if you don't know what a Groove is I don't know who does bro the Dare dude what you made with the Dare [Music] man okay a Brett summer it's probably going to be a Brett decade at this point um let's hope but um you know you brought a healthy sense of snot back to the dance floor thank you and I love it
right there there's like a there's like a prop attitude I tried to describe cuz I played some ESG after I played your new song and I sit in that brief window in New York where punk rock was starting to merge with this technology Revolution yeah there was this sense of like groov
and punk can coexist together and I feel like that's a lot of your spirit oh big time yeah I feel like the 70s and 80s in New York like were just hugely influential to like just all the music I grew up loving and I kind of went back in time as I grew up and kind of discover the origins of all that stuff
like esgu or like James chance and all that so yeah the New York noise and it's interesting when you think actually about what it's turned into and I feel this way about because I love modern technology and I love modern electronic music and I love where it can go and I love how certain artists like Tom and B
and you could say James did this have found they found Soul inside the machine and were able to make the machine Bend to their will mhm do you know what I mean whereas I think before we were just serving the machines and I think it's like no no no no no like in the ' 80s really did that CU don't know what do
with those machines so they just turn them on they're always working so it's like well I guess I just write a weird number one pop song while this thing just Ops its way into Oblivion right and so I feel like that naivity gets lost the more that we sometimes develop um tools and it's really cool how you've
just gone found a way to make it sound modern but also there's a naivity I feel to what you do do is that fair to say yeah definitely um I don't know it's what you were saying that's kind of making me think about just I guess like now that you have all like extreme technology available to you at all times
like it's kind of easy to let the like car drive itself and just end up with something that do fun in that yeah doesn't really you know you you're not doing donuts necessarily you're just going not learning anything and I think let's go there right oh the AI thing AI is going to have a huge impact
on the way the the world moves and the time we spend this is my joke this is my little man this is my man at the end of the peer joke about AI right AI is supposed to help us create more time do the things that we love which would be making art yeah so why would I want to use AI to
make art to create time to what work so it's like I'm good like I'm not worried at all because you can use it as a tool it already exists kind of as a tool right right but it's no fun in letting it do it for you no no but yeah that's that's why I just try and have fun with it or like try and find a a way to like
make a mistake and and end up you know impressing or surprising Myself by doing something that's unpredictable and like not you know predetermined by technology like so how do you do that I want to talk about like the beautiful mistakes because how do you define a mistake in the moment and know that it's absolutely
worth keeping and resist the discipline of saying no no no change that you know I don't know I guess I it it is a skill to be good at doing that cuz I think when you start making music you have more of an Impulse to sort of like Smooth over those things as you're learning how to make things sound better
or how to just become a better writer or poet or something and I think when you develop enough skill you can realize that just those things have like a little bit of joy in them or there's just like something a little bit off to recognize them yeah but I think it takes takes a long time to be good at
recognizing those moments yeah it does um it does we strive for as as when we're kids or when we're starting out on this thing and we really don't know what we're doing Perfection is the bar right it's like I've just got to get I've just got to be amazing I'm I'm trying to
catch up to all my heroes this has got to be amazing and I think you sort of meet yourself somewhere along the way and if you have enough self-awareness and enough enough kind of knowledge about what it is you want to make then you're like oh but no I'd rather be a better self than try to be perfect like
someone you know what I mean i' rather capture that true essence so who I am and I really feel like the dare I feel like that's your playground to do that yeah definitely I also think like you like the longer you make music or the more music you listen to like the more mistakes you hear in other people's
music totally and and it's something you wouldn't know as like a kid listening to it it's just washing over you but when you're you're like oh that they totally should have like put a riff in there like that's just like a huge waste of space or like you know and but then
you're like at the same time like that's that mistake is also part of that person's identity and like the reason that they didn't do that on accident or on purpose or whatever is is idot syncratic to them so I think of how Tom York has allowed himself to sing in a far more free space the longer he's gone
on than he did when he started he was so within the framework of What alternative music or rock and roll or pop music should be and now if you listen to videotape even from like 15 years ago I mean it sounds like one take you know it sounds like he's not even landing on the bar he's just finding the emot letting
it sit and that it's so imperfect that it's Flawless yeah yeah such a beautiful thing that song is super haunting yeah he's got a few of those you know daydreamers as well man oh my God and dwn corus I've just made a plest of the saddest songs I could think of cuz I really wanted to stay there celebrate
your birthday the right way you know what I mean dive into yeah happy birthday thank you bro thank you thank you we're so happy you're here man we're going to get into it all for you what Drew you to teaching I know we had talk about music but it's I love the transition you've made from education to
