my brothers are really sort of like direct they're like you might need some help in them drums like where's the Bas where's the Bas sometimes you know and I'm like that's the most brotherly question I've ever heard in relation to music is brav where's the [Music] Bas it's so rare when you get to hear an album that's so full of beautiful
creativity ideas that it's able to maintain some kind of center of s sometimes creativity can just be a distraction even to like the core of what an artist is trying to say it's like there so much I can do here and yet somehow on this album eight you've been able to put so much into it um thoughts feelings creativity and there is this prevailing soul in the middle of this
that's you it's just such a profound experience hearing this album for the first time and it gets more profound by the day so heartfelt thank you for making this album sent for and it's great to see you oh pleasure no thank you man appreciate that I don't know if do intros but that one had to be said the anticipation was so huge in my
house you're one of the few others we can all agree on in my house me my wife and our kids we all have different opinions but you definitely um bring us together and I know that's the the case for many people I know um were very excited about knowing that this album is coming did you Tu yourself away from all that did you allow yourself to immerse
to to to move with the anticipation of it and be as excited in your own way as we were I can't I think I like dipped in and out so there was times where I like totally just shut myself off but then naturally just like you know coming across people and people like asking do you still make music do you still make music I'm like oh no I need to do
something about this but um yeah I mean I definitely you know especially building up to the release of the record you know I felt I felt something and I could feel the love and people like wanted me to release new music which was which was nice oh my gosh we've missed you and um you know it's not that you're not around but it's different when you
turn with something substantial um how does it feel when you finish an album because as I said you you clearly go through such a process of getting it to a place where you you feel comfortable letting it go yeah there's no such thing as artistic Perfection right but at the end of the day you got to a point where you could leave it and give it to us is
that a feeling of relief is there a bit of melancholy to that because it's it's it's been such a process for you that what do I do now it's a strange uh like emotion cuz when I did finish it even through like listening to it again and showing people I kept learning new things about a record that I've made which is it's just a strange feeling cuz
then in that in that sense it feels a little bit beyond me to a certain degree um so yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't call it like Melancholy but I definitely was like oh I was still figuring it out even though and even like releasing it now sounds different to me again I'm like oh wow now it feels now it feels really like it's it's like I can really let it
go and it feels like but beforehand I was still like oh is this oh what about that sounds I don't know if you have let it go cuz watching you live for the playing this stuff for the first time the other night there are Arrangements which are not faithful to the album yeah no it's true I can't help it I really can't help it but there
there's times when I'm playing things I need to really sort of connect to it so sometimes I need to change something or change a cord or I just have like an idea and there is a point obviously in the record where I just had to stop like putting ideas into songs cuz I was like I think this has enough now but yeah it's funny when you think about a song
from your previous album like piano and I think like that is those chords are soem motive I mean you know you probably don't do this but if you go online on YouTube or whatever the amount of people who are playing their versions of that doing tutorials the cords of that I mean it reached people that song in a very deep way um and yet you've changed the
cordal structure of it and it was beautiful but at first I was like like I took a a deep gasp because I'm so used to to the feeling I got from hearing the recorded version of that um what prompted you just to go back for a second and focus on that rearrangement what prompted you to take that approach that the sort of restlessness of that in a song that is
so beautiful and and direct and to me those chords and that story and that performance are so mared to each other it's almost what have taken courage to say those chords don't aren't going to be when I'm going to play that with anymore yeah it's hard for me to like put my finger on it or like be able to like articulate in wordss but sometimes
those cours have a particular kind of color and a particular sort of feeling that I guess you know just like with any experience things change over time and so at the place where I was when I was like practicing that song for whatever reason in that moment it felt like I needed to change the cord because you know what I'm talking about you know the
the events I guess have Chang my feelings have changed a little bites so so in playing those chord those original chords in way it's like I'm not prepared to take myself back there to that feeling I I think so and it's a strange because those cause as well are kind of cause I wouldn't usually play it was kind of like an unusual um and I guess
