here we are again we're back I'm so excited I'm so glad we're both still here living breathing you're creating I get a chance to talk to you about that yeah thank you for having me always Tate I mean I think you know we spoke very early on our first interview was when I was like 16 you were really young and it was quarantine it was early days
quarantine it was a virtual conversation you were still at school you were telling me at the time how you were trying to figure out how to graduate and be a pop star I was scratching by I'm like I just need to get get through high school and then everything's going to be okay I think that was verb in what you said in the conversation and you didn't
hear you are um you know you've made your third proper album and you know it's your best album thank you I'm excited I can't believe it's like already here I feel like it's come so quick well yeah it's cuz you don't stop I mean it actually that's actually facts I mean you've gone you've done three back to back um and you've toured really
really hard and really productively and really successfully in between I feel like none of this has been expected for you and not Beyond man estation necessarily but I mean you love the work you're like perhaps get the most satisfaction out of seeing it with your own eyes rather than rather than results being presented to you is that fair to say yeah I think um the only way to
enjoy any of this is if you fall in love with the process of it um if you end up thinking about every single result and thing you're trying to get to you're going to get there and feel really unfulfilled um and so it's just if you fall in love with the people around you the process the creating um which is what I love I love being on tour I love
writing music it's like I would I would choose that even if it wasn't my job so but equally I've seen a lot of artists have a su have success like you did where you work for it and then it happens greedy happens you turn it into something that's substantial the tours of success Everything feels good yeah um and they go through a period where the process starts to sort of fall back a
little bit and everyone else starts to do the work because you're like hey I've got success now it's it's kind of self-perpetuating I don't hear that on this record I hear somebody who actually is kind of reappraising a little bit about what that means it felt really in my hands this time I I really had a a vision of how I wanted this to sound um
I really had a vision on how I wanted this to be performed I knew how my show wanted to look like I just I had it in my brain and I feel like in a sense I've articulated that um but all lyrically it it feels like it's it's truly from me it's the people that supported me and were around me were such a great help and inspired me so much but I do feel
like for it was for me at the core and yeah look I mean I think you've written your best songs here and I want to talk about songwriting through this whole conversation and um but let's get back to the mood board you said you know you really had an idea about kind of what you wanted this to sound like and and feel like and ultimately look like so
where does it start well last year was kind of um my first real tour where I was dancing which is insane yeah cuz you made a dance album yeah I I feel like you know literally I think it was like a year and a half ago now like not even I was playing like small small clubs and literally had not introduced dancing into my music mus yet which feels like
so crazy um but I think it just you approach things differently when you think about the movement of it when you think about performing it um I'm not approaching it from my being in my bedroom anymore and being 15 I'm approaching it from being on stage and looking out to people and you know seeing how it affects them um and so I think obviously I was writing a lot of
this record throughout tour this year and I just you know I I was wanting to I was wanting to perform these songs of immediately even my first single I was like how am I going to how do I see this coming out um and that almost inspired the writing process which is so weird for me usually it comes from like a very like sad painful subconscious place and
this I felt like came from more of a Alter Ego more of a performer State I think you've cracked the code on how you make records on the road I think part of the problem is people think that they can recreate that sad introspective bedroom environment when you're in hotel you can't right because you're in a different bed every night you're in
hotels you're in buses you're on planes whole thing is transient you're in a different mental space it's your output button is always on you're just giving you're your your like my extroverted self and my introverted self which is how I usually am are so different like they just you can't write from the same creative spot you're just a different person at least for me it's like two
different modes yeah you made the most of the opportunity you had to be extroverted by creating an album that feels more expressive in that regard you can hear it on here yeah and there are definitely introverted moments Nostalgia might be your most introverted moment mhm yeah Nostalgia was I feel like that was um a perfect example of like me at the
the core core I think that's the most honest I've ever been on a song even I show it's my parents and I'm like don't take it too literally because the name because because the the N the names and faces will change and will be protected is not the case here these are real people they're real people and you know I think um I was hitting a point where
