeah. >> So pointed. It's your marriage.
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>> Rehearsals though are like kind of >> They've been really fun.
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Are we talking about waiting rehearsals or band rehearsals? Right. >> Band rehearsals. >> Okay.
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So, we're doing these rehearsals and the thing about rehearsal for anybody who's listening is like >> it's the same amount of work for one show that it would be for 50 if we were doing a world tour.
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>> Why do you think Coldplay have been on the road for 6 years?
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It's way more effort to get off the road and stay on it.
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>> I think I've told you this but maybe I haven't.
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I was at a restaurant recent I was at Crossroads in West Hollywood. >> Yeah.
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And Tony Canal from No Doubt was there >> and >> famous vegan. >> Yes. Famous. How's his hair? Still perfect. >> Still perfect. >> Just wow.
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>> And I talked to him because we had just started rehearsal.
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And I said to Tony, >> Coachella was that was it, right?
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Like like in terms of like they didn't do more shows last year or whatever.
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And he goes, "Nope, just Coachella."
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And I was like, >> "Didn't you have to rehearse for six weeks to build that show and you only had one shot?"
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Cuz the the magic of tour is like you get right out.
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the intro to one song and then you're like I'll get them tomorrow.
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>> You never play LA or New York first on a tour.
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>> You always do it like third or fourth show in.
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So you've like warmed up >> at all by the way.
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I mean as someone who with Hanaman goes through the news daily and a lot of that revolves around tour announcements.
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Let me tell you for everyone who says Los Angeles and New York get spoiled they don't often make it in the first round. >> True.
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>> Let's see how Cincinnati goes. >> True. True. So I'm talking to Tony.
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I go so you guys only did Coachella double weekend. And that's it.
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And I was like, you probably rehearsed your asses off for that. >> How was it?
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Like kind of expecting him to say what I'm afraid of, which was like it was a lot of work.
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And then we did one show and I wasn't as present or whatever. I like how was it?
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And he goes, it was awesome.
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>> A >> and I was like, okay.
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Like you didn't wish like, oh, we're doing 100 shows this year.
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He was like, it was great.
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And I think that to be fair, these couple shows we have, it's like >> probably just a reminder to be super present.
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Sometimes you get, you know, a couple months into a run like we probably both did in the past 12 months and you get a couple months in and you're like, "Oh, I'm feeling kind of ill today on stage in, you know, North Carolina and I'm going to muscle through this >> and then I'll be done."
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>> When you're doing 3 months, >> that is that's the same as anybody else waking up and going to work in any job and feeling under the weather. It's your life. >> Yeah, that's true.
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>> It's one night for that fan or that audience member.
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It's like they've been looking forward to that one night, but we've been on the road breaking our back for, you know, however long.
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It is a really cool, unique experience that we are.
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I mean, we're really >> we're working our asses off in rehearsal.
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We're not like fooling around.
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I mean, we're having a blast for sure, but like we're gonna get to that show.
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And I think I think I'm going to both be so scared and also maybe feel the most joy I ever have on stage because of this like preparation.
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>> I'm not trying to audit your life or anything, Ash, but if I think about like where you stand right now as a human being, >> should I be scared?
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No, I think you should feel like the happiest person on earth >> because you have this opportunity to make music with your friends, which is open-ended.
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>> Yeah, >> I'm going to just say it's open-ended. >> Yep.
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You got more solo music to make.
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>> More solo music to make.
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So, you've got the spark to want to carry that forward.
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You're about to get married. I mean, dude. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
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I don't know where the place where you live. >> Yeah.
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on your manifestation journey of life.
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Like I don't put much thought or credence behind it, but like >> manifestation. >> Yeah.
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>> Oh, >> what I don't I mean again I'm not trying to >> Oh, I'm woo woo with you. I'm right. >> But there you go.
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Like this feels like a very like manifesting this from buying this >> This is before the tour starts.
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Wait, before the end of it, he's gonna have a spirit board.
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He's gonna be burning stage.
