what happened to me in my life is statistically impossible so someone upstairs was looking out yet i wasn't showing that respect of saying i trust that you love me i trust that everything's gonna be okay giving that trust to the universe i've seen amazing miraculous things start to
happen in my life [Music] you and your wife have the most amazing eyes so having to stare directly at you and do this podcast i feel like i'm slowly falling in love so there you go so now we now we can do this because i have to stare into those
pools so this is why you don't look at me this is why i was like it's like scooter doesn't give me icons yeah it's funny prince is right there because there's that famous joke of like never look prince in the eyes you'll fall in love this is what you learned at the j-shad
podcast i love it man you look different since the last time i saw you yeah shaved shaved and you look well though you look great man thanks man and and i wanna i wanted to tell people because i i think when people see people connecting they don't realize
sometimes how organically people meet and i want to share that story if that's okay and you can you can fill in the details let's do it but it was a couple of years ago we were at our mutual friend justin baldoni's movie premiere yeah he had the movie coming
out five feet apart and i went to the movie premiere i was running late i didn't think i was going to make it i was like oh gosh i don't want to let justin down i really want to be there for him and then i'm walking in and then i see you walking in
and i knew who you were based on all the incredible work you've been doing for two decades now or more and and i and i knew you i i didn't know that i was a fan of what you were putting out there and i was in the positivity so when i saw you i got just just as
excited so i got excited and i was in this space where i was like i have to go and tell him because if someone's impacted your life or you love the artists they work with the work that they do today we're going to discuss all the philanthropy work you're doing
when you're into someone i feel like it's so important to not go and ask for a picture but to go and express how you feel about them and so i came up to you and i was like scooter i'm a big fan of all the work you're doing congratulations and then when you said it back to me and
and i remember the words you said they were so powerful and it just showed me how present you were and and i think maybe you know people don't know this about you but it's not everyone gets to bump into you but you were like i said the work you're
doing is really important thank you for doing it and you you said you're doing the most important work and you i meant it yeah and it was it really touched my heart i was so you know i was so humbled and honored to hear that from you and then we we were like
well let's get together and i think you kind of looked at me when i said it as like okay yeah you're not really going to get together definitely and we ended up going for lunch or you know yeah our wives met and um we became friends you know and then uh you joined us on a
trip and you know it's uh i just i'm so happy to see your message getting louder and louder and bigger and bigger because i think you're giving people a lot of the things they need to hear and a lot of positivity and allowing them to slow down and take
a breath yeah thank you man and i've always felt that support from you and we've had some amazing trips and some good walks and some good walks as well some really important walks and meaningful times in my life and uh you've always been so helpful mentoring
supportive as well and so thank you but today i think you know the fascinating thing for me is that you have these incredible artists that you founded you then have the man behind the people the work the person but then even far removed from that you have the
work that the man is doing behind the scenes and so it's almost like you're twice removed the real you the the behind the scenes version of you is almost so distant from what people experience on the front lines that's what i want to discover today and share today
because that's what i feel i got a glimpse of uh yeah i think you did and um i think it's so funny that we're doing this because we talked about doing this pre-covet yeah and then covet hit and a lot of things happen a lot of things changed um and you know for me covid was an
opportunity to slow down and do some real self-reflection and self-work which i think we all should be doing at all times you know i really came to terms with the fact that as long as i'm breathing i'm a student and it's funny that you start there
because obviously my nickname is scooter and my my given name was scott and i can tell you i don't remember ever liking the name scott until now you know i i didn't realize until i've did the work i've done really over the last six months um
that i kind of left scott behind in a way and built something that i thought was powerful enough to be in the world something that i thought deserved to be loved by the world and i didn't realize subconsciously how much i had left that inner child behind
and my friends didn't realize it and i was having fun everything else but i was always kind of trying to build something new because of you know you and i spoke about this um one of the quotes that i loved someone said uh many times we don't know our trauma
because it was never ours and you know my grandparents are holocaust survivors and my parents went through what they went through and i feel like i kind of inherited some of that where i always felt like when is it gonna get taken away when are they gonna show up and take it
away from me so i was always building for something else um to protect me and my family not realizing that everything that i ever needed was right here in the present and uh doing this work i went back and got scott and i think you saw a glimpse of that
certain friends of mine saw a glimpse of that and i feel like coming out of cove and i'm putting that more on the forefront yeah i love hearing that yeah i started there just because i think it's it's the root of today's conversation you know us sitting down here today is
his two friends wanting to go deep in a conversation we would have offline but online and hearing you say that is so freeing i'm sure for everyone who's listening and watching for themselves too because i think all of us are holding on to a trauma that's not ours or
or something that we experienced let's let's focus on that let's go back then to what were you like as a kid because i'm intrigued to know i didn't know you then what were you like like were you always confident was there an insecurity what is it that you were
working through as a kid or at least in hindsight you know look i out of respect for people that i love there's certain things i'm not not gonna go into only because i realize now that we all see the world through our lens and when you really start to do the work
you realize that things that happened to you a lot of times were happening to you because it's all that people knew you know and that it's not about resenting anyone or being angry it's actually about loving more and then changing the pattern you know because you're choosing that
for yourself um so what i can tell you is i was a very sensitive loving kid and loved everybody loved having fun loved shining my light out there but was super sensitive and i think as i grew up i was you know i was raised for a tough world
and i was raised by very loving people but there was a lot of trauma you know that you know like i said the holocaust like things happened um and when people go through that they're trying to protect their next generation they're trying to protect their loved ones
so they're giving them that what you need to look out for and i'm grateful for that many ways because there's great things that come with that but also as a child you don't really have that rational thought until you're like six or eight years old so you're interpreting things the way
you are you don't realize you're setting these patterns um and i'm not embarrassed to say this you know one of the things i did during covet in fact i'm not the opposite of embarrassed i'm grateful to these people i i uh i had canceled four times on