sometimes you can live life um just like you just every day feels the same every day feels like you're on autopilot and then you're like holy I haven't taken any of this in I'm not being present and I had a discussion with my father about just was like doing all these questions and I was like oh if there's anything you regret in Life or what do you wish you did or how do you
wish and he was like well the reason that I raised you to like always F uh pursue your dreams and your passions is because I felt like I wasn't necessarily able to quite do that when I was younger there's so many things I wish I did and I was like oh that's what a devastating thing is that some people just like you know don't do the things
they love and things that they're passionate about you're absolutely right it's not a place anyone should get to in their life MH where they look back and and focus on the things that they didn't do yeah but that is the reality and I think when you become a parent as well if you get the balance between um in instilling in some somebody that you care about more than
anyone in the world and your kids that that it's important not to live that way yeah it sort of has healing process for you in a way on on the fact that you didn't get to do that I don't know what his response was to you saying that feels really sad or or or having a ni conversation that's between you two but I can imagine it's been very healing for
your father to see you go out there and live this life because yeah that's really what it is it's about the handing down of knowledge of course and obviously my parents are so supportive and it's just a it's a great way for me to talk about this kind of stuff because I feel like I get stuck in this place of either living way too far in the future
or way too far in the past and Reminiscing on who I used to be that my friend is quote anxiety yeah I know um and that's where I feel like this song kind of stemmed from as I was like hitting points there's this one line in the record where I go um and I manifested you would leave so the day you did I had you beat three steps ahead of everything love that line right
you're just trying to protect yourself at all times what you're actually doing is you're literally living in that environment before even unfolded yeah you're living on on on edge at all points of life which is a which is also a sad thing living in the future you know I love that you know the line I love is and I bite my tongue 10 times a
day half swear to God I just might pray I've got a lot to lose so I might as well lose it anyway yeah it's I think it was high five yourself on that one that's a really really beautiful writing thank you um I was we just when I was like writing that song I think um like the half swear to God I might just pray is like everyone is like oh I need to
find guidance somewhere in life and so I'm like I like maybe I should pray tonight or something and it's like that's such a thing that you either choose to do or you don't do and so like half ass that is a really crazy thing yeah um but when you're in a lost place in life you're kind of just like oh maybe I should try meditation or maybe I should try and you're just in this lost
area of doing absolutely nothing I actually there's times when I've um seek um guidance at certain points in my life that I I don't feel I have the strength to find call it speaking to God to touching the universe however you want to put it whatever frame you want to put it through um relying on faith and and every now and then I'll question it too
I'm like well you can't just pick and choose when to show up but then I've decided to make peace with that I'm like you know you're getting where you fit in and and and if you need it in this moment in your life then it will be it will it will be receptive and open to you yeah you can't force it you can't force it right no so how do you how are
you finding that balance between U I'm on a real sance Buzz right now because I just interviewed I just interviewed Adam Scott so I've got my any and God God I'm so jealous we're so into it it's so good right it's I no idea what's going on and I love it I absolutely love it so confused but how are your inie and Audi relating to each other now because I
remember very carefully talking to you on think later and you were like said you you was trying to figure that part out how does Tate at home deal with Tate the person who now has an audience and is successful I I feel really settled when I have like a spiritual connection with like the universe and I feel um like really in my body and really
present I Journal a lot I meditate a lot I I feel like um yeah the only way I can stay calm is if I believe like everything happens for a reason that um I mean and everyone has their thing like on how they stay sane in life and how they convince themselves that everything's going to be okay but that's truly how I do is I believe that opportunities are always coming to you I
believe that signs are always there I believe that your angels are always looking out for you and I think are you receptive to them right I'm just very open to that I've always I believe in manifesting I believe in all of that magic of life and that that keeps me excited and I was talking about this with my friends the other day like I don't think you've ever really
experienced like magic until you've like written a song or you've like created something or you know in you know made something up in your head because that's when like magic feels so real it's like in the studio when you make something you're like wow that's magic like it's it's where I agree that is the space I always panic when I don't when I feel I
