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You know, it turns out that the Red Cross is not looking for a nightclub promoter.
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Uh Doctors Without Borders are they're looking for credible doctors, not, you know, cool DJs or or promoters.
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So, I remember being so um dejected by the rejections.
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And then one organization wrote me back and said, "If you are willing to pay us $500 a month to volunteer, and if you're willing to go live in the poorest country in the world, a country I'd never even heard of called Liberia, uh and it was at the bottom of the United Nations development chart because it had just come out of a 14-year civil war, and there was finally data on the country that they could stack-rank it at the bottom of the world.
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And they said, "We are taking a medical mission into this country, and we'll take you if you pay us." What's up?
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Uh I have Scott Harrison here.
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We've been, I don't know, maybe planning to do, at least in my head, I've been planning to do an episode like this for a long time. Um so, Scott is here. on. Let's be honest.
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You did invite yourself on, but that's something that I love about you.
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You are also like kind of You are you are also like kind of unashamed.
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You you are unashamed at like doing getting the right thing done.
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Um I met this guy once and he said, "If your intentions are good, you can get away with anything."
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And I don't know if that's, you know, I don't know if that's 100% true, but I but I I do think it's it's it's a good motto.
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Don't be don't be too shy.
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So, yes, you invited yourself on, but I think it's going to be a good one.
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Well, the alternative was you want people to die a bad water, so I mean Right, yeah. Well, which one is it? I'm just kidding.
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Um Scott's a good friend.
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Uh we met through uh mutual friend Michael Birch, and then uh I went on a trip to Africa with Scott and saw the work that he was doing, so that was kind of cool.
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I I'll say this, so a lot of people click on this podcast cuz they're schemers and dreamers.
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They're trying to figure out how to make money and we don't shy away from the fact that we enjoy making money and we enjoy the game of business.
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I think for most people, here's their mindset coming in.
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It's going to be charity episode, uh okay, you know, maybe if I'm in the mood.
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But, I'm going to tell you this.
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So, that person who's a little on the fence, let me tell you this right now.
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You're going to love this episode way more than the normal one for two reasons.
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The first is you're going to be inspired.
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Scott's story is is very inspiring.
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I've heard him tell it many times.
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I'm giving going to give him the opportunity to tell it here because it's kind of one of these like real-life movies in a way.
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And um he started off as a not-so-do-gooder and turned into a very do-gooder and I think the story is very good.
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Um and two, he's basically he's an entrepreneur and he took an entrepreneurial approach to charity, which I think very few uh I know I know personally a very few examples of that.
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And he's a very good storyteller.
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And for all of you people who reach out to me saying, "Oh, Sean, I love your stories."
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Well, the master is here.
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He's a much better storyteller than me.
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So, if you take nothing else away from this, you'll pick up a lot on storytelling.
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That's what Those are my promises to you. Uh Scott, how did I do?
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Do you think I said these things properly? Yeah, I know. No pressure.
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Luckily, you've told this story once or twice before.
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Well, I Okay, I I like schemers and dreamers.
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So, I was definitely a schemer and dreamer at 18 years old.
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Uh I was born in Philadelphia, raised in a conservative Christian family.
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And when I was four, my mom passed out on the bedroom floor uh due to a carbon monoxide gas leak in our house.
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So, we just moved into this new house.
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Uh my dad was excited cuz it was reducing his commute.
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He wanted to spend more time with me, have a big family.
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And she was the canary in the coal mine, uh which her her unconsciousness led to the discovery of this gas leak.
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And life was never the same again. Uh mom never recovered.
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her because she was at home all the time.
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You guys were at school or work. That's right.
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She was unpacking boxes from the move, you know, putting frames on the walls.
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Uh dad was working, you know, long hours at a job.
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I was at school playing with my friends uh at their houses and she was she she bore the brunt of it.
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And we my dad actually got sick.
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So, we had some weird food allergies, some migraines. But she got really sick.
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And this led to the discovery of the gas leak.
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My dad ripped out the furnace with his bare hands.
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He threw it out on the curb.
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And from that point on, her immune system was irreparably disabled.
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And uh unfortunately, I have 40 years of experience with the 3M family of masks.
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So, my mom was always masked from that point on.
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Charcoal masks, N95 masks.
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Everything chemical made her sick.
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So, she was able to survive by creating isolation rooms for herself.
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Um this sounds strange, but my mom lived in a tin foil covered bathroom and she slept on an army cot that had been washed in baking soda 20 times.
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She was so sensitive that if she wanted to read a book, I would have to either bake her book in the oven or set it outside for a couple days in the sun to get that smell of print out.
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Then I would knock on the door, I would hear the tin foil rustle.
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I would hand her the lightly baked book and with her mask on and a pair of gloves, she would receive the book from me and shut the door.
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So, all that to say, a very weird childhood uh in a caregiver role, doing the cooking, doing the cleaning, you know, helping my dad.
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My dad was an amazing loyal man, stuck by her, uh believed that one day God would make sense of all this.
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And you know, my mom just lived with this for the rest of her life.
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So, you know, the first kind of chapter of my life, if you'd run into me as a young teenager, I was going to be a doctor.
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I was going to cure mom and everybody else sick with a condition like hers.
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Uh instead, I became a schemer and a dreamer.
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And at 18, yeah, I moved to New York City and just had that wake up moment. Now, it's my turn.
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Now, it's my turn to break the rules.
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I don't want to take care of anyone anymore.
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I want to take care of myself.