I'm more comfortable playing in fact maybe I should challenge myself and play the original well not if it's going to make you feel something that you either are unpre prepared for or have moved on from I I actually really resonate with that sometimes if I'm feeling sad and I'm looking for music there are songs I cannot play
yeah cuz I I'm just ill prepared to go there yeah and I and I sort of drawing a similar comparison to what you're saying I don't know if I'm on the right path yeah I mean there is there is definitely like an element of that and then there's also an element of like for whatever reason this works in this particular sphere like or um something sounds great
live but on the record it's not quite and and some so sometimes it's like I'm always sort of like reconfiguring for like where I am where I am so if I'm in like a a new space or I'm playing things live I'm like this needs to feel I need to be connecting with this here and now as opposed to just trying to recreate what's on the record I love that we
don't talk about that enough it's a rare opportunity to discuss the idea that music can actually be um transformative for you not just for us that it can change shape as you do and not be beholden or try to reconnect to the person you were 5 years ago yeah definitely you didn't do it to too much though I notic you did that that' be a riot that'd be a riot it' be
like and you weren't expecting a minor Riot took place at a SFA show last night because he changed the third cord into much would have been Blasphemous if Drake would have thrown the song away would have been over yeah um well that brings us to this kind of uh this moment in your life this album and um what a just what a different human you
sound like I wouldn't ever pretend to know what you're going through at any given time but based on what I hear and as someone who knows you through your music as a big fan of what you do you've obviously just grown out of some because it's a completely different s for I'm hearing on this album than on the previous one yeah it's it's it's a funny thing because you know like the
way I make music is quite it's not I don't go in with like a concept I kind of just know I want to go into the studio and create something so a lot of it comes from like an intuitive place or place of intuition but um so I feel like it's a snap it's just a snap it's like a snapshot of where I am I feel like process is like a photo of that time and
this also feels like a bit of a kind of Sonic photo of of where I am or where I was at um and I can see that yeah I have moved on a bit yeah no it's it's it's transformative from a listener's point of view I mean most of the time we we we used to that snapshot taking place but it feels like it's um if it's if it's seasonal and the last album was Winter
well naturally this one will be spring but this one feels like winter and summer with no in between Seasons it's do you know what I mean there's like a real shift a real shift and I think about you know I went back and listened to process again after I I discovered this album and listened to this album and um you know so beautiful but at times
so uncomfortable to hear you going through some of those things you know what I mean so honest I mean there's paranoia and a fight going on there and a and a and a like you're really fighting to deal with some pretty heavy stuff can you put into your own words or your own context what that album is to you now that you've made this album and
that you've moved forward in your life like who who are you or who were you when you made that yeah I mean I guess I was going through you know some like once in a lifetime things and you know losing someone who's you know been with me for all my life yeah and you know sort of going through that and having music as a canvas going through that
time and as I say I see it as I always see it as a document because there's some things that really beautiful about you know cuz the worst thing for me sometimes is like forgetting how something feels you know or or be becoming Nal sort of apathetic yeah um so it's for me it's like a beautiful document of like even the tough things I was going through or even you know the
relationships or you know what me and my brothers went through and I you know um I have that as like a reminder and it does even if it does bring off some like difficult emotions I'm happy that it's like it's there yeah you know cuz cuz um it is a bit of like time travel I guess it's like memory um it's like a it's like a memory and it's uh
and and if anything um you know I I still see I still see myself in there obviously you can't Divorce Yourself from those experiences you just learn to live with them yeah process them to to the album's point mhm must testimonial for the people that are in your family as well and for shared experience how does your music relate to your family
how do they how do do you even discuss it does it even come up it's different when it's family and friends it's an unspoken unconditional relationship it's not what you do it's who you are but what you do is a direct reflection of who you are so what's the relationship between your family and and who you are and what you do yeah I mean I've got I've got
four older brothers and I've been quite I mean I've been musical I guess since a young age and they've been really I feel like they're all like super into music and I've got a brother who like plays guitar and is like makes music himself and so yeah they really always been super like encouraging and um you know I've got a brother who's like had super