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I think Phineas is also the guy that like three years ago he he said something I can't say that he's like I'm going to do this. >> Okay.
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And like the fact that like slowly you your dreams come to life >> I'm just saying no I'm just saying like music you do manifest >> but not in the terms of like hey universe please bring this >> well maybe it doesn't need to be so specific or overt.
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I mean, you're just like, you put it out there and you work >> a chess player. It's more like a game.
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>> I think it's like I think like I try to again, I'm not trying to co-opt this conversation.
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Everybody in my life who I love manifests or practices it, whatever.
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I think to me it's like I just have a kind of a like, ooh, I would love to do that and then I try to set stuff in motion. >> How do I get there? >> There you go. You know what I mean? Okay.
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I I I do know what you >> I do have some friends who are kind of like and this is not Ash just to be clear but I have some friends who are like >> is it me?
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>> It's not Zane either but I have some friends who are like I'm manifesting that and I'm like right are you doing like are you are you practicing the skill?
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Are you learning about it? >> It's quirky math.
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>> So what it is it's quirky math and and it's like you you sort of apply it however you want.
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The beautiful >> I'm hoping and wishing and dreaming.
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If that's manifesting then I'm totally doing it.
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doing it. I just look at it as like >> and here's the other thing about that all of that all that quirky stuff >> is is people get really they they they think it's a replacement for work that's kind of what I'm saying about this is like if Ash is a manifesttor
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she's also a wake up at 5 in the morning make a you know a mood board for the thing she's shooting write a treatment for the thing write a new song write like she's a real worker >> well even with like this wedding like I'm far more interested in in the marriage than I am the wedding day. And
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And so we're doing like pre well hopefully >> well and like we're doing premarital counseling like just things that and that's more of like a most people who are like religious do it. We're not.
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And I was like I still think that's something that might be helpful for us to do.
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>> I think it's incredibly >> it's just like when we got to our first counseling session he's like so what issues do you need to work through? I'm like, "Oh, no.
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We're just here to like make the foundation of the thing as like tough and strong as it can be."
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>> I I think that's awesome. And I tell you why.
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I don't know you two as a couple, but I know I know relationships. And Phineas knows this.
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I've been married for 26 years and and part of the whole almost >> shadow car. Shout out Cara.
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Phineas knows and loves my wife as well.
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So, you know, it's one of those things where I think, you know, you you can never take the process for granted just because the word love is a strong and powerful sentiment.
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It shouldn't be uncared for and catered for and nurtured and and and it's also complex and so you know you've really got to do that.
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Like I always felt that Chris and Gwyneth got a really rough ride when they came out and said we're going to consciously uncouple cuz everyone got on the internet about it and the internet will have its way and took that term and made merch.
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And it really wasn't about the term.
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It was about the sentiment.
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>> I'm deadly serious when I say this.
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I'm very serious when I say this.
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the sentiment of of of coming to the end of a time as a couple and deciding to focus on that ending as much as you would on the on the actual on on the beginning >> is great for the kids, great for the friendship, great for all that stuff.
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And I've seen friends of mine >> in the last four or five years go through >> nuclear level divorce.
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I mean scorched earth, you know, like so it's it's like I just think Yeah, man.
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Put the effort into your relationships in every way. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. being strategic about your life in pretty much every arena like whether it's making a band with your friend or you know getting >> well and I also think that people I'm not this can apply to these relationships and it can equally apply
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to other stuff >> but I do think that people people are weirdly unwilling to prepare for something that might not happen you know what I mean >> when you bring up somebody when you say What if when you say to somebody like, "What if that happens?" It could be the
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It could be the most positive thing in the world.
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It could also be a very negative thing.
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They're like, "It's not going to happen."
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You go like, >> "Sure, might not, but what if it does?" You know what I mean?
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And that to me is like that to me would be the the the benefit of marriage counseling or or like you go like, "Hey, this thing that >> is maybe totally unlikely, but how are we going to cross that bridge when it comes or how are we going to prepare to cross that bridge?" like a prenup. >> It is.