Art and I and I see a commonality in both obviously yeah I don't know I guess there's just like a few teachers or professors that I've had that were both artists and Educators and were also just really cool and I always kind of looked up to them uh for guidance and just uh as like a model of somebody who can like
help other people either through making art or just like imparting those skills on other people and yes there's a giving to it yeah and like I you know I received that at like a young age with with music and with English literature and whatnot I wanted oh you're a reader
yeah I majored in English in college so so yeah do you still read uh less so than I did maybe a year ago but is so I'd imagine English Lit is kind of that's probably a lift right it's not an easy thing to to focus on in an higher education environment I mean my English Lit degree is doing wonders for me I
don't know what your guys are talking about in you know too many words you could do it cut a few out of your vocabulary if I'm ABS probably better for everybody if I'm AB absolutely honest with you so what was the moment when you were able to say okay cool I I've given enough to fifth graders I'm
now going to go Focus over here on myself and just be a narcissistic Rockstar um yeah I think I think girls is kind of the moment it just like I was dejing at the same time as I was teaching so I would kind of substitute teach and do after school during the day and at night I would DJ J and then girls
snowballed into this just sort of like really weird organic phenomenon like on the internet and then other musicians were posting it cuz I feel like they were kind of like my first Champions or so like who who was jumping in like uh Maddie from The 1975 posted it and that was how I met Charlie she just kind of
hit me up on Instagram and was like uh love this song would love to hang out next time you know I'm in New York um and so that was really like shocking to me cuz I was just sort of flying under the radar up until that point and then after that it just became too much to teach and TJ and write songs yeah write
songs at the same time um we're obviously over the moon and very very happy for Charlie and everything that she's receiving now all the good willll and the success is is so earned and deserved um I've known Charlie for a long long time she won't mind be putting context around this cuz it's all facts
and we've been friends for a while I've noticed since way way back in the radio one dayss and um and it's it's it's always been fascinating to me how she's just been so far out front in so many ways with her friends and you know to be fair um obviously the late greatest Sophie she's
so missed AG cook and any of the people that she's put around herself that understand the vision because the world doesn't always understand the vision so you need to have the support to keep going and be like no I'm not wrong and now it's brat Summer and the whole world's like you you are not wrong yeah
you know which is really beautiful so so what was it like when you sort of met her and what was your what was your first impression on her energy and from a sort of personal but also creative point of view yeah um the first time we hung out um she just came over to my apartment and uh I was just to told my
roommates to beat it and because they were they were starting to like kind of fan girl out and I was like you need to get you need to go to the coffee shop um and we just yeah we just hung out my room we listen to a bunch of music that we were into which is like kind of like a lot of like early 2000s electropop
like she also knew a lot of these like kind of like club hits that I wasn't really aware of uh like for example like uh that song Yeah Yeah by Body rocks I think it I could yeah I mean now it's much bigger and also like uh that was very I mean those were very sort of like I think formative cornerstones for her
music cuz you got to remember when she came out man she was in that zone thing was very much like that she's always had the bread energy but it was very 2000's electropop definitely I mean yeah it's that and like Perfect exceeder by Mason and Princess Superstar but like we were
just listening to that and you guys listen to fish Spa I love Fisher spinner A lot man what a beautiful little experiment that was yeah they're they're amazing um but uh we just kind of listen I played her some demos and we kind of walked around and I was like do you want to like take the train to like I was
like can you even take the train you know cuz I'd never really met like a pop star before so I was like I don't know uh what you can and can't do uh and she was like we can just call a car like she's actually the car is waiting outside I didn't want the AC to get warm so got the Empire waiting for us outside
security is keeping it warm for us I love that no but I was also just totally impressed and and and shocked that she would want to hang out with me or just see what I was up to and just you know was all taken upon herself to do all of that and arrange our meeting and like just she's incredibly so much interest
in me so and she's such a good human yeah like she's a really sound human I don't want to go too much down that road cuz right now she's like the face of all brat energy so I don't want to be like she's a really nice person like no no no let's keep it in the brat space but she
is a really nice person Ru illusion she'll cut you she'll cut you you know I knew you had the groove bro and I knew you understood what it was to capture the street with with Groove but I didn't know that you had the Dirty Bit Crush Electro in you thank you yeah dude I do you really do cuz I played a lot of
those records in my life in a lot of clubs and a lot of venues and theaters and even stadiums and that is a Bonafide Smasher thank you very much must been fun to me it was fun yeah it happened really fast too I probably made it in like an hour what came first the beat of the
uh the vocal actually she sent you the vocal yeah Charlie sent me the vocal what a vocal you must have listened to it and just being like Oh my God this is gold I was like this is so me I love it um and then we just I just kind of sat on it for a while and like I made like an early version that like nobody was
excited about and then just a little while ago I threw a party in New York and I was like you know what I'm going to speed up this vocal and put an entirely new instrumental under it and that was was like basically two months ago and uh I did that like in one night and then played it that night I did yeah