eclectic taste so he was playing every like he was like The Strokes and then it'll be like Joyce one minute and it'll be Stevie one to the next and it'll be like wuang and then i' got brother like Todd Edwards I mean one of the most important people you could ever have in your life is someone with broad taste yeah yeah you know I took it in as well
you know what I mean I was like from from a young age so we talk a lot on the kind of musical level in terms of like an emotional level and like what the songs are about I don't really talk about I don't howly talk about that with anyone really and there are times but if anything they always like they pull me up like what exactly are you talking
about and they very like um my brothers are really sort of like direct they're like you might need some help in them drums like where's the Bas where's the Bas sometimes you know and I'm like that's the most brotherly question I've ever heard in relation to music is brav where's the bass yeah all all emotions present and accounted for yeah no Bas you're not
going to get me listening to how life is without decent Bas yeah exactly yeah I well you know there a range it was really lovely to hear you pay respect to you know the subtrack part of your life early on in the show and just to give a taste of that I still listen to the work you and Aaron did yeah I love he's gone on and continue to do
what he does same for you but I you know we've never had a conversation like this you I've never had a chance to just spend 30 seconds talking to you about how important that that moment in your life was it wasn't it wasn't necessarily probably the best identity creating work for you on a human level in terms of who you are as an artist as samfa but man it
was a cool era yeah know was pivotal for me it was like the first I feel like he was like we like met each other over my space um God I missed that man not a bad place to make Community yeah that was great I met so many music focused spot where you can like or became music focused but that's really what it was yeah my space was my was my
jam um but yeah no it was great I mean initially when we started making music together it was mostly instrumental but my vocals started creeping in and I feel like he had the vision he could see like like the potential I guess did he have to encourage you to sing he didn't have to encourage me per se but it was like oh maybe we should develop this into or
like write some more like write some more lyrics and he would like cuz cuz I would just naturally just start humming and you know I can't I can't help myself that's why I feature on so many things cuz I get into a space and I just like then I start just I just natur that do that yeah yeah someone will pick up on it but um yeah no we really kind of I
did that was a space where I kind of honed in sort of like songwriting more so and um alongside production you know like and obviously having him as a bit of a mentor you know he would like show me how this how he's able to and d da and he was like you're really open in that sense um and DJing and and playing live and it was the first time I had
like you know songs on radio and you know in the beginning we you know playing live we didn't have anyone with us no sound Engineers no toour manager so all next thing you know you're headlining best ofal a 10 in front of 10,000 people I mean it was a crash course right on on how to on how to do things sort of in an independent way
yeah yeah it was definitely from like Grassroots all the way up thank goodness I mean I hate doing parallel universes but imagine if somebody you if you'd been humming one of those songs in the wrong place and the wrong set of ears heard it and we all make decisions we all sign things we shouldn't have signed and we all you know next thing you're on
a label and you're doing something you know I me God bless you and Aaron for being able to teach each other how to do that yeah no I feel very like fortunate to be like sort of surrounded by people whose you know taste I really respect you know and um I admire and I have you know I I've never felt like I'm doing things that I don't want to do which I
to be honest I find hard to do is like yeah I don't think you could yeah yeah that's why I'm so happy you're here yeah cuz I know that you know no one could have twisted your arm um to to want to talk with me so I'm grateful that you're here um not even Ka not even a homie homie couldn't have even made it happen you were listening to what Aaron
was teaching you about production because you work on on your own music and and what you've done on this album is some of the most amazing sound design and production work I've ever heard oh oh man thank you I think you must have gone crazy because how else are you in the detail like this trying to give give these songs this um breathing life into these
songs whilst also you know kind of maintaining this this really really delicate balance of mix of get in the Basin you know that's a that is a full-time job in itself little alone maintaining the true essence of what you're trying to say yeah definitely it's like constant work and revision and really sort of reentering and thinking about like okay is this hitting me
emotionally what am I saying what is this music saying to me and and that happens on so many different levels whether it's you know like drum programming or turning up a h Hat by a DB or you know the lyrics I'm saying or the flow I'm coming with um and it's all for me it's all about just like like feeling at the end of the day um as much