something called the hoffman process and i finally went in october um because you know friends were pushing me and saying this is gonna be great for you and i was like what do i need this for like i and i finally went and it was the greatest gift i ever gave myself
and it was the first time in 20 years that i went no phone no email no tv i was completely ingrained in this process and funny enough which is why you and i haven't connected when i got out everyone was like okay he's gonna turn his phone back on and i actually
got a burner phone and didn't turn my actual phone back on until the end of the year wow until 2021 really and i you know my team stepped up for me i was kind of going through a couple different people and you know giving the suggestions and helping and um
the artists that i work with were incredibly respectful of it and appreciative because you know i've been there for them and i remember them looking at me like now it's time for us to be here for you and let you go through you know your learning and whatever and
um and i've really had a shift in my life and uh i couldn't be more grateful because you go through and things are going good you're seeing other people in their trauma you're seeing other people with whatever they're going through and you
don't want to look at yourself because you're like well my life's so good i i have nothing to complain about i don't i don't need to do this work because who am i to even say i need help you know when people are really going through problems i should just focus on
the good things in my life and what i realized is we all deserve the right to slow down and say why am i hurting what am i going through what work can i do and um i'm grateful that a lot of people that love me push me to do that that's amazing i'm so when you told me
you did that recently when we were talking i was so happy and the other conversation we had that was attached to that it actually brought me so much joy because i feel like when someone in your life that you care for actually invests in themselves and now
is saying no to certain opportunities or delaying events in their life or priorities in their life like huge priorities i mean your artists have huge like not huge is not astronomical careers with constant releases with constant work and the fact that
you took that time they're getting to see what you're prioritizing and what i find so special about that is you had to it's amazing to think about this but you had to feel you were worthy of that time that you had to feel like you deserved it and that you couldn't just neglect it
because yes you do have a blessed fortunate life which you're grateful for very tell us about that feeling of feeling worthy because i feel like that's such a feeling like you're enough to be honest with you i think um you know one of the
things i learned there is these we have these core shame lies you know that we tell ourselves that affect us and create our fear and create our transference with other people and it's not the root of things i mean i got a new tattoo actually when i got out it
says love more on my chest because that's the number one lesson i learned that's how you need to respond to really most things yeah and i'm working on that every single day with everything whenever i feel resistance i realize oh my god this isn't there's a lesson for me here
um one of the things i had to realize is that i'm i'm good enough because there's this weird thing that like you kind of go through life wondering are you good enough and all these things are happening for you and you're wondering do i really deserve this am i
good enough the other thing i realized was none of us truly love ourselves unconditionally and then how we supposed to love other people unconditionally to me the way god loves us is unconditional and one of the things i really had to go through and
to you know what i'm reminding myself every day in my daily meditations now is that one you're good enough two you're lovable two everyone else deserves love and then the biggest thing i'm i'm realizing is that i need to trust you know trust in the unknown because
you go out there and you i gotta make this happen you know i'm gonna sleep when i'm dead like all these different things and the truth is what happened to me in my life is statistically impossible so someone upstairs was looking out and they've given me a life with every
single sign that god loves me and is looking out for me yet i wasn't showing that respect of saying i trust that you love me i trust that everything's gonna be okay and giving that trust to the universe i've seen amazing miraculous things start to happen in my life
and i i can tell you it's almost like i'm prospering better than ever before because of that and the challenges have been getting harder and harder and continuing but it's almost like these tools now are allowing me for the waves to hit me and i'm swimming through them
and i'm understanding with everything there's something else to be learned yeah see when i'm hearing you say it you can tell that it's been so realized because a lot of these things we hear them in daily talk like oh yeah you should learn from everything in life
and every every challenge has a lesson an opportunity but when you hear someone say it and they're living it it just it sounds different and it's different and the biggest thing you said which really resonated with me just now is the idea of the love more
the tattoo you got i've read this incredible statement from a writer called russell barkley he's no longer with us but the statement he said like literally this is like it's changed how i view every situation and it and it correlates so similarly to the
experience you had so russell barkley said people who need the most love often ask for it in the most unloving ways and literally every day when i'm living my life i see people ask me for love sometimes in the most unloving ways and i think we've all experienced that
big time where someone's criticizing you but really they just want love where someone's trying to get something from you or reaching out to you but they want love like everyone's ultimately seeking love but they are seeking it through validation or attention or
and i think we learned that as a kid i mean i i i told my dad you know recently that you loved me so unconditionally that i see through the lies of fear you know because how you know we we're giving our kids in a weird way sometimes transactional
love because we're trying to teach them lessons and then you go through life and i never thought i was a transactional person because i'm not like that with money yeah but i realized i was like that weirdly with love you know and and i was like that with respect
oh i'm not gonna you know you gotta respect me or respect is earned well actually i can give respect without receiving it yes you know i can give love without receiving it you know i can do that for my own self i'm just going to respond with kindness
because that's what i'm working on and by the way it doesn't always work like there are mornings you wake up and you're frustrated we're human and i think a beautiful thing my teacher said to me recently he said why are you giving yourself these unrealistic expectations
and it was so beautiful what he said it was he said if if you say to yourself i'm gonna work out every single day this month and then you miss one workout you know what you normally do you end up missing three or four because you're kind of ashamed that you
missed that once you kind of fall off the wagon the truth is stop giving yourself this crazy expectation give yourself some self-compassion we're not perfect we're flawed so if i miss that workout you know what that's okay i'll get back on it tomorrow you know and
the same thing goes with anger with frustration you're allowed to fall and stumble and then realize it can get back on and that's the biggest thing i'm working on because i'm a perfectionist i want to you know i want to get this learning right but it doesn't it doesn't end here you
know if it ends i die yeah yeah you know and then i could probably come back and learn again yeah um which is by the way anyone wants to understand you and i have talked about this many lives many masters by brian weiss is a very good book to read to