should and then I have something else to do and I'm like I just lost a lot of song something just passed through me and disappeared and I didn't grab it ideas always come on a conveyor belt and you can either choose to look at the conveyor belt and notice it like go yeah or it's literally just going to be passed to the next table or P the next
person I don't feel like salmon ngiri today let someone else write that song someone else should take it someone else should take that but I will write The Vig spring roll yes such a good example how is that food during recording sessions and budgets I always wonder do people eat when they're making music it's a genuine question because I don't
yeah right I can't I'm but I'm also just like have a um very like Soldier mindset where like if I don't I need to finish the song before I like eat food Amy Allen's the exact same way we both we cannot eat eat food in sessions yeah she's a beast absolute Beast what are you two like in the room together do you have words that could describe the energy of when you're creating and
you're in Flow State yeah if you think about um cuz me and her are both also pretty ADHD and like all over the place in a session think about like so many people with all these ideas and so many things to say and have just like the most ADHD of all time and then there's me and Amy who like also have this but we sit there and we're like we have to
finish a song before we can talk yeah so we get in and we're like if we talk for longer than 30 minutes both her and I are like we start to get like an antsy how how do you communicate the word no to each other directly or do you find ways to keep it safe um I I feel like we both kind of have a sense of what each other are going to like in the room but
also you just got to be open to everything ideas like you sometimes can sing something out in the room and it sucks and people are just like yeah there's just nothing but if you sing something great and everyone's like oh wow I feel like if you're like no that's like the most like demotivating thing in a depends how you say it yeah it's like that's that cuts off all creative um
inspiration if you're like getting declined yeah okay yeah declining is not fun no um have you walked out of a session not come back yes wow when I was young a lot more now I I like my collaborators yeah of course of course you were in the speed dating process and that sucks yeah so that I I've definitely like been like Mom can you
can you call me and say there's an emergency wow you got the fake Uber I did do that I've done that many a few times actually that's amazing yeah like I have to go I'm so sorry oh okay without we're not going to name names cuz God bless those people I wouldn't I wouldn't want to know who those people I feel bad for those people but I mean what what sent you what sent
you running what was an example of something in a room that just made you go Mom I'm not sticking around if you're just creating the worst song ever that's not fun like you're just like you can't stop it and if they love it too stop it once that train leaves the station it's just all day yeah and they're just like this is so good you're like this is
like not good can we and if if they like won't let you restart you're like well what am I doing here yeah well they wouldn't do that now no if if I say like this sucks we start over like yeah the speed date writing thing is awful yeah and and it's like everyone wants to get to know you immediately and it's like life isn't like that no like
oh let's just talk about your life it's like I just met you no I can't I I have a hard time opening up like that and then um I think also just because I have such a small circle and because I only open up to like few people it's almost like I like I don't want to explain anything to you just like let me sit in a corner for two hours and like write about it and then
you can figure it out cuz I don't have the time or the energy to explain every single random um thought in my brain right now you Sav that for your friends and for your family yeah and for the song and you open with your friends and family do you feel like you can be yeah so so close to my close friends and family yeah for sure um what song did you write on this
record that really struck a chord with you that you felt like took you to a place that was deeper than before we talked about Nostalgia so maybe if that was one of them let's is there another one yeah um the song Purple Ace bra was um also just uh different for me I've never written from the perspective of um experiencing um the good and the bad
feelings of being a woman before I think because I've just genuinely been too young before to even know that those feelings existed um but it was weird I I felt like I turned 21 this year and um you like step into your body a little more and you feel you feel sexy and confident and empowered but you know then I also felt the repercussions of uh
experience seen that on the internet like I the media this this song really did feel like a conversation between me and the media and being like um you're not listening to me yeah what did we get wrong yeah you're you're not listening to me you're you're watching me you're seeing like these videos of me dancing and you're not listening to me as a
songwriter which is the most like important part to me this is that's my soul that's my you told me on day one that's what matter it to you yeah that's on day one you're like I'm a songwriter yeah and I I still feel that way and I felt like just a lot I was just just trying to explain myself over and over and over again and um I was like God no no one's listening they're just like