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And I want to have sex, and I want to do drugs, and I want to drink, and I want to be rich and famous.
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And I stumbled into this job as a New York City nightclub promoter, where you had a pretty good shot at achieving those markers of success.
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And I I became really good at throwing parties at the high end, selling thousand-dollar bottles of Cristal, selling $25 vodka Red Bulls that cost us $0.
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25, and creating spaces for movie stars and actors and, you know, musicians and, you know, fashion moguls and designers to party.
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And you know, it couldn't have been more opposite maybe from the the slightly repressed Christian upbringing.
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And, you know, a picture of my life 10 years later was me in a DJ booth with a famous DJ.
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I'm spraying champagne down over the crowd.
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Puff Diddy's at table one, Jay-Z's at table three, and I'm at table two, thinking I'm a rock star because we had prettier girls at our table than Jay-Z or Puff Diddy.
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And And this was, you know, it was dinner at 10:00, the nightclub at 12:00, and then after hours at 5:00 a. m.
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, and to bed at noon, taking Ambien to come down with a whole lot of self-loathing, you know, if it if it caught up to us, which it it did, you know, far too often towards the end of that.
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So, uh it was 10 years for me to realize that I had made a mess of my life.
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I had come so far from the spirituality, from the morality that my parents had tried to instill in me.
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So far from wanting to become a doctor to help others.
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And one day half my body went numb.
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And you know, maybe no surprise to anybody listening as I just described what I was doing.
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But I just remember thinking like I'm going to die. I'm going to die.
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I've been living like I'm going to live forever and now I'm going to die in a week.
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I've got some brain tumor.
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I've got something very wrong with me cuz I can't feel half my body.
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And I went to doctors and had MRIs and CT scans and you know, they hooked diodes up to me and electromagnetic pulsing all that.
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They couldn't figure out anything wrong with me.
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Uh but it was a wake-up call, Sean, that if I did die my tombstone, the best it could read would be here lies a man who's got a million people wasted.
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That's the only thing I had to show for my career.
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in the doctor's office, did you fill out the little form?
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Were you just like, yes, on all the questions?
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It's like, have you in the last 6 months consumed any drugs, alcohol?
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I remember being brutally honest, yeah. Right?
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Cuz cuz like everybody kind of cheats a little.
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Like, how many alcoholic drinks? Right?
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You shave that by half typically. I think I was honest.
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And like, how many alcoholic drinks? Like, 165 a week.
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Yeah, something just Yeah.
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How many packs of cigarettes? Two and a half a day.
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Um you know, anyway, they they couldn't find anything wrong with me.
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But this led to, you know, a pretty radical life change and and maybe the close of chapter two as this sycophantic, hedonistic nightclub promoter living only for himself.
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Um and I I wondered whether I could start life over at 28.
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And really asked myself, what would the opposite of my life look like?
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You know, I realized a pivot was not in order.
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You know, this was this was not a small course correction that needed to happen.
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This was like do and think and say the 180 degree opposite of everything you've done and thought and said for the last 10 years and see how that plays out.
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And I live for these kind of like these moments, these self-talk moments.
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I think most of life is just in my own head.
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It's me it's me with me and we're having a conversation and so a lot of times it's small talk, it's surface level stuff.
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And then there are these times where I have the like the real conversation with myself in my head.
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Do you do you remember what that like what those days or like what made you really like have that that that conversation with yourself at that point? Yeah.
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Yeah, well, there was a faith piece.
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So, I started praying again and you know, kind of going back and like, hey, what do I believe any of that stuff from childhood?
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You know, there was a lot of religion, there was a lot of rules, you know, but but there was a lot of good in there as well.
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So, I started, you know, try to kind of come back to faith again.
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So, there was a lot of prayer like, you know, God, are you there?
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And what should I be doing?
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And is there is there anything else for me?
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And I remember the self-talk really saying, okay, well, if you're if you're exploring the opposite of your life, what would that look like?
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And I thought, well, it would be volunteering on a humanitarian mission in the poorest country in the world. That was the spec.
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That would be the opposite of a nightclub, you know, bottles and models lifestyle.
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And I remember from a I I was I'd taken some time driving just aimlessly north trying to, you know, find myself.
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I wound up in Maine in an internet cafe on Moosehead Lake with dial-up Dell computers and I started applying to humanitarian aid organizations that I'd tangentially heard of over the decade.
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Certainly not that I'd given any money to.
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But Doctors Without Borders, Save the Children, Oxfam, World Vision, the Red Cross.
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And I I was very clear that this is what I wanted to do.
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Give 1 year of the 10 years that I had selfishly wasted or lived and see if I could be useful.
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Well, maybe no surprise, I was denied by the first 10 organizations.
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You know, it turns out that the Red Cross is not looking for a nightclub promoter.
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Doctors Without Borders are They're looking for credible doctors, not, you know, cool DJs or promoters.
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So, I remember being so um dejected by the rejections.
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And then one organization wrote me back and said, "If you are willing to pay us $500 a month to volunteer and if you're willing to go live in the poorest country in the world, a country I'd never even heard of, called Liberia, uh and it was at the bottom of the United Nations development chart because it had just come out of a 14-year civil war and there was finally data on the country that they could stack rank it at the bottom of the world.
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And they said, "We are taking a medical mission into this country and we'll take you if you pay us every month."
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And uh the the job or the the volunteer role I signed up for was a photojournalist.
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So, I was going to be taking pictures and writing and I was always a pretty good writer and a pretty good hobby photographer, you know, through the club club years and I'd gotten a degree part-time at NYU for that because it was it was the easiest degree.