as it is about you know other stuff more conceptual stuff and sort cerebral things but um yeah it's yeah and I just enjoy it I just enjoy I mean that's my favorite thing to do it's just fun isn't it I mean I think we make a big deal about getting lost in process but isn't that the point yeah I mean it's like literally one of my favorite things
about being alive is being able to like create and discover and you know make music start with stereo color cloud Shaman dream it's um such and I mean this is the highest compliment from my perspective it's such a challenging introduction to the album because the the chords in themselves you have to be really focused to understand where you're going quarterly with it
it's not an obvious sort of flow yeah and then you've got lyrically and performance-wise lots of contrasting conversations and moments going on around all the time so you immediately set the tone that this is not going to be a Verse Chorus Verse Chorus middle Verse Chorus album like there's a lot to be said and a lot of things to dive into
and I feel like there is just like multiple lives or happening at the same time mhm trying to find a common purpose did I get that right yeah definitely like I i' I've write songs or especially on this record from like usually like a few different perspectives and and can I find a place where we all meet somewhere yeah yeah yeah but somehow I'm trying to
make sense of it all or you know they all kind of relate or there's like a thread between everything to make it feel like one but yeah there is times where it's like and even like where I draw inspiration from sometimes is coming from like three different scenarios that's just like blending into one thing um but yeah as yeah you're
totally like on on the ball with like um I guess yeah the C like you know how yeah how the ca is not even for me that's probably the least obvious kind of like um sort of harmonic progression I think oh the first time I heard I I had to lean yeah and I had headphones on and I'm leaning into some imaginary space outside of my headphones to figure out
where you're Landing with this yeah the first time I heard I was like all right I need to hear that again the second time I heard it I felt like like i' known it my whole life yeah was the strangest experience yeah like even for me like playing it and then not playing it and then coming back to having to learn how to play it life I was like [Music]
uh yeah yeah but but but you know that's a relationship that I didn't know I wanted with those Cs and the way that it fits together yeah you know um I just thought it was so brave that you started the album with it you know that you were like hey look I know you I want I'd love you to meet me at the end but we got to get we got to get over this hump first
yeah know was one on I really was like no this is going to be the first track it's amazing yeah what was the song on the album that was the hardest to to make peace with to get into a place of balance I'd probably say like it's either like evidence or what if you hypnotize me yeah I mean toward the end it definitely feels like you're pushing
even yourself on this album yeah yeah um I feel like there's there's like there's some tracks that came together really quick like only um but yeah like suspended suspended as yeah suspended came like right like feels like it feels effortless that was the second to last song I wrote for the album it doesn't surprise me in a weird way having had
lots of conversations about the creative process around albums it sounds like the kind of song that that comes when you're not in the throws of when when you've carved the stone and you've seen the shape and you know that all the waist is properly applied you get to actually get into the loosen up a bit you know yeah yeah no definitely and and I feel like
it's almost like I've done like training it's like was like you've been through you've gone through all the Dojos and then you're like and you're like you've incubated you've been incubating all this time I feel like the process has been incubating incubating incubating and then there's there'll become a moment where it's just like there was a
little like I guess a window of of like creativity that happened and it did feel like ah like I know exactly what I want to do yeah oh it just came out like oh my God sunshine I missed you sunshine oh man it's good to be out here in Regent Park again in sunshine was great um yeah I mean it's definitely has that effect on the record um so let's get
into a few nuts and bolts questions like what was the is can you even put it into a time frame is there a start and an end or was it just an ongoing process do you think of it that way like Loosely there's like a loose start it's like I say it all took about two and a half years m I think not at all surprised um yeah there was a loose start S 2019
somewhere of 2019 where I started I just got a new syn and is it on here yeah yeah it's all over it I just got like a ob6 over and um yeah I think like I made a song that's not on the record but was the beginning of the record um and then like Spirit um yeah and then I was like I feel like the ob6 went crazy in concert the other night I feel like yeah that
was that was your your gift to Spirit was to take us into full Rave mode yeah yeah it was it was um Co cool it was a mixture of that um yeah some op6 and and like some Ms and stuff but um yeah it kind of just started from there like I feel like I always I need to like find a Sonic palette and then I of as opposed to like I you know I sort of got into music more so just like