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It is kind of an emotional prenup in a way because what I love about that is is it's a safe space for two people >> to share any fears or thoughts they may have and have somebody be able to unpack it before you get on the road and you get into the giddy cuz the giddy is awesome and you want to hold on to that forever, but it will it will spike and drop and spike and drop, right? Cuz life is life. >> Yeah.
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I mean, I this is a personal anecdote and not a not a marriage thing obviously, but like in 2022, I said to Billy like, "Hey, >> like end of this album cycle, which is like 2 years from now, beginning of the next album cycle, like >> I'm I worry that I'm not going to have enough time to be on the road with you all the time and on the road on my own.
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I have big touring year."
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>> Were you nervous before you had that? We never asked you that.
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>> I gave it was like two years earlier.
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So, to me, I wasn't cuz it was so far in the future. be here.
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But you also, >> but I basically said like, I'm finishing this entire thing.
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I'm like, I'm not going to quit at all.
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I just think that the next time you build this, I'm not going to be able to make all of them work.
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I'll be at whatever I can be.
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I've still in the past year done like SNL and the Grammys and all of the promo, but I was like, I'm not going to be able to be at everything.
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>> And so, you premeditate it.
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And >> to me, I was like very calm because it was all kind of like that's two years out. We have all this time.
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And then not to throw them under the bus, but like my mom and my dad and my sister as the time went on were like, >> "What the fuck?"
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And I was like, "I told you two years ago this like like you just have to be and and way earlier than we probably needed to in 2024, like probably at the beginning of 2024.
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I was like, "Time to build a band.
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It's time to find the people."
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And like there was this kind of groan amongst the family of like gh we don't have to do that yet.
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We do what we want to do it right now.
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wanted to hear that in 2022.
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She was like, "Whatever, big boy.
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We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."
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Like, >> also people, I think, sometimes think you won't mean it. You know what I mean?
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They're like, "Oh, that's how you feel now."
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But wait, >> is also all of our ace, you know? Like, >> so sweet, Ash.
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>> He is the ace in all of our lives.
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And I think that like the minute you're like, "Oh, like the next time I have to do an interview without him for my solo stuff, I'm going to be so sad.
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Well, just come in here, do it with me, and we'll be fine.
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Of course, because you know, >> I mean, you and I will be good.
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But like literally anybody else, he's so sad.
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And Phineas really, he just like he makes you better, and he he makes just like everything easier.
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And I think like your sister felt that, your parents felt that, and like it's a testament to how >> How many times have I called you for random advice?
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>> Oh, I'm always honored when you do.
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>> I call him for most random advice.
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one in particular which will not go on there, >> but there was one in particular I called him about something workrelated and I was like I don't know if I should do this and he was just like really thoughtful and gave me the best take and ultimately I went ahead and did it and >> you know I've done that a few times.
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>> Was that his advice that you should do it? >> Okay. >> Yeah.
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I knew I knew he would have told me straight up to not as well like straight up >> cuz I understood why he didn't want to do it.
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I was like I understand why you don't want to do it but I don't I think you should do it. >> Yeah. It was good. It was good advice.
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>> Um yeah I get it from my mom.
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My mom has been so >> shout out Maggie B >> morbid my whole life.
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>> My mom's like I'm not going to be around forever. That's been a revive.
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And >> it's kind of actually sound it's kind of a fabulous advice because it teaches you to think on Yeah. On your feet.
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>> Well, and again it's the thing it's a it's an important thing because as a kid it's the the last thing you want to think about in the world is your mom not living as long as you live.
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But it is like if we're going to talk about it and also take my be precious with the time I have and you know realize that everything >> also teaches you the order of things. >> Yeah, it does.
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>> Which is really important too. >> Yeah.
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I mean Phineas and I I feel like that's we early on connected on like oh we're constantly thinking about how everyone and us we're going to die. >> Dude, absolutely.
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I mean, Marinelli, who plays drums in this band, his dad passed away in June this year.
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And >> a beautiful guy who loomed really large in my life as David's friend.
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And I'd known him known him since I was 14.