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you basically did the real-life version.
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I I don't even watch Seinfeld, but I know about this episode where George is like, "Jerry, I'm doing the opposite now.
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Whatever I used to do, I do the opposite."
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You basically had the real-life version of that where you're like, go from New York City nightlife, you know, rich, famous, fast living to I'm going to go to the poorest country on Earth, pay to volunteer, and and basically donate a year of my time just to kind of course correct and like break my own frame and shift just It sounds like you didn't even have like a long-term plan or like this grand vision for yourself.
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It was like, I just need to shift like where I'm this direction I'm going now into some I need to swerve in a in a hard hard turn.
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And then a couple of things happened.
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Yeah, that that's exactly right.
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I wouldn't have told you more than a year of line of sight.
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Um I met the chief medical officer.
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So I was going to be living on a hospital ship, a 500-ft converted ocean liner that was 50-plus years old.
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So not, you know, not a nice cruise liner.
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Um and it had been gutted and turned into a state-of-the-art hospital with a very simple idea for this charity.
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Let's sail a giant hospital ship with the best doctors in the world on their vacation time and let's take it to people who can't afford medical care.
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And and because we can control the environment, let's bring them on the hospital ship, perform these life-changing surgeries, and then set them, you know, back on land with transformed lives and transformed health.
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So I met the guy who was running this whole thing and his name was Dr. Gary Parker.
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And I learned that he was a plastic surgeon from California who had heard about this opportunity and he signed up for 3 months.
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And when I walked up the gangway of this hospital ship to to surrender my passport, he had been there 21 years.
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So he never went back to his California plastic surgery practice and he dedicated two decades of his life to this work.
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So I remember just thinking, what if that's me? What if it's not a year?
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And I wanted to know everything I could about him and what two decades of service would look like or feel like or the impact that a person could have.
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So my third day there um is the patient screening.
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So the the ship's arrival has been announced by an advance team.
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Flyers have been posted throughout the country.
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And we have been given the football stadium in the center of town, the the soccer stadium by the government to triage the people who might come to visit our doctors.
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Now, I know we have 1,500 available surgery slots to fill.
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I remember thinking to myself like are there 1,500 sick people with facial tumors or cleft lips or blind or lame uh with leprosy?
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Like it you know, that sounds like a lot of people.
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And I remember at 5:15 or 5:30 a. m.
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putting on hospital scrubs, it was still pitch black out, jumping into this convoy of Land Rovers with doctors and surgeons and nurses and we kind of snaked through the city and we came to the stadium and there were 5,000 people standing in the dark in the parking lot waiting for us to open the doors.
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And that was such a powerful moment for me realizing oh, crap.
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We're going to send 3,500 of these people home without seeing a doctor.
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Without any answer for their affliction.
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And I later learned You're probably used to having a long line outside the door. That was a good thing.
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This was a bad thing now.
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The the parallels, you know, there there have been some interesting ones.
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Um I later learned some of these people had walked for more than a month with their children from neighboring countries just hoping that a doctor might save their child's life. So, I remember Dr.
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Gary uh said to me, "Focus on the hope.
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You know, don't focus on the 3,500 people we're going to send home.
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Focus on the 1,500 people who we're going to help."
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And that's what I really did for that first year on the ship and I was documenting every single one of them before surgery and after surgery for the medical library.
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And that you know, Mercy Ships would be able to use those photos to raise money and spread awareness to the work.
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The other cool thing that happened was I was blasting my club list of 15,000 emails with pictures of facial tumors and flesh-eating disease and leprosy, you know, being healed and you know, or or patients being operated on.
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And you know, back then email open rates were like 100%.
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So there were definitely a lot of unsubscribes.
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You know, I signed up for that cool Prada party you threw once but not like the tumor party.
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Um but then you know, most people were intrigued. They were fascinated.
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I had no idea that there were doctors on a ship saving people's lives.
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How do I get a piece of this?
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How do I sponsor a surgery?
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How do I come on the ship like you?
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I remember somebody writing me from Chanel once.
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She's like, I sit here in a brightly lit cosmetic headquarters and I'm weeping.
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You know, because I want more.
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I I want more than to sell makeup every day. I want more for my life. I want more purpose.
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So I I learned that maybe the same gift of promoting, getting people to stand outside of velvet rope to queue to hope to get into a nightclub, telling the story that if you came in my club and you spent thousands of dollars and you left with a cute boy or a cute girl, then your life had meaning.
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You know, that same maybe gift or skill of of promoting could be used to promote something entirely different and redemptive and important for other people.
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So the year ended and I just signed up for a second year cuz I didn't know what was next.
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So I was like, let me go do this again for another year.
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And that was when I found water.
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So the second year I got off of the ship.
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I spent more and more time I I bought a motorcycle.
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Uh so I'm driving around West Africa, Liberia, you know, with 14,000 United Nations peacekeepers and soldiers and I've got this little press badge and I'm spending time in these rural areas and I see the water people are drinking.
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And they're drinking from swamps and ponds and rivers.
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Round green viscous water.
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And I learned two things.
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I learned half the country is drinking dirty water.
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And I learned half the disease in the country is because people are drinking dirty water.
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So, you know, for contrast, you know, a year previously I'd been selling Voss water for $10 a bottle to people who would just order 20 bottles for the table and not open any of them.
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Cuz they were drinking vodka or champagne.