making beats and stuff and that's that's that's like my main thing asides from me I do play piano and I write songs but generally speaking especially when it comes to the thought of like making a record it comes from like a Sonic pet first all right Mad Hot take here I'm about to like get every songwriter and and crafts person in the songw writing
world are about to come at me hard sitting behind an instrument particular piano and writing a song is beautiful and emotive and important and something that needs to be done most of the time but but it's not fun like making beats oo I mean you know it's not fun like firing up and like pulling stuff in and manipulating things and I'm sorry maybe
it's just me like I love playing piano and everything is beautiful and I can get immersed in it I'm very bad but man like when you get the beats up and stuff it's just I don't know there something just fun about it I mean I couldn't I couldn't I mean I couldn't possibly create a distinction fine fine I'll walk down that road on my own if you're not going
to follow me down that road sitting well and truly the fence right down the middle I'm also reading the comment section of this interview right now getting torn to shreds by everybody who doesn't make beats and plays an instrument you know I will say though hot take number two everybody's so concerned about Ai and this and that and everything else but
you started this album with a new synthesizer and you and you found something that would been made long before you picked it up and played on it and it inspired you MH it comes from the same place it it's to me it's not about getting AI to write songs and put s's name on it that's never going to land cuz it ain't you I'm sorry it's as
simple as that and anyone who tries to find a distinction in that argument is a idiot but we've been using AI Tools in music for a long time well like and like unknowingly do you yeah yeah yeah I mean the whole 80s was built out of sounds that nobody actually made like it wasn't like oh I get to in it was like existed like that that Ario existed yeah
defitely okay there's house music no 100% I think about it a lot of the time like especially like the piano yeah do you I mean like that piece of technology there like what would I be without it to a certain degree you know I'm not a fan obviously from my previous statement yeah there is like this element of like we're not alone we don't
make anything in isolation and it's like right you know from all the bits of like I didn't I didn't invent them I didn't you know the preset sounds that I use or whatever or manipulate all the yeah exactly I didn't build my synthesizes all a collaboration and it's all it's all part of nature really in it's all a part of the the everchanging nature of creativity right
that space yeah and I can you know obviously you can definitely see I can see the concern and there's a lot of validity in the concern but there is also yeah sort of being open to I guess the change and you know using it in a way that feels kind of creatively fulfilling I'm just less concerned as everybody else and maybe this is just
the biggest egg on my face and he is come but I just think that I think that anybody who's going into any technology with the intention of taking someone's identity and sound and making something is not making music they're making content they're making clips for attention or clicks or followers it's it's content just like they're manipulating something but
they're not creating something creativity has a story attached to it I've been dying to talk to you about this album because I love it and I want to know why why you made it not because it got made I got you yeah you know what I mean not cuz it exists exists is nothing like exists all around us I don't have any emotional connection to it yeah what
was the reasoning what led to this point where's the story The Journey where's the what am I going to learn from it yeah definitely I can't learn anything from it if it was made by someone by something and not someone so I when people freak out about where it's going to go for music I just think we're not giving the audience the benefit of the doubt and we're
misunderstanding why people listen to music in the first place there is yeah there's definitely the argument of like sometimes not focusing so much on the on the author but the story yeah to a certain degree but I guess you also on the flip on the flip side yeah there is there's there is an element of I guess both of those arguments music is Magic
music is Excellence it's not a it's not a product we've done a good job of making it a product yeah but it's never made with the intention of being a product and I guess there is the element of like you know it's understandable why people are like protective and and you know it's just it's a natural reaction and you know it's a fair one I think um
for sure and I definitely feel like it's one that should be challenged but not in the sense of like being a one-sided argument by any by any means correct it's I'm definitely not saying let the floodgates open restrictions should be put in because it's people's lives and it's what they do and it's already hard enough to get through and cut through
and make and make it yeah um but yeah I mean I just I'm not worried about the long-term holistic implications to the Artist as a person as a human yeah with a with a story to tell yeah I mean sometimes I'm like focus on on the output you know just like you know like sampling like this we've been through like similar things yeah you know through Through the