kind of just give yourself an idea of why thinking about reincarnation is such a beautiful way to look at life yes um really but yeah it's these are the things you and i talk about i don't know i started going no i'm just saying it's people like get on the podcast and
they're like we're gonna talk career and everything else and i said i want to do jays because we're probably not going to talk any career yeah yeah and well for me it's just this coming from hashtag no days off so when i met you it was hashtag no days
off and i'm going down and i'm personal but we worked out together i have never thrown up that bad in my life if you remember yeah i was a little out of control with the expectations of working out i was like i was like are you okay we worked out
together we did this crazy circuit and i don't like high intensity for anyone who's listening or watching and literally we did this workout and you know i mean you could tell scooter's got a completely different body to mine i'm doing this i'm not i'm not like i
was back then but i will say this is more competitive yeah because you would not tell me you weren't okay yeah and i just said jay you look a little no i'm good i'm good let's keep going and there were three of us and you didn't want to be the one person falling
out and then finally excuse me um finally you literally sat down on the ground and you're like i'm not okay and you just you say i'm gonna go to the bathroom and you disappeared for a good 45 hours yeah literally i was i was puking like anything but it was just
yeah it was yeah i've always had that spirit of wanting to see how far i can go and when i did that as a monk there were experiences that broke me because we were doing crazy fasts crazy meditations and all it brought me back to was the realization that i wasn't superman
yeah and and i think that that's what i'm hearing from what i'm hearing you say too is the idea of like no matter how able you are and how capable you are and the boundaries that you push we all still have and you're going to fall again correct
i'm having this learning and having this epiphany i'm gonna break again yeah you know and and this time i have tools to put my hand on my chest and say we all suffer the world is filled with suffering give yourself some self compassion yeah
you know and and give it to others and um it's it's been a beautiful thing and i i credit some amazing people in my life who really pushed me to go there um and you know when you go there there's also sadness you know realizing how many things you missed because you
were planning for something in the future how many times you weren't present because you thought you had to protect something that you already had you know and i i'm just grateful i'm not going to spend another 39 years not knowing these things yeah and i look forward to
every five years telling you another level of learning yeah yeah um it has to be that way you know and i and i weirdly like the falls are where the greatest learnings are a thousand percent thousand percent and that's and that's the problem right what you just said
about missing a day over workout and then it ends up missing four days it's the same when we go okay well now i'm not gonna fall because i found a new place of enlightenment and what we don't realize is again like you said it may not be every five days
but every three or four years there's going to be another moment of revelation and when you keep thinking oh no no this time i've got it that's that's where the mistake is made is like oh this time it's not going to happen but tell me about what does it take because
i remember you discussing the hoffman project with me uh when we first met and you were like oh i think you're going to this etc i want to know a bit more about the process of huffman so that everyone can be exposed to and understand a bit more as much as they can but also like what
does it take for someone like you to go in that direction like what does it take what happened what's going on in order to urge you and encouraging you it's not as significant yeah yeah it's not no it wasn't like you know it was funny when i went i started
my wife and i started hearing all kinds of rumors of he's gone crazy and they said like because i was away and you know all kinds of weird things but it wasn't that it was just feeling like i wasn't present in my life yeah and feeling like the people around
me who love me i felt they're hurt because one we're all coming in with our own trauma and weirdly our trauma was matching up and i couldn't fix it i'm a fixer you know i'm the guy who since i was a kid i'm going to make it be okay for everybody and
there was this j i just couldn't fix things in this moment in time and suddenly because i couldn't fix things i started to spiral i i started to literally lean more into my negative patterns because of wanting to control things because i couldn't fix things
and my heart was in the best place i wanted everything to be okay and everyone would be happy but i couldn't get everything in the right place and i'd been playing that chess game for so long and the board was getting away from me and suddenly i realized a very dark thought
came into my head the ultimate i'm not enough the ultimate i shouldn't be here and that's not me yeah and when that thought entered my mind i said what are you doing here i was like whoa that i've never gone that dark yeah and i signed up for the hoffman process the
next day why hoffman tell us a bit about it for anyone who doesn't know because i i think i love giving credit where it's due to places and started started by a guy named bob hoffman in the united states there's one in the napa area and there's one in connecticut
um amazing woman named liza was the one who is one of the co-ceos with her husband and it's a non-profit it's just amazing process that really delves into spirituality delves into early childhood delves into your trauma your patterns um
and you give yourself over for basically seven days no phone no no phone no email no even to your kids no working out no book no nothing and writing there's a lot of writing what i will say to you is i don't want to go into what processes because it's important whoever does it
does that is surprised but what was interesting is i started i had certain people you know what you need you need to go to hoffman and i had canceled four times and it was always a reason i'm not gonna go to this i don't need this like i'm busy
and one of my friends who's one of the most brilliant friends i have um he said to me when i went in i went in to manipulate it so i can come out and show the people i love look i did this aren't you proud of me because someone that you know he loved it done it and he
looked at me and he said you can't manipulate this and i was fascinated that he said that because he's such a smart guy and i'm like what could they really do in a week and he said it's going to be the most remarkable experience of your life and my other friend penny had said it to
me and you know and i um i decided i'm gonna go and it felt like i was it was gone for a year almost you know and i really gave myself over to this process and made really amazing friendships i wasn't like sharing you share feelings and you know different things and
i opened up in a way that i never expected and i laugh now because i look back at the timeline of when we did things because i had this workbook and i realized that day two i remember having such an intimate conversation with my teacher and i
thought that must have been day five it was day two you know and we went in deep sleep yeah i went in deep and um i uncovered a lot of things and i realized a lot of things about myself about my patterns about forgiveness for myself understanding of things forgiveness of others
and and i was just eternally grateful it was interesting is when i came out i had this oh i'm so happy i'm so in love with life and myself in the world and people and i came back and i entered a lot of darkness um and and the tools that i got at hoffman
allowed me to understand that the darkness was because that's what god wanted me to have that's what there were lessons that i needed to learn i'd now be given these tools and there was no darkness there was an opportunity to learn there was an opportunity