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So, there was just something so, you know, profoundly contrastful of watching a human drink dirty water that was making them sick in real time.
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And knowing the excess of my former life.
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And I remember showing these photos to Dr. Gary. And I'm like, "Dr.
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Gary, no wonder 5,000 sick people are standing outside a parking lot of a stadium.
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You should see what they're drinking."
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And he said, "Yeah, I know.
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And in fact, a billion people drink this water every day.
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One in six people alive on the planet."
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He said, "Why don't you go do something about it?
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Why don't you make this your mission?
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Instead of raising money for, you know, the next 1,500 surgeries on this ship, why don't you just go get everybody in the world clean water?"
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He said, "Yeah, something like you'll be the you'd be the greatest medical professional in the the history of the world if you just brought people the most basic need for health, the most basic need for life."
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And I was 30 at the time.
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And I'm like, "Oh, well, okay, Dr. Gary. That sounds good."
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You know, and I came back to New York City and said, "That's what I'm going to do.
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I'm going to try to bring clean and safe drinking water to every single human on Earth before I die."
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Cuz that seems like a good idea.
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And it'd be great if 5,000 people didn't have to stand outside a stadium if 3,500 people didn't have to get turned away because they had clean water in their villages.
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And that was really the start of charity: water, you know, now 17 years ago.
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And you um this story I want to say two things.
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One is your story is so good that the first time I heard it, I thought, that sounds almost too good like too good to be true.
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Like the story is almost like Hollywood in that in that sense.
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Um as I got to know you, I learned that you're the real deal.
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I went with you to Africa.
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I saw the wells that you guys have created.
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I saw the drinking water.
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We did the water carry of, you know, how far the women and children have to carry water that's not even that clean, but the cleaner water back to back home just so they have water.
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Uh you know, we saw the schools that were like, you know, now could function because they had this. We saw so much stuff.
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So, I've seen the impact of it on that side. Yeah.
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I remember thinking this this almost sounds too good to be true.
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It It It It turned out to be the real deal.
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That's the first thing I want to say.
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The second thing is when you have that moment where you're like, all right, here's what I should do with my life. I know I've felt this.
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I'm sure other people felt this, too.
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The difference between what you feel like you should do and what you actually do is often held back by some sort of fear or limitation.
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Did you like once you left Africa and you get back to the to to New York, did doubt creep in or did you have any second thoughts of like, ah well, maybe I'll just send the check and go get a job somewhere like, you know, or were you really are you just wired differently where you were just sort of gung-ho like, no, I'm doing this?
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I think what helped was that I had lived there for almost a year.
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You know, you hear about a lot of people that go on a mission trip with their church and they spend five days in Guatemala or in Africa.
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Five days is not enough to change Right.
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you change everything about your life for for most people.
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Um a year of immersive proximity to an issue was.
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So, there was a responsibility to do something about what I'd seen.
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That that took more than a week or even a month. Right.
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Um so, I I remember coming home.
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Um in fact, the ship was sailing to South Africa while it was going to be dry-docked every year.
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So, they would kind of make repairs on the ship and everybody went on vacation to wine region for a month.
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I'm like, I don't want to waste my time doing that.
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I'm going to go back to New York City.
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And I'm going to put on a gallery exhibition of all the photos that I've taken and I'm going to invite all my club friends in and I'm going to ask them for money. And I did that.
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I got a gallery donated in Chelsea.
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Uh I got a bunch of, you know, printers to donate, you know, high-res giant photographs and I put together 108 of my before and afters in a gallery and I invited everybody from the clubs to come in.
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We raised about $100,000.
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And then I went back on the ship to show people what we had done with their money. Right.
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kind of follow the donation.
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And so, let's talk about the approach that you used to build Charity: Water.
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So, first let's zoom out.
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At this point, Charity: Water's been around for how many years and how much money has been uh donated and how many people have been given clean drinking water since that since this moment?
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in year 17, just started year 17.
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We've raised $750 million.
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Um and we've helped uh 16.
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8 million people get clean water. Amazing.
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And and in the world, there are 770 million people without water.
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So, it's now one in 10 people alive as we record this are drinking dirty water.
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82% of them live in rural areas.
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So, 17 years later, now back to year one of that, your approach.
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So, you took a very interesting approach to this.
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I want to start with a quote that I'd heard you say once.
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It's like this toothpaste quote.
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Uh you'll you'll tell it better than me, but I remember I still remember this.
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I You first told me this like 8 years ago or something.
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And that one stood out to me.
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It stuck with me ever since then.
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You want to say the quote so I don't butcher the exact wording.
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This was Nick Kristof in The New York Times.
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Toothpaste is peddled with far more sophistication than all the world's life-saving causes. Exactly.
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So Colgate is better than Doctors Without Borders at telling their story. Right.
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The marketing, the sophistication, the photography, the story storytelling, all of it that goes into selling random commodity products like deodorant, toothpaste.
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Um and I I what I what stood out to me when I kind of encountered what you guys were doing at Charity: Water was it was like best-in-class marketing, best-in-class product, best-in-class storytelling like you would find with the way that, you know, traditional consumer packaged good brands are are run, but you were doing it with charity and I had never seen that.
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I was used to going to a charity website that was some old and crusty Craigslist-looking site and I push a button and it asks me for money through some old payment method that I don't even know how to use. long, right?
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And then I'm like clicking accept, accept, accept.
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I have no idea where this money is going, never hear from them again, um, you know, and that was my charity experience.
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And then Charity: Water is very, very different.