only paying attention when I'm like dancing or when I'm whatever and but that's what I was going to say would you hear me more if I whispered in your ear to me says says like if I wasn't quite such a per if I wasn't performing at such a high level and making you look at all these things and and acknowledge other parts of my abilities yeah would
the words matter more is that what that line means well we me and I wrote this with Amy Allen and Amil Haney who's unbelievable one of the I love a I knew a I knew AAL when he was New York a and I've known a as La a yeah and then I I've known him when he went back to New York and tried to be New York ail again W and now he's back to LA ail yeah chill
I've seen all the all the amils Chill La you should have seen old school New York Emil was he good bowy Emil that's crazy it was great he's great he's always been great yeah he's one of a kind I've been Dy and work with him for so long he also has this amazing thing where he'll do I wish I had my soundboard up I need like a sound effect I'll just one you'll have
a beat going and he'll just do this thing go and you go what was that and then he'll put it in and sprinkle it through the song and then like exactly 16 bars later yeah and you're like is that like a is it is it a Mia Cat is it a hungry Mia Cat like what is that you know what and it's funny because I've been trying to recreate that in my music
for years and everyone thinks I'm crazy and then a just automatically did worms for the in the song which was like so satisfying he does that with he just puts something in there that sounds totally out of context and then but what it does it's like a psychological thing that gets you to reconnect to the music yeah when you're switching out of it it
brings you back in it also adds a lot of textures to like a a light Airy pop record it makes it feel gritty dark that's bowy emal yeah that's that's what I love in what I love in music um this song I took we kind of have there's a couple meanings we turned it into my conversation with the media and then also this conversation um with just like a partner
um someone being like you're not listening to me would you hear me more if I talk to you like sex like right would I would you actually pay it was tiating if it was something that that appealed to you in a different way than just to you because you're not looking at me and you're not or you're looking at me you're not listening to me um it's a powerful observation yeah and it was
um it was really great to write this with such a um incredible woman who I look up to so much and I obviously admire her so much so it felt really satisfying to find this perspective on this weird painful feeling I was feeling and you know finish the session be like okay that's exactly how I wanted it um to be said did you when you played it to
your boyfriend he must have loved it he did love this song how many times have you actually collaborated with ly on a record um we have written two songs together okay how has that changed like you're on you know you you you've done something else so how has that sort of changed now like you guys have created a really amazing space for each other as a
partnership and also you continue to thrive as individuals coming through together and being able to collaborate now with some miles on the under your feet you know what I mean as a couple did it change the dynamic in terms of how you guys work together it felt really fresh I mean we've never sang in front of each other until until a August was I pulled him
out for one of my shows and it was so funny we're sitting in sound jack and like neither of us I'm surprised we got through the song without cracking up the whole time yeah I wouldn't look at him because I'm just like this is insane like I've done karokee with my wife and we just laugh the whole way when we yeah you're just like I I feel like I don't
know what it is it's like a mental thing where I just feel like he's never heard me sing and I like to pretend that he doesn't know I'm a singer but he does obviously know I'm a singer so we were out doing this soundcheck is so nervous and same with writing in the studio like we were just like are you going to listen he's like yeah um but it was it
was funny we just it's it's like it's it was it was wholesome it it was cute but it it was definitely like nerve-wracking for both of us who are usually so in our element and so like controlling in the rooms we both were like okay who's going to like lead the room that's amazing and we just try to not talk about work as much as possible but it is hard when it
the conversation always leads back there okay that's a really interesting observation right you try not to bring your work home but your work is fun and you both do similar work in your own way yeah but you choose not to well cuz sometimes it's it's your frustrations with work and it's like this is the most one person could be thriving and be like
I just wrote The Best Song today and I could be like I'm so annoyed with this right now you got to be self-aware right not self-awareness and then it's like this weird like well do you want to hear the song and I'm like it's like that is the greatest image it's just like oh man I literally like man I didn't finish that record and I don't think it's going to make on the
album yeah yeah yeah I'm having a great day I just got to smash you want to like no literally that's that's our Dynamic sometimes bless you I mean the fact you both know that though is so healthy it's so good to be able to say hey man I just don't have time for your hit right now yeah it's it's really funny I'm like let's play in the car like tomorrow