to go deeper every single day and i always found that when i was doing my meditations the biggest revelations were my deepest breaths my longest deepest breaths i'd have the deepest revelations and i in one of my meditations i realized that's life
i've been going around taking these quick breaths treating my life that way and i wasn't slowing down enough in life to take a deep breath and let it come to me um and and that is that just comes down to you know self-forgiveness and yeah you know and a lot of uh
a lot of beautiful things and i'm really grateful to you know the people i will never say who i was there with because they don't do that and no one has ever said i was there this is actually the first time i publicly said that i was there
um and it was a very cool thing i'm very grateful and and now sharing this there's so many other people who come to me of like their things of self work that they've done yeah and they're like you should try this and try this and it's it's just a very exciting place to be
and i can tell you the greatest gift of all is for my children you know i i was a good dad before i loved my kids i would come home every night and put them to sleep and you know and i'm married to super mom um she's awesome and i am present with my children in a way
that i didn't know possible before and i think that's the greatest thing hoffman gave me it's it's so it's so beautiful listening to someone have that experience like i could sit here and just listen to you all day because it's it is it it's so gratifying to the
soul like on a much more deeper spiritual level to hear someone having that experience and and doing that work and how does that and i do want to talk a bit about career on this on this level of frequency because what i'm fascinated by and i think this is
what people often don't see as symbiotic is how spiritual insight leads to spiritual career practice how does how does someone like you take this very profound experience and work and by the way having known you for a few years like i know that this wasn't just seven days of
work this is years and years and years again there's a lot of leading ups yeah exactly in seven days where the seven days like accelerates and yeah like really makes it powerful and meaningful but you've been doing this for a while and
thinking about these things for a while how does that then manifest in your work how do you take this energy is it how you're dealing with people is it how you're creating stuff how does someone do that because i think a lot of people even i get asked this question a lot
is like they see spirituality and business is like almost separate yeah i completely disagree yes insane you know the other thing i i want to point out because i've been thinking a lot about this is that the same way i said that i believe you get the lessons when you're supposed to
get them i believe you're supposed to i don't think i should have had this mentality in the beginning of my career i think that i'm exactly where i'm supposed to be the universe wants me to be exactly where i am so things i needed to be a certain way
at certain points to learn those things for those things to happen and now this is where i am at 39 and this is where i needed to learn and now you know i'm i'm having a different kind of grace i'm having a different kind of empathy i'm understanding to let go and
allow people to have their process in their journey in a different way because i'm understanding my own in a different way i'm i'm not having this need to justify you know there's times where i'm i'm seeing how i'm like well they're they're seeing my growth as like
oh he got there and i'm sitting there like well you haven't got there either and i'm i'm smiling to myself because it's not my place to say that because it wasn't their place to say it to me you know and i'm i'm here to you know it's almost funny we talk about
different religions you and i and i'm jewish you know i've grown up in a christian society and i've gotten to a place also where understanding i don't want to live my judaism and fear you know thousands of years of persecution gave us strength but also a lot of fear
and telling us we can't go near something yet you know moses married zipporah who was not jewish and when he brought her to his people and he said she loves me and everything no one questioned that just years of assimilation and losing identity cause us to have a tremendous
amount of fear and i don't want to live with that fear anymore i want to explore other spiritualities and be true to myself and my own you know i'm not afraid to hear the wisdom of another spirituality so you know my friend he was giving a
sermon he's christian and i listened and i thought it was beautiful he was saying in the book of matthew it's not about saying it and teaching it it's about living it and letting someone else see it and i've now seen that you know we've
talked about it within your religion and i i'm trying to get to that place of like i don't have all the answers i'm figuring it out every single day i am as flawed as they get yeah you know but i'm just gonna try to live my best self yeah you know and you know last night i
did a clubhouse talk with demi and um she became my client over the past year yeah and she's been through a lot we had this amazing documentary coming out absolutely and she and i were talking about her whole career every time she faltered she has the
strength to get back up and people call her a role model and she's like i'm just afraid because it's just too much perfection to live in and then i always crash and she started to do interviews for this new element she's like i want to be a role model and
i called her up and said what are you doing i said you're giving yourself that same sense self you know perfection that caused you to fall before i said we got to change the word and i thought about my brother adam who has a non-profit called pencil promise and he told me
i don't want to be called nonprofit i want to be called for purpose i don't want to say what we don't do i want to say what we do totally and i said to demi stop calling yourself a role model let's go with real model you're a real person and you are flawed
and you are imperfect and you are honest and you don't have to be perfect ever again and we like that and that's how she's saying now yeah and i think if we start treating ourselves and others with this same sense of it's why i hate cancer culture i mean i understand we all have a lot of
pain but if we don't give people an opportunity for growth what are we doing we're just giving the next generation the same pain you know and i and it's a hard thing to ask people it's a hard thing to ask when you've been abused when you've been persecuted
when you've been mistreated to love your neighbor yeah you know that's a very tall order and and i don't think it's my right to tell someone to do it but i can choose to start doing it in my own life and i can tell you it's hard yeah it's hard and i falter and i
stumble sometimes and i i said to my wife just the other day i said hey i caught myself the other day i was upset with someone on how they treated me so i made a comment to you that wasn't the kindest comment about them you know it wasn't awful
but i just wasn't giving them their credit because i was upset about something that happened to me i said if you catch me doing that can you just if you notice it just tell me to stay in my heart and she was like i got you and i think that's what i'm trying to do i'm
trying to stay there yeah and that's that accountability culture like you know you have someone in your life that you're being accountable to your wife in this example and like that feeling of we do need accountability we want to be accountable to ourselves to
the people we love the people that are important and i just want to point out i don't if you notice how perfect it was that you said the real and role models thing two-pack said we need real models not role models and i'm looking at him i'm looking at you and i'm like i'll
take my shirt off yeah show me the more love but but it's so that's such a beautiful point and and you know i i want to share this because we talked about this and i and i struggle with that so me and my wife when we talk about relationships