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So, talk about how you decided to approach it from like first principles and what were those like core tenants uh that you you you built on top of.
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Well, I had the advantage of not knowing what I was doing.
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Uh with with many entrepreneurs that start, you know, they become the going concern. advantage.
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I didn't know any better.
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I didn't come from the established, so I knew nothing about traditional philanthropy, how to set up a charity.
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Actually went and bought the yellow Dummies book, you know, Nonprofits for Dummies. Okay?
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And then I bought HTML for Dummies cuz I'm like, well, I don't have money for a web designer, so I need to also, you know, build our website.
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So, I was living in a closet floor at the time in SoHo, New York.
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My old club partner took me in for free rent, and I was sleeping on his walking closet.
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And but I had a very clear mission.
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So, if you'd run into me 17 years ago, I'm going to bring clean water to everybody in the world.
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Same thing I'm I'm saying, you know, now.
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Um the as I talked to everyday people who worked at MTV or VH1 at the time, who worked at Sephora, who worked at Chase Bank, I realized they were cynical and skeptical about charities.
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They just didn't trust charities writ large.
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And I remember coming across a USA Today poll found 42% of Americans just flat-out said distrustful of charities.
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70% of Americans in a more recent poll said they believe charities waste their money.
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So, seven out of 10 potentially generous people think charities are wasting their donations.
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So, I thought this was a huge opportunity.
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Uh and a new business model could solve some of this uh skepticism or speak to the skeptic.
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So, I thought, well, what if we could open up two separate bank accounts?
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And in one bank account, I would raise all of that nasty overhead, the staff salaries, the office costs, the toner for the Epson copy machine, the flights to Africa, and India, and Asia where we'd eventually build our projects.
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What if I could raise that in a separate bank account?
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And then, in the main bank account, 100% of every donation, whether it was a dollar or a pound or a euro or a million dollars or a million pounds or a million euros could go directly to build water projects that saves people's lives.
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And, you know, nobody was doing this at the time.
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I mean, this would have, you know, made us different than 99.
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99% of charities in the world.
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Um because it's very difficult to do.
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But, I just thought this would be clear.
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I could say to a 6-year-old, go sell lemonade, turn in 75 cents, and all 75 cents will go directly to help people get clean water.
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So, that was kind of number one idea.
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Number two was then kind of realizing, "Wow, money's not fungible.
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So, we can build technology tools to track these small amounts of money down to the project that they funded."
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And I remember meeting the the founder of Google Earth, and he pressed this medallion into my palm.
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So, charity:water started right before Google Earth and Google Maps.
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And he says, you know, "I'm building a place where you can put every single well, every water point, and you can show people where their money went." So, I'm like, "Great.
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We're going to be the first charity to geolocate every completed project, and we're going to build the most transparent charity the world has ever seen."
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So, proof became the second pillar.
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And then the third thing was this idea of building an epic brand.
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Uh charities so often use shame and guilt to peddle their wares.
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Where would the Apple of charities? Where was the Nike?
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You know, Nike doesn't sell shoes by telling people they're fat and lazy.
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You know, Nike sells shoes by telling inspirational stories of people overcoming adversity.
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You know, Nike believes if you have one leg, you can win a marathon.
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You know, if you have one arm, you can win the shot put competition at the Olympics with your other arm.
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And, you know, Nike believes greatness is inside you, and that's the way that they market.
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And someone was like, "Maybe I should turn off the TV and stop eating Cheetos and try and go run a quarter of a mile."
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So, I I wanted charity:water to be modeled on, you know, the whimsy of Virgin, the kind of beautiful design of Apple, and then this uh you know, this opportunity or inspiration of of Nike, and I just didn't see it out there.
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So, brand was kind of the third thing, the third pillar.
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And then to actually get the work done, I believed, you know, as we built wells and built gravity-fed systems and filtration systems and it would need to be led by the locals in each of these countries to be culturally appropriate and sustainable.
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Um when you came with me to Ethiopia, there were 350 local staff working on the charity:water projects, running eight different drilling rigs.
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There wasn't a single person who looked like you or me uh in that entire program of 350 people.
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And we just believed that we would create thousands of local jobs as we scaled.
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Um and our our role would be to get people to care about this issue, get people to say "It's not okay on my watch that we are looking for water on a planet over a hundred million miles away and 770 million people are risking their life every day cuz they don't have clean water here on our planet."
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So, our job would be to get people to reject the apathy that, you know, it is is easy to assume with any of these paralyzing global issues and say "Let's do something about this.
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Let's get everybody on Earth clean water."
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Like we can all agree on that.
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Republicans can agree on that.
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Democrats and independents and libertarians and Jews and Christians and Muslims and atheists and Mormons, like everybody can think that clean drinking water is a good idea.
31:57
So, it started in a nightclub.
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I mean, the only idea I had 17 years ago was to throw my 31st birthday party. I got the club donated. I got open bar donated.
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And then I charged everybody 20 bucks to get in as a donation.
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And at the end of that night, we collected $15,000 in this big plexi box.
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And we counted it, and then we counted it again, and then we photographed everybody counting it.
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And then we took 100% of the money to Uganda and we built our first well.
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And then we sent the photos and the GPS coordinates of that well back to the 700 people.
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And we say, "You did this.
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Here's where your $20 went."
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And that sounds so simple, but that was so revolutionary.
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People never expected to hear from the charity again.
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I mean, they went to some party in a club for some dude's 31st birthday and they threw 20 bucks in a bin.