how's uh how's your spirit being you know five solid years of real creativity and real travel and real work yeah I mean I say this as a compliment you're one of the hardest working young artists making music thank you I think you show the way I mean you show up and you always bring your best self if you say yes let me ask a question before we get
to your spirit how are you factoring in no are you entering into or near the era of no you know what I would say I'm entering the era of no I think I'm being a little more selective with what I do thanks for coming through today we appreciate still being on The Hit List I mean always thanks um I am being a little more selective Ive because
there's just a certain point where I can only spread my energy so thin like there's I there's there's not enough time in a day there's I can't be in a space where I've done 20 interviews and then I have to go to the studio and finish a record like right I'm sick of myself I just can't look at myself I can't I have no real perspective on life because I'm just so in the space of
analyzing yourself and and so critical and so and it becomes this like paralyzing thing because I'm just like oh my God all I'm thinking about is like every single flaw and imperfection and people watching and it it feels really like out of your body and the only way to write music is if I feel really in my body and really emotional and sensitive
and in tune this is all the more impressive that you've been able to create three albums in the midst of all of this change around you because you really you come off the road or you're riding on the road so I mean it's pretty clear that even on a bad day you're able to comp compartment mentalized to some degree yeah I think it's a lot of it is
like I said picking and choosing where you go and who you spend your time with who I'm in the studio with is really important cuz it can either be the most beautiful and therapeutic thing ever or it can feel like a chore and a job and um as long as you're just like making sure that I'm like if if I'm not in the mood to go to the studio I'm not going
to the studio even though I go like six days a week like I it usually needs to be from a place of like I really want to talk right now if you don't there's no point let's talk about songwriting because you know you've gotten to a place in your career now with three albums in yeah you've you found your voice on your early songs fig figured out the path you want and it's LED you
into rooms with real writers yeah Julia Amy amazing amazing just the kind of writers who take make the banality of suburban life sound exciting the most exciting days sound just normal they Inc Artic and their detail writing is aming so you're now at the table with these people writing songs yeah well Amy and Julia I'm the biggest fans of I've
known Julia's music I've listened to for so long and um have been the big when I first came to La I'm like oh my God if I could work with Julie Michaels like that would be a dream come true um I think it's a really important detail if I can just stop you for one second and just so we can all focus on that because it shows that you didn't learn about the
importance of songwriting once you started that's where you wanted to go on day one yeah no for sure I like I think she was just kind of she was definitely um one of the factors of my songw writing when I was just writing in my bedroom I think you obviously you pick up little things from each person that you listen to and she was one of those
people that I her music I listen to all the time so I think I would just naturally pick up little things of her writing so now when we write together 5 years later there's a really good Synergy in the room like but who as musicians not just the people you get to collaborate with who do you love like I'm a huge fan of siza I literally am obsessed with her I love her I think
she's amazing um she's another slice of Life rer yes like her perspective is amazing I love her Melodies they're just my brain can't compute how she thinks of them she's like Fran oan like that yeah FR they they paint they paint on canvas for and then days after you saw that painting the light's different and you see a completely different side of the
painting totally yeah no she's I listen her a lot I love her she's a big inspiration for me who would surprise fans like what do you listen to um perhaps even just historically that would surprise somebody do you think H like did you go through like a my Kim romance phase or you like you know the weird thing is that I actually well my
memory is so bad when it comes to like what I listened to when I was younger I actually have no idea how to answer this question ever cuz I listen to so much music in the dance studio like ranging from like super old hip-hop music to like classical music to every single pop song to exist every single old pop song to exist but I never knew the names or
the artists but if you play me songs I usually know what it is but I never knew what I was listening to it's interesting though when you when you get into things like dance and it becomes a real a part of who you are and part of of your life that they I guess when you walk in every day whoever is training you whoever is ultimately leading you is throwing you
things to see whether or not you feel it right yeah is that how it is that happens references get thrown ideas are tossed around and you have to translate it kind of usually for me it comes from it's like a very I sit down I sit in my thoughts for like 30 minutes and then subconsciously have something to say and I think of Melodies it's all it's not very like um