we talk about our mistakes if you listen to our podcast she's been my guest three times every year we do an episode together and we talk about everything we get wrong and the number one comment will be hashtag relationship goals or the number one comment would be like
hashtag cutest couple or whatever it is and my comment back would be please listen to what i'm saying and so what i find is that we've been conditioned and programmed to want someone to be perfect yeah demi you justin uh you know whoever uh me and my wife no one is
perfect none of us have perhaps you and i talked once i said um we're we're made to serve not to be worshipped because no one can live up to worship no one apart from god god that's it yeah you know worship god serve each other yes i love that that thought is is perfect
and beautiful but that's what i mean that because we've been conditioned to want to worship humans we direct that worship into an athlete into a singer into a teacher into a guide whoever it is but it's a shame that even when you have someone opening
up and saying what it's actually like our programming up here is so strong that we still project perfection so now the new trend is before it was if you were flawless or at least presented yourself as flawless that was considered worship worthy today
now it's the opposite if someone's really vulnerable that's worship worthy but the point is what you just said is let's move away from worship completely and let's just serve and support each other i want to say two things yes one is about you and one's about me okay
um it's good we're both in the room i'm gonna go with you first just because and then i can end on me so you don't feel bad a little over a year ago you called me and you said can we go for a walk and we went for a walk and i said this is the unfortunate thing
that we do to each other we get to this place where we just want to tear each other down and there's that line in batman where they say you know if you do it you know well long i forgot the line perfectly but it's like if you do it well long it
right if you do something long enough you two could be the villain yeah i know exactly what i mean yeah it's okay let me find it it's a good line it's i think i think uh heath said it as the joker you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself
become a villain yeah there you go yeah yep and and and that's so spot on and what we do to each other and for me i i recently watched um the uh queen's gambit special the show on netflix which was fantastic and i had coming out of hoffman and seeing that i just had this epiphany
that i had been this chess player my whole life i had stared at the board and people would come and show me attention and affection because of my skills on that board so i thought oh that's love so i'm going to keep playing this game and people said wow you're really good
at this you're smart you look at the career you're building look at the life you're building the chess pieces are moving and moving and moving and moving but i never took the time to stop take a breath and say hey i'm really good at this game
if you ever want to talk about it i'm happy to but my name is scott nice to meet you until now and so many people that loved me didn't know me that's where the darkness was coming from because i don't feel like i've changed i feel like i've reclaimed myself
[Music] and that was the gift of this year you know i and i've had so many friends oh they're such a change i shaved because when i was doing a meditation i saw the spiritual version of myself that i wanted to be i didn't have a beard and i literally
shaved that night and i haven't had a beard since yeah and i feel good because i went back and got me you know and and i love the person that i was all these years and that's a part of me i just reclaimed the rest of me and i was relying too much on one side of the
body i went and got the rest and now i'm walking in a straight line and not putting so much pressure on my right foot yeah you know um that must feel good it does and i have this teacher now who literally i will lay out things that have been done to me that are very anyone
else would be like and he looks at me and goes what role did you play yeah and it's an interesting thing because you go through life just learning yeah and you know i think that's why you know i i would look and people think god well god forgave me and i'd get
frustrated growing up because i'd be like you're just making an excuse using god yeah but i actually now realize why was i frustrated that they felt forgiven yeah that was my stuff i'm angry that they felt forgiving because i hadn't forgiven myself for something
yes you know and and i had my own work to do and i was projecting my stuff on them yeah and the truth is if we can all get to a place if god sees everything that we're doing he sees our messy because we're all messy but he loves our messi if we can get to a place we start to
love each other in the messy that's when you start to feel really loved you know i started to love myself in the messy now i'm loving other people in my life in the messy and that's real love it's it's not it's easy to love somebody when they're
showing up for you all the time yeah it's easy to love someone when they're good when they're doing good and they're giving you this ideal of perfection that makes you feel good you know or not even perfection they just make you feel good it's so much harder to love somebody
when they disappoint you yeah you know and what i've started to realize is through my own actions if someone's disappointed me or when i've disappointed someone else it's because i'm really disappointed in myself i'm projecting it on to somebody
and that's where that empathy comes from and you and i could talk about this for hours and and i'm the first one to say i'm scratching the surface of this yeah i'm just figuring it out i'm screwing up on a daily basis and i'm just starting to really give
myself empathy for the first time yeah and i'm excited about it i'm excited to learn i'm excited to dig in and i'm excited to be present yeah i'm excited to have long conversations with people and like look them in their eyes like i'm looking you and your gorgeous
eyes there um but i'm i've always been i want to honor you because i've always been grateful that you and i have had these conversations yeah me too i mean it's been big for me because i think for me too it's like you don't you don't you know when when things are
changing and moving and growing fast and you're not even aware of half the things and i mean you do a million things and so and that's and that's partly the mistake also because you start recognizing oh well if i'm not aware or if i'm not conscious of everything
i'm doing then maybe i do need to slow down maybe i do need to change something maybe i do need to find the right people to be around me and and it all comes back to everything is trying to remind you to be conscious to be awake to not try and get away with being asleep
like everything's trying to wake you up all the time whereas we want to go to sleep in some areas of our life you know like you want to be able to just let go of this thing here over here it's so exciting yeah it is when you start to have these discoveries within
yourself that you want to share so it's almost like hey the thing you've been learning the most when you're not talking you know so it's like this dichotomy and then there's that grace of just like it's okay yeah i don't have to be so hard on
myself if i'm excited today yeah maybe i'm gonna over talk that's okay tomorrow i can be quiet well this is an interview with you yeah but i'm just saying like it's it's that it's giving yourself that grace of like and that that's another pattern like as a kid like
you know you dim your light a little bit like oh you're being too loud and getting to a place in your life where you know when you're when your child is running in front of you and they're being louder they you're not holding a grudge against your child