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And that idea, we said, let's just put that at the core of Charity: Water and in everything we do, let's try to connect people to what their money accomplished, to the people who they helped.
33:02
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And so you you kick it off like that with a nightclub, go back to you go back to the to your kind of roots as as far as what do I know how to do?
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Okay, I can throw a great party, but this time I'll I'll I'll do it with a twist.
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And then tell the story about Mark Zuckerberg and and Michael Birch and trying to scale this up cuz I thought this was an amazing story.
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And this is where at some point your your genius business model of Not keeping all the overhead keeping all the overhead separate and letting all the donations, 100% of the donations go to the cause, sounds good in theory, but there's a reason why charities don't do this Yeah.
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because it's hard to cover the overheads.
33:56
So, talk about how you got into a little bit of a pickle and then what happened from there.
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Yeah, so about a year and a half in, well, let's just say the 100% model was working.
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And we'd raised a few million dollars just right out of the gate. People loved that idea.
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Um in the other bank account, a lot harder to raise that overhead.
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So, we had a moment where we had $887,000 ready to go out to build water projects and we were about to miss payroll in the overhead bank account.
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And it was interesting, the advice I was getting from people was, hey, go borrow from that 887. Right?
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I mean, you got to pay your people. Right.
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you'll pay it back later.
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Write a little IOU in that account.
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And I remember thinking, if we borrow one penny, we've compromised our integrity.
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There's a crack at the foundation, and I don't want to work here, and nobody will want to work here again.
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So, I'm just going to shut the charity down and say that this business model didn't work.
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And I started calling lawyers to say, like, how do you wind down a charity 18 months in because all the naysayers were right.
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It's too hard getting people excited about overhead.
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At the same time, I had just come up with this idea of trying to scale the birthday party, but not a birthday party in a nightclub. Taking it online.
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And for year two, or the the the one-year anniversary of charity:water, I donated my 32nd birthday, and instead of throwing a party, I just asked everyone to give $32 for my 32nd birthday.
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And I wound up raising 60 grand for X because a lot of people had $32 to give, especially if they could see exactly where it went.
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So, I had Googled, you know, top three social networks, and you know, MySpace was number one at the time. So, I emailed Tom.
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Facebook was number two, emailed Zuck.
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This site called Bebo that I hadn't heard of was number three.
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So, I remember scraping Michael Birch's name from the domain registry, you know, whois.
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net, and I emailed him, and I said, "Hey, I'm this kid.
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I'm trying to bring clean water to the world, and I'd like everybody on your social network to donate their birthdays to my cause. It's your Asian dollars. 100% goes.
36:03
You know, this is a great idea."
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Well, Zuck didn't write me back.
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Tom didn't write me back. Michael did.
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And he said, "I actually love this idea.
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And on the side, I have this site called Birthday Alarm, which reminds people of their birthdays.
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And he said, "You know, the timing for me is terrible right now, but you know, keep up the great work.
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And by the way, the website design looks awesome."
36:24
So, this This 6 months before the bankruptcy moment.
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And around this time when we're about to wind down, you know, I remember praying. I'm like on my knees.
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Like, "God, I thought you gave me this dream. Where's the money?
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Like, show me the money."
36:37
Uh you're showing me the money in the wrong bank account. And uh I I was praying.
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I had no faith uh that anything would happen.
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And at this time, Michael Birch time turns up and he says, "Hey, I'm going to be in New York.
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Um I've got an hour, you know, can I stop by and and see your office?"
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And I remember sitting with him and taking him through a presentation on my laptop and just being really honest about how hard it was to raise money for overhead.
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And I remember thinking he just didn't like me.
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I mean, he was British, you know, he wasn't smiling.
37:04
Not not a lot of warmth uh or encouragement.
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But 2 days later, he emails me at midnight and he says, "Hey, I really enjoyed meeting you.
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I just wired a million dollars into your overhead account."
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And I remember logging on to the bank and I saw it. 1,000,000.
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It was 13 months of overhead funding.
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So, we went from insolvent.
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And he said, I think he said, "Keep rocking."
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Just you just need more time. Love the idea. You just need more time.
37:31
And again, that was $750 million ago.
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And today, we have 131 entrepreneurs and and families that pay all the overhead.
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And we have never been close to the line since.
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Uh and and you know, we grow that group by selecting 20 new entrepreneurs and 20 new families or so every single year as the organization grows.
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And you know, Mike and Zoey have been very generous.
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They've given over $20 million.
37:59
They've come and come to 14 or 15 countries with me now, bringing their kids all over the world to see the impact that they they've made.
38:07
But that was And that was that was a moment. I've asked Michael.
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I was like, you know, you've done all these different projects.
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So, he did multiple internet companies.
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He uh He did the battery. Did the battery.
38:19
So, he's got this members club like you know, a physical building, a giant beautiful 60,000 sq ft building.
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He's done, you know, 100 investments, whatever.
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I asked I was like, you know, "What's your favorite?
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What's the best thing you've done?"
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Um and instantly he just goes, "Charity water." He goes, uh "Yeah."
38:37
He goes, "The most fulfilling work that I have done is basically help, you know, donating and then helping helping Scott and and taking my family, my kids to Africa.
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They I think they go like almost every year or every other year or something like that to go and see the work and the projects."
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And he's like, "I love those trips with my family. My kids love it.
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It's taught them so much.
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And uh you know, he's like, "That's the best thing I've done, hands down."
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And I thought that was pretty impressive.
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Here's a guy who's made like a billion dollars and built social networks with, you know, whatever, millions and millions of users and all that good stuff.