I know I don't walk into a room with exactly knowing what I I never know what I'm feeling it's always a sub subconscious you got to find your inner voice yeah I have to write the song in order to know ex what the hell I'm thinking cuz I just really don't know until I write it have you have you come up with any songs Concepts or lyrics through meditation process the
meditation is purely just for peace of mind just to make sure that my brain isn't you know running on a million thoughts just just it's just a little bit of Silence I've try I just keep trying and I'm just I struggle to get really through it yeah with meditating yeah um I think it's I think if you think about silence it never works if you think about nothing
it never works you have to think about like like channeling something like picture no this is good I sound like a little no we're way past that I mean long before you were born these kind of conversations were had and people were like take your hippie meditation elsewh I asked you we're open here like meditation is a thing yeah yeah I mean I
just it I don't know what you believe in or whatever but you I feel like I just Channel colors and lights and and the universe and that that calms my that gives me like like calm if I think about nothing I spiral like that's that's where every you thought comes into my brain right so that's the place where you can go and calmly experience peace yeah because that is
the only thing that will like Trump all my thoughts is like a strong power and like chills and the feeling of like feeling energized like that is the only thing that Will trump like every single thought in my brain do you have vivid dreams yes did you really predict the Super Bowl oh my God this went so viral um that was crazy I will say yeah
what happened well someone just asked me they like if the Eagles in 2023 yeah at the end of 2023 so after the Super Bowl had happened like if the Eagles make the Super Bowl what's going to be the score I was like 40 and 22 and Philly's win I don't know why I said that um something was going on but I have I do predict a lot of stuff in life like um that's
where I'm going like are you a meditation Sage are you I am a bit of a psychic sometimes I will say that I dream things they happen I see things they happen and this has been since I was a little kid I but it's only one that's like turned on wow yeah do your parents ignore ack knowledge this have they seen this in action I is this part of the the lore of the family yeah my
mom kind of has it too what was the last dream you remember having that you can tell us right now that's not like super personal um well okay I had one like last year this was actually right before I released greedy and like I felt like entered a new life era of my life I had a dream where I was in a big ocean and it was black and everyone was on
floaties and I couldn't find a floaty and so finally I see a ladder and I go up the ladder and I get into a house and um I meet a woman it's like a haunted house and she's like oh no and she like looks at me and she's like you cannot be in here and she's like all the whatever and I was like why and she takes me to this room and she goes you're about to
die and then I remember being like SED sobbing and then I wake up and I'm like and and I like asked one of my like healing people and she was like oh this means like the birth of a new you and I Wasing but that thank goodness you asked I know right otherwise yeah I'd be freaking out but that I have lot of those kind of dreams and I have when I
was younger just that I feel like mean a lot I've just started dreaming again like for a long time I I I would never remember any dreams and they've been kind of vivid lately it's been pretty interesting wow and you remember them yeah some of them but the the recurring one I have is that I'm showing up late for a maths exam and and I haven't
studied and I didn't realize it was happening I think it's pretty common school was traumatic for me yeah that means something you should search it up it means School sucked that's what I never want to go back to neither formal education yeah no um let's talk about the album title right um I I want to know what's so close to what kind of means to you um this idea of um it
always just being slightly Out Of Reach and is that okay I just felt that way a lot um looking into my life as a 21-year-old this year just feeling like I was pursuing this career that um like what I was talking about at the beginning like you have to fall in love with the process because you feel like sometimes you're working towards this never- ending Finish Line
or this this Finish Line that actually doesn't exist and you could get to these Milestones that you think about forever and you get there and you're like okay why do I not feel satisfied with myself yet why do I not feel good enough yet why do I not and I just think that that was a reoccurring theme in my life and relationships being like Oh I have to do
this again now I just got heartbroken and now I have to reall in love I have to reintroduce myself to someone and I'm just like oh life just kind of felt like this revolving door this never ending Road this visual that I was just like you have to Define where you find your happiness because life isn't going to do that for you it doesn't make little
marks or like good job you made it to this point yeah cuz that's a control thing because the anxiety that's at least for me what is always been it's like if I get to that place I won't be anxious because I've achieved the thing i' I was trying to control but it doesn't exist exist and I you could achieve um the hypothetically like you're the biggest thing you ever