we hold these grudges as adults against ourselves and each other but when we watch children play they move on so quickly and i wish we can get back to a little bit of that you know within ourselves it's you know even today i found myself just now being like oh you're talking
too much and then maybe i am but that's okay you know give myself a little bit of grace like that's okay and you know what i can shut up too and like there's no right or wrong here it's two friends having a conversation and a bunch of people listening
yeah and everyone's gonna have a different reaction yeah and that's okay yeah what does compassion mean when we say being compassionate with ourselves it means to change your behavior enough so that you've shown that you've learned but it means to love yourself
as you're growing and changing that which is confusing it's confusing but that's what it means because when people hear the word compassion they think oh you're just being soft on yourself like oh oh you're not judging yourself which means you're not holding yourself
accountable but being compassionate means i know i need to change my behavior i'm gonna start doing that but i'm gonna love myself while i do that and i think it's i love that you said that because let's take it a step further let's go back to that workout yeah
right if i'm actually being compassionate myself i'll get back on it the next day yes you know it's we act as if we're especially with cancer culture we move in such a finite way we don't think long term we don't think in judging our lives we judge in the
moment and then we judge moments later you know so it's the compassion to me is allow yourself to understand you're just in a moment in a very long story yeah you know and your story is not written yet you're just writing part of it right now and
a great story is never stagnant yeah so how would your teachers tell you to treat each moment like how do they how do they say to go about it because the one thing i'm working on is well you still have to show up you still have to show up to every moment but how do your teachers tell you
to show up to each moment how do they tell you to treat it mentally as you go into it the biggest mantra that was stated at the start of a moment was don't judge the moment as soon as you label a moment it now gets labeled in that jar or that box or
that filing cabinet and covered and then now you never reflect on whether that label was right or wrong so just b so just b because if you label it's it's the labeling type the mind wants to label things to make it simpler that was good experience that was a bad
experience that was a good taco that was a bad taco that was a good restaurant it's a bad restaurant but as soon as you label it you now don't allow that to become anything else what if that restaurant evolves so the idea of labeling simplifies for the mind but actually
makes the long-term complex so the idea is instead of labeling allow yourself to experience allow yourself to re-experience and then if multiple experiences obviously give you the same experience then you may put a label in pencil but you're
penciling labeling you're not putting like a permanent marker you know it's funny my teacher uses the word be curious yeah exactly you know it's it's not be definitive yes you know be curious yes exactly and but i want to play this game with you a little bit
i want to challenge you a little bit i love it only because i want people listening your podcast to hear you respond to this stuff because i think you're brilliant about this for those people who are listening to this podcast saying okay i get all this like
you know growth and learning and everything else but covet's been hard and i've i don't have a job right now and i can't pay my bills and i've looked up who scooter braun is and this guy financially he's not the same place as me and he's out of touch and he
can talk about all the spiritual learning but he doesn't know what i'm going through they're right they're right i do not know their experience i don't know anyone else's experience i only know my own but what i wanted to ask you is what is your response to someone
who is saying this is easy to talk about but what about in this capitalistic society that i live in if i'm doing all this i i think i need to kind of just bury my head in the sand and just work work work work work i don't have time for feelings and relationship i need to
get this money because i've gone on this new app clubhouse many times yeah yeah and i go into these rooms and i hear everybody talking about get this money get this money how do i get to the top how do i do this how do i do that and every time i go in a room i keep
trying to stay the top of the mountain isn't what you expect so i wanted to kind of push you on that because you have extraordinary people who are living extraordinary lives coming on here and there are a lot of people out there and i was once in
you know certain positions but i'm not in that position right now and i'm sensitive to that and i'm compassionate to that what do you tell somebody who says this is all nice and everything but i don't get i don't have that liberty yeah so the first thing i'd say is
that we all get to choose what our intention right now in life is and if that's the intention that makes you happy and suits you that's fine like i wouldn't even i don't even want to edit it i don't want to convince you of anything because i remember being in a similar position
myself not so long back a few years ago and i know that i had an intention to make a choice at the same time i would say to them if you're open to the idea that there is a better smarter more fulfilling way to go about making money building a business
finding your way to the top whatever you want to call it then this is that path and if you're open to that then what you're hearing from scooter but again what i loved you said and you actually made this really clear there was a mindset you've got to this at the right time for
you yeah which i'm remembering because that means that that person whoever saying that is going to get to this i've i don't know anyone who i meet who doesn't get to this whether they're a billionaire or whether they just started out i was lucky enough
to get here 18 when i met my monk teachers this is the stuff i was talking about at 18 years old because that's what i was given in this life and there are some people that i've met that take until 70 to get it some people are in their 30s and the
point is that you are gonna have to get here at some point everyone's gonna have to get to this point and you need the context from before correct and that's what might i just do whatever you do intentionally that's my teacher said to me he goes you're exactly where you're
supposed to be and it's you know coretta scott king said each generation has to fight the fight all over again yes you know it all of us none of us get out unscathed and all of us get the blessing of the journey yeah you know and i was thinking about
you know the this the teaching we all get in our judeo-christian society of adam and eve and this idea that we sinned and we were cast out yeah we were punished we were punished we were cast out we realized we were nude we were ashamed that's why we started wearing clothes
all this different stuff and i started thinking about that as a parent because we're all god's children so i was like well let me rephrase this in my mind when i give my child a consequence or a punishment i don't do it because i'm mad at them yeah
i do it because i love them and i'm trying to guide them to an important lesson yeah and i realized that my idea of this idea that the original sin took place was wrong yeah i believe that all of us because god loves us and wants us to learn
are given the gift of life and the gift of struggle yeah and the gift of being cast out so that we can go and get the context we need to appreciate the garden of eden the heaven yeah so spirituality the enlightenment and it's been an exciting way to look at things now yeah that
everything that's why i loved reading many lives many masters because when i kind of realized that a lot of major religions in spirituality actually all believe me believe in reincarnation kabbalah talks about reincarnation a lot of major religions talk about