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And and I thought that was pretty um pretty remarkable.
39:14
And it sounds like because when I met you, uh I went to one of your events and then I went to the Ethiopia trip with you.
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And the Ethiopia trip, you know, it was like the who's who.
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It was like, you know, famous tech founders, actors, actresses, people from Hollywood, people from the music industry.
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was on that trip, I think. We were on that trip. Fun group of people.
39:34
Yeah, it was kind of an amazing group and um you know, just like the kind of bus ride conversations were were were just incredible for the group.
39:43
And then um and then I played Wonderwall at the fire and people saw that. Right.
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People saw that I only know three of the four chords of Wonderwall.
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And and so then we we go there and I'm like, "This is an incredible way to like, you know, the best products in the world are products where you can either show somebody a before and after photo.
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Even better, you just put a product in their hands.
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Or even better, what you were doing which was, if I let you see it, you're going to believe."
40:11
And so, what have you learned in that process of like going from almost out almost bankruptcy to now raising $750 million for charity.
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Which by the way is a fraction of what we need to raise to make the impact that we want to make.
40:25
So, you know, 17 million people, that's great.
40:27
That's 1/47th of the way there.
40:30
So, you know, we are we we believe we're in like the second inning of this.
40:33
I looked at the 27 stock 27-year Justin Khan tweeted this a couple years ago.
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27-year stock chart of Amazon.
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7% of the value was created in the first 20 years.
40:45
93% of the value years 21 through 27.
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So, I you know, things take time, you know, and we believe that you know, this is just a mile marker on you know, hopefully the expansiveness of the charity water community and the generosity that is yet untapped as we again try to get everybody clean water.
41:05
I mean, there's probably nobody listening that thinks people should die by drinking bad water simply because of where they were born. Right, we all agree.
41:13
And what is the cost to give someone clean drinking water rough I know you I remember there was a number and then and then I remember you were like, "Hey, that number's outdated.
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It doesn't take into account these other things. Let's raise it."
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And I remember being like, "Well, I don't know that do we want it should we just round the number?"
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And you're like, "No, we don't round the number.
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We just say what the actual cost is."
41:30
Like Yeah, yeah, I I really appreciate the integrity of it. So, what is it?
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year was it's $40 to give one person clean water on average.
41:38
We work across 22 countries.
41:39
I think last year's actual was 39. 67.
41:44
And so So, $40 and that's for a year or that's for a lifetime or what's that?
41:48
that's for 10 10 plus years, you know, for the life of the project.
41:49
Some of these projects last more than 20 years.
41:52
can change you can absolutely change somebody's life for 40 bucks. I know.
41:57
And um talk about some of the things that you've tried.
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So, now let's kind of go into the the slightly entrepreneurial section of like, you know, stories of stuff you've tried or or opportunities that you see more in the spirit of kind of how we typically brainstorm things around here.
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Yeah, I mean we've, you know, innovation has been a real core of the organization.
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As you say, trying new things.
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We made one of the first virtual reality films 7 years ago.
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This is before they had VR cameras that you could buy.
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We got GoPros donated, made a modified rig, and shot a 6-day journey where a 13-year-old girl gets clean water for the first time in her life.
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Uh we debuted that at a gala where we put headsets on 400 people in black tie.
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We press pressed play in synchronicity.
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We took them all to Ethiopia for this week of, you know, water magic.
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And then the minute the film ended, we just asked them for money.
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And raised a couple million dollars.
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So, you know, that that was a fun one.
42:50
Um you know, a couple years ago uh we got into the Bitcoin space and we started a trust uh called the Bitcoin water trust where we raised 100 Bitcoin to start.
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And we said, "We're going to lock them all up in cold storage until at least 2025."
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So, we're not going to sell it.
43:09
Charity Water Each charity's typically when you give them stock, you know, they immediately liquidate.
43:11
Who are we to ever take a position on any asset, right?
43:16
And we said, "We're going to take a position on this.
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And we think, you know, there will be people who would only give us a Bitcoin donation, you know, to hold past, you know, the next halving and and and and maybe even longer, but would never give us a Bitcoin, you know, to immediately liquidate.
43:30
They'd rather give us cash or some other asset."
43:32
Um so, we raised over 100 there and that's that that campaign is open is still going with that same promise that 100% will then, you know, get unlocked at some point 2025 and beyond and then go to have as much impact as as possible.
43:49
Um gosh, I mean we, you know, the birthday idea raised over 100 million dollars um by getting over a million people involved just in that simple idea and that's now been taken by lots of other charities.
44:00
And what's the best way to to open up a physical birthday in My birthday is in 2 weeks.
44:04
I I to give up my birthday.
44:05
What's the best way to I'll be your first donor. All right.
44:08
It's it's at least worth it to set up the page in 30 seconds.
44:09
Is it still at my charitywater.
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com or where where do I go now to do that?
44:13
I think it's just I think it's probably on the home page now. Okay, wonderful.
44:16
Yeah, so that's another way people can get and then we have we have an amazing subscription community called the spring.
44:23
Um which is that has really helped the organization triple over the last 5 years and it's I remember being in a Land Rover with Daniel Ek from Spotify and he's like Scott your business model sucks.
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Every January 1 all that money you raised last year your ticker starts at zero.
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You got to go re-raise all that and then grow.
44:43
He said why don't you build a community of people who will sign up every single month to give what they can.
44:49
And that's the spring that now has members from 149 countries and is really the core of so much of our growth.