Ages even like with instruments and d and you can't tell me that mini ridon who I love yeah and that song which I love is in danger because tribe core Quest turned it into lyrics to go yeah you know like I Love lyrics to go and I love the original and I put them side by side with a open heart and I love both of them for what they became yeah you
know yeah 100% satellite business not just the song but also what's ultimately become you know your concept for this for this particular short run of shows in the round this idea of sort of insulation in a public space right performance but with Community not just me and my friends and all the fans but you and your musicians in the center of the
of the stage is that more a direct reflection on the fact that performance for you is still a learning curve it is partly that yeah definitely and just the kind of anxiety sometimes I feel about performing um and you know um in terms of like the Gaze I guess or the way that I feel like the world has changed so much in in the time that I've been away from the stage in this
particular configuration of like playing my my my music with a full band um so yeah it's just it was kind of like me sort of caveat caveat thing all that creating like a a safe space for all of us cuz I've got like a completely new band also and um you know got some relatively difficult music to try and learn and you know and play and um yeah
just to like remind ourselves that this is like you know a space for expression and not for Perfection and you know which can be a difficult one to sort of take on cuz I'm naturally like I want things to be great and and I want but um but yeah just giving that space like this is a space to feel a sort of element of Freedom or just a like a
reminder cuz there's times in when I'm when we're playing like that like you know like like I guess every musician will know sometimes your your mind just wonderer about just wander off like and you'll even think what am I actually doing here and sometimes you just like reconnecting to you know what you're doing and you know playing with people
and the connection just the purity of it um kind of like a circle are there times when you're overcome by emotion when you're performing songs because of all of that because of all of it the environment the fact that people are there for you the fact the song is found its place on that stage just whatever the chemistry is are there times when it you are not
performing but it's like something else yeah there's definitely moments where I'm like this is feels incredible um and yeah just when feels like everything just just like Alliance um uh especially I have that moment when we play like Spirit yeah I mean that that's like the new center of the whole thing for me there's definitely like a
moment like especially to the end of the track where I feel like oh this feels I love being here I just didn't think you wanted to end yeah exactly yeah that's the feeling I'm like I'm slightly mournful if like well also what's your drummer's name Blake Blake CCO holy he's all right in dude yeah I mean his performance in that I mean the whole
show everyone's on fire but we just got a a special shout out during that song and particular the last three or four minutes of that version of spirit live was I'm not sure I've seen drumming that intuitive but also so in the pocket and not even a pocket I've even heard before yeah yeah yeah no definely new pocket yeah he's trying out new things every
show I can hear him like oh wow that's I wasn't expecting that but yeah no he's great I think everyone gets so preoccupied when watching a drama like that drum when you think it's it's all about the frenetic drum fields and the Machine Gun fields and all that sort of stuff but it's the space he's creating I was watching him play it's like it felt
like he was in slow motion yeah no he's really like respectful to the like to the composition and really sort of knowledgeable about that you know he sort of knows every aspect of the song and like um he's just like he's aiding that on top of you know adding on top of it you already know one of my favorite songs on the record is dancing circles I
love that song um I just love a story about where where you know what was going on that day when you were in the studio putting that together the loop at the beginning MH is so crucial M because it's the foundation upon which you can put whatever emotional Journey you want to put but it starts out being something that's really kind of almost like a 19 mid mid 80s to sort of
early 80s kind of New York sort of ESG it's got a very kind of like street level and that's what it comes up for me and then you just start going somewhere beautiful with it so I just love the dynamic of that song yeah yeah no I get I get that feeling from it as well amongst some other things but yeah it's definitely like that kind of Here
Come Those hairs like it's going to be something's going to happen you know I feel like tension's building and you're so restrained in the arrangement not so much live you know you bring it out pretty quick live but on the album so restrained how was it to was it hard to Wrangle that yeah I mean it was that was a conscious thought like
I like I wanted to write something that felt had a bit more space in it um just in the context of like Runing so much music that had a lot of things in it um so just had that had that um that Loop that I made in like a previous Jam um but then I brought it to I sort of built that song with El grincho um and with the idea of like making something that