reincarnation in their spirituality practices and when you read this book which is a true story and you kind of understand that if you just kind of accept that you get to come back and you're always learning yeah you start to not fear death anymore and you start to
realize this is going to be hard there are days my heart's going to ache there are days i'm not going to want i feel like i can't breathe because i'm hurting but all of those feelings all of that is helping us learn things and give us context for greater lessons
yeah and i'm in it and i'm excited and i know that the funny part is i've come to terms the fact of like oh i'm not here to have this great life i love my life and i'm grateful and i'm gonna like i've told you you know i'm gonna keep pouring my glass
in other people's glasses yeah but i think the thing i'm most thrilled about is now i understand that pain is coming happiness is coming joy is coming heartache is coming when i least expect it because the fact that i wake up every morning and i'm
still breathing means that there's something else for me to learn i kind of take some joy in that now yeah but see this but oh wow what you just said it that when you just said at the end that last day when you said but i take joy in that now that was this sounds
intense but it's actually beautiful and that's where the joy part comes in so when we were trained the scripture would say that life is about education not enjoyment like life's about enlightenment not enjoyment now what i mean by that is the
joy of learning is the joy of life but we are seeking enjoyment through the temporary pleasure through the external satisfaction through the quick win through the top through the mountain whatever it may be and as soon as you switch that so every area you walk
if you walked into every room today and you went in there and said how can i learn from it and how can i serve in it versus how can i enjoy this moment i love that that's the difference i love that we walk into every room going how can i enjoy this you see a woman or a man you
go how can i enjoy them you see a house how can i enjoy this you know it's funny i'm thinking to myself where's the struggle the struggle is when i haven't learned the lesson from the last room and i'm still stuck on that lesson and i got to walk into the next room
yeah and that's where you start to get in a vicious cycle and you know it's like you start to falter give yourself that grace of hey let's slow down let's take that big deep breath yeah let's reset it's why you know when you you went on that trip
together you guys were waking up every morning and meditating yeah and i was like oh i've learned tm i now meditate every morning yeah and it has changed my life yes and you know what let me rephrase that i try to meditate every morning there are days that i miss
and now i give myself the grace of i'll get back on it tomorrow or maybe i'll do a quick one tonight yeah you know i'm not oh i meditate every day yeah you know it's i i enjoy meditating i like what it does for me and i'm if i miss one i give myself that
grace and i get back on the you know horse tomorrow yeah but that's what i mean that that that the joy like people go well then where's the fun in life if i'm always learning where's the fun the learning is the fun part like when you come into a new place and like your
teacher said you're curious like when you came in here you were like looking at the quotes yeah the people you're not trying to enjoy the art you're like curious and you want to learn that is the fun of childlike that's childlike exactly where a childish mentality is to enjoy
well you know it's funny as i started diving into all the different major religions yeah there's a quote in almost every major religion that talks about god if you like they ask jesus they say show me you know show me god and he says look at the
child yeah and in judaism they say it in hindu they say like all these different every religion you'll find something that points to the child yeah and the innocence of the child and the love the child has and you know for me i talked to um someone who actually went
to hoffman after me and you know this person hit me up and they were like i'm losing the high life is pulling me back in i'm getting depressed i'm losing the high that i had three weeks ago when i got out how do i get it back and i said i don't know if i'm right
but i'll try and answer this question and the way i'm gonna answer it i don't know if you're gonna like i said you got a high because you dealt with your worst demons and then you gave yourself forgiveness and you learned [Music] if you want to get that high again stop
looking for the happiness look for the resistance look for the lessons and the resistance and when you have the epiphany again you'll get that high back yeah and that's that's exactly the point i'm making is that we're looking for the high
in life constantly we're looking for the enjoyment we're looking for that uh release that that fun moment but you got that experience from the work yeah right and and that's such a beautiful way of looking at it tell me about some of the projects that you're working
on right now that excite you the most that you feel like are allowing you to love more some of these could be i know sp projects media work but it also could be some of the philanthropy work that you're doing that behind the scenes some of the work that
you feel so excited and proud of because i also want to give you an opportunity as i want everyone who's listening to have the opportunity to celebrate the stuff that they're excited about because again you'll dim your own light so i'm going to ask you to brag about what
you're doing nice i appreciate that but it's it's it's weird because of where i am right now service based yeah but even service based i mean i am having the most joy out of watching people that i supported have their own wins weirdly that is my biggest joy right now
watching justin bieber take ownership of this album the way he has ownership of the performances the way he has ownership of his decision making the way he has this is the most hands-on he's ever been in his career this is the most he's fought
to push back on all of us to say i got this and i told the other day proud is not the word i respect it i respect it so much i'm so happy to see where ariana is in her personal life in her decision-making in her choosing to face so much trauma she's been through publicly
um and be the person that she is i'm grateful watching this demi documentary like i'm blown away by her you know i can't wait to see it you know i am andrew watt just one producer of the year i know the year and a half that he's had and for him to come out the other side
and then tell me the grammy was amazing but the work i'm doing on myself has been the greatest reward i mean i'm really proud of a lot of people in my professional life and then i'm really proud of the people in my personal life because i'm seeing them do the same
thing so it's weird like the accolades for me aren't necessarily the fact that i'm moving the chess pieces i did that for a really long time it's that i'm seeing all these other people who've been around me in my life and i'm looking over at their chessboard and i'm
admiring their game yeah you know i'm admiring their game and i'm admiring who they are and i'm admiring who they're showing up to be and i'm just admiring their journey um and i'm not passing judgment i'm just enjoying watching i'm curious
yeah you know and to me the funny thing is in the last six months since i've let go more commercially i think i've had more success than i've ever had in my life because i'm trusting and i think there's a weird reward in trusting the universe because i'm i'm finding that joy and
things have not been easy at times um [Music] but i'm leaning into those uneasy times and saying where what is this resistance like why am i hurting what does that really mean what is there for me to learn there and i'm doing that as often as i possibly
can that's what i'm celebrating that's what i'm excited about i'm getting to a deeper place and i'm hoping that my friends like you hold me accountable in six months when i start getting out of that yeah and remind me of this and say are you doing your meditations have a