imagined in your brain and if you're you're mentally not there and you mentally have not changed it still is going to feel the exact same way as if you were to do something tomorrow you know yeah you got to let go that's and and that's a lifelong practice yeah do you would you consider yourself historically to be somebody who who experiences anxiety forms of anxiety I
would say so I didn't used to when I was younger but I think um especially in the music industry it it feels like there's just do you always want to do more and you always want to be better and you always want to look better and sound better and write better and there's like it's like when you when do you finish an album you could make an
art piece that's so beautiful and then rip it apart to shreds until it's gone and it loses all the magic so it's like when is the moment you stop when is the moment you're satisfied when is the moment it's enough and that's like an ongoing question that I've felt in this industry that is it I mean how do you know the painting's finished and how do
you know what to do with it and and then it's the execution is the bravest part yeah do you is is it hard not feeling feelings of competitiveness especially being a young person in the industry even with people you admire to not be drawn into that thing that happens primarily on the playground like someone's doing better than me how do I
get past them of course I mean I think that's a very miserable miserable way to look at life because I do think that things happen to people at the right time and when you're ready for it I mean there's so many things that have happened now that I wanted when I was 16 and then I did it at age 19 and I'm like oh my God imagine if I did that at age
16 like that would have been horrible so I I do have that belief that everything happens at the right time which I think allows me to not have that comparison mentality all the time but the one thing that I think is really imp like hard for me is this underlying perfectionism that I've had in me since being a ballerina and being a dancer that I just I have a
heart time ever being happy with how I how I danced or how I sang or how I like it's like that's the competitive part of me is I just it never feels like good enough did you think you had that and you were drawn into an artistic and expressive place where you could attack it or do you think it was that was something that you picked up after you
realized that you you'd moved into an environment where there was such a dedication and and and on practice and being perfect like you say being a ballerina they call PR B Aras for a reason it's like so which came first do you think I think I've always just had this um hard on yourself I've always been hard on myself I've always been like I remember waking up at 8 years old
doing at like 6:00 a.m. doing like 500 crunches to like make sure that I was in more shape than my brother which is crazy at 8 years old um so I think just like as a dancer as an athlete like having that kind of like household like you can drive yourself a little crazy and I think as I've gotten older like that's just kind of still in me still in
you yeah but I guess awareness is a good place to be right yeah and so going through life now being aware that that's a part of how you think of yourself yeah do you feel like you're on the right Road like that that you're able to kind of find a little more equilibrium away from that self-fulfilling pressure cooker environment and you're able to enjoy it
a little more be present for sure I mean I have that part of me but I also think that part of me is what makes me make stuff that I'm proud of yeah yeah such a fine line right it's such a balance like I I don't wouldn't ever wish for this part of me to go away because I think that's what makes me have a motivation for life and makes me love what I'm
doing in life sure my obsessive compulsive disorder was great feel great you know and that's so there's that part where some days I wake up and I'm like oh this is like a like a pressure cooker of anxiety and feels terrible and then some days I'm like oh wow like I feel like I could do anything because I I have this fire inside of me and I I would never wish for that fire
to go away things great things go in threes magic number um three albums in you know you're going to go out on another tour right now you're taking great people thanks for taking one of New Zealand's finest out on the road Ben's awesome um so does it feel like a like a Trilogy to you this this or does it feel like it frees you after this album or am I just putting too much math
on it um I feel like the albums aren't as like connected as I think this album feels just like an evolution from my last one I feel like I'm just changing a lot right now and I have been the last couple years every year I feel like a different person yeah and I think that this album feels different and this tour I want it to feel different it my second
year dancing on tour doing Arenas just feels exciting I'm so excited to create the show I can't wait to build it and dance and choreograph it like that that is what fuels me for everything so it's your best album I mean I was talking to to Jeff before and we were talking about our favorite songs and he mentioned you know I don't know if I'm allowed to blow
up a spot and say whether we what one he likes or doesn't like can I get a thumbs up from the chorus room please he loves green light yeah and maybe you already knew that and um I don't know if you know this about Jeffrey he doesn't really like music yeah no not at all um so when he says he likes a song it's like wao he likes a song this is