44:57
The average is about 30 bucks a month.
45:00
So it's it's a little less than one person getting clean water but there are a lot of people that can give one person clean water every single month and not even miss it not even think about it.
45:11
You know, it's two Netflixes and a Spotify. Right? Or two HBO Maxes.
45:15
And and instead of you know getting content that you probably don't even need to watch more of anyway, your humans are getting clean water as 100% of that goes.
45:23
So that's people could learn more about that at the spring.
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com and there's also a video there that's gotten over 100 million views which is a is a short telling of our story with some of the visuals that you mentioned.
45:34
And I'm going to ask you one impossible question which is kind of like you know, you ask Michael Jordan how do you do how do you do it? Right?
45:40
It's like you have told me little things in passing around cuz I I kind of admire your brand building your storytelling and your event thing also like we didn't even talk about the events that you guys throw and how those drum up so much interest and passion and and donations.
45:53
And you you had told me one thing about the events that I shared on the podcast that a lot of people liked which was when I asked you why are your events so good?
46:00
Why why do people rave about the events and you said, "Oh, I got this from from Vic, my wife.
46:03
She she says uh you know, it's about the moments between the moments."
46:08
Um and you gave me that little philosophy.
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And I I don't even think I understand 80% of that, but it it gave me something We should get my wife in here. It's provocative, right?
46:17
It It gave me something to think about.
46:18
I'm curious, do you feel like is there anything that you've kind of is your your personal philosophies or isms or sort of sort of like life hacks when it comes to either the storytelling, the sales, the marketing side, the brand building?
46:29
Like do you have any other moments between the moments that I can I can take with me this time?
46:34
Well, I I think the more you give, the more you give.
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So, I think it's like a muscle.
46:39
And practicing generosity, practicing saying yes, just makes you want to say yes more.
46:44
It makes you want to help more people.
46:49
Um you know, I think a lot of people just they have the walls up.
46:51
Like, "Oh my gosh, if I say yes to this charity, I'm going to say yes to the next one." Right. "Yes to the next one."
46:56
And like everybody's going to be asking me. Like that's okay. Try that.
47:01
You know, and and and if you if you have to take the amount that you're giving down to all of them so you can say yes to more, try encouraging a social entrepreneur.
47:09
Try encouraging someone who has mustered the courage to ask you to support their run or you know, their son's leukemia treatment or the food pantry or a cause like water around the world. Like say yes. And it's a joy to give.
47:24
It It's It's a blessing to give.
47:24
You know, the first three letters in the word fundraising, it's fun.
47:31
Like it should be fun to raise money for important causes, to raise money uh to give money to end needless suffering around the world.
47:38
And I think the more you do it, the more you want to do it.
47:42
Um and the more you say no, the more you're inclined to say no and miss out. Right.
47:47
Well, I will uh I will take your challenge. I will say yes.
47:49
So, I'm going to set up a a birthday My birthday's in a couple weeks.
47:53
I'm going to set up a birthday campaign right now.
47:54
I'm going to put the link in the description of this podcast. Awesome. I love it.
47:58
So, if you if you love this podcast, if you love me, you normally that we have this thing called the gentleman's agreement it it or the ladies understanding, which is basically says go subscribe to our channel.
48:05
Today, it's a little bit of a different gentleman's agreement.
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Donate your age in dollars.
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How old are you going to be? 35.
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So, so think is if you want to give me a gift, 35 bucks towards charity:water, I'm going to put the link in the description, and then I will donate $35,000 on top of whatever gets donated from people to to charity:water as well, man.
48:26
And so that will be my my my gift and and Scott, thanks for coming on.
48:30
I promised you I'd get you out of here on time.
48:31
So, I got to I got to wrap it here here, but thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.
48:35
That's that's really incredible.
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That means so much to me.
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And and thank you for kind of showing I don't know, I've learned a lot from you.
48:41
That's a little bit of my education from you on on brand building, storytelling, and doing thing you know, like I don't know, you you have the you have a lot of courage.
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You do you chose to spend your life doing something that matters.
48:53
Like you you didn't care about this stuff, but I remember when I went to Ethiopia with you, and we went to one of the schools where a well had been built, and literally when we were coming in, I was like, are the Beatles behind us?
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What is this giant crowd? Huge crowd.
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Like the whole town was there lined up, and literally I was like, Scott is like Jesus to them.
49:11
Like there were signs with your name, and I was like, of course there should be because of the impact.
49:17
And it you know, for somebody who you work on the internet, like I'm sitting here in my boxers right now doing a podcast.
49:21
Like we live a pretty charmed life.
49:23
Uh we get to do things that are are are pretty pretty, you know, easy in the grand history of the world.
49:30
Um I think it's pretty easy just to be disconnected from from reality and what's going on for billions of people out there.
49:36
And so, you know, I thank you for for giving me that experience.
49:38
And you know, if if anybody has the opportunity to kind of turn a little bit of your attention away from kind of the Twitter and the TikToks of the world and take a look at what's going on in the world, I think it will it will help you and kind of make an impact for them the same way it did for me.
49:52
Oh man, I I appreciate the the chance to to tell the story.
49:55
And thanks again for your generosity.
49:56
That means that means a lot to me and more more importantly the people who'll be on the receiving end of it.
50:02
And if people want to go learn more about you, the charity, where uh shout out where you want to send people to.
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Uh I would just say charitywater. org and the spring. com. Okay. Awesome. Thanks, Scott. Thanks, man. Thanks for having me.