and what happened well a bunch of people started posting it on the internet and they were like what the what is this what is this and and uh I feel like that was the start of the whole thing so holy how do people tell you we're not feeling it how do they tell me yeah just go get a drink or something just kind of walk
away we've all been there or or they'll just they'll come tell me that's what I'm say sucks yeah that's what I'm saying so let's talk about like the album and what it it means to you to make a body of work because it feels conceptual to me already I love the cover so much it's got It's given me
strong James murphythe neack Vibes you know you know what I mean it's just giving me strong kind of like it's very it's just a very defined iconic album cover at a time when it's very hard to for album covers to stand out and do anything at all the album title what's wrong with New York tick um you know it
just feels like you've put a lot of thought into this and that and so can we just put some context around that thought and what it is that you've been trying to create with this body yeah I mean to me an album and a band and an album cover all parts of all part of the greater like artist project
which is basically just like espousing a way of being in the world and I think that the stronger you can you can make everything cohere into one sort of attit ude or statement or like aesthetic uh perspective on things as they are like the better you know the more exciting it is to me like I like when you know I
listen to an album and and it it just like absolutely rejects another person's uh perception of the world or attitude towards things and uh that that partially comes through the album art like brat for example Like That album artti is like a rejection of so many you know covers that are like we need to
have last one was literally on the on the on the Bonnet of a car and you know classic Charlie sort of provocative strong imagery right like I'm a strong artist I'm very much in touch with who I am and you can find this creative you can find it sexy you can find it whatever you
want but this is the image I'm standing behind and you're right Brett was just like the other way yeah and like that same attitude you know you hear it through the songs you know there's like there's a looseness where she'll just stop rhyming cuz she's like I don't care and like you know just sort of laying
her emotions on the table at times yeah or you know sometimes it's like I'm just going to party so I mean that's like a good example of like what I'm talking about and that's like what I wanted to do with the album um but just sort of you know have my own little campaign of attitude going on so where you living
now man you you spent some time in Seattle um but La is your thing originally or no It's Complicated I was born inett complicated I was born in West Hollywood uh and then as soon as I was born my parents moved to Seattle I grew great place yeah wait first of all Cedar SI great place uh no I was born
are we doing Hospital shout outs now he said watch Hollywood I was like dude there's there's not many places to get okay no wait I I can't remember the name of the hospital but that's where they lived maybe they had me like further away from that's fine just want to check checking checking the facts dude I got
to really check your facts right now shout out St John's Elizabeth joh I mean you know how it you know how it is you know I me me shout him out west Seattle Group Health shout out all Hospital crew that's another unsign crew these are the heroes true what are we even doing right this
is just we took you off so SE oh yeah and then I grew up in Seattle and then it's my birthday baby I'm off the I'm off the radar went went to college in Portland Oregon and then s years ago I think I moved to New York wow or almost seven years I can't remember stick around I didn't want to stick around in
Portland it's it you know it's where they say young people go to retire it's so true man it's so true wow am you got you got to make release a beef song after there anymore Outdoors though yeah L and Clark is did congratulations everybody we're now just turned into a cafe and just having four conversations at the same
time who's not invited that's what I want to know uh uh who are your least favorite people yeah least Naz that's a good answer give me the ones that you that people that think you like them that you actually do I mean probably some kinds of British people they're like my favorite and my
least favorite I get I get that I liveed there for nearly 18 years man and uh let me tell you bro they don't care about what we think that's the beauty of it that's the beauty of it man if you get to if you live in London and you stay in London for longer than two years you earn some
you earn some right to stay there for as long as you want but man it never it'll never make it easy on you it'll never make it easy for you that's that's the point don't you agree it's it's it's always going to give make it's always got the grind to peel London man and and anyone who visits there is like oh my
God it's wonderful it's like Harry Potter land but dude when you live there when you live there it's Gotham I think it's Gotham over New York I think New York is like is like almost the movie Set Gotham like it's like it's like it's it's a young very big ambitious City but London they knocked it down and built it
up and knocked it down and built it up and knocked it down and built it up and that is just layer upon layer of History it's crazy it's crazy El do you hate seems hard to infiltrate even musically I feel like well cuz it's super snobby yeah I mean for for and rightfully so it would it was moving the
needle for a very long time and club culture is so different there than here you know what I mean it's two different universes it's two different universes and by the way it still moves the needle in terms of hybrid I mean you still hear things coming out of there that just the
the combination of elements yeah no one puts the puzzles together like they do out the the creatives I mean Mike Skinner man I mean what the even is that he's one of my favorites same he's incredible hey we've had such a good time hanging out with oh yeah Harrison what a joy thank you so much thank you bro [Music]