has a bit more space to it and sort of freestyled some piano over it and we sort of arranged the song from there yeah I love how you kept the looseness of the plane too you got it off the grid yeah and it was important yeah cuz it felt quite well cuz the loop is so on the grid I'm going to play over yeah yeah yeah and also like the way that you
did I love the story it's just so immersive and I mean I was walking through Soul as I was saying listening to the album probably for the first time and um I got to that one you're talking about you know just the chaos and being listenting a park car in London it's like I was in London again just for a split second it's like I just felt like
I was there um did you write that is it is it was it written as it was as you experienced it this is one of those moments where it's like from different I took things from different like little like right sort of uh flying the war moments of my life yeah talking about children right talking about growing up is what I take from that song to some
degree wanting to find Freedom in dancing and getting and being connected with somebody but life's moving fast yeah you know like it's one of those things sometimes I go to like you know playgrounds I'm like where's the adult playgrounds I I I want to I want to go on the swing as well well let me give let me give you some advice as a parent who's been through
the playground ear and now my our children are like grown up like they're about to move out um at some point pretty soon um just get on there man yeah just get just get on the swings yeah you know go down the slide there's nothing better than going to a playground pack with parents and watching a growing up go down the slide and enjoy it yeah exact exactly so I'm
not going to check the weight restriction on this I'm just there's that amazing seriously gangster slide there's that awesome slide in north London or whatever there's that playground and it's like like this huge metallic long slide that seems it's like four stories high and you have to climb up ahead you know the one I'm talking
about I'm not sure kids like bail the out on that thing all the time I mean you will literally see parents running left and right cuz their kids gone down that thing on their back of their sweatshirt and just G flying off of the out of space yeah cuz most slides are a bit stop and start not this one no not this one this one is like uh it's like the it's like Blake
seven sh get out of there off into out of space um yeah I love that song and I love the whole feeling in it and again it just serves a beautiful purpose of bringing a a lot of sort of Hope to this record and it's not all the way through there's definitely moments where I can see you searching but it's clear to me as I guess what I'm trying to say that
um life as it's changed for you is impossible to ignore and that Looking Through The Eyes of somebody like your daughter can it has to just bring a new sense of optimism and hope into your life even with all the fears of being appearent yeah no there's there's a deep sense of like appreciation and Beauty um that you know I get from becoming a father and and sort of
Shifting some of the sort of self-importance of myself that's what it is yeah you just re prioritize pretty quick and that's something I'm grateful for what have you learned about yourself since you became a dad I've learned a lot of the things that like I lack yeah that'll happen same I went through that I was like I was like oh I'm not as
patient as I thought I was or I'm not I need to work on that and sort of like recognizing um the beautiful thing is like sort the idea of unconditional love but I'm like but it just but it keeps growing you know I mean first it's like oh just like just like trying to figure things out you're in protect mode really yeah exactly yeah and it's something
that constantly you know you have to dig deep with and work on and sort of learn and humble yourself you know and sort of rewire your own upbringing a little bit and you know and sort of take things in and the humility oh yeah that's needed um I think is something that keeps on humbling me oh it will never stop yeah it w never stop because as your kids get
older and they start to sort of they stop repeating what you say and they stop sort of acting like you act and start developing their own identity then you really have to learn to Humble your own opinions and what you have and you have to concede so much more and all the things you know when maturity doesn't really it's supposed to take the other
direction like I know this stuff yeah don't know I don't know yeah I can't control any of it yeah that can be like a hard pill to swallow I think um but it's yeah I'm trying the overall sound and feel of this of this record um do you feel like you've done it you've done that now does it open the door for you to try something what else all
together or I mean where is your creative Spirit now that you've put you've put this out because it's such a beautiful like I said immersive body of work yeah I never know sometimes I'm like oh I want to go even deeper into what I've started and there's another part of me that sometimes wants to like depart as well and you know part of this
record for me is like recognizing the things I'm preoccupied with and my nature innateness and stuff can you elaborate a bit on that yeah I guess like I I gravitate towards particular sorts like chords or like even thematically talking about certain things or you're also a Restless drum programmer which I love yeah I love that you you treat it like it's an emotional