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And >> David and I talked about that, too.
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And and that in that way, his dad and my mom are kindred spirits because David was like >> he was like, "My entire life, my dad has been like, "Hey, >> he's been >> I'm going to die."
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like like in that kind of like you're gonna I want you to live longer than me. Cope with this.
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>> You know, my mum is going through like a pretty heavy thing.
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She's got advanced dementia and there's other things going on in my life and stuff.
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Terrible and and there's other things going on in my life.
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So, but but it's the order of things and as sad as it makes me feel, I also feel sense of real gratitude that this is the order of things. >> Yeah.
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Well, and you're still alive to be witness to it.
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Yeah, >> we're like all witnessing each other's >> like joy and pain and it's cool to be a part of but tragic as well.
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>> I'm going to play my mom this album when I see her in a month or two in New Zealand cuz the only way we can communicate really successfully is with music.
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>> Is she in that place where music is still like pretty sharp?
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>> Her eyes light up and she's in the room, right? >> Unbelievable.
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>> And uh it's incredible, man.
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I mean, it just reinforces what we all know but really have to remind everybody else, which is the magic of music and frequency of special frequency.
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And I'm going to play this album because I know she's going to love it. She's going to love it.
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But if she doesn't, she's got that kind of dementia where she'll tell me straight up, >> turn it off. I hate this.
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>> Please give us give us the give us the review.
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>> The the Zane Mom album review immediately.
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>> I will call Phineas immediately and be like, "The Lizzy is in."
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And uh she hated it, mate. It's a She hated it.
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It's a strong one out of 10. She didn't like it.
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Come here, turn it off, and put Frank Sinatra back on.
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>> She's gonna love it, man.
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um because it it does have that that sense of um a really strong the familiarity you want from somebody you've met for the first time and feel like you already know.
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>> That's what this record feels like.
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And and those those are the kind of people you want to hang out with all the time.
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>> I've been making this analogy about this album for about a year.
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>> Mine wasn't good enough.
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I thought that was a close >> I thought that was a closeup.
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>> I'm only bringing it up because you've you've reminded me. >> All right. No, no, go ahead.
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The analogy is like I think sometimes in life, but especially as like a producer and a songwriter, I'm trying to do that thing >> that when you go to a restaurant and they serve you like >> some like Michelin star place and you're like, "What is there's like a dollop of green and there's a leaf and there's a crystal and sometimes you're you eat it and it's like the best thing you ever had, but you're like, I don't know what this is. It's alien to me.
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>> I don't even And then you describe it later like I don't even know what I just ate, but it was great."
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This album to me is like spaghetti with marinara and fresh basil.
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Like maybe it's something that you've had before, but you're like >> I like this every time. >> Yeah.
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Ed have one more shot at getting the last word on my show. >> All right. So, what this? >> Nope.
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>> What this is to to continue to add because I love a food analogy as the team know >> this is soon as you said spaghetti, I knew it was cooking.
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>> He he knew I was going with this.
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The china is just so simple and beautiful.
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It's it's a raised plate with a beautiful deep deep bowl, >> but it's got a beautiful large rim around it, right?
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>> And you've >> you've ground the pasta out, but >> which you know a thing or two about cuz last time I had dinner at your house, you were made fresh pasta.
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>> So, you've ground out the spaghetti. It's fresh. It's still warm.
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You can feel the the love in it. >> Yeah.
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>> And it's in the perfect circle. And it's evol.
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It's the most expensive thing on the plate. The evol by the way.
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that kind of evil, right?
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And then you got some just beautiful what it could be truffle just something >> something to great >> and then you just serve it up >> and then you you take a mouthful and you're like hell. >> I do like that. >> Stars in the post. >> Nice job. >> Stars in the post.
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>> You brought it back and you closed it.
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>> You gave him the last word. That was nice.
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>> This is a real insight to Alfred, right?
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Love you both so much for having us, man. >> Thank you.
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At the risk of crashing your vocal, have a wonderful wedding.
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Congratulations from your friends. >> Absolutely. >> Thanks everybody.