little you know self-compassion that you've missed a bunch now you're giving me permission to do that yeah i want that because i think that's what friends are for right if you give them permission yeah i give you full permission to keep me accountable to make me
continue to learn the same way i said to my wife tell me to get back in my heart you know like and and i think we all should be that for each other but not in a judgmental way yeah i'll probably reach out and say let's meditate together yeah sure that's what i'll do so
i'm accountable too yeah because yeah it's yeah it's i i like i said i've always been grateful for our friendship i've been grateful knowing that i have a friend who's as spiritual as you are and enjoys the conversations of spirituality um because it allows
you push me and you inspire me and i'm grateful for this friendship well you're the same man i i feel like the way you've opened up today and and this is what i'd like this is what i try and do on this podcast everyone who's been listening or watching
for me i like learning about the full human so when i sit down with someone i'm not seeing them as an athlete or a manager or a artist or i'm seeing you as a complete spiritual being and i want to hear that story so when you're listening to this whoever's listening or watching listen
to that story with every one of our episodes and this one included as well because it's so easy to listen to interviews these days and people pick out the one little thing and then it that becomes the meme and the whatever it is and it's like but you
missed the point of the whole conversation like again what we've been encouraging for our own selves as well just as if you don't give someone else the permission to have context we are blocking ourselves from having context of our own self yeah and that's the biggest thing i've
learned from today hearing you say it which reaffirms my belief of the understanding that if you're not giving someone a chance to explain express be curious make mistakes then you're basically blocking yourself from doing the same thing
i agree and and the more permission you give everyone to do that the more you give yourself permission to say what was my role yeah i love that what was my role because i think that's where it starts if you can forgive yourself yeah for something you might not even
recognize yeah then it's much easier yeah you asked me what happened earlier and i i was thinking about that just now like you know is there a specific thing that happened yeah you know what happened my wife yale and my children i learned i love somebody more than me
and loving them made me go do the work so what happened is they were the greatest gift of my life and for that i'm internally grateful and i want each of them to have their own individual process in their own individual journey yeah you know and i want them to know
that i love them and they're messy yeah you know and and uh and i'm just grateful for them that's it yeah i love that man and and i'm so grateful to you i want to say it back to you because you know when i've gone through my tough times you really get to see who's
shows up for you especially when they're a newer friend or someone you're just getting to know and and when you've stuck by me and and supported me not in a we've never had a relationship it's not just like oh yeah we're boys like it's
not like that it's let's look in the mirror what work have you got to do what do you need to work on what where are you what is your role in this like that friendship i think is so special and then feeling support from that again loving your friends through growth
loving yourself through growth making sure that you know you need to change but you love someone through that change uh scooter we end every interview with the final five which are the rapid fire fast five questions so you have to answer in one
word or one sentence maximum let's go i am judging you on you if you talk to you and i will and i will ask i will ask you to expand when i get intrigued all right so starting with your first question you ready all right the first question is what's
the best advice you've ever received um david geffen told me that well first it's love more but really he what comes to mind david geffen told me that in a hundred if you don't know he is look him up he said in a hundred years no one's gonna remember me so they sure as hell
won't remember you don't have an ego and i loved it that is great piece of advice all right second question what's the worst piece of advice you've ever received i think as a kid you're told it's your fault and you start to believe oh i'm a bad kid i deserve that
and i think that was the wrong advice beautiful man all right number three uh something that you are pretty sure and confident about but other people don't quite wrap their head around yet um that bitcoin will eventually be worth 500 000. do you think it's gonna i think long
term yeah yes i i believe in bitcoin long term and there's a lot of people who don't believe in it but i believe in bitcoin long term okay all right well we didn't even talk about that so now bitcoin followers which i don't think i have a lot of
uh don't we we'll figure it out all right uh we'll talk any business which is a lot of fun for me yeah we didn't talk any business because that's not my thing well also and also look you know this 90 of what i do in business people don't even know which is the way i like it so
let's keep going well no for me it was just the reason why we didn't talk about business is because when i started the podcast it was all about what can i talk to people about that no one else can do that's also you and i don't have that relationship nor should we yeah
we have a real relationship it's not about business it's about the person in front of you totally and and also just like you you're prolific you can talk about so many different things in so many different places but this we're going to talk about it
like you know this is also fun for me because you have treated me the way i actually want to treat myself like i told you about the chess board of raising my head up and saying hi nice to meet you i'm good at this i remember one time you called me and you
said hey i don't want to over ask but like we're friends and you know i'm trying to think about investing if you have any advice ever and that was great because i i love that i want to be able to help a friend and if i'm good at something i want to
be able to offer that but you've always looked across the table and said hi i'm jay hi scott scooter you know nice to meet you like let's be friends and i that's why i love this conversation but sorry go back to your rapid fire rapid fire no no no no we got two yeah
this is the worst rapid fire yeah let's get back all right last two questions four and five um oh now now i'm like i've got two questions left for you what do i ask you i know what the fifth one is uh you're gonna have three more because
i've done a poor job with the other ones no no see if we can go you've actually given beautiful answers i we got distracted of the last one number four something you once chased and no longer care about recognition and fifth and final question if you could create
one law that everyone in the world had to follow what would it be love more beautiful scooter braun thank you man thank you so special this is this goes down as one of the most beautiful open conversations well let's end it right scott scooter bronx now you
know all of me buddy so now i call you scott from now on call me scott scooter whatever you want but but now it's yeah all of me is here i wouldn't do that and i i got to tell you i'm so grateful we did this and i'm so grateful for your friendship
and uh i'm just proud of you as a friend for the message you delivered to the world thank you man and i'm proud of you for having the courage to always be open and vulnerable and honest and live your truth and for doing the work when externally you don't need to
uh you know that's the hardest part when when actually like you said you could convince yourself to not do the work because things are good um we're if we're breathing it means we got work to do absolutely thank you man thank you thank you love you buddy that's awesome man
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