connection to the song not just a rhythmic connection yeah no most definitely and you know I've always I always feel like I'm constantly learning like I never seen myself as like the best or like I'm always like oh man I want to make them um but yeah in terms of like trajectory there's there's like a few directions I feel like I want to
go in but um yeah I recognize that I'm like someone who sort of follows their gut you know and um things can CH be quite fluid in the moment but I do want I do I do see you know I can look at this record and I can see like oh I hit a ceiling I hit a ceiling there there's maybe okay maybe I need to go and figure some stuff out and
and then there's other points it's like don't be so hard on yourself let go it's all right you know just have fun and you know give thanks give thanks that's another thing that's really shows up on this album in a big way I feel this gratitude feels like a really grateful I'm grateful listening to it but I feel like I'm listening to you truly connect
with an Express gratitude through this album yeah definitely I feel I feel like I do sort of like there's a bit of tear in the fabric of like I don't know of something that like there's a bit of cosmic awe sometimes that I'm like you know like a sliding door sliding door moments those little moments where I was like oh okay I see something I'm feeling
something so you acknowledge you are acknowledge and are aware in that moment that something is happening that is intangible that is beyond your comprehension yeah like there's a an energy or you know like this the you know this album is me then and but I'm not that thing feel so it feels like you're just you know you're you're channeling all
these inputs and creating something and you sort of leave it behind and um but it's not NE but I I move on and you know so there's a there's a split so yeah there's an element of like me sort of sort of interrogating the idea of like what channeling is or what you know yeah what's the most surprising moment for you on this album when you listen back
to it and realize that that tear as you described it was right there um the moment when it all came together and you're like I could never I could never has to be something else going on right now I feel like it's probably things like can't go back or like the mixture between like like I've for instance I've always wanted to make jungle music like jungle some jungle
inspired stuff and um shout out Quake base we like together we kind of figured out a Contraption to like like a robotic drummer to sort of help us isn't that just called like a drum machine or a sampler do you mean you got something that algorithmically moves with no it's just these um basically uh these like solar noids that you send midi to and
they sort of um turn it into drums yeah you they just hit anything you put so so this is like a little thing that just pops out and hits a object and makes a sound so you kind of created this uh yeah there's a company called poly and perk who kind of made made these these solenoids uh things so we just put stuff on like snares hats and sort of created
drum beats and and had long jams like around stuff that we sequenced and then we play drums on top of that and so it's a physical Contraption it comes out with things and it hits things in a sort of in a very kind of like frantic way it could hit this yeah exactly yeah that's why am I so surprised it seems like it should have been made but it sounds
rare I mean people have been doing it for like eons as like Pat maffini like midi Orchestra Apex but it was just like a new thing for for us yeah so it was and it was really sort of inspiring yeah because you're off the screen right it's it's it's manifested into into the physical yeah it was so it was beautiful like having something like that in the
room to kind of jam around yeah um it was like the the best metronome you could ever that's AI That's AI That's in a weird way it's kind of like it's the tool yeah yes definitely exactly yeah just like you know sort of exploring new ways of creating um but I think there's times when like things like that happened and then it worked
and then sort of built songs around it and it was like oh wow this this really is working yeah actually oh yeah it's working you obviously just opened yourself up and this is by no means a pun unintended but you expanded your process into something that was less insular and way more open and in doing so you've made an album that I haven't heard like anyone make like this like
it's by the end of it I want to go back and I I know I'll never truly understand everything that went into this record you know it's incredible achievement dude oh thank you man that means a lot um where you go to next what's happening with the touring next year next year I'm I'm I'm going to I'm playing Ali P next year yeah yes you are that's
outrageous yeah which I'm super excited about just one night you could do a few night yeah I mean I guess we'll see but yeah so if United Ali P yeah um and uh yeah I'm I'm sort of organizing at tour for next year and festivals still sort of in the all in the making so we'll see you Cella uh maybe that'd be nice yeah that' be nice that'd be nice to see you out in the
desert man I hope we get to speak again before um you finish playing this album and move on to the next one even if you just come through and say hi um you know I've been looking forward to connecting with you and meeting you properly in person like this appreciate it man I appreciate the support yeah love you thank you man thank you