unbelievable he actually likes a song so let's talk a little bit he's not even smiling at that guy's killing me right now literally killing me um what let's talk about that song though because I love that song as well and I feel like it's the perfect lead into Nostalgia and I feel like you know the album really it it's it it knows Itself
by the time green light comes along it's like I kind of know what I am if the album was a person yeah Green Light um to me was a perfect way to describe the feeling of um falling in love again and being terrified to do that um I just remember walking to the studio I wrote this by myself I was sitting in a corner not knowing how I felt about this new
relationship that I was in I felt really happy and excited but I also had like this this is your current relationship yeah I just felt like this like ball of Doom inside of me being like Oh my God like I really don't know if I can do this again cuz this is so I just don't want to get hurt again it was like that fight ORF flight mode again where I was
like oh my God I'm not ready and um I was just singing and hearing these chords play and I just kept humming I'm still waiting at the green light tell you what I feel like but I can't go and oh was such a good line I thought that that was a really cool metaphor especially with this road that I kept seeing and this concept of the album because I was just like every everyone
is telling me it's okay all the signals are telling me it's okay every sign is saying I can go there's a green light telling me to push the gas and I can't push the gas and I that I think just proves how us as people are uh just reflection of our past and how that fully shapes who we are so people who are going through something as similar to this which is an everyday
occurrence for everybody in every Walk of Life right yeah I know this is going to be an exciting moment in my life but I'm not entirely sure I have the courage to be able to go forward yeah what was the Tipping Point for you when you decided you know what I'm going to drive um staying with the metaphor staying with the metaphor I mean I
think this song really helped me find a lot of perspective because I realized it wasn't the person it wasn't me it was merely just it was just the past and my fear and that helped me find some perspective on it what's blood on my hands about Blood of My Blood of my hands was one of the the last by the way thank you FL mly by the way came through
I know she sounds so good um you know I honestly just wanted to do a Miami base record so bad that's as simple as that that's honestly all I wanted should be um nothing too much more than that honestly we were just in New York um my whole album had gotten leaked on the internet oh yeah leaked this um how do you feel about that I was devastated yeah it is cuz by the way people who
think that it's old hat and leaking records and who gives a and fix your face and get over it I want the music and you should be happy I want it man you put so much into this yeah and I just sometimes I'm just like oh whatever it's I write a million songs and when this album got leaked I just realized how much these songs were actually
stories about my life and they meant so much you didn't get to tell them the right way and I didn't get to tell them the right way and they personal stories that I'm like you guys this isn't yours yet who leaks who leaks music in 2025 I mean what is this 2000 what is this Napster it was really I just remember I was czy I was at um you get 500 bucks for leaking a rord now
I mean I was I was at dinner and I was just like in New York I was like oh my God my whole album just got leaked what the how do you find I wouldn't even know how you find this out luckily my fans are nice and they sent me a DM and they said your album just got leaked and um this was the one notification from the one fan that I get on my DMs and
whatever I got this message I your stomach must have dropped started sobbing I was like I don't think I've ever I haven't cried this much in like 5 years and I yeah I felt bad I felt bad for ly CU I kept being like I'm fine and then I'd like he'd be falling asleep and i' like watch me cry like me c I'm so sad like and I just yeah I was I was really devastated so then I was like
well it let's book some studio sessions I'm not going to and so I wrote a couple more songs good and finished the record how I wanted it to be finished think about us as music fans is sure we're all excited and we want but we want it when you want to give it to us yeah it's not a about the music just the music it's about the extension of the relationship that
people have with you and your music yeah and it's only really special when you give it to us cuz it's a gift yeah it's not for us to take yeah so it won't make any difference well and that's honestly it sparked some new creativity I was like you know what Now's the Time to make Miami base record and leak this yeah so I went in and I wrote that song
I got FL Milly on it and and and I think it's such a fun record and honestly it's just like yeah it was I've always wanted to do a song like that so Tate I always enjoy hanging out talking with you you know and um you were so generous when we first spoke given that you know you were still at school and trying to figure it out and I'm just like so are you and
you're like I don't know I'm figuring it out but um this is easily the most fun time that I've had talking with you and it makes sense cuz the music is so good so thank you I hope you always come back and see us when you've got things to talk about music to play we really appreciate you thank you for having me appreciate